Geez. Rhule is coaching like he wants to lose.

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Geez. Rhule is coaching like he wants to lose.

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He does. If he can make us the bottom in every single category then next year if we move up even one spot he can come out and say "see we've improved. Trust the process" while ignoring he was the one who caused us to be last in everything.

The team is starting to regress. Dont know a thing about Steele but this is absolutely pathetic.

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The team is starting to regress. Dont know a thing about Steele but this is absolutely pathetic.

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Steele was a lot like Rhule except he won more, was likeable, and didn't have nearly the amount of talent, facilities, or support.

anyone not on the bandwagon yet? It's almost like losing to Liberty was a red flag.

11 points of evidence say yes.

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The team is starting to regress. Dont know a thing about Steele but this is absolutely pathetic.

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Steele was a lot like Rhule except he won more, was likeable, and didn't have nearly the amount of talent, facilities, or support.

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I'm a noisy Rhule critic, but this loss is not on Rhule. This was the worst-officiated game I have seen this year, and I speak as a former official. Blatant double standards, players throwing punches but allowed to continue to play. vicious hits get no penalty ... this game is evidence that crew should not be working even at the high school level, let alone the Big XII.

The Bears played with a lot of heart and energy, but were outmatched in size, their defense could not stop TCU when they had to, and the officials had absolutely no control of foul play.

Heart and energy? We got our ass kicked. Outcoached and out played. It was a rout.

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Heart and energy? We got our ass kicked. Outcoached and out played. It was a rout.

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Only in the second half. And we were the recipient of one horrible call after another. Totally atrocious.

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Heart and energy? We got our ass kicked. Outcoached and out played. It was a rout.

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But...but...but we covered a ridiculously high line. MORAL VICTORY!!!

Geeze, you guys. I'm not saying this was a great year for BU football or even for coaching BU football. But we can't pretend the cupboard was anywhere like ready to play P5 football when this thing started. Rhule didn't help himself out by practicing his way into some injuries, and the on-the-field injuries were pretty unbelievable. It is simply way too early to conclude that Rhule is the worst ever. Change your maxi pads and quit taking so much of your self-worth from spectator sports.

To answer op (of course I did not read 12 pages of replies): we cannot make a real evaluation after one season. We need to see what happens next year and in 2019 before we have a clear idea. On the down side, I doubt any Baylor fans 3-4 years expected our football team to do so terribly in 2017. On the other hand, despite a terrible record the team showed flashes of greatness in most games. The near comebacks against OU & W Virginia, the competitiveness against most of our opponents, and real improvements in some areas (penalties, special teams, defense) all show some reason for optimism.

Also, we should remember that all the freshmen who played this year are going to have real experience (and real mistakes) to learn from and should show serious improvement the next 2-3 years. As I've said before, if the receivers can learn how not to drop balls, the defense can learn to tackle, and everyone learn how to block then things will look brighter. Just think how well Brewer & Smith might be next year if they can learn better ball security. Just think how many games this year could have been victories if not for 1-2 plays. There's no point in rehashing those games since we can only speculate about what could have happened but we can appreciate those things that did work and expect more of the good and less of the bad next year.

Worst. Coach. Ever.

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Worst. Coach. Ever.

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Putting a period after each word doesn't make your comment any less stupid.

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I don't even think that Steele would have lost to Liberty. I went to our first game of the Steele Era when we played BC in Brookline and we were competitive (losing in overtime).

Matt Rhule is a horrible coach.

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I went to the game at BC as well. Unfortunately, I then went to all of the others. No one will ever be as bad as Steele. Rhule is not even in the same universe. The mention of Steele's name should be banned.

Steele never had close to the talent Rhule has nor the budget for a staff to hire whoever he wanted like Rhule has.

Steele would not have lost to Liberty. UNLV would have beaten them by three touchdowns.

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Steele would not have lost to Liberty. UNLV would have beaten them by three touchdowns.

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I'll wait to answer this after next season.

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Is Rhule the worst BU coach of all time?

Without question!

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Most definitely. Steele never lost to an FBS team. I'm not sure even Beall ever did

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I'll wait to answer this after next season.

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Thank you. That stance is Golden.

If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.

