But no well-adjusted adult male is afraid to.Method Man said:No sane person wants to walk underneath a freeway to get to where they want to be.No Quarterback said:Krieg said:No Quarterback said:
If Grapevine, Plano, or Highland Park is what you grew up with and what you think the zenith of life is, Waco probably does seem like a dump.
I wouldn't move to any of those places for 5x what I make now unless you replaced all the people that live there as well. That's the problem with DFW and Austin, and it's demonstrated perfectly in your post.
I wasn't trying to be snooty and I agree with the sentiment. I live in a smallish town myself and prefer that atmosphere. just stating the fact that a lot of people that move to Waco to attend Baylor are from wealthy suburbs. Totally different atmosphere in Waco. Case in point, there was a dude on this board complaining a few weeks ago about having to walk underneath the overpass to get to McLane Stadium because it was loud and dangerous.
What is Slowing Waco Development
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THIS. We moved to Waco in '06. Students were told to basically stay away from most of Waco including downtown or Cameron Park as it was insanely unsafe. I mean back then the police were finding one or two bodies a year in CP. The entire town has transformed since then. I get that it may be slower in terms of growth compared to some larger cities but I don't know that I could name a comparable positive transformation over that same length of time. To grow further they would need a larger airport before they could really attract larger industry. That said, while we don't live there anymore, I like Waco the size it is. There is real community there and it's a great place to raise a family.Bexar Pitts said:Guess I should say I think it's light -years ahead of where it was 20 years ago...BigGameBaylorBear said:Bexar Pitts said:Probably posting this on wrong thread, but Waco-Dallas passenger service by rail was booming in 1920...then the depression hit. https://wacohistory.org/items/show/117BEAR 45 said:
Waco is 90 miles from both Austin and Dallas, too close for airline travel and a little too long for driving. If the high speed train ever does get built , Waco will grow faster, Commute possibilities and look at how easy it would be to attend Baylor sporting events . No longer need to book hotels for the entire weekend, with associated costs.
Seeing them old pics of downtown is heart breaking. Used to be so much life in that city
I also would prefer to live in a smaller city. I live in Mount Pleasant, SC and the Charleston metro area is around 800k. Its the perfect size and I hope it doesnt grow too much bigger. If I ever come back to Texas i may consider Waco but I think I may go to Granbury or Cleburne.
Redbrickbear said:In 1950 Waco was already not in the top 10 of Texas cities in terms of population.Aliceinbubbleland said:
At one time Galveston and then Waco were the largest cities in Texas. You can go back in history and see that the "leaders" in Waco did everything they could to make sure commerce went elsewhere. It has always been too conservative and let progressive cities expand around the area.
[1950 census: Houston, 596,1634 .2Dallas, 434,4624 .3San Antonio, 408,4424 .4Fort Worth, 278,7784 .5Austin132,459 .6El Paso, 130,4853 .7Corpus Christi108,287 .8Beaumont 94,014]
Historically Waco is historically no more conservative than Abilene, Amarillo, Beaumont, Tyler, Midland, Lubbock, etc.
There might be many reasons Waco did not grow fast compared to Dallas-Austin-Houston...but it was not just because it was somehow full of reactionary right-wingers.
Yep, and not being "progressive enough" is one of the stupidest takes ever on Waco not becoming Austin or DFW like.
Bexar Pitts said:Guess I should say I think it's light -years ahead of where it was 20 years ago...BigGameBaylorBear said:Bexar Pitts said:Probably posting this on wrong thread, but Waco-Dallas passenger service by rail was booming in 1920...then the depression hit. https://wacohistory.org/items/show/117BEAR 45 said:
Waco is 90 miles from both Austin and Dallas, too close for airline travel and a little too long for driving. If the high speed train ever does get built , Waco will grow faster, Commute possibilities and look at how easy it would be to attend Baylor sporting events . No longer need to book hotels for the entire weekend, with associated costs.
Seeing them old pics of downtown is heart breaking. Used to be so much life in that city
Or forty years ago
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Waco is statistically one of the oldest and poorest metros in the area, and it is slower growing than both the Temple-Killeen and Bryan-College Station metros. And the percentages aren't even close.
