REPORT: Ohio State Buckeyes Spent $13 Million And Counting In NIL Money In Attempt To Field Elite Roster - Gridiron Heroics 🧐 https://t.co/DGcjTfBIch

— Lane Kiffin (@Lane_Kiffin) January 21, 2024

How much has Lane spent? Pot meet kettle.

What's the salary cap?

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What's the salary cap?

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How much have you got?

Curious to know if there are any recent articles questioning how state (tax payers) funded schools are able to do this....

BluesBear said:

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Curious to know if there are any recent articles questioning how state (tax payers) funded schools are able to do this....

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It is not the schools doing it.....at least it not suppose to be. It is the boosters and the collectives, not the school itself. Of course the school may be losing donations because of it and therefore is not getting money these people might have donated to the school itself, which means that taxpayers may have to make up for lost donations to the university.

This is why I just don't see the current model of NIL lasting.

That is too much money for these rich boosters to be spending and not getting any returns on. No ads, no endorsements, etc. and no championships. Eventually, they will stop giving the money away to unproven hs students coming in and only give it to the stars and only with strings attached so they get some sort of return.

Wait till these students get their tax bills...

Chump change for a good roster.

Ryan Day said 13-14 milly would be the magic number.
They just got a few really good Bama players and a few other SEC players.

I understand we are not trying to compete with teams at this level… But curious what our total NIL number is.

There comes a point when we are no longer cheering for a school but for the colors of the laundry that the players are wearing.

NEWS: Former Buckeyes QB CJ Stroud has donated between $50,000 and $100,000 to Ohio State's collective "THE Foundation"🌰

He is the first former player to partner with the organization. https://t.co/mHGLCgkHIz pic.twitter.com/m2eD07Cjm6

— On3 (@On3sports) January 22, 2024

UT spent $13.5m (between football and basketball) and got to the CFP. So, was it worth it if you were the ones throwing down the money. You'd have to think Oregon, Ohio State and at least one other have that matched.

https://www.kxan.com/tracking-name-image-likeness/longhorns-earned-15-5m-in-nil-deals-so-far-new-information-now-limited-by-texas-law/

I'm not rich by any standards that can donate this type of money, but I am also not poor and have a comfortable retirement and feel good that I am in a position to be able to provide charitable donations. But for the life of me, if I had the type of money to toss around like this, I would be embarrassed and disappointed in myself to be putting it into the hands of 18-19 year-olds for playing a game that really benefits society how or even me personally when that money could do so much good in the world if directed to charitable causes. Games that really mean in the great scheme of life nothing.

There is not even anything guaranteed that the player ever plays another game or is not the next bust that rides the bench. Are these people just trying to outdo their peers all based on the results of a Saturday college game? We all rail about the government waste of our tax dollars. I think this NIL baloney is worse because an individual here has all the control of how his/her money is spent. And to direct it in this fashion when it could be directed to scholarships, food pantries, homeless shelters, etc. is just a slap in the face to everyone who volunteers time and sacrifices their own situations to try to help others and make the world a better place for those that have been hit with life's worst. I guess we are all suckers and losers for wasting our time and money on such endeavors when we could be throwing into an NIL collective.

It is hard to imagine the mindset of people that are in position to make these payments if they sit down and think about what and why they are doing it. Fortunes (that is what they are to the common man) put down on a horse where the odds are a 1000-1 against it makes more sense. We used to play games for fun and enjoyment and if we couldn't play, enjoy watching others that could. Now money has once again ruined a good thing.

In ten years we will look back at this current model of average fans donating their hard-earned money to NIL collectives to fund a college football roster while universities, coaches, ADs, commissioners and tv networks make millions (sometimes billions) as absolutely crazy

— Adam Breneman (@AdamBreneman81) January 22, 2024

boognish_bear said:

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In ten years we will look back at this current model of average fans donating their hard-earned money to NIL collectives to fund a college football roster while universities, coaches, ADs, commissioners and tv networks make millions (sometimes billions) as absolutely crazy

— Adam Breneman (@AdamBreneman81) January 22, 2024

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Yep, totally insane

Agree 100% blackie. I love sports in general, and Baylor sports in particular, but I agree the NIL world is close to obscene. Between the club world of youth sports and the out of control college world now, I see a lot is just not right these days in my view.

I am not saying college football coaches making $10-15million a year and athletes(indentured servants for the most part) getting zero is right either. That made my skin crawl, but the new world is also close to insane.

I pray some sanity and order and common sense will emerge, but I am skeptical.

Breneman nailed it. Totally absurd and insane.

I don't know why we need to keep having this conversation about this being insane. We know it's insane. Everyone knows it's insane. There is currently nothing to be done about it. It is what it is, until it isn't. End of story, end of discussion. Yes, next season Alabama, Texas, Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia, Florida State, Miami, Texas A&M, Michigan, USC, Ole Miss, Auburn, Nebraska, and Florida will spend more money than [insert other school here]. Only one of them will win the national championship. It will be insane. This is not news.

