Does anyone know if Briles will be joining in the celebration festivities at the TCU game when Baylor honors the 2013 and 2014 teams?

Do you really think he would come even if he was invited?

BaylorBearGuy said:

---

Does anyone know if Briles will be joining in the celebration festivities at the TCU game when Baylor honors the 2013 and 2014 teams?

---

Yes. Almost certain Kendal will be there. Not really sure it's appropriate for him to join in the celebration though since he's coaching the opposing team.

Hoping the students start a "C-A-B" "C-A-B" "C-A-B" chant.

MrGolfguy said:

---

Hoping the students start a "C-A-B" "C-A-B" "C-A-B" chant.

---

I assure you no current Baylor students will be chanting this.

MrGolfguy said:

---

Hoping the students start a "C-A-B" "C-A-B" "C-A-B" chant.

---

Why would they do that? They were children at the height of the AARP Briles era.

Art would not want to be a distraction. I did hear some mention on one of Smoaky's shows, I think it was Bryce Petty, who said he'd drive to collie station and pick up Phil Bennet and drive him to Waco.

Why wouldn't he show up? He's done nothing to be ashamed of.

If only Art would show up. Every day, as I meditate upon my Kim Mulkey bobblehead (signed by Arthur Briles) I try to manifest good vibes and healing towards Art. If only he could be healed, then I would truly be healed. I left my wife over a dispute about Art Briles, and I've never looked back. She couldn't appreciate what kind of a man he was and what he has done for my life. But the liberal media and commies that run our blessed university can't allow his righteousness on campus, despite my effervescent prayers and vibes that I send towards Briles each day.

He will be at. Friday night get together at Georges

ABC BEAR said:

---

Why wouldn't he show up? He's done nothing to be ashamed of.

---

If your employer tossed you under the bus because they scrooched the pooch but made you the fall guy, would you ever show up to that employer for anything outside of a court room?

You'd probably be the only one if so.

He would get the biggest standing O ever if he was there. Coach Phil Bennet should be there and get a standing O.

It's long past time everybody got over themselves over Art and tried some grace and healing for a change. Baylor should take the lead in this.

Him attending would put the media in a tizzy. The OU game he was at last year, invited by his son in law, caused some fireworks. Might allow for some healing to have Art walk out with his teams, at the very least put that era to rest on a positive note.

drahthaar said:

---

It's long past time everybody got over themselves over Art and tried some grace and healing for a change. Baylor should take the lead in this.

---

Would agree.

Back on BaylorFans I was highly critical of the BOR, still am. Several here could vouch for that. I was very happy to have CAB as our coach. I still have an autographed football on my shelf.

However, neither can I give CAB a complete pass on why what happened happened. Just like the captain of a ship who losses his command because some undisciplined and not fully trained seaman recruit on board throws a wrench into a turbine, as a head coach, you have got to be in control of your team. Yes, you delegate authority, but you ultimately are responsible for the whole shebang. You've got to have the things in place such that underlings understand and have the integrity to call out what they know is wrong and take action. He didn't. He delegated, but he didn't follow-up to the degree necessary. You can't run a program with a "don't ask, don't tell" mentality. Baylor, its fans, its players, Briles and everyone else paid for that lack of accountability.

But I also truly believe that had Baylor not been the first major program for this widespread problem to surface, Baylor and Briles would have ridden it out. Look at all the other examples of teams that later had situations that were just as bad or worse but their administrations saw and learned from how Baylor handled it and deemed that such drastic actions were not required to address a problem that was and still is rampant. But we were the first. Panic set in. We were the only ones that had the problem or so we were told. We had no past history from which to draw guidance or comparison.

I don't think Briles would have remained coach too much longer regardless. He had too much wanderlust in him and Baylor was still not thought of as being all that big a fish in the pond. The biggest showcasing of wanderlust was how he strung us along during the Fiesta Bowl. I have no doubt he wanted to go to UT, but UT just didn't play it the way he wanted it played. The distraction resulted in the embarrassment in Tempe.

So, I would have invited him (perhaps he was, for all I know). Give him applause (not shouts of "CAB") along with the rest of the team, and leave it at that.

Mistakes were made by all. The only people in the whole situation that I feel were the innocent parties (other than the true victims) were us fans who had no reason to believe that the people running the university and its programs were not mature enough to understand that Baylor students were no better or worse than students at other universities and there was no reason to think that society's problems did not exist in Waco, And, as a result, did not run all university programs, athletic and academic, to standards that we would naturally expect and assumed to be followed. Trying to cover them up or ignore them cost us all dearly.

I only post this because it was brought up. I don't think I have mentioned CAB and the whole sorry mess for years and don't care to beyond this point.

boognish_bear said:

---

1. He won't be invited
2. He wouldn't accept an invitation if it was offered

---

Baylor invited the entire teams, not individual players. He is a part of the team, why would he need a special invitation ?

blackie said:

---

But I also truly believe that had Baylor not been the first major program for this widespread problem to surface, Baylor and Briles would have ridden it out. Look at all the other examples of teams that later had situations that were just as bad or worse but their administrations saw and learned from how Baylor handled it and deemed that such drastic actions were not required to address a problem that was and still is rampant. But we were the first. Panic set in. We were the only ones that had the problem or so we were told. We had no past history from which to draw guidance or comparison.