I think it's partly because Waco is older and poorer and more blue collar. But most of it is leadership.
I grew up in Waco, and I will tell you that McLennan County has a small, elite, self-serving class that has managed the county for decades.
They are well-meaning, but much of our growth has been stunted by focusing our energy on maintaining that upper crust rather than by expanding our community.
I think 50 years down the line, Waco will be the third or forth largest city in Central Texas, and develop more into an old college town.
Perhaps some steady growth might loosen some of the mismanagement by increasing our numbers, but we have already fallen behind Temple-Killeen and B/CS in both population and market strength.
I think it's partly because Waco is older and poorer and more blue collar. But most of it is leadership.
I grew up in Waco, and I will tell you that McLennan County has a small, elite, self-serving class that has managed the county for decades.
They are well-meaning, but much of our growth has been stunted by focusing our energy on maintaining that upper crust rather than by expanding our community.
I think 50 years down the line, Waco will be the third or forth largest city in Central Texas, and develop more into an old college town.
Perhaps some steady growth might loosen some of the mismanagement by increasing our numbers, but we have already fallen behind Temple-Killeen and B/CS in both population and market strength.
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I grew up in Waco, and I will tell you that McLennan County has a small, elite, self-serving class that has managed the county for decades.
Exactly.
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As a recently former resident of Bell County, Waco is a lot better in the terms of entertainment and shopping.
I do have to say I went to Downtown Bryan about a month ago with a colleague. I was impressed, but you would have to live surrounded by Aggies.
I do have to say I went to Downtown Bryan about a month ago with a colleague. I was impressed, but you would have to live surrounded by Aggies.
Can't argue with that..I will say I believe we're making progress as younger generations have taken over managing assets of the "inner circle" of wealth in the Waco area..Again, I think our location is simply a huge plus to "outside" business relocating here.. Edit: this thread should probably move off football board..TIA to someone that could do it...Aliceinbubbleland said:Quote:
I grew up in Waco, and I will tell you that McLennan County has a small, elite, self-serving class that has managed the county for decades.
Exactly.
Aliceinbubbleland said:Quote:
I grew up in Waco, and I will tell you that McLennan County has a small, elite, self-serving class that has managed the county for decades.
Exactly.
I grew up in the 70's in Waco and this absolutely correct. Everyone knew development in Waco was controlled by 6 elite families that controlled the city council and economic development. They started to lose their stranglehold when M&M Mars and Levi Straus came to town and started a commercial growth Waco had never experienced. Imperial Dr grew swiftly and, along with it, Hewitt. I remember a major shift in local attitudes when Waco swung and missed at landing the major Walmart distribution center (which ended up in New Braunfels).
No direct flights to anywhere other than Dallas. Thats a problem for tech companies or any other businesses that need access to reliable air transportation.
In addition, Waco has similar per capita crime rates as Dallas, Houston, Austin, SA but with none of the benefit of living in a "real city"
Baylor casts a long shadow over the broader Waco development as it makes it seem that Waco is an unattractive place to live for anyone who is not a conservative or Baptist.
In addition, Waco has similar per capita crime rates as Dallas, Houston, Austin, SA but with none of the benefit of living in a "real city"
Baylor casts a long shadow over the broader Waco development as it makes it seem that Waco is an unattractive place to live for anyone who is not a conservative or Baptist.
The past 6 replies have all hit the nail on the head! Yall said it better than I could
There's really only one reason why cities decline - the loss of, or lack of gainful employment.Redbrickbear said:Wacoraisedbear said:Redbrickbear said:In 1950 Waco was already not in the top 10 of Texas cities in terms of population.Aliceinbubbleland said:
At one time Galveston and then Waco were the largest cities in Texas. You can go back in history and see that the "leaders" in Waco did everything they could to make sure commerce went elsewhere. It has always been too conservative and let progressive cities expand around the area.
