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If you are a baylor graduate you have failed as a Christian. The comments you have made have not come from any of the professors at baylor. You sound like a person who has classified themselves as a white supremacist. I feel sorry for you.

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If you are a baylor graduate you have failed as a Christian. The comments you have made have not come from any of the professors at baylor. You sound like a person who has classified themselves as a white supremacist. I feel sorry for you.

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Ad hominem and hysterical attacks on Bluesbear.

Come back with you have something meaningful to contribute Mickey

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Good to hear! There is still a definite demand for unapologetic Christian values based higher education. And while there are signs BU has been influenced to some degree by the woke mobs of academia (what happened with the former Burleson Quadrangle says hello) it's also clear that the university still hasn't entirely surrendered to that insanity as have most colleges and universities - which is appealing to a significant number of people.

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I wish we could be a Christian school without making so many people go into major financial debt to get said Christian education.

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People that feel that way should petition either the Baptist General Convention of Texas or the Southern Baptist Convention to acquire Baylor so that they can subsidize and manage it the same way the Mormon church does to BYU.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Good to hear! There is still a definite demand for unapologetic Christian values based higher education. And while there are signs BU has been influenced to some degree by the woke mobs of academia (what happened with the former Burleson Quadrangle says hello) it's also clear that the university still hasn't entirely surrendered to that insanity as have most colleges and universities - which is appealing to a significant number of people.

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I wish we could be a Christian school without making so many people go into major financial debt to get said Christian education.

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People that feel that way should petition either the Baptist General Convention of Texas or the Southern Baptist Convention to acquire Baylor so that they can subsidize and manage it the same way the Mormon church does to BYU.

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Not that Baylor would allow such a thing...but I don't think the BGCT or the SBC have that kind of money anyway.

The LDS church in Salt Lake is now worth in excess of $200 billion....they could make BYU have an endowment bigger than Harvard if they wanted to do so.

[As of February 2024, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) was estimated to be worth around $265 billion. This includes:

• Investments
  $182 billion, including $50.5 billion in the Ensign Peak portfolio, and stocks in companies like Apple, Microsoft, Alphabet, Amazon, Nvidia, and Meta Platforms
• Real estate
  Nearly 2.3 million acres in the U.S., including nearly 400 mission homes and the Missionary Training Center in Provo, which are worth about $2 billion
• Operating assets
  $83 billion, including ecclesiastical buildings, farms, and Brigham Young University holdings]

Redbrickbear said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Good to hear! There is still a definite demand for unapologetic Christian values based higher education. And while there are signs BU has been influenced to some degree by the woke mobs of academia (what happened with the former Burleson Quadrangle says hello) it's also clear that the university still hasn't entirely surrendered to that insanity as have most colleges and universities - which is appealing to a significant number of people.

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I wish we could be a Christian school without making so many people go into major financial debt to get said Christian education.

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People that feel that way should petition either the Baptist General Convention of Texas or the Southern Baptist Convention to acquire Baylor so that they can subsidize and manage it the same way the Mormon church does to BYU.

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Not that Baylor would allow such a thing...but I don't think the BGCT or the SBC have that kind of money anyway.

The LDS church in Salt Lake is now worth in excess of $200 billion....they could make BYU have an endowment bigger than Harvard if they wanted to do so.

[As of February 2024, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) was estimated to be worth around $265 billion. This includes:

• Investments
  $182 billion, including $50.5 billion in the Ensign Peak portfolio, and stocks in companies like Apple, Microsoft, Alphabet, Amazon, Nvidia, and Meta Platforms
• Real estate
  Nearly 2.3 million acres in the U.S., including nearly 400 mission homes and the Missionary Training Center in Provo, which are worth about $2 billion
• Operating assets
  $83 billion, including ecclesiastical buildings, farms, and Brigham Young University holdings]

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yep, Church of LSD is worth more than $265 billions vs $2.4 billion for the sbc

Applications are free and nowadays applying to all Texas universities is a one stop web portal nearly.

Applicants alone are also not representative of true demand since the price is variable, and students won't know the price until well after acceptance.
Additionally, loans are different these days, and both parents and students are experiencing the price shock of the loans.
Baylor is quickly becoming a rich school. Average person can't or won't afford 200K for a degree.
I'm happy BU is experiencing success though, just feel like the student culture that made BU special (to me) is quickly being erased.
Just curios, Do we have new numbers on accepted vs attending?