I do not see any greatness in losses. Winning the first half means nothing. well, it might mean the other team spent little time preparing for you because they have real teams to play in their future. We celebrate the number of field goals we kicked in a losing effort because our offense couldnt score. Our last game included a bench clearing brawl but we are more disciplined. Our coach lost games because he tried to make team fit his offense. Forcing square pegs into round holes didnt/doesnt work. When an underdog wins a first half its usually because the opponent thought so little about you they started practicing for the next opponent a week early. Having opponents praise your coach in a losing effort is not a good thing. I used to tell coaches I beat "Hey your guys really played hard. You had us struggling the whole game. We were lucky." That translates to "We beat you and will beat you again."

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Worst. Coach. Ever.

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Putting a period after each word doesn't make your comment any less stupid.

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History will prove me right.

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Worst. Coach. Ever.

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Putting a period after each word doesn't make your comment any less stupid.

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History will prove me right.

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Maybe so, but I don't recall history having had that tendency for you in the past.

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Worst. Coach. Ever.

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Putting a period after each word doesn't make your comment any less stupid.

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History will prove me right.

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Maybe so, but I don't recall history having had that tendency for you in the past.

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I might disagree. I don't recall many times I was off the mark in regards to Baylor.

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Worst. Coach. Ever.

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Putting a period after each word doesn't make your comment any less stupid.

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History will prove me right.

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Maybe so, but I don't recall history having had that tendency for you in the past.

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I might disagree. I don't recall many times I was off the mark in regards to Baylor.

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It could be that I am remembering incorrectly and have confused you with a different poster whose significant opposition to and doomsaying about an on campus stadium proved to be on the wrong side of history.

One fan might look and say, "That glass is 11/12 empty," while another would look and say, "That glass is 1/12 full."

What kind of fan are you?

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Worst. Coach. Ever.

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Putting a period after each word doesn't make your comment any less stupid.

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History will prove me right.

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Maybe so, but I don't recall history having had that tendency for you in the past.

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I might disagree. I don't recall many times I was off the mark in regards to Baylor.

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It could be that I am remembering incorrectly and have confused you with a different poster whose significant opposition to and doomsaying about an on campus stadium proved to be on the wrong side of history.

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You are correct that I opposed the stadium but it remains to be seen if I'm on the wrong side of history. I still maintain that Floyd Casey had better sight lines and was a better place to watch a game. Remember, 80% of the seats at the Case were sideline. At McClane, more than 33% of the seats are in the end zone.

McClane shows off great on the interstate but it has been a disappointment as an actual stadium. To a person, the tailgaters miss the friendly shaded confines and parking at Floyd Casey.

What is not widely known is that Populous that built the new stadium met with the big money guys and told them that they could refurbish Floyd Casey for $50 million and make it the finest stadium in America. Many of those donors, especially those who had already donated millions to Floyd Casey in the past, were willing to go that direction. However, the biggest money in the room belonged to Drayton and he wanted a stadium sitting on the interstate. His money overruled the rest.

So Baylor went $300 million in debt for the new ballyard. I was on record as opposing the new stadium on that point.

It all looked good on paper as long as the Bears were winners in big time football. My fear was it all might become unsustainable as things changed. It wasn't doom and gloom prophecy on my part. I was just being realistic.

Using the last home game as an indicator, Baylor may not be able to survive many Rhule seasons.

If we continue to falter, we could end up with the nicest stadium in Conference USA.

Wrong side of history?

As the zen master said, "we'll see".

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Worst. Coach. Ever.

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Putting a period after each word doesn't make your comment any less stupid.

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History will prove me right.

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Maybe so, but I don't recall history having had that tendency for you in the past.

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I might disagree. I don't recall many times I was off the mark in regards to Baylor.

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Many people experience memory issues as they grow older .

Highly unlikely. We've had some really bad ones, though none managed to lose 11 including the likes of Liberty and Utsa.

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Worst. Coach. Ever.

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Putting a period after each word doesn't make your comment any less stupid.

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History will prove me right.

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Maybe so, but I don't recall history having had that tendency for you in the past.

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I might disagree. I don't recall many times I was off the mark in regards to Baylor.

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Ummm the stadium for one.

And I agree with you on Rhule. But you were way off on the stadium.