[1950 census: Houston, 596,1634 .2Dallas, 434,4624 .3San Antonio, 408,4424 .4Fort Worth, 278,7784 .5Austin132,4596El Paso, 130,4853 .7Corpus Christi108,287]
Historically Waco is no more conservative than Abilene, Amarillo, Beaumont, Tyler, Midland, Lubbock, etc.
There might be reasons Waco did not grow fast compared to Dallas-Austin-Houston...but it was not just because it was somehow full of reactionary right-wingers.
Wacos population was 84,000 in 1950 just outside the top 10 and after the tornado our population growth was stagnant for decades we barely eclipsed 100,000 in 2000 I believe. Someone else posted on this thread that the tornado was overblown and is an excuse for why we stopped growing but I think it had a huge factor im sure some older posters on here can add to other reasons as to why. I am only 26 yrs old so I can only go off of what I read and what is told to me by grandparent etc
Lots of reasons why some Texas cities grow and some decline...I doubt political ideology has that much to do with it.
Lubbock boomed because it's close enough to the oil and gas fields to grow, but diversified enough to not crater when oil and gas takes a dump. Obviously ttu is a big employer there. It's a huge school, much bigger than Baylor and pushes more money into their economy.
There is no one reason but rather a combination of reasons. Many have been said here already.
1. Tornado- it did have an impact as it killed many downtown businesses and sort of sped up the growth in other areas like along Valley Mills dr and going west.
2. Closing of the air force base
3. Waco leaders for a long time didn't want growth or companies that would come in and upset their families long standing hold on power in Waco.
4. Airport/flights. Waco regional never should have been built. It should be a building at TSTC for easier access, longer runway /bigger planes. Which could mean more use and more flights.
5. Lack of white collar jobs or companies moving in with those jobs. It gets the occasional factory or warehouse type thing like the new diaper factory, Amazon center, etc. but that doesn't bring jobs that push growth.
6. The growth it does get is sometimes outside Waco city limits which doesn't help Waco change its perception (poor, bad areas, schools, etc.) Like all the growth along 84 in woodway. Or even space x in mcgregor
With that said it is in a great spot for growth. I35 and several major highways. Major railroads come through town.
To those that say it stinks… Waco itself has bad areas but the suburbs are great. But that is true for any major city. But it is by no means what some have said here in terms of being bad. You can get to anywhere in town in 20 minutes. Even coming from the suburbs it doesn't take that long to get to places.
Downtown has grown so much over the last 20+ years. I remember when it was crickets and everything it that strip and that was it for bars/restaurants. But even by 2000 there were a few others opening up in downtown. By 2010 there were a bunch more. And now downtown is totally unrecognizable with all the construction and things that have opened. But there have always been things to do. You just had to find them and get out of the bubble or be willing to drive to them instead of them all being in one place like some cities have.
Waco will grow but until a major corporation builds its white collar office, research facility, etc. that brings more than a handful of jobs to help it grow the right way. That means Waco/mclennan county leaders need to throw gold carpet out the next time a company wants to relocate from California, New York or other business unfriendly state.
1. Tornado- it did have an impact as it killed many downtown businesses and sort of sped up the growth in other areas like along Valley Mills dr and going west.
2. Closing of the air force base
3. Waco leaders for a long time didn't want growth or companies that would come in and upset their families long standing hold on power in Waco.
4. Airport/flights. Waco regional never should have been built. It should be a building at TSTC for easier access, longer runway /bigger planes. Which could mean more use and more flights.
5. Lack of white collar jobs or companies moving in with those jobs. It gets the occasional factory or warehouse type thing like the new diaper factory, Amazon center, etc. but that doesn't bring jobs that push growth.
6. The growth it does get is sometimes outside Waco city limits which doesn't help Waco change its perception (poor, bad areas, schools, etc.) Like all the growth along 84 in woodway. Or even space x in mcgregor
With that said it is in a great spot for growth. I35 and several major highways. Major railroads come through town.
To those that say it stinks… Waco itself has bad areas but the suburbs are great. But that is true for any major city. But it is by no means what some have said here in terms of being bad. You can get to anywhere in town in 20 minutes. Even coming from the suburbs it doesn't take that long to get to places.
