As it currently sits, Baylor has the top 2025 recruiting class in the Big 12 and No. 18 in the country pic.twitter.com/CJwsPi3gP8
— Will Turboff (@WillTurboff) December 25, 2023
As it currently sits, Baylor has the top 2025 recruiting class in the Big 12 and No. 18 in the country pic.twitter.com/CJwsPi3gP8
— Will Turboff (@WillTurboff) December 25, 2023
blackie said:
So now average matters? We were told here that it didn't matter in 2024, only the actual rating which takes into account the number of signees. I guess the stats chosen can be used to support whatever opinion one wants to have on the quality of a class.
It seems at this point that for 2025 none of it matters because there are so few commitments out of the population of potential recruits at this point to draw any conclusions.
I agree with your first statement. I also think you will find that I have never started a thread on recruiting, high school or otherwise. I have seen too many high ranked recruits never last and seen walk-ons reach All-American status. I just think it amusing that people will switch the argument to satisfy whatever message they want to project. I really don't follow it that closely.Bandito said:blackie said:
So now average matters? We were told here that it didn't matter in 2024, only the actual rating which takes into account the number of signees. I guess the stats chosen can be used to support whatever opinion one wants to have on the quality of a class.
It seems at this point that for 2025 none of it matters because there are so few commitments out of the population of potential recruits at this point to draw any conclusions.
Let's just forget averages and overall ratings. Until this COACH actually shows that he can do something with his recruits all that other stuff doesn't matter. As far as him doing something with his recruits I think it's Captain Obvious that he hasn't shown much. Look I'm just as hopeful as the next guy that the infusion of Spavital and his offense will help, but based on what I've seen the last couple of years and this defense I'm very skeptical.
Bandito said:blackie said:
So now average matters? We were told here that it didn't matter in 2024, only the actual rating which takes into account the number of signees. I guess the stats chosen can be used to support whatever opinion one wants to have on the quality of a class.
It seems at this point that for 2025 none of it matters because there are so few commitments out of the population of potential recruits at this point to draw any conclusions.
Let's just forget averages and overall ratings. Until this COACH actually shows that he can do something with his recruits all that other stuff doesn't matter. As far as him doing something with his recruits I think it's Captain Obvious that he hasn't shown much. Look I'm just as hopeful as the next guy that the infusion of Spavital and his offense will help, but based on what I've seen the last couple of years and this defense I'm very skeptical.
I'm still looking for all the transfers (out) that were heavily predicted on this board. Face it, we have no idea how the mind of an 18 year-old thinks and now, how much money makes a difference.BUGWBBear said:Bandito said:blackie said:
So now average matters? We were told here that it didn't matter in 2024, only the actual rating which takes into account the number of signees. I guess the stats chosen can be used to support whatever opinion one wants to have on the quality of a class.
It seems at this point that for 2025 none of it matters because there are so few commitments out of the population of potential recruits at this point to draw any conclusions.
Let's just forget averages and overall ratings. Until this COACH actually shows that he can do something with his recruits all that other stuff doesn't matter. As far as him doing something with his recruits I think it's Captain Obvious that he hasn't shown much. Look I'm just as hopeful as the next guy that the infusion of Spavital and his offense will help, but based on what I've seen the last couple of years and this defense I'm very skeptical.
Me too. Another 3-8 and watch those commits flee.
blackie said:I'm still looking for all the transfers (out) that were heavily predicted on this board. Face it, we have no idea how the mind of an 18 year-old thinks and now, how much money makes a difference.BUGWBBear said:Bandito said:blackie said:
So now average matters? We were told here that it didn't matter in 2024, only the actual rating which takes into account the number of signees. I guess the stats chosen can be used to support whatever opinion one wants to have on the quality of a class.
It seems at this point that for 2025 none of it matters because there are so few commitments out of the population of potential recruits at this point to draw any conclusions.
Let's just forget averages and overall ratings. Until this COACH actually shows that he can do something with his recruits all that other stuff doesn't matter. As far as him doing something with his recruits I think it's Captain Obvious that he hasn't shown much. Look I'm just as hopeful as the next guy that the infusion of Spavital and his offense will help, but based on what I've seen the last couple of years and this defense I'm very skeptical.
Me too. Another 3-8 and watch those commits flee.
This 100%.blackie said:
So now average matters? We were told here that it didn't matter in 2024, only the actual rating which takes into account the number of signees. I guess the stats chosen can be used to support whatever opinion one wants to have on the quality of a class.
It seems at this point that for 2025 none of it matters because there are so few commitments out of the population of potential recruits at this point to draw any conclusions.