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Worst. Coach. Ever.

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Putting a period after each word doesn't make your comment any less stupid.

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History will prove me right.

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Maybe so, but I don't recall history having had that tendency for you in the past.

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I might disagree. I don't recall many times I was off the mark in regards to Baylor.

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It could be that I am remembering incorrectly and have confused you with a different poster whose significant opposition to and doomsaying about an on campus stadium proved to be on the wrong side of history.

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You are correct that I opposed the stadium but it remains to be seen if I'm on the wrong side of history. I still maintain that Floyd Casey had better sight lines and was a better place to watch a game. Remember, 80% of the seats at the Case were sideline. At McClane, more than 33% of the seats are in the end zone.

McClane shows off great on the interstate but it has been a disappointment as an actual stadium. To a person, the tailgaters miss the friendly shaded confines and parking at Floyd Casey.

What is not widely known is that Populous that built the new stadium met with the big money guys and told them that they could refurbish Floyd Casey for $50 million and make it the finest stadium in America. Many of those donors, especially those who had already donated millions to Floyd Casey in the past, were willing to go that direction. However, the biggest money in the room belonged to Drayton and he wanted a stadium sitting on the interstate. His money overruled the rest.

So Baylor went $300 million in debt for the new ballyard. I was on record as opposing the new stadium on that point.

It all looked good on paper as long as the Bears were winners in big time football. My fear was it all might become unsustainable as things changed. It wasn't doom and gloom prophecy on my part. I was just being realistic.

Using the last home game as an indicator, Baylor may not be able to survive many Rhule seasons.

If we continue to falter, we could end up with the nicest stadium in Conference USA.

Wrong side of history?

As the zen master said, "we'll see".

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FCS was an awful stadium. Getting in and out was awful. Getting food was awful. The bathrooms were horrible. The seats were awful. Benches are so 1950s. Troughs in the men's room are so 1850.

Sightlines? I have sat in multiple areas of the new stadium and have never had a bad sightline. You are talking out of your @$$ on that one.

Sideline- endzone?? Who cares? Yes the sideline seats are a better view but the endzone view is much better at McClane because you are a little higher and can actually see better than at FCS.

Plus there is no God awful tarp covering up thousands of seats.

Disappointment??? I have never heard a single person say they were disappointed after visiting the new stadium.

The shaded tailgate you speak of was actually only a small portion of the tailgate area at the old stadium. I have heard no one say they miss it. Bring your own shade with tents/tarps/covering. I have heard more people say they like how the tailgating areas at the new stadium are all in the same location.

Plus you have better views of the river.

And sailgating.

No amount of money could have made FCS "the finest stadium in America" as you claim. That is just bs.

You constantly have said Baylor went $300 million in debt but that is a flat out lie and you have been proven wrong on that before.

The empty stadium was a problem for 10+ years at FCS. One game at McClane is not a problem related to the stadium. It is a result of the play on the field.

You are just wrong. No one. No one is disappointed with the new stadium.

There was nothing inherent about FCS that requires a tarp. In fact it was gone in our final season there in the Briles era. There had never been a need for a tarp at McLane until Rhoades and Rhule came to town.

Here's a summary of post-WW2 Baylor head football coaches, the record from the year before they arrived as well as their first season, the coach's overall win %, and notables:

Frank Kimbrough (15-23-3, 3-6-1 in 1941), 39%, followed 4-6 season (down 1 win);

Bob Woodruff (19-10-2, 5-5 in 1947), 65%, followed 1-8 season (up 4 wins);

George Sauer (38-21-3, 7-3 in 1950), 61%, followed 8-2 season (down 1 win)

Sam Boyd (15-15-1, 9-2 in 1956), 50%, followed 5-5 season (up 4 wins);

John Bridgers (49-53-1, 4-6 in 1959), 48%, followed 3-7 season (up 1 win);

Bill Beall (3-28, 0-10 in 1969), 10%, followed 3-7 season (down 3 wins), pretty much the worst of all time by any measure;

Grant Teaff (128-105-6, 5-6 in 1972), 55%, followed 1-9 season (up 4 wins), won multiple conference titles and bowls;

Chuck Reedy (23-22, 5-6 in 1993), 51%, followed 7-5 season (down 2 wins);