Downtown has grown so much over the last 20+ years. I remember when it was crickets and everything it that strip and that was it for bars/restaurants. But even by 2000 there were a few others opening up in downtown. By 2010 there were a bunch more. And now downtown is totally unrecognizable with all the construction and things that have opened. But there have always been things to do. You just had to find them and get out of the bubble or be willing to drive to them instead of them all being in one place like some cities have.
Waco will grow but until a major corporation builds its white collar office, research facility, etc. that brings more than a handful of jobs to help it grow the right way. That means Waco/mclennan county leaders need to throw gold carpet out the next time a company wants to relocate from California, New York or other business unfriendly state.
bear2be2 said:But no well-adjusted adult male is afraid to.Method Man said:No sane person wants to walk underneath a freeway to get to where they want to be.No Quarterback said:Krieg said:No Quarterback said:
If Grapevine, Plano, or Highland Park is what you grew up with and what you think the zenith of life is, Waco probably does seem like a dump.
I wouldn't move to any of those places for 5x what I make now unless you replaced all the people that live there as well. That's the problem with DFW and Austin, and it's demonstrated perfectly in your post.
I wasn't trying to be snooty and I agree with the sentiment. I live in a smallish town myself and prefer that atmosphere. just stating the fact that a lot of people that move to Waco to attend Baylor are from wealthy suburbs. Totally different atmosphere in Waco. Case in point, there was a dude on this board complaining a few weeks ago about having to walk underneath the overpass to get to McLane Stadium because it was loud and dangerous.
Exactly. And at least now both the 5th/4th street and university parks overpasses have sidewalks under them.
It was more dangerous before when there wasn't really a good place to walk.
I feel point #3 is really the biggest reason Waco growth was limited. While retaining their power/control was important, it was equally important to their business to keep the Waco job market mostly comprised of low paying jobs.
BEAR 45 said:
If the high speed train ever does get built , Waco will grow faster,
No high speed trains of any length across private lands will be built in the US....ever....as long as property rights in the US stay as strong, and there is a court system.
Yup. They didn't care about growth of the city, better local economy, better paying jobs, etc. they just cared about their local business/franchise being the top dog/sole business in town so they could get money, stay in the power circle and "run" things- whether it was in actual positions of power or from behind the scenes.kbrun said:
I feel point #3 is really the biggest reason Waco growth was limited. While retaining their power/control was important, it was equally important to their business to keep the Waco job market mostly comprised of low paying jobs.
Agreed.Chamberman said:BEAR 45 said:
If the high speed train ever does get built , Waco will grow faster,
No high speed trains of any length across private lands will be built in the US....ever....as long as property rights in the US stay as strong, and there is a court system.
Not to mention any time it starts to get talked about it turns into a huge mess as everywhere wants a stop and it isn't just a simple point A to B train but turns into A to B with stops at C, D, E and F along the way.
Like talk of a high speed train from San Antonio to Dallas- turns into a what about Austin, Waco, Fort Cavazos (Hood)/Killeen, and Fort Worth. Which then turns into well it won't actually stop in Waco it will stop in McGregor which defeats the purpose as now rental car/bus service is needed to get to the actual city.
And then of course the fact that they can never seem to build rail in the US in a straight line (and never have since it started) between two points.
Chamberman said:BEAR 45 said:
If the high speed train ever does get built , Waco will grow faster,
No high speed trains of any length across private lands will be built in the US....ever....as long as property rights in the US stay as strong, and there is a court system.
Why would this be different from building the interstate system and all the expansions since?
You may be right about the first part, which is why I used the word "if". On the second part, you have apparently never dealt with TXDOT on right of way issues , they can and will take whatever land they needChamberman said:BEAR 45 said:
If the high speed train ever does get built , Waco will grow faster,
No high speed trains of any length across private lands will be built in the US....ever....as long as property rights in the US stay as strong, and there is a court system.
