Ghostrider said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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thales said:

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there was a great push in the 80s and early 90s to make higher education more affordable to a larger group of Americans. federally, funds were allocated and guidelines were set up to qualify for and disperse those funds.

the idea was honorable but the downside was that the influx of billions of dollars into the educational systems for +3 decades has contributed heavily to the astronomical rise of tuition and colleges as a whole

there was no real check put into place and schools to keep tuition down. i do realize inflation plays a role here, but the reality is that school administrators across the country failed miserably when it came to administering the financial aspects of running a school as related to tuition increase

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To be fair, (1) universities are exponentially more expensive to maintain than they were in the 80s, (2) students and alumni are demanding more supplemental support now than ever before, (3) many states have cut back on support for state schools which has caused state school tuition to rise at generally a higher rate on a per year basis than private schools, etc. - that's just to say that government backed student loans were not the only major issue at play in regard to the rising tuition rates.

In the case of Baylor specifically, some tout Baylor's conservative and religious approach to education, but simultaneously bemoan the tuition costs without openly acknowledging that that approach is both a luxury in the market (like K12s with similar approaches) and a meaningful factor in the costs to attend.

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Yep, someone has to clean those many steeples. Has Baylor really gone up in tuition slower than A&M or UT? I find that really hard to believe.

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I would have to due diligence that specifically, but, on average, public school tuition has increased faster than private school tuition since at least 2000.

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Robert Wilson said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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thales said:

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there was a great push in the 80s and early 90s to make higher education more affordable to a larger group of Americans. federally, funds were allocated and guidelines were set up to qualify for and disperse those funds.

the idea was honorable but the downside was that the influx of billions of dollars into the educational systems for +3 decades has contributed heavily to the astronomical rise of tuition and colleges as a whole

there was no real check put into place and schools to keep tuition down. i do realize inflation plays a role here, but the reality is that school administrators across the country failed miserably when it came to administering the financial aspects of running a school as related to tuition increase

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To be fair, (1) universities are exponentially more expensive to maintain than they were in the 80s, (2) students and alumni are demanding more supplemental support now than ever before, (3) many states have cut back on support for state schools which has caused state school tuition to rise at generally a higher rate on a per year basis than private schools, etc. - that's just to say that government backed student loans were not the only major issue at play in regard to the rising tuition rates.

In the case of Baylor specifically, some tout Baylor's conservative and religious approach to education, but simultaneously bemoan the tuition costs without openly acknowledging that that approach is both a luxury in the market (like K12s with similar approaches) and a meaningful factor in the costs to attend.

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Yep, someone has to clean those many steeples. Has Baylor really gone up in tuition slower than A&M or UT? I find that really hard to believe.

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No way. UT and A&M are still dirt cheap for Texas residents.

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UT and A&M get state funding. What's really interesting is look at the total cost per student. You'll find that A&M is the most expensive school in the state... and we all (taxpayer) are paying for it!

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Well, sure, Baylor can't compete with the PUF...

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Good to hear! There is still a definite demand for unapologetic Christian values based higher education. And while there are signs BU has been influenced to some degree by the woke mobs of academia (what happened with the former Burleson Quadrangle says hello) it's also clear that the university still hasn't entirely surrendered to that insanity as have most colleges and universities - which is appealing to a significant number of people.

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In reality most people dont give a **** about Burleson Quadrangle or whatever else former slave owner statue you want to remove. It really does nothing for people of color other than provide some fake comfort. What I find bewildering is how some of you are so attached to some statute/building that you never even noticed until someone said something about removing it. Now all of sudden you are all woke for preservation of white history

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grew up in dallas, enjoying beautiful Lee park which had a big beautiful statue of RE Lee...btw statue was dedicated by FDR in 36 or 37...its gone and so is Lee park, since renamed....fortunately it was bought for 1.4 million and now has a beautiful new home at the Lajitas Golf Resort in the Big Bend....overlooks the putting green....Kelcy Warren owns the resort....so the statue and the park exists no longer in Dallas...does that make ur day?

Morally, I'm not sure I totally buy the "if you didn't notice it, why should it bother you now" argument.