Dave Roberts (4-18, 2-9 in 1997), 18%, followed 4-7 season (down 2 wins);

Kevin Steele (8-36, 1-10 in 1999), 18%, followed 2-9 season (down 1 win);

Guy Morris (18-40, 3-9 in 2003), 31%, followed 3-9 season (no change);

Art Briles (65-37, 4-8 in 2008), 64%, followed 3-9 season (up 1 win), won 2 conference titles and multiple bowls

Jim Grobe (7-6 in only season), 54%, followed 10-3 season (down 3 wins), arrived during scandal as placeholder, 1 bowl win;

Matt Rhule (1-11 this season), 8%, follows 7-6 season (down 6 wins), notable damage to recruiting but excellent facilities and core of team in place.

cowboycwr said:

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Worst. Coach. Ever.

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Putting a period after each word doesn't make your comment any less stupid.

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History will prove me right.

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Maybe so, but I don't recall history having had that tendency for you in the past.

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I might disagree. I don't recall many times I was off the mark in regards to Baylor.

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It could be that I am remembering incorrectly and have confused you with a different poster whose significant opposition to and doomsaying about an on campus stadium proved to be on the wrong side of history.

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You are correct that I opposed the stadium but it remains to be seen if I'm on the wrong side of history. I still maintain that Floyd Casey had better sight lines and was a better place to watch a game. Remember, 80% of the seats at the Case were sideline. At McClane, more than 33% of the seats are in the end zone.

McClane shows off great on the interstate but it has been a disappointment as an actual stadium. To a person, the tailgaters miss the friendly shaded confines and parking at Floyd Casey.

What is not widely known is that Populous that built the new stadium met with the big money guys and told them that they could refurbish Floyd Casey for $50 million and make it the finest stadium in America. Many of those donors, especially those who had already donated millions to Floyd Casey in the past, were willing to go that direction. However, the biggest money in the room belonged to Drayton and he wanted a stadium sitting on the interstate. His money overruled the rest.

So Baylor went $300 million in debt for the new ballyard. I was on record as opposing the new stadium on that point.

It all looked good on paper as long as the Bears were winners in big time football. My fear was it all might become unsustainable as things changed. It wasn't doom and gloom prophecy on my part. I was just being realistic.

Using the last home game as an indicator, Baylor may not be able to survive many Rhule seasons.

If we continue to falter, we could end up with the nicest stadium in Conference USA.

Wrong side of history?

As the zen master said, "we'll see".

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FCS was an awful stadium. Getting in and out was awful. Getting food was awful. The bathrooms were horrible. The seats were awful. Benches are so 1950s. Troughs in the men's room are so 1850.

Sightlines? I have sat in multiple areas of the new stadium and have never had a bad sightline. You are talking out of your @$$ on that one.

Sideline- endzone?? Who cares? Yes the sideline seats are a better view but the endzone view is much better at McClane because you are a little higher and can actually see better than at FCS.

Plus there is no God awful tarp covering up thousands of seats.

Disappointment??? I have never heard a single person say they were disappointed after visiting the new stadium.

The shaded tailgate you speak of was actually only a small portion of the tailgate area at the old stadium. I have heard no one say they miss it. Bring your own shade with tents/tarps/covering. I have heard more people say they like how the tailgating areas at the new stadium are all in the same location.

Plus you have better views of the river.

And sailgating.

No amount of money could have made FCS "the finest stadium in America" as you claim. That is just bs.

You constantly have said Baylor went $300 million in debt but that is a flat out lie and you have been proven wrong on that before.

The empty stadium was a problem for 10+ years at FCS. One game at McClane is not a problem related to the stadium. It is a result of the play on the field.

You are just wrong. No one. No one is disappointed with the new stadium.

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All of the problems you mentioned were valid. However the $50 million renovation was designed to fix those problems.

The finest stadium in America was a Populous quote, not mine.

As for sight lines, nobody thinks an end zone seat is better than a side line seat, unless you work for the ticket office.

We could argue the fine points but you haven't addressed what happens to our shiney stadium when Rhule runs our program into the ground and we drop into Conference USA or FBS.

Like I said, the jury is still out on the new ballyard.

We'll see.