boognish_bear said:

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You could install any offense you want and it will go nowhere with a below average OL and QB that can't hit an open target.

I'm not ready to blame anything on Spav yet...unless he handpicked Finn. He will have to own that one.

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I would go a step further and say that a new offensive coordinator was a solution to a problem that didn't really exist. Spav is OK. Grimes was OK. Neither are great. I think a spread off is a little bit better for our personnel, but Grimes offense works fine when you have the right personnel in place to run it ie offensive lineman that can run block

Edit: Didn't mean to do angry face. I am cool as a cucumber

boognish_bear said:

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You could install any offense you want and it will go nowhere with a below average OL and QB that can't hit an open target.

I'm not ready to blame anything on Spav yet...unless he handpicked Finn. He will have to own that one.

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Spav should have taken whatever they spent on Finn and upgraded the line. Why spend on a QB that you can't protect?

Daveisabovereproach said:

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Going out and getting Finn to run Spavital's offense is like going to a Mexican restaurant and ordering spaghetti. It made no sense

Again, it was just Dave grasping at straws in order to appease some of the powers that be. People complained about Blake Shapen taking too many sacks even though the offensive line gave him no time, so of course we had to go out and get a scrambling quarterback that had a cool three minute highlight reel on YouTube

Now, I don't blame everything on Finn. The offensive line is still terrible. The only type of running game that works is handing it to the most physical back and having him break multiple tackles. There are no holes for our speed/finesse backs to run through. Richard Reese's career has basically been wasted here. In an air raid offense, you will often see swing passes and short passes to the running back in the flats to augment the run game. However, Finn can't make those throws. The honest truth is that Finn is a better fit for Grimes offense, and Shapen is a better fit for Spavital's offense. Isn't that insane?

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What's insane is Kansas hired baylors oc. Will be interesting to see how that pans out.

So far They have sucked offensively vs Illinois

Fre3dombear said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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Going out and getting Finn to run Spavital's offense is like going to a Mexican restaurant and ordering spaghetti. It made no sense

Again, it was just Dave grasping at straws in order to appease some of the powers that be. People complained about Blake Shapen taking too many sacks even though the offensive line gave him no time, so of course we had to go out and get a scrambling quarterback that had a cool three minute highlight reel on YouTube

Now, I don't blame everything on Finn. The offensive line is still terrible. The only type of running game that works is handing it to the most physical back and having him break multiple tackles. There are no holes for our speed/finesse backs to run through. Richard Reese's career has basically been wasted here. In an air raid offense, you will often see swing passes and short passes to the running back in the flats to augment the run game. However, Finn can't make those throws. The honest truth is that Finn is a better fit for Grimes offense, and Shapen is a better fit for Spavital's offense. Isn't that insane?

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What's insane is Kansas hired baylors oc. Will be interesting to see how that pans out.

So far They have sucked offensively vs Illinois

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Jalon Daniels has been surprisingly bad tonight. I'm not sure I've ever seen him play worse.

I really wonder who's responsible for this hot garbage, just a duct taped offense with pieces that don't fit together. Is it Spav or CDA?

How can they not know before the season starts that's our O Line is Swiss cheese.

MrGolfguy said:

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The opposing defense today had a lot to do with BU's bad offense. They likely won't play another defense like this again.

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No. They'll be tougher

Kansas lost to Illinois.

I don't think their offense was terrible but it wasn't great either. Some lost opportunities and questionable play calling.

I got so tired of seeing Reese try to run up the gut time after time for no yardage.

Fre3dombear said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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Going out and getting Finn to run Spavital's offense is like going to a Mexican restaurant and ordering spaghetti. It made no sense

Again, it was just Dave grasping at straws in order to appease some of the powers that be. People complained about Blake Shapen taking too many sacks even though the offensive line gave him no time, so of course we had to go out and get a scrambling quarterback that had a cool three minute highlight reel on YouTube

Now, I don't blame everything on Finn. The offensive line is still terrible. The only type of running game that works is handing it to the most physical back and having him break multiple tackles. There are no holes for our speed/finesse backs to run through. Richard Reese's career has basically been wasted here. In an air raid offense, you will often see swing passes and short passes to the running back in the flats to augment the run game. However, Finn can't make those throws. The honest truth is that Finn is a better fit for Grimes offense, and Shapen is a better fit for Spavital's offense. Isn't that insane?

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What's insane is Kansas hired baylors oc. Will be interesting to see how that pans out.

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I didn't know Kansas hired grimes, wow.