I've got 2 kids in college and 1 getting ready. Neither of the first two were interested in Baylor. Guess they just grew up too close to it. They wanted to go out of state / do something different. Kid #3 also wants to go out of state. He'll have extremely good grades and test scores, and I think I will have him apply to Baylor just because I want to see what happens on the financial offer. Personally, for in-state kids, I have a lot of trouble seeing how Baylor is worth the incremental expense over UT/A&M or, depending on your major and plans, even Tech. Those are degrees that will let you do what you want to do, and they're so cheap. But neither of my first two kids applied to Baylor, so I don't have a feel for the real walk-away price for a good student. Curious to see what it looks like. I don't expect it comes close to equalizing, but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

mickeyjoe said:

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If you are a baylor graduate you have failed as a Christian. The comments you have made have not come from any of the professors at baylor. You sound like a person who has classified themselves as a white supremacist. I feel sorry for you.

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What are you talking about? I made the comment about an application fee - be careful where you are casting stones...

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I've got 2 kids in college and 1 getting ready. Neither of the first two were interested in Baylor. Guess they just grew up too close to it. They wanted to go out of state / do something different. Kid #3 also wants to go out of state. He'll have extremely good grades and test scores, and I think I will have him apply to Baylor just because I want to see what happens on the financial offer. Personally, for in-state kids, I have a lot of trouble seeing how Baylor is worth the incremental expense over UT/A&M or, depending on your major and plans, even Tech. Those are degrees that will let you do what you want to do, and they're so cheap. But neither of my first two kids applied to Baylor, so I don't have a feel for the real walk-away price for a good student. Curious to see what it looks like. I don't expect it comes close to equalizing, but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

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My son has applied to Oklahoma State, Wichita State and Arkansas to name a few - - all have close Texas student based scholarships at time of acceptance. You can still negotiate price after the fact as well.

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I've got 2 kids in college and 1 getting ready. Neither of the first two were interested in Baylor. Guess they just grew up too close to it. They wanted to go out of state / do something different. Kid #3 also wants to go out of state. He'll have extremely good grades and test scores, and I think I will have him apply to Baylor just because I want to see what happens on the financial offer. Personally, for in-state kids, I have a lot of trouble seeing how Baylor is worth the incremental expense over UT/A&M or, depending on your major and plans, even Tech. Those are degrees that will let you do what you want to do, and they're so cheap. But neither of my first two kids applied to Baylor, so I don't have a feel for the real walk-away price for a good student. Curious to see what it looks like. I don't expect it comes close to equalizing, but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

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I think it's about 45 to 50 k for "good" students from upper middle income families. Plus spending money and life expenses of course.
Great students or need based on the other hand is significantly lower from what I hear.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Applications are free and nowadays applying to all Texas universities is a one stop web portal nearly.

Applicants alone are also not representative of true demand since the price is variable, and students won't know the price until well after acceptance.
Additionally, loans are different these days, and both parents and students are experiencing the price shock of the loans.
Baylor is quickly becoming a rich school. Average person can't or won't afford 200K for a degree.
I'm happy BU is experiencing success though, just feel like the student culture that made BU special (to me) is quickly being erased.
Just curios, Do we have new numbers on accepted vs attending?

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Acceptance rate matters far more than applications. Baylor is looking at an acceptance rate around 40% for the current cycle, and, while not bad, it pales in comparison to the acceptance rates with higher end private schools.

Robert Wilson said:

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I've got 2 kids in college and 1 getting ready. Neither of the first two were interested in Baylor. Guess they just grew up too close to it. They wanted to go out of state / do something different. Kid #3 also wants to go out of state. He'll have extremely good grades and test scores, and I think I will have him apply to Baylor just because I want to see what happens on the financial offer. Personally, for in-state kids, I have a lot of trouble seeing how Baylor is worth the incremental expense over UT/A&M or, depending on your major and plans, even Tech. Those are degrees that will let you do what you want to do, and they're so cheap. But neither of my first two kids applied to Baylor, so I don't have a feel for the real walk-away price for a good student. Curious to see what it looks like. I don't expect it comes close to equalizing, but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