This.....only that it'll be the end of next season.CorsicanaBear said:
2025 recruiting will be out they window. All will be reshuffled after we CDA is fired mid season after. going 1-4, 1-5 or 1-6, whenever the decision is made. I know I'm going out on a limb by assuming we will beat Tarleton State, but that's the only win I see on the schedule.
blackie said:I'm still looking for all the transfers (out) that were heavily predicted on this board. Face it, we have no idea how the mind of an 18 year-old thinks and now, how much money makes a difference.BUGWBBear said:Bandito said:blackie said:
So now average matters? We were told here that it didn't matter in 2024, only the actual rating which takes into account the number of signees. I guess the stats chosen can be used to support whatever opinion one wants to have on the quality of a class.
It seems at this point that for 2025 none of it matters because there are so few commitments out of the population of potential recruits at this point to draw any conclusions.
Let's just forget averages and overall ratings. Until this COACH actually shows that he can do something with his recruits all that other stuff doesn't matter. As far as him doing something with his recruits I think it's Captain Obvious that he hasn't shown much. Look I'm just as hopeful as the next guy that the infusion of Spavital and his offense will help, but based on what I've seen the last couple of years and this defense I'm very skeptical.
Me too. Another 3-8 and watch those commits flee.
I think it's been a solid offseason so far and could be an objectively good one by the end of this portal cycle. But at this point, on-field results are the only thing that matter and the only thing that will get fans off Dave Aranda's back.PartyBear said:blackie said:I'm still looking for all the transfers (out) that were heavily predicted on this board. Face it, we have no idea how the mind of an 18 year-old thinks and now, how much money makes a difference.BUGWBBear said:Bandito said:blackie said:
So now average matters? We were told here that it didn't matter in 2024, only the actual rating which takes into account the number of signees. I guess the stats chosen can be used to support whatever opinion one wants to have on the quality of a class.
It seems at this point that for 2025 none of it matters because there are so few commitments out of the population of potential recruits at this point to draw any conclusions.
Let's just forget averages and overall ratings. Until this COACH actually shows that he can do something with his recruits all that other stuff doesn't matter. As far as him doing something with his recruits I think it's Captain Obvious that he hasn't shown much. Look I'm just as hopeful as the next guy that the infusion of Spavital and his offense will help, but based on what I've seen the last couple of years and this defense I'm very skeptical.
Me too. Another 3-8 and watch those commits flee.
Yes literally everything predicted here that would happen if we kept Aranda, be it mass exodus of players, not finding anyone who will come here to coach for Aranda, not getting anything out of the portal etc have not only not come to pass but the opposite has occurred thus far.
No one is disputing that Aranda has lost the benefit of the doubt. The challenges in this thread (and several others) is that some take the stance that the sky is falling even in the face of objectively positive or neutral news. To that end Party Bear's examples are on point.bear2be2 said:I think it's been a solid offseason so far and could be an objectively good one by the end of this portal cycle. But at this point, on-field results are the only thing that matter and the only thing that will get fans off Dave Aranda's back.PartyBear said:blackie said:I'm still looking for all the transfers (out) that were heavily predicted on this board. Face it, we have no idea how the mind of an 18 year-old thinks and now, how much money makes a difference.BUGWBBear said:Bandito said:blackie said:
So now average matters? We were told here that it didn't matter in 2024, only the actual rating which takes into account the number of signees. I guess the stats chosen can be used to support whatever opinion one wants to have on the quality of a class.
It seems at this point that for 2025 none of it matters because there are so few commitments out of the population of potential recruits at this point to draw any conclusions.
Let's just forget averages and overall ratings. Until this COACH actually shows that he can do something with his recruits all that other stuff doesn't matter. As far as him doing something with his recruits I think it's Captain Obvious that he hasn't shown much. Look I'm just as hopeful as the next guy that the infusion of Spavital and his offense will help, but based on what I've seen the last couple of years and this defense I'm very skeptical.
Me too. Another 3-8 and watch those commits flee.
Yes literally everything predicted here that would happen if we kept Aranda, be it mass exodus of players, not finding anyone who will come here to coach for Aranda, not getting anything out of the portal etc have not only not come to pass but the opposite has occurred thus far.
It is what it is. That's what happens when your coach takes a championship level product to 3-9 in two years and your AD elects to bring that guy back for a fifth season with no competitive justification.
Dave Aranda has lost all benefit of the doubt -- and the goodwill of most fans. He will be judged exclusively on wins and losses going forward. I think that's fair and I think he understands that.
I lose patience with those who feel a need to take a negative view of objectively positive things -- just as I do the opposite. But I also understand those who have given up on Aranda as Baylor's football coach and aren't particularly interested in celebrating secondary and tertiary achievements.
At this point, he wins or he's gone. Keeping players, hiring competent staff, adding some talented transfers for next year and getting off to a good start with our 2025 class are all good things. But they literally mean nothing to the present or future of our program if we don't win next season.