I don't think anyone said they were afraid. I myself hate walking under freeways and I'm not afraid to do it.bear2be2 said:But no well-adjusted adult male is afraid to.Method Man said:No sane person wants to walk underneath a freeway to get to where they want to be.No Quarterback said:Krieg said:No Quarterback said:
If Grapevine, Plano, or Highland Park is what you grew up with and what you think the zenith of life is, Waco probably does seem like a dump.
I wouldn't move to any of those places for 5x what I make now unless you replaced all the people that live there as well. That's the problem with DFW and Austin, and it's demonstrated perfectly in your post.
I wasn't trying to be snooty and I agree with the sentiment. I live in a smallish town myself and prefer that atmosphere. just stating the fact that a lot of people that move to Waco to attend Baylor are from wealthy suburbs. Totally different atmosphere in Waco. Case in point, there was a dude on this board complaining a few weeks ago about having to walk underneath the overpass to get to McLane Stadium because it was loud and dangerous.
As method man said, no sane person wants to walk underneath a freeway to get to where they are going.
That's because they are too lazy to put in any work so they aren't complacent with low wage jobs & thus now can't afford higher taxes which directly result in a better place to live.Wacoraisedbear said:
Also you'd be surprised at how many wacoans hate how much we have grown over the years they hate chip and jo and blame them for higher taxes they also blame Baylor for a lot as well which I don't get. You'd think for how small waco is Baylor would get get huge support from locals but a lot of them don't even know when games are etc.
I grew up in Waco & my mom is still there. I gladly live in Keller & would rather spend the gas money to travel to so many games in Waco that I do than live there. There is simply still very little to do there. Waco leadership is to blame for decades of not attracting developers to the cheap ass land & thus allowing Waco to stay down.
Until Waco has an REI, lululemon, & other higher end shopping plus many more better restaurants & something to do besides jr top golf or go watch a movie, it will still be hard to see any reason to move there. It's still a city with a poverty level median income & the entire town needs to be overhauled starting from the top. No more leaders who are complacent and part of the same good ol boys club. Bring in people who have experience outside of Waco & havr true vision.
& for people mad about taxes going up, u want roads with pot holes or nice infrastructure? & I say that as someone who thinks taxation is theft.
There's just still little to do in Waco for fun & that needs to change. Plus build a bar strip near campus & be a real college town
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T-REX said:That's because they are too lazy to put in any work so they aren't complacent with low wage jobs & thus now can't afford higher taxes which directly result in a better place to live.Wacoraisedbear said:
Also you'd be surprised at how many wacoans hate how much we have grown over the years they hate chip and jo and blame them for higher taxes they also blame Baylor for a lot as well which I don't get. You'd think for how small waco is Baylor would get get huge support from locals but a lot of them don't even know when games are etc.
I grew up in Waco & my mom is still there. I gladly live in Keller & would rather spend the gas money to travel to so many games in Waco that I do than live there. There is simply still very little to do there. Waco leadership is to blame for decades of not attracting developers to the cheap ass land & thus allowing Waco to stay down.
Until Waco has an REI, lululemon, & other higher end shopping plus many more better restaurants & something to do besides jr top golf or go watch a movie, it will still be hard to see any reason to move there. It's still a city with a poverty level median income & the entire town needs to be overhauled starting from the top. No more leaders who are complacent and part of the same good ol boys club. Bring in people who have experience outside of Waco & havr true vision.
& for people mad about taxes going up, u want roads with pot holes or nice infrastructure? & I say that as someone who thinks taxation is theft.
There's just still little to do in Waco for fun & that needs to change. Plus build a bar strip near campus & be a real college town
For many years, most of Waco was controlled by a few wealthy families (Lacy et al).
Don't take this as fact but as what I've heard repeatedly and it has never been refuted.
Ross Perot Jr had an idea to open an industrial-based, international airport. He came to Waco to checkout the facilities at TSTI airport, as it was called then. The airport had two runways large enough and thick enough to handle anything flown. It had a nearby rail spur and it had I35 nearby. The story is that some of the old Waco money folks were less than hospitable and had few if any flattering things to say about Waco. Perot Jr took his venture north of Ft Worth and built Alliance from the ground up.