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Total cost probably is close to $50K. My daughter had been offered $15K plus another smaller scholarship (maybe $2K?) based on her test scores (which were good, but not incredible). Then she won a writing contest at the weekend event for good students (don't remember what that was called) that would have been a full tuition scholarship. What surprised me was that they would also have let her keep the other two. That would have left her with only a few thousand a year. The point of the story -- if your kid gets offered the chance to go to any special weekends, tell them to go.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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I've got 2 kids in college and 1 getting ready. Neither of the first two were interested in Baylor. Guess they just grew up too close to it. They wanted to go out of state / do something different. Kid #3 also wants to go out of state. He'll have extremely good grades and test scores, and I think I will have him apply to Baylor just because I want to see what happens on the financial offer. Personally, for in-state kids, I have a lot of trouble seeing how Baylor is worth the incremental expense over UT/A&M or, depending on your major and plans, even Tech. Those are degrees that will let you do what you want to do, and they're so cheap. But neither of my first two kids applied to Baylor, so I don't have a feel for the real walk-away price for a good student. Curious to see what it looks like. I don't expect it comes close to equalizing, but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

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I think it's about 45 to 50 k for "good" students from upper middle income families. Plus spending money and life expenses of course.
Great students or need based on the other hand is significantly lower from what I hear.

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I'll be very curious to see. One of my 3 is a good student, and I can't see that math working. She can get a good degree from similar places way cheaper. The other 2 are in the great student category. Be curious to see what kind of deal he gets. If its good enough, that could make sense (though I think he will still go out of state).

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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I've got 2 kids in college and 1 getting ready. Neither of the first two were interested in Baylor. Guess they just grew up too close to it. They wanted to go out of state / do something different. Kid #3 also wants to go out of state. He'll have extremely good grades and test scores, and I think I will have him apply to Baylor just because I want to see what happens on the financial offer. Personally, for in-state kids, I have a lot of trouble seeing how Baylor is worth the incremental expense over UT/A&M or, depending on your major and plans, even Tech. Those are degrees that will let you do what you want to do, and they're so cheap. But neither of my first two kids applied to Baylor, so I don't have a feel for the real walk-away price for a good student. Curious to see what it looks like. I don't expect it comes close to equalizing, but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

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I think it's about 45 to 50 k for "good" students from upper middle income families. Plus spending money and life expenses of course.
Great students or need based on the other hand is significantly lower from what I hear.

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Baylor is close to 70k all in

Aberzombie1892 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Applications are free and nowadays applying to all Texas universities is a one stop web portal nearly.

Applicants alone are also not representative of true demand since the price is variable, and students won't know the price until well after acceptance.
Additionally, loans are different these days, and both parents and students are experiencing the price shock of the loans.
Baylor is quickly becoming a rich school. Average person can't or won't afford 200K for a degree.
I'm happy BU is experiencing success though, just feel like the student culture that made BU special (to me) is quickly being erased.
Just curios, Do we have new numbers on accepted vs attending?

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Acceptance rate matters far more than applications. Baylor is looking at an acceptance rate around 40% for the current cycle, and, while not bad, it pales in comparison to the acceptance rates with higher end private schools.

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45.9% now

Robert Wilson said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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I've got 2 kids in college and 1 getting ready. Neither of the first two were interested in Baylor. Guess they just grew up too close to it. They wanted to go out of state / do something different. Kid #3 also wants to go out of state. He'll have extremely good grades and test scores, and I think I will have him apply to Baylor just because I want to see what happens on the financial offer. Personally, for in-state kids, I have a lot of trouble seeing how Baylor is worth the incremental expense over UT/A&M or, depending on your major and plans, even Tech. Those are degrees that will let you do what you want to do, and they're so cheap. But neither of my first two kids applied to Baylor, so I don't have a feel for the real walk-away price for a good student. Curious to see what it looks like. I don't expect it comes close to equalizing, but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

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I think it's about 45 to 50 k for "good" students from upper middle income families. Plus spending money and life expenses of course.
Great students or need based on the other hand is significantly lower from what I hear.

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I'll be very curious to see. One of my 3 is a good student, and I can't see that math working. She can get a good degree from similar places way cheaper. The other 2 are in the great student category. Be curious to see what kind of deal he gets. If its good enough, that could make sense (though I think he will still go out of state).

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Education is on par with many other good schools. What you have to consider is if the "Baylor" environment (teachers, Christian environment, smaller size, etc) is worth the extra money.

Aren't some scholarships based at all on financial need, or strictly grades? What about how much you give to GXG and BBF? haha

Yes need-based factors in is what I've heard. But if you make over 100k (arbitrary number) for example as a family then I don't think you're going to qualify for need based. Probably not that simple, just a guideline.

Good (non-need) students will get 10k-20k off the 65k-70k list price. So 45k-50k is a good starting estimate. 200K if your kid can get it done in 4.

Not sure about race factors, although I do know from an applicant that Hispanics don't seem to be treated any differently from a BU perspective on scholarships.