That dynamic makes it difficult for fans to buy in, especially after enduring losing seasons in three of Aranda's four on campus.
I think that's a defense mechanism for people who don't want to be burned by Dave Aranda a second time, which is childish but human nature.Aberzombie1892 said:No one is disputing that Aranda has lost the benefit of the doubt. The challenges in this thread (and several others) is that some take the stance that the sky is falling even in the face of objectively positive or neutral news. To that end Party Bear's examples are on point.bear2be2 said:I think it's been a solid offseason so far and could be an objectively good one by the end of this portal cycle. But at this point, on-field results are the only thing that matter and the only thing that will get fans off Dave Aranda's back.PartyBear said:blackie said:I'm still looking for all the transfers (out) that were heavily predicted on this board. Face it, we have no idea how the mind of an 18 year-old thinks and now, how much money makes a difference.BUGWBBear said:Bandito said:blackie said:
So now average matters? We were told here that it didn't matter in 2024, only the actual rating which takes into account the number of signees. I guess the stats chosen can be used to support whatever opinion one wants to have on the quality of a class.
It seems at this point that for 2025 none of it matters because there are so few commitments out of the population of potential recruits at this point to draw any conclusions.
Let's just forget averages and overall ratings. Until this COACH actually shows that he can do something with his recruits all that other stuff doesn't matter. As far as him doing something with his recruits I think it's Captain Obvious that he hasn't shown much. Look I'm just as hopeful as the next guy that the infusion of Spavital and his offense will help, but based on what I've seen the last couple of years and this defense I'm very skeptical.
Me too. Another 3-8 and watch those commits flee.
Yes literally everything predicted here that would happen if we kept Aranda, be it mass exodus of players, not finding anyone who will come here to coach for Aranda, not getting anything out of the portal etc have not only not come to pass but the opposite has occurred thus far.
It is what it is. That's what happens when your coach takes a championship level product to 3-9 in two years and your AD elects to bring that guy back for a fifth season with no competitive justification.
Dave Aranda has lost all benefit of the doubt -- and the goodwill of most fans. He will be judged exclusively on wins and losses going forward. I think that's fair and I think he understands that.
I lose patience with those who feel a need to take a negative view of objectively positive things -- just as I do the opposite. But I also understand those who have given up on Aranda as Baylor's football coach and aren't particularly interested in celebrating secondary and tertiary achievements.
At this point, he wins or he's gone. Keeping players, hiring competent staff, adding some talented transfers for next year and getting off to a good start with our 2025 class are all good things. But they literally mean nothing to the present or future of our program if we don't win next season.
That dynamic makes it difficult for fans to buy in, especially after enduring losing seasons in three of Aranda's four on campus.
PartyBear said:blackie said:I'm still looking for all the transfers (out) that were heavily predicted on this board. Face it, we have no idea how the mind of an 18 year-old thinks and now, how much money makes a difference.BUGWBBear said:Bandito said:blackie said:
So now average matters? We were told here that it didn't matter in 2024, only the actual rating which takes into account the number of signees. I guess the stats chosen can be used to support whatever opinion one wants to have on the quality of a class.
It seems at this point that for 2025 none of it matters because there are so few commitments out of the population of potential recruits at this point to draw any conclusions.
Let's just forget averages and overall ratings. Until this COACH actually shows that he can do something with his recruits all that other stuff doesn't matter. As far as him doing something with his recruits I think it's Captain Obvious that he hasn't shown much. Look I'm just as hopeful as the next guy that the infusion of Spavital and his offense will help, but based on what I've seen the last couple of years and this defense I'm very skeptical.
Me too. Another 3-8 and watch those commits flee.
Yes literally everything predicted here that would happen if we kept Aranda, be it mass exodus of players, not finding anyone who will come here to coach for Aranda, not getting anything out of the portal etc have not only not come to pass but the opposite has occurred thus far.
Three-star Shadow Creek (Texas) linebacker Anthony Williams (@A2Williams22) will choose between Auburn, Baylor, Notre Dame, Oregon and Texas today at 4:30
— Will Turboff (@WillTurboff) January 1, 2024
Williams is teammates with recent #SicEm commit Ashton Jones
🎥: https://t.co/KOEgV0biUL pic.twitter.com/KhTjovo4nb
boognish_bear said:Three-star Shadow Creek (Texas) linebacker Anthony Williams (@A2Williams22) will choose between Auburn, Baylor, Notre Dame, Oregon and Texas today at 4:30
— Will Turboff (@WillTurboff) January 1, 2024
Williams is teammates with recent #SicEm commit Ashton Jones
🎥: https://t.co/KOEgV0biUL pic.twitter.com/KhTjovo4nb
BOOM! Texas lands a commitment from Pearland (Texas) Shadow Creek three-star linebacker Anthony “Deuce” Williams! @A2Williams22 | @Horns247
— Jordan Scruggs (@JScruggs247) January 1, 2024
Williams is the fourth member of the #AllGas25 recruiting class and discussed the decision with @Horns247
🔗: https://t.co/oaBhlS0RIv pic.twitter.com/gcqNzrAlhM
Southside (AL) 2025 OL Jamin Brown (@JaminBrown71) Commits to Baylor.