Man "indentured servants" is a stretch. I get that they were not directly profiting off playing before NIL, but they had a platform to play a sport and showcase skills for the pros. And shocking, some actually used their education to further their life outside of sports. Not sure "servant" fits that narrative, but I guess we all look at things differently.

guadalupeoso said:

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I don't know why we need to keep having this conversation about this being insane. We know it's insane. Everyone knows it's insane. There is currently nothing to be done about it. It is what it is, until it isn't. End of story, end of discussion. Yes, next season Alabama, Texas, Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia, Florida State, Miami, Texas A&M, Michigan, USC, Ole Miss, Auburn, Nebraska, and Florida will spend more money than [insert other school here]. Only one of them will win the national championship. It will be insane. This is not news.

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This, but add that only 13 teams have won a national title since BCS began, and there is no indication that, despite NIL, any other team will be remotely close to changing that list next season.

boognish_bear said:

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I understand we are not trying to compete with teams at this level… But curious what our total NIL number is.

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Our NIL number gets you a 3-9 record but only if Tech turns the ball over 6 times in our game.

When NIL very first got going this is how I pictured athletes would be getting money…from businesses wanting to use their name, image, likeness. I did not realize it would morph into fans funding collectives.

“That is how you make an NIL ad.”

After transferring to Penn State, Julian Fleming is ready to help the Nittany Lions' new-look offense. The goal is to “crush the competition” – which is also the theme of his new NIL commercial.

Story: https://t.co/ACAp4Gvc9g pic.twitter.com/nLudbCGTSl

— On3 NIL (@On3NIL) January 24, 2024

boognish_bear said:

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When NIL very first got going this is how I pictured athletes would be getting money…from businesses wanting to use their name, image, likeness. I did not realize it would morph into fans funding collectives.

“That is how you make an NIL ad.”

After transferring to Penn State, Julian Fleming is ready to help the Nittany Lions' new-look offense. The goal is to “crush the competition” – which is also the theme of his new NIL commercial.

Story: https://t.co/ACAp4Gvc9g pic.twitter.com/nLudbCGTSl

— On3 NIL (@On3NIL) January 24, 2024

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This is what NIL literally is meant to be. But that's not what it has become and it is entirely the NCAA's fault. People have been trying to get the NCAA to give the athletes some revenue share or allow the athletes to profit in some way from their playing for the last 30 years. The NCAA has balked over and over again and held steadfast to the notion of "amateurism" and refused to budge even a little and provide the players any sort of benefit. Over 30 years, they trended toward a court battle that they could not win and all signs pointed towards antitrust laws as being their eventual downfall. It became almost self-evident to everyone but the NCAA over the last 10-15 years as case law developed.

If the NCAA would have had even a shred of self-awareness, they would have instituted some kind of rules and regulations that would allow players to receive some kind of benefit while maintaining (as best as possible) the integrity of the sport. They could have done this and stayed out of the court room and most players would have been satisfied. Instead they remained a tone-deaf, billion dollar entity and got egg on their face in court. Now, they are essentially toothless and the courts have basically told them that anything they do to prevent players from being paid is unenforceable. And everyone knows it. If they had just compromised a little, they would not have ended up at this place. That's why I counsel my clients to never sue or stay in a legal battle based on the "principle of the thing" as once you put it in a court's hands, you can never be certain where it could go.

NIL is supposed to be players being paid based on their value and the use of their name, image, or likeness by others to profit. NIL is not supposed to be players being paid for simply being on the team. But there's nothing anyone can really do to stop that from happening and it's too late for the NCAA to try and regulate it. Outside of congressional action or Divine Providence, this is the hand we are stuck with.

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Man "indentured servants" is a stretch. I get that they were not directly profiting off playing before NIL, but they had a platform to play a sport and showcase skills for the pros. And shocking, some actually used their education to further their life outside of sports. Not sure "servant" fits that narrative, but I guess we all look at things differently.

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I agree it is a stretch.

They got a free education which even at lower level academic schools was still huge and worth thousands, really tens of thousands (or for some schools over a hundred thousand) dollars. Free room, free meal plan, free books, free tutoring, free clothes and so many other things the average college student, even a huge academic scholarship doesn't get.

If we are going the direction of NIL and players just getting paid then we should start doing away with scholarships for anyone getting NIL money or over a certain amount.

Hopefully over time the NCAA, state governments and even just the people giving NIL money will force it to become a payment for doing advertisements, appearances, etc. when the rich donors start to see the tax write off isn't enough and there is no return on their money for these players getting money to ride the bench, transfer, or even for the ones that are stars.

Maybe I exaggerated a little bit on the servant part, but I have a friend whose daughter was a scholarship VOLLEYBALL player at a D 2(!) school. She told me her daughter's day was scripted and controlled by the coach, and everything had to revolve around the sport. I believe most scholarship athletes-whose performance controls if their coach keeps his or her job-are very much under a lot of pressure and yes "control" of the person who has the power over their scholarship. In most cases I do not think it is a positive thing.

At least three Longhorns inked an NIL deal with Vanguard Volkswagen today.

• WR Matthew Golden
• WR Ryan Wingo
• EDGE Colin Simmons pic.twitter.com/b9KJjMNRg0

— CJ Vogel (@CJVogel_OTF) January 26, 2024

There are more bigtime CFB head coaches much closer to leaving the game than anyone realizes pic.twitter.com/Eq23h8hkJw

— Josh Pate (@LateKickJosh) January 29, 2024

College coaches leaving for lesser jobs at the NFL level will become much more common in the new era. Jeff Hafley won't be the only one. There will be many more.

— Barrett Sallee 🇺🇸 (@BarrettSallee) January 31, 2024