I'll be betting on a lot of Kansas games this year

doh

chorne68 said:

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I got so tired of seeing Reese try to run up the gut time after time for no yardage.

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Yep, as good as banging your head against the wall.

boognish_bear said:

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You could install any offense you want and it will go nowhere with a below average OL and QB that can't hit an open target.

I'm not ready to blame anything on Spav yet...unless he handpicked Finn. He will have to own that one.

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Finn was the only option we had. We can't recruit quarterbacks from high school, and we haven't been able to retain the quality quarterbacks we had.

We need an AD who gets the new NIL system and a HC who knows how it works. Recruiting ain't what it used to be and these two are left in the dust.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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I really wonder who's responsible for this hot garbage, just a duct taped offense with pieces that don't fit together. Is it Spav or CDA?

How can they not know before the season starts that's our O Line is Swiss cheese.

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I'm sure the staff did know that. But there's only so much you can do to change that in an offseason. Look at Colorado. We share similar problems on the O-line, and they're proof that you can't just portal a new unit and start over.

You've got to develop guys, and we've struggled mightily in that regard.

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boognish_bear said:

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You could install any offense you want and it will go nowhere with a below average OL and QB that can't hit an open target.

I'm not ready to blame anything on Spav yet...unless he handpicked Finn. He will have to own that one.

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Finn was the only option we had. We can't recruit quarterbacks from high school, and we haven't been able to retain the quality quarterbacks we had.

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I think we were pursuing Malik Murphy also...although he didn't look that great yesterday against NW

chorne68 said:

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I got so tired of seeing Reese try to run up the gut time after time for no yardage.

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Reese just isn't a very dynamic back. He's competent with a good line, but he can do very, very little to create for himself. We saw that last year, we're seeing it again this year.

bear2be2 said:

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chorne68 said:

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I got so tired of seeing Reese try to run up the gut time after time for no yardage.

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Reese just isn't a very dynamic back. He's competent with a good line, but he can do very, very little to create for himself. We saw that last year, we're seeing it again this year.

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Most running backs can't do anything when they have to "create" for themselves. That's not how a run game works

And it would be nice to at least put Richard Reese in the slot or design some swing routes for him, but our quarterback can't even hit those passes

Daveisabovereproach said:

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bear2be2 said:

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chorne68 said:

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I got so tired of seeing Reese try to run up the gut time after time for no yardage.

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Reese just isn't a very dynamic back. He's competent with a good line, but he can do very, very little to create for himself. We saw that last year, we're seeing it again this year.

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Most running backs can't do anything when they have to "create" for themselves. That's not how a run game works

And it would be nice to at least put Richard Reese in the slot or design some swing routes for him, but our quarterback can't even hit those passes

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Obviously, you don't want your backs getting hit at or near the line, but there are metrics kept to show who is better in those situations, and Reese is consistently the worst among our backs.

And he can't play in the slot because he can't catch.

It's not all his fault, but he's basically a useless player on our roster.

Yeah, it pretty much is. This is Dave Aranda's offense.

Daveisabovereproach said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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I don't understand how a scrambling QB can be so bad at throwing on the run.

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I'm not a quarterback coach, but I remember noticing how bad his mechanics were when I watched his highlights. And those were highlights

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$760k to carry a clipboard by the EOY.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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This offense was hot garbage. Thought we were going to do something a little different, what happened to the up-tempo spread offense? Or did I just miss it due to the mess on the field?

I can't believe we're still this bad on Offense. WE PAY PLAYERS and get hot garbage.

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THIS IS NOT THE OFFENSE WE WERE PROMISED.


This reminds we of Vacation:

Rusty Griswold : Dad, this is not the car you ordered!

Clark Griswald : Settle down Russ. Let me handle this. Ed, uh... this is not the car I ordered. I distinctly ordered the Antartic Blue Super Sports Wagon with the C.B. and optional rally fun pack.

I need to see more of Finn.

We saw what sawyer could do last year vs tough defenses (Utah and Texas). It wasn't impressive. Not defending Finn, but yall are acting like sawyer would've lit it up through the air today.

If yall don't remember we played Utah, at home last year. We put up 13 pts and sawyer had 2 picks and no tds through the air. At home.

Our running game was the only thing going that game and sawyer scored a short 4 yard TD on a designed run that we didn't have the luxury of doing today.

We've seen what sawyer can do with basically a whole season. Let's give Finn some time. The answer could be that we don't have a QB solution on campus and need to hit the portal. But I don't think Sawyer is going to dramatically increase our chances of winning over Finn.