I don't think Briles would have remained coach too much longer regardless. He had too much wanderlust in him and Baylor was still not thought of as being all that big a fish in the pond. The biggest showcasing of wanderlust was how he strung us along during the Fiesta Bowl. I have no doubt he wanted to go to UT, but UT just didn't play it the way he wanted it played. The distraction resulted in the embarrassment in Tempe.

---

I disagree with these two points.

The reason we botched our response, while other schools handled theirs better, is not because we were first. It's because we are Baylor. Our BOR is too large, full of 36 volunteers who are worried about their own image and exposure, and Baylor historically cares more about appearance than it does the underlying facts. (E.g. we reported zero sexual assaults for some years leading up to this). We also had longstanding internal division that cracked open under the pressure. Our problem is not the order in which we drew the bad hand; it is our general makeup and how we played the hand.

Also, Briles would have been here a long time. He'd told Tech no (probably twice). He and UT flirted but it didn't come to fruition. He'd talked too much crap on A&M to ever go over there. He was not going to leave Texas. There were no good options left. We were poised for a long run unless/until the Cowboys or Texans wanted him as OC or HC, which might never have happened.

Briles was running a dumpster fire of misconduct on his watch . He had to go. Even the president had to go. Denying that reality does not nake it untrue. Baylor paid undisclosed amounts to numerous victims that never made it to criminal trials. Briles was about one thing, winning. At all costs, including ignoring sexual abuse.

BU82EX said:

---

"The reason we botched our response, while other schools handled theirs better, is not because we were first. It's because we are Baylor. Our BOR is too large, full of 36 volunteers who are worried about their own image and exposure, and Baylor historically cares more about appearance than it does the underlying facts. (E.g. we reported zero sexual assaults for some years leading up to this). We also had longstanding internal division that cracked open under the pressure. Our problem is not the order in which we drew the bad hand; it is our general makeup and how we played the hand."

THIS!

I am 100% confident that the last thing the BOR wanted to do was fire CAB and start over in football or make him a scapegoat. However, because we are Baylor and because we hold to a mission statement unlike the other 127 FBS schools, we tend to run hard and fast from controversy. I truly believe that had the Hamilton report been in writing and publicized, it would have been waaay worse for Baylor and CAB. It's a painful part of our past and no amount of second guessing or playing the blame game will change it.

---

This is the most full of crap response I've ever heard.

Did Linda write this or was it Buddy??

fredbear said:

---

Briles was running a dumpster fire of misconduct on his watch . He had to go. Even the president had to go. Denying that reality does not nake it untrue. Baylor paid undisclosed amounts to numerous victims that never made it to criminal trials. Briles was about one thing, winning. At all costs, including ignoring sexual abuse.

---

Neither of them had to go. They had a federal judge in the room telling them "you don't have to do this." "Had to" is cope.

BU82EX said:

---

"The reason we botched our response, while other schools handled theirs better, is not because we were first. It's because we are Baylor. Our BOR is too large, full of 36 volunteers who are worried about their own image and exposure, and Baylor historically cares more about appearance than it does the underlying facts. (E.g. we reported zero sexual assaults for some years leading up to this). We also had longstanding internal division that cracked open under the pressure. Our problem is not the order in which we drew the bad hand; it is our general makeup and how we played the hand."

THIS!

I am 100% confident that the last thing the BOR wanted to do was fire CAB and start over in football or make him a scapegoat. However, because we are Baylor and because we hold to a mission statement unlike the other 127 FBS schools, we tend to run hard and fast from controversy. I truly believe that had the Hamilton report been in writing and publicized, it would have been waaay worse for Baylor and CAB. It's a painful part of our past and no amount of second guessing or playing the blame game will change it.

---

I agreed with all that, and the minute we commissioned the Pepper Hamilton work product in the manner that we did I knew we were going to screw ourselves. Anyone with an ounce of sense hires defense counsel, gets privileged work product, and hunkers down and plays defense.

We hired a couple hairy legged East Coast women to come do an inquisition/prosecution on our people (without benefit of counsel) while asking questions like: "Why do you have so many black guys on the team?" Then, we handled it so carelessly that we waved attorney-client and work product protection on it. Absolute debacle.

Starr played a large part in cooking his own goose with the manner in which he commissioned that report.

I don't think he'd come for such an event because he'd know his presence would reignite all the bull****. And he'd never come if he thought it would distract from his son coaching the other team.

Sadly, he'd never be invited anyway.

guadalupeoso said:

---

If only Art would show up. Every day, as I meditate upon my Kim Mulkey bobblehead (signed by Arthur Briles) I try to manifest good vibes and healing towards Art. If only he could be healed, then I would truly be healed. I left my wife over a dispute about Art Briles, and I've never looked back. She couldn't appreciate what kind of a man he was and what he has done for my life. But the liberal media and commies that run our blessed university can't allow his righteousness on campus, despite my effervescent prayers and vibes that I send towards Briles each day.

---

Good move. A wife you can find just about anywhere, but a coach who wins 10 games a year is hard to find.
Hopefully you have found a good woman who is a blessing in your life.