If Waco had all those aviation jobs, the wages paid to turkey processors would have had to go way up.
How much of that story is true I don't know. But it certainly sounds plausible.
LIB,MR BEARS said:T-REX said:That's because they are too lazy to put in any work so they aren't complacent with low wage jobs & thus now can't afford higher taxes which directly result in a better place to live.Wacoraisedbear said:
Also you'd be surprised at how many wacoans hate how much we have grown over the years they hate chip and jo and blame them for higher taxes they also blame Baylor for a lot as well which I don't get. You'd think for how small waco is Baylor would get get huge support from locals but a lot of them don't even know when games are etc.
I grew up in Waco & my mom is still there. I gladly live in Keller & would rather spend the gas money to travel to so many games in Waco that I do than live there. There is simply still very little to do there. Waco leadership is to blame for decades of not attracting developers to the cheap ass land & thus allowing Waco to stay down.
Until Waco has an REI, lululemon, & other higher end shopping plus many more better restaurants & something to do besides jr top golf or go watch a movie, it will still be hard to see any reason to move there. It's still a city with a poverty level median income & the entire town needs to be overhauled starting from the top. No more leaders who are complacent and part of the same good ol boys club. Bring in people who have experience outside of Waco & havr true vision.
& for people mad about taxes going up, u want roads with pot holes or nice infrastructure? & I say that as someone who thinks taxation is theft.
There's just still little to do in Waco for fun & that needs to change. Plus build a bar strip near campus & be a real college town
For many years, most of Waco was controlled by a few wealthy families (Lacy et al).
Don't take this as fact but as what I've heard repeatedly and it has never been refuted.
Ross Perot Jr had an idea to open an industrial-based, international airport. He came to Waco to checkout the facilities at TSTI airport, as it was called then. The airport had two runways large enough and thick enough to handle anything flown. It had a nearby rail spur and it had I35 nearby. The story is that some of the old Waco money folks were less than hospitable and had few if any flattering things to say about Waco. Perot Jr took his venture north of Ft Worth and built Alliance from the ground up.
If Waco had all those aviation jobs, the wages paid to turkey processors would have had to go way up.
How much of that story is true I don't know. But it certainly sounds plausible.
Ok, I'll refute it.
I worked for Hillwood at the time Alliance Airport was approved and construction started. Ross Sr had accumulated the land for Alliance, the speedway, the highway 170 corridor, and several other large tracts in northern Tarrant and southern Denton counties in the late 70s and early 80s, when Ross Jr was still in college and then the USAF. Their intent was always to develop that quadrant of the Metroplex, and to build an inland Freeport in the DFW area.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ross Jr came down and investigated James Connally at some point to get some ideas on what an air/rail/interstate hub would or could look like. If he did, it may have been before I started because I never heard any mention of such an idea from Ross Jr or anyone else who worked on the project, and everyone there knew my background and connection to Waco.
I thought Waco was a poor somewhat ramshackle city when I started at Baylor; by the time I left I thought that was still true, but I appreciated the city a lot more. One can acknowledge the poverty in Waco and still love the area.Bexar Pitts said:As Bro. Dave Gardner once said.." If Gratitude is riches and complaint is poverty, then the worst I ever had was wonderful ! " I think Waco, as goes life, is what you make of it..Golden Helmet said:
Waco is a dump.
Without Baylor it's a wasteland.
Having said that, Waco has made significant improvements in its appearance since I graduated.
I remember crossing over into Arkansas in the Texarkana area around 6 - 7 years ago to go on a kayaking trip. As soon we got over the state line, it looked like I had crossed the border into a 3rd world country compared to Texas.Redbrickbear said:For someone who just drove through Arkansas, Missouri, and Kentucky recently....Waco simply has no problems compared to middle America.Killing Floor said:
Meth, industrial decay and lack of work force development and most of all the internet has helped people see the whole street and wise up to Chip and Jo updating a home between 2 obscured crack houses.