Vs Texas last year - sawyer had no TDs. 1 pick, and negative 14 yards rushing. At home. We had nothing going through the air. I'm not bashing sawyer but we've already seen what he can do in basically a whole season. Now's not the time to give up on Finn and just go back to that yet. Let's give him some games to see how things shake out. Sawyer isn't the answer right now.

You need to see more of Finn?? There's 5 years of tape to prove the dude ain't it… he put up ok stats at freaking Toledo. And if you go watch some of his film from Toledo you'll see he got away with a lot of boneheaded throws/decisions that he's not getting away with here.
No ones saying Sawyer is some savior. But the dude at least looks competent throwing the ball past 5 yards. Something Finn has no ability to do

BUMBA1 said:

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I need to see more of Finn.

We saw what sawyer could do last year vs tough defenses (Utah and Texas). It wasn't impressive. Not defending Finn, but yall are acting like sawyer would've lit it up through the air today.

If yall don't remember we played Utah, at home last year. We put up 13 pts and sawyer had 2 picks and no tds through the air. At home.

Our running game was the only thing going that game and sawyer scored a short 4 yard TD on a designed run that we didn't have the luxury of doing today.

We've seen what sawyer can do with basically a whole season. Let's give Finn some time. The answer could be that we don't have a QB solution on campus and need to hit the portal. But I don't think Sawyer is going to dramatically increase our chances of winning over Finn.

Vs Texas last year - sawyer had no TDs. 1 pick, and negative 14 yards rushing. At home. We had nothing going through the air. I'm not bashing sawyer but we've already seen what he can do in basically a whole season. Now's not the time to give up on Finn and just go back to that yet. Let's give him some games to see how things shake out. Sawyer isn't the answer right now.

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Excuse me sir. I haven't seen anything so far where anyone is wanting Robertson to start. Most on this forum are disappointed in Finn. As I am. This team is basically last years team, second verse. We only seem to get ready to play in the second half. Oh well...I've said enough.

WE PAY PLAYERS!

And this is the half baked offense we get? C'mon guys, we were told we'd be fast and have weapons. They lied. It's hot garbage.

Not overreacting, sure we may win several, but C'mon, our expectations should be much higher for a 5th year head coach.

Some of y'all are spitting into the wind.

This is the scheme we were promising.
Here's proof -

https://baylorbears.com/news/2020/1/20/football-aranda-introductory-press-conference-transcription

I for one want to see no more of Finn. Ever.


quote=BUMBA1]I need to see more of Finn.

We saw what sawyer could do last year vs tough defenses (Utah and Texas). It wasn't impressive. Not defending Finn, but yall are acting like sawyer would've lit it up through the air today.

If yall don't remember we played Utah, at home last year. We put up 13 pts and sawyer had 2 picks and no tds through the air. At home.

Our running game was the only thing going that game and sawyer scored a short 4 yard TD on a designed run that we didn't have the luxury of doing today.

We've seen what sawyer can do with basically a whole season. Let's give Finn some time. The answer could be that we don't have a QB solution on campus and need to hit the portal. But I don't think Sawyer is going to dramatically increase our chances of winning over Finn.

Vs Texas last year - sawyer had no TDs. 1 pick, and negative 14 yards rushing. At home. We had nothing going through the air. I'm not bashing sawyer but we've already seen what he can do in basically a whole season. Now's not the time to give up on Finn and just go back to that yet. Let's give him some games to see how things shake out. Sawyer isn't the answer right now.

Grimes offense requires 5 OL working in tandem like the 49ers. Outside zone. It's a great offense in the NFL or maybe at an UGA where you can have 5 stellar linemen that can move. College spreads feature much more inside zone which is easier for OL. Hit the man in front of you and unless a trap or buck sweep type play not as much moving except by one or two guys. It's easier to mask a weaker link. The genius of Briles and Leach was simplifying things. Create easy reads for the QB and put the defense in conflict. Briles used speed, spacing, and RPO with big maulers Cyril Richardson opening holes inside for quick dudes like Lache and Shock or a bruiser to wear down the defense. Leach (and Mumme) incorporate a lot of option and rub routes. If it's a zone the receiver sits down in the open space and if it's man the receivers run crossers and try to rub their DB.

From what I saw it looked like we wanted the defense to bite on Finn running and then he hits a screen for a speedy guy to have a 1v1. Finn had issues hitting those but also the defense wasn't necessarily biting him running. He needs to get loose once or twice for the defense to bite. Maybe I'm off. Haven't watched any replays and probably won't but from my armchair that's what it looked like we wanted to do. Then when a screen goes big you can fake it and go deep or hit a wheel route.