So if a