Driving through parts of the modern USA looks like we lost a major war.
Texas is shocking rich looking in comparison.
BEAR 45 said:
Waco is 90 miles from both Austin and Dallas, too close for airline travel and a little too long for driving. If the high speed train ever does get built , Waco will grow faster, Commute possibilities and look at how easy it would be to attend Baylor sporting events . No longer need to book hotels for the entire weekend, with associated costs.
Interesting idea but I don't think Texas will ever go for high speed rail in any significant way. It's too expensive & often is a boondoggle. Look at California's train to nowhere.
For high speed rail to work in Texas it would need multiple lines so that there could be multiple trains.historian said:BEAR 45 said:
Waco is 90 miles from both Austin and Dallas, too close for airline travel and a little too long for driving. If the high speed train ever does get built , Waco will grow faster, Commute possibilities and look at how easy it would be to attend Baylor sporting events . No longer need to book hotels for the entire weekend, with associated costs.
Interesting idea but I don't think Texas will ever go for high speed rail in any significant way. It's too expensive & often is a boondoggle. Look at California's train to nowhere.
There would have to be a line for Dallas to Houston with no stops. Dallas to Austin no stops. Dallas to Waco. Dallas to San Antonio. Etc.
Because once you start adding stops for a DFW to SA high speed train in Waco, Austin, Possibly Killeen/Fort Hood(Cavazos) then it would no longer be a time saver and would turn into the Waco airport or Killeen airport where it is sparingly used and doesn't really save any time on just driving to DFW or Austin.
Not exactly. I am from the northeast where Trains are quite common.
When you take a train from Philly to New York there will be multiple stops in smaller cities.
The train is at the station for about 5-10 minutes before it leaves again. There's no TSA or anything, and they check your ticket once the train is en route to its next stop
A 3 hour drive from my home state of Delaware to NYC turns into an hour and a half on train
When you take a train from Philly to New York there will be multiple stops in smaller cities.
The train is at the station for about 5-10 minutes before it leaves again. There's no TSA or anything, and they check your ticket once the train is en route to its next stop
A 3 hour drive from my home state of Delaware to NYC turns into an hour and a half on train
And does that Philly to NY train trip with multiple stops end up being significantly faster than driving?BigGameBaylorBear said:
Not exactly. I am from the northeast where Trains are quite common.
When you take a train from Philly to New York there will be multiple stops in smaller cities.
The train is at the station for about 5-10 minutes before it leaves again. There's no TSA or anything, and they check your ticket once the train is en route to its next stop
A 3 hour drive from my home state of Delaware to NYC turns into an hour and a half on train
If the answer is not a YES then it won't work in TX. Doesn't matter how it works in a smaller area where trains work in a distance that is not much further than Waco to DFW.
You also have to consider the transportation after arriving.
Texas isn't exactly known for great public transportation. If I get to Houston in 2 hours and have no transportation, I haven't helped myself.
Texas isn't exactly known for great public transportation. If I get to Houston in 2 hours and have no transportation, I haven't helped myself.
cowboycwr said:And does that Philly to NY train trip with multiple stops end up being significantly faster than driving?BigGameBaylorBear said:
Not exactly. I am from the northeast where Trains are quite common.
When you take a train from Philly to New York there will be multiple stops in smaller cities.
The train is at the station for about 5-10 minutes before it leaves again. There's no TSA or anything, and they check your ticket once the train is en route to its next stop
A 3 hour drive from my home state of Delaware to NYC turns into an hour and a half on train
If the answer is not a YES then it won't work in TX. Doesn't matter how it works in a smaller area where trains work in a distance that is not much further than Waco to DFW.
Yes. That's why I brought it up.
LIB,MR BEARS said:
You also have to consider the transportation after arriving.
Texas isn't exactly known for great public transportation. If I get to Houston in 2 hours and have no transportation, I haven't helped myself.
Yea....as much as it might be great for Texas (or the USA) to have the public transit of a place like Japan or Germany....it just does not.
We took a different path after Ford came up with the model T.
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