— Grayson Grundhoefer (@GrayGrundhoefer) January 7, 2024
The 6-foot-5, 303-pound prospect becomes commit No. 5 in Baylor's 2025 class. #SicEm https://t.co/ZXtTIwdZTW via @sicem365_
Quite the haul for Bears’ new offensive line coach Chris Kapilovic since he was introduced at Baylor last month
— Will Turboff (@WillTurboff) January 7, 2024
- 2025 Jamin Brown
- Ohio transfer Kurt Danneker
- Montana State transfer Omar Aigbedion pic.twitter.com/BYpTkw0dyO
🔒 @BUFootball #SicEm #blessed @CoachDaveAranda @CoachCKap @ahunt90 @Southside_FBall @RanceBrown10 @wesbrown916 @CoachMHolcomb @shankles_turner @CoachL__ @CoachHsbs @UnLockYourGame @TheUCReport @AverageJoesSpo1 @HallTechSports1 @On3sports @ChadSimmons_ @SWiltfong247 pic.twitter.com/NLz13RN1h3
— Jamin Brown (@JaminBrown71) January 7, 2024
We be Jamin!boognish_bear said:Southside (AL) 2025 OL Jamin Brown (@JaminBrown71) Commits to Baylor.
— Grayson Grundhoefer (@GrayGrundhoefer) January 7, 2024
The 6-foot-5, 303-pound prospect becomes commit No. 5 in Baylor's 2025 class. #SicEm https://t.co/ZXtTIwdZTW via @sicem365_
I will be at Baylor on the 28th ! @CoachK_Hall @_PJHall @CoachRHolcomb pic.twitter.com/7ni0t5xYpe
— Agent “ 3 “ ✨ (@DEMETRIUSBRISB2) January 9, 2024
#Baylor is set to host Junior Day on January 28th. The list is already in the double digits.
— Grayson Grundhoefer (@GrayGrundhoefer) January 10, 2024
Baylor's 2025 class is top 20 in the nation currently and might be even higher soon. #SicEm
Follow along on @SicEm365_ (Premium)https://t.co/5Wp34LrExj pic.twitter.com/TOo4xRPct4
That’s fantastic @justin_dungy. Baylor is a great school with a fantastic football program. Now you have to take your time, pray, and figure out the right place for you. https://t.co/DnBJfvrlQZ
— Tony Dungy (@TonyDungy) January 18, 2024
Lancaster LB KB Winston recaps his Junior Day visit, strong relationships with Christian Robinson and Khenon Hall, and more.
— Grayson Grundhoefer (@GrayGrundhoefer) February 1, 2024
“Person over player means a lot, more than what it actually says.” #SicEm
🔗: https://t.co/m7Z2Pr1x53 pic.twitter.com/FD3Kk9AKTg
#Baylor signed two 4⭐️ prospects today for the 2024 class and is currently No. 16 in the nation and No. 1 in the Big 12 for the 2025 recruiting class.
— Grayson Grundhoefer (@GrayGrundhoefer) February 7, 2024
Long way to go but the momentum on the recruiting trail is real for the Bears right now. #SicEm
The #Baylor 2025 recruiting class is now ranked No. 13 in the nation according to 247. #SicEm
— Grayson Grundhoefer (@GrayGrundhoefer) February 14, 2024
Average is what really matters. Rating based off of numbers is ridiculous. Would you rather have a class of 10 5-stars or 25 3-stars?blackie said:
So now average matters? We were told here that it didn't matter in 2024, only the actual rating which takes into account the number of signees. I guess the stats chosen can be used to support whatever opinion one wants to have on the quality of a class.
It seems at this point that for 2025 none of it matters because there are so few commitments out of the population of potential recruits at this point to draw any conclusions.
New #Baylor 2025 RB commit Caden Knighten is a 10.6 100m dash guy at 200-pounds. Had a prolific sophomore season. An explosive player that adds to the Bears No. 13 ranked recruiting class early in the cycle. https://t.co/5Rx2V90RCX pic.twitter.com/1ygu95wqiQ
— Steve Wiltfong (@SWiltfong247) February 14, 2024
LETS GO!! top 15 for recruiting in 25’ #SicEm 🐻🟢@BUFootball @CoachK_Hall pic.twitter.com/RkSpp8Qved
— Caden “CK1” knighten (@cadenknighten) February 17, 2024