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Yes need-based factors in is what I've heard. But if you make over 100k (arbitrary number) for example as a family then I don't think you're going to qualify for need based. Probably not that simple, just a guideline.

Good (non-need) students will get 10k-20k off the 65k-70k list price. So 45k-50k is a good starting estimate. 200K if your kid can get it done in 4.

Not sure about race factors, although I do know from an applicant that Hispanics don't seem to be treated any differently from a BU perspective on scholarships.

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Thanks. What is a "good" student? Does Baylor let anyone in that isn't a "good" student?

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there was a great push in the 80s and early 90s to make higher education more affordable to a larger group of Americans. federally, funds were allocated and guidelines were set up to qualify for and disperse those funds.

the idea was honorable but the downside was that the influx of billions of dollars into the educational systems for +3 decades has contributed heavily to the astronomical rise of tuition and colleges as a whole

there was no real check put into place and schools to keep tuition down. i do realize inflation plays a role here, but the reality is that school administrators across the country failed miserably when it came to administering the financial aspects of running a school as related to tuition increase

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To be fair, (1) universities are exponentially more expensive to maintain than they were in the 80s, (2) students and alumni are demanding more supplemental support now than ever before, (3) many states have cut back on support for state schools which has caused state school tuition to rise at generally a higher rate on a per year basis than private schools, etc. - that's just to say that government backed student loans were not the only major issue at play in regard to the rising tuition rates.

In the case of Baylor specifically, some tout Baylor's conservative and religious approach to education, but simultaneously bemoan the tuition costs without openly acknowledging that that approach is both a luxury in the market (like K12s with similar approaches) and a meaningful factor in the costs to attend.

Man, I'm just an internet rando dad, but I'm guessing 27ish+ ACT is good student territory. Over 30 may qualify as very good+.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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thales said:

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there was a great push in the 80s and early 90s to make higher education more affordable to a larger group of Americans. federally, funds were allocated and guidelines were set up to qualify for and disperse those funds.

the idea was honorable but the downside was that the influx of billions of dollars into the educational systems for +3 decades has contributed heavily to the astronomical rise of tuition and colleges as a whole

there was no real check put into place and schools to keep tuition down. i do realize inflation plays a role here, but the reality is that school administrators across the country failed miserably when it came to administering the financial aspects of running a school as related to tuition increase

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To be fair, (1) universities are exponentially more expensive to maintain than they were in the 80s, (2) students and alumni are demanding more supplemental support now than ever before, (3) many states have cut back on support for state schools which has caused state school tuition to rise at generally a higher rate on a per year basis than private schools, etc. - that's just to say that government backed student loans were not the only major issue at play in regard to the rising tuition rates.

In the case of Baylor specifically, some tout Baylor's conservative and religious approach to education, but simultaneously bemoan the tuition costs without openly acknowledging that that approach is both a luxury in the market (like K12s with similar approaches) and a meaningful factor in the costs to attend.

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Yep, someone has to clean those many steeples. Has Baylor really gone up in tuition slower than A&M or UT? I find that really hard to believe.

Ghostrider said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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thales said:

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there was a great push in the 80s and early 90s to make higher education more affordable to a larger group of Americans. federally, funds were allocated and guidelines were set up to qualify for and disperse those funds.

the idea was honorable but the downside was that the influx of billions of dollars into the educational systems for +3 decades has contributed heavily to the astronomical rise of tuition and colleges as a whole

there was no real check put into place and schools to keep tuition down. i do realize inflation plays a role here, but the reality is that school administrators across the country failed miserably when it came to administering the financial aspects of running a school as related to tuition increase

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To be fair, (1) universities are exponentially more expensive to maintain than they were in the 80s, (2) students and alumni are demanding more supplemental support now than ever before, (3) many states have cut back on support for state schools which has caused state school tuition to rise at generally a higher rate on a per year basis than private schools, etc. - that's just to say that government backed student loans were not the only major issue at play in regard to the rising tuition rates.

In the case of Baylor specifically, some tout Baylor's conservative and religious approach to education, but simultaneously bemoan the tuition costs without openly acknowledging that that approach is both a luxury in the market (like K12s with similar approaches) and a meaningful factor in the costs to attend.

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Yep, someone has to clean those many steeples. Has Baylor really gone up in tuition slower than A&M or UT? I find that really hard to believe.

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No way. UT and A&M are still dirt cheap for Texas residents.