If I made you a cake that looked and tasted perfectly fine and only told you after you ate it that I accidentally dropped a tiny little turd in there, I don't think it would be responsible of me to make the argument that you never noticed, so no harm no foul.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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thales said:

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there was a great push in the 80s and early 90s to make higher education more affordable to a larger group of Americans. federally, funds were allocated and guidelines were set up to qualify for and disperse those funds.

the idea was honorable but the downside was that the influx of billions of dollars into the educational systems for +3 decades has contributed heavily to the astronomical rise of tuition and colleges as a whole

there was no real check put into place and schools to keep tuition down. i do realize inflation plays a role here, but the reality is that school administrators across the country failed miserably when it came to administering the financial aspects of running a school as related to tuition increase

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To be fair, (1) universities are exponentially more expensive to maintain than they were in the 80s, (2) students and alumni are demanding more supplemental support now than ever before, (3) many states have cut back on support for state schools which has caused state school tuition to rise at generally a higher rate on a per year basis than private schools, etc. - that's just to say that government backed student loans were not the only major issue at play in regard to the rising tuition rates.

In the case of Baylor specifically, some tout Baylor's conservative and religious approach to education, but simultaneously bemoan the tuition costs without openly acknowledging that that approach is both a luxury in the market (like K12s with similar approaches) and a meaningful factor in the costs to attend.

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Yep, someone has to clean those many steeples. Has Baylor really gone up in tuition slower than A&M or UT? I find that really hard to believe.

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I would have to due diligence that specifically, but, on average, public school tuition has increased faster than private school tuition since at least 2000.

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• Between 2009-10 and 2019-20, the total cost of attendance (fees, tuition, room, and board) saw an increase of 39.9% at public 4-year schools.
• At private 4-year schools, costs grew 44.2%.

Average Cost of College Over Time: Yearly Tuition Since 1970 (educationdata.org)

Ghostrider said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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thales said:

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there was a great push in the 80s and early 90s to make higher education more affordable to a larger group of Americans. federally, funds were allocated and guidelines were set up to qualify for and disperse those funds.

the idea was honorable but the downside was that the influx of billions of dollars into the educational systems for +3 decades has contributed heavily to the astronomical rise of tuition and colleges as a whole

there was no real check put into place and schools to keep tuition down. i do realize inflation plays a role here, but the reality is that school administrators across the country failed miserably when it came to administering the financial aspects of running a school as related to tuition increase

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To be fair, (1) universities are exponentially more expensive to maintain than they were in the 80s, (2) students and alumni are demanding more supplemental support now than ever before, (3) many states have cut back on support for state schools which has caused state school tuition to rise at generally a higher rate on a per year basis than private schools, etc. - that's just to say that government backed student loans were not the only major issue at play in regard to the rising tuition rates.

In the case of Baylor specifically, some tout Baylor's conservative and religious approach to education, but simultaneously bemoan the tuition costs without openly acknowledging that that approach is both a luxury in the market (like K12s with similar approaches) and a meaningful factor in the costs to attend.

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Yep, someone has to clean those many steeples. Has Baylor really gone up in tuition slower than A&M or UT? I find that really hard to believe.

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I would have to due diligence that specifically, but, on average, public school tuition has increased faster than private school tuition since at least 2000.

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• Between 2009-10 and 2019-20, the total cost of attendance (fees, tuition, room, and board) saw an increase of 39.9% at public 4-year schools.
• At private 4-year schools, costs grew 44.2%.

Average Cost of College Over Time: Yearly Tuition Since 1970 (educationdata.org)

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Also, to state the bleeding obvious, going from 9k to 12k is a lot different than going from 35k to 50k..

I know how %s work, but I also know how raw dollars work. The first is negligible as far as affordability. The second is significant as far as affordability.

