Im totally convinced of that. Joey was the hype man and can lead men while Dave is like an analytical guy that is not the lead man.BaylorGrad09 said:
Watching the Tech game tonight and was thinking the same thing. I'm not convinced Dave's early success wasn't actually on Joey based on the results since he was hired to Lubbock.
Unlike any Dave Aranda team but 2021, Tech has made a lot of improvement since that ACU game.muddybrazos said:
is a pretty good team. We kept the wrong coach. I knew the day we let James Blanchard walk that we made a mistake. Joey was the guy that we shoulda kept to keep the Rhule culture. Mack screwed this one up.
And ya they almost lost to ACU but theyre a decent team.
BaylorGrad09 said:
Watching the Tech game tonight and was thinking the same thing. I'm not convinced Dave's early success wasn't actually on Joey based on the results since he was hired to Lubbock.
Imagine after the Big12 title win, instead of extending Dave, he gets hired away to another program and Joey got elevated internally. What might have been…
Realitybites said:
Nobody is leaving Tech to coach Baylor in the current environment.
BU82EX said:
One thing we know for sure is even if we would have hired Joey, the first little screw up or unpredicted loss and this board would have crucified him, Mack and Linda. Absent another 2021 season, the majority of "voices" on this board live in a state of dissatisfaction.
They're 5-1 and alone atop the Big 12 standings. Regardless of what you think about Tech, they're winning games while we sit with Kansas and Oklahoma State at the back of the short bus -- likely to lose to both of those teams later this year.PartyBear said:
I think y'all have McGuire and Tech way overrated. If we have an opening, we should not be reaching out to McGuire and I do not think we would. I know this will upset the McGuire off shoot of Rhule's cult followers here and the attacks and disinfo will flow.
Keeping McGuire was the easy, obvious choice.chukronos said:
Many alumni and fans wanted to keep Joey as HC. The players wanted Joey as HC. Most knew that Joey was good for Baylor. Mack wanted who he wanted. And as a result, we are where we are.
There's no way in hell McGuire is leaving Tech for Baylor. Baylor had one shot to hire him and chose the guru.Daveisabovereproach said:
IDK I think people are talking hindsight. I'm not sold on Joey as a head coach, but he would have been a cheaper option than Dave and probably achieved results on par or better than what we have seen the last three seasons. But no, I think there are better options out there when Dave inevitably gets fired. Let's not act like we'd even be able to hire him from Tech anyway.
Wrong. Dave Aranda got a complete mulligan in Year 1. It wasn't until he completely bottomed out in Year 4 that a majority of people turned on him.BU82EX said:
One thing we know for sure is even if we would have hired Joey, the first little screw up or unpredicted loss and this board would have crucified him, Mack and Linda. Absent another 2021 season, the majority of "voices" on this board live in a state of dissatisfaction.
No one said he was a legend. But he's a hell of a lot better than Aranda's sorry ass. The winning percentage says it, and so will the head-to-head record soon.PartyBear said:
As I said the disinfo would start flying. Maybe McGuire is one of the legends of college football and you and maybe only a few can see others can see it now and I'm counting Tech people as well. I doubt it though.
bear2be2 said:No one said he was a legend. But he's a hell of a lot better than Aranda's sorry ass. The winning percentage says it, and so will the head-to-head record soon.PartyBear said:
As I said the disinfo would start flying. Maybe McGuire is one of the legends of college football and you and maybe only a few can see others can see it now and I'm counting Tech people as well. I doubt it though.
We hired a ****ing clown ... and you continue to support him as he does his best Titan submersible impression with our program.
I gave Dave plenty of chances. I jumped on board like everyone else after the 2021 season and stayed there until last season. The man is incompetent. That is beyond clear at this point.PartyBear said:Look you have wanted Dave out since he was named and during the COVId year because it wasn't McGuire hired. It isn't defending Aranda to argue McGuire is overrated by a few of you. I know you think otherwise but I suspect if Tech had our schedule thus far, they also would have losses to UTah, CU, BYU and ISU.bear2be2 said:No one said he was a legend. But he's a hell of a lot better than Aranda's sorry ass. The winning percentage says it, and so will the head-to-head record soon.PartyBear said:
As I said the disinfo would start flying. Maybe McGuire is one of the legends of college football and you and maybe only a few can see others can see it now and I'm counting Tech people as well. I doubt it though.