Robert Wilson said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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thales said:

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there was a great push in the 80s and early 90s to make higher education more affordable to a larger group of Americans. federally, funds were allocated and guidelines were set up to qualify for and disperse those funds.

the idea was honorable but the downside was that the influx of billions of dollars into the educational systems for +3 decades has contributed heavily to the astronomical rise of tuition and colleges as a whole

there was no real check put into place and schools to keep tuition down. i do realize inflation plays a role here, but the reality is that school administrators across the country failed miserably when it came to administering the financial aspects of running a school as related to tuition increase

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To be fair, (1) universities are exponentially more expensive to maintain than they were in the 80s, (2) students and alumni are demanding more supplemental support now than ever before, (3) many states have cut back on support for state schools which has caused state school tuition to rise at generally a higher rate on a per year basis than private schools, etc. - that's just to say that government backed student loans were not the only major issue at play in regard to the rising tuition rates.

In the case of Baylor specifically, some tout Baylor's conservative and religious approach to education, but simultaneously bemoan the tuition costs without openly acknowledging that that approach is both a luxury in the market (like K12s with similar approaches) and a meaningful factor in the costs to attend.

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Yep, someone has to clean those many steeples. Has Baylor really gone up in tuition slower than A&M or UT? I find that really hard to believe.

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No way. UT and A&M are still dirt cheap for Texas residents.

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that's what I have seen as well. State schools have gone up, but where you can go to a&m for 20-30k per year, Baylor is $70-80 per year all in.

Ghostrider said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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thales said:

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there was a great push in the 80s and early 90s to make higher education more affordable to a larger group of Americans. federally, funds were allocated and guidelines were set up to qualify for and disperse those funds.

the idea was honorable but the downside was that the influx of billions of dollars into the educational systems for +3 decades has contributed heavily to the astronomical rise of tuition and colleges as a whole

there was no real check put into place and schools to keep tuition down. i do realize inflation plays a role here, but the reality is that school administrators across the country failed miserably when it came to administering the financial aspects of running a school as related to tuition increase

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To be fair, (1) universities are exponentially more expensive to maintain than they were in the 80s, (2) students and alumni are demanding more supplemental support now than ever before, (3) many states have cut back on support for state schools which has caused state school tuition to rise at generally a higher rate on a per year basis than private schools, etc. - that's just to say that government backed student loans were not the only major issue at play in regard to the rising tuition rates.

In the case of Baylor specifically, some tout Baylor's conservative and religious approach to education, but simultaneously bemoan the tuition costs without openly acknowledging that that approach is both a luxury in the market (like K12s with similar approaches) and a meaningful factor in the costs to attend.

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Yep, someone has to clean those many steeples. Has Baylor really gone up in tuition slower than A&M or UT? I find that really hard to believe.

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No way. UT and A&M are still dirt cheap for Texas residents.

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that's what I have seen as well. State schools have gone up, but where you can go to a&m for 20-30k per year, Baylor is $70-80 per year all in.

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They're both about 12k/year tuition. That's cheaper than most private high schools.

Robert Wilson said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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thales said:

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there was a great push in the 80s and early 90s to make higher education more affordable to a larger group of Americans. federally, funds were allocated and guidelines were set up to qualify for and disperse those funds.

the idea was honorable but the downside was that the influx of billions of dollars into the educational systems for +3 decades has contributed heavily to the astronomical rise of tuition and colleges as a whole

there was no real check put into place and schools to keep tuition down. i do realize inflation plays a role here, but the reality is that school administrators across the country failed miserably when it came to administering the financial aspects of running a school as related to tuition increase

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To be fair, (1) universities are exponentially more expensive to maintain than they were in the 80s, (2) students and alumni are demanding more supplemental support now than ever before, (3) many states have cut back on support for state schools which has caused state school tuition to rise at generally a higher rate on a per year basis than private schools, etc. - that's just to say that government backed student loans were not the only major issue at play in regard to the rising tuition rates.

In the case of Baylor specifically, some tout Baylor's conservative and religious approach to education, but simultaneously bemoan the tuition costs without openly acknowledging that that approach is both a luxury in the market (like K12s with similar approaches) and a meaningful factor in the costs to attend.

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Yep, someone has to clean those many steeples. Has Baylor really gone up in tuition slower than A&M or UT? I find that really hard to believe.

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No way. UT and A&M are still dirt cheap for Texas residents.

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UT and A&M get state funding. What's really interesting is look at the total cost per student. You'll find that A&M is the most expensive school in the state... and we all (taxpayer) are paying for it!