Robert Wilson said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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thales said:

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there was a great push in the 80s and early 90s to make higher education more affordable to a larger group of Americans. federally, funds were allocated and guidelines were set up to qualify for and disperse those funds.

the idea was honorable but the downside was that the influx of billions of dollars into the educational systems for +3 decades has contributed heavily to the astronomical rise of tuition and colleges as a whole

there was no real check put into place and schools to keep tuition down. i do realize inflation plays a role here, but the reality is that school administrators across the country failed miserably when it came to administering the financial aspects of running a school as related to tuition increase

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To be fair, (1) universities are exponentially more expensive to maintain than they were in the 80s, (2) students and alumni are demanding more supplemental support now than ever before, (3) many states have cut back on support for state schools which has caused state school tuition to rise at generally a higher rate on a per year basis than private schools, etc. - that's just to say that government backed student loans were not the only major issue at play in regard to the rising tuition rates.

In the case of Baylor specifically, some tout Baylor's conservative and religious approach to education, but simultaneously bemoan the tuition costs without openly acknowledging that that approach is both a luxury in the market (like K12s with similar approaches) and a meaningful factor in the costs to attend.

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Yep, someone has to clean those many steeples. Has Baylor really gone up in tuition slower than A&M or UT? I find that really hard to believe.

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I would have to due diligence that specifically, but, on average, public school tuition has increased faster than private school tuition since at least 2000.

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• Between 2009-10 and 2019-20, the total cost of attendance (fees, tuition, room, and board) saw an increase of 39.9% at public 4-year schools.
• At private 4-year schools, costs grew 44.2%.

Average Cost of College Over Time: Yearly Tuition Since 1970 (educationdata.org)

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Also, to state the bleeding obvious, going from 9k to 12k is a lot different than going from 35k to 50k..

I know how %s work, but I also know how raw dollars work. The first is negligible as far as affordability. The second is significant as far as affordability.

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yep, Baylor needs to figure a way to continue selling the intangibles, bc no one is going to Baylor bc their education is superior. to UT/A&M.

We have a close extended family member who graduated from Baylor within the past 10 years. She was a "good" student. Her immediate family and one grandfather are all Aggies. She ended up going to Baylor because Baylor was cheaper than A&M for her due to the financial aid packages she got.

For an average student, I would question going to Baylor over state schools, but for some "good" students it might make sense after financial aid.

The return on investment at elite private institutions outside the 8 Ivies is no better than public universities, per Bloomberg.

The 10-year return on investment of the 63 top private colleges is 49% less than the official Ivies & 9% less than public schools, per Bloomberg.

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) September 12, 2024

Won't impact BU....but good thing for those at public unis

Sent a letter to Texas colleges & universities today prohibiting college tuition increases in the next biennium.

Texans face significant rising costs due to inflation.

Our universities must take every step possible to ease the financial burden on our students & their families. pic.twitter.com/TQDE1Xc7Ow

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) November 13, 2024

boognish_bear said:

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Won't impact BU....but good thing for those at public unis

Sent a letter to Texas colleges & universities today prohibiting college tuition increases in the next biennium.

Texans face significant rising costs due to inflation.

Our universities must take every step possible to ease the financial burden on our students & their families. pic.twitter.com/TQDE1Xc7Ow

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) November 13, 2024

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No more endless tuition raises and no more woke DEI indoctrination

Texas Public Colleges are looking better all the time.

Wish Baylor would jump on this bandwagon

Redbrickbear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Won't impact BU....but good thing for those at public unis

Sent a letter to Texas colleges & universities today prohibiting college tuition increases in the next biennium.

Texans face significant rising costs due to inflation.

Our universities must take every step possible to ease the financial burden on our students & their families. pic.twitter.com/TQDE1Xc7Ow

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) November 13, 2024

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No more endless tuition raises and no more woke DEI indoctrination

Texas Public Colleges are looking better all the time.

Wish Baylor would jump on this bandwagon

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I just hope they don't send them more tax money.

I know I am in the minority, but I don't think the government should be in the post-secondary education business. I think my major made me jaded towards this issue. As a minister, I had to attend private universities. I don't support the state deciding to compete with private entities.

Before anyone says anything, high school and lower is required by law, so we should provide it. I struggle with the voucher issue. I am afraid that it is going to harm public schools and mainly benefit the middle class at the expense of the lower class. On the other hand, I really like the freedom it will give many to have access to schools they never would have had access to before.