We hired a ****ing clown ... and you continue to support him as he does his best Titan submersible impression with our program.
PartyBear said:
The general rule is you don't hire a position coach to be HC of a P4 program. So far the only exception to that rule is Dabo at Clemson.
bear2be2 said:I gave Dave plenty of chances. I jumped on board like everyone else after the 2021 season and stayed there until last season. The man is incompetent. That is beyond clear at this point.PartyBear said:Look you have wanted Dave out since he was named and during the COVId year because it wasn't McGuire hired. It isn't defending Aranda to argue McGuire is overrated by a few of you. I know you think otherwise but I suspect if Tech had our schedule thus far, they also would have losses to UTah, CU, BYU and ISU.bear2be2 said:No one said he was a legend. But he's a hell of a lot better than Aranda's sorry ass. The winning percentage says it, and so will the head-to-head record soon.PartyBear said:
As I said the disinfo would start flying. Maybe McGuire is one of the legends of college football and you and maybe only a few can see others can see it now and I'm counting Tech people as well. I doubt it though.
We hired a ****ing clown ... and you continue to support him as he does his best Titan submersible impression with our program.
Say what you want about Joey McGuire. He's not incompetent. And he's doing better currently at a much more difficult place to win than our joke of a coach.
And say what you want about Tech's schedule. We wouldn't be 5-1 against it. We'd likely have lost to Arizona State, Cincinnati and Arizona.
You don't have to be a legend to be better than Dave Aranda's sorry ass. You just have to have half a clue what you're doing.
And as I've said for each of the past three seasons now, I would trade Tech's trajectory with Joey McGuire for ours with Dave Aranda in a heartbeat.
He was also Rhule's assistant head coach and had the support of that staff, much of which might have been retained had he been hired.BaylorGrad09 said:PartyBear said:
The general rule is you don't hire a position coach to be HC of a P4 program. So far the only exception to that rule is Dabo at Clemson.
It's hard to say McGuire was just a position coach. Yes, he was a position coach at Baylor, but he was a three time state champion head coach at the high school ranks and associate head coach under Rhule. He was a first time head coach hire at Tech, but it wasn't a that much of a stretch.
That's only because some people, namely you, have trouble reading win-loss records.PartyBear said:We know you have been saying that since Tech hired him that Tech is so much better. We have read that numerous times from you.bear2be2 said:I gave Dave plenty of chances. I jumped on board like everyone else after the 2021 season and stayed there until last season. The man is incompetent. That is beyond clear at this point.PartyBear said:Look you have wanted Dave out since he was named and during the COVId year because it wasn't McGuire hired. It isn't defending Aranda to argue McGuire is overrated by a few of you. I know you think otherwise but I suspect if Tech had our schedule thus far, they also would have losses to UTah, CU, BYU and ISU.bear2be2 said:No one said he was a legend. But he's a hell of a lot better than Aranda's sorry ass. The winning percentage says it, and so will the head-to-head record soon.PartyBear said:
As I said the disinfo would start flying. Maybe McGuire is one of the legends of college football and you and maybe only a few can see others can see it now and I'm counting Tech people as well. I doubt it though.
We hired a ****ing clown ... and you continue to support him as he does his best Titan submersible impression with our program.
Say what you want about Joey McGuire. He's not incompetent. And he's doing better currently at a much more difficult place to win than our joke of a coach.
And say what you want about Tech's schedule. We wouldn't be 5-1 against it. We'd likely have lost to Arizona State, Cincinnati and Arizona.
You don't have to be a legend to be better than Dave Aranda's sorry ass. You just have to have half a clue what you're doing.
And as I've said for each of the past three seasons now, I would trade Tech's trajectory with Joey McGuire for ours with Dave Aranda in a heartbeat.
Realitybites said:
Nobody is leaving Tech to coach Baylor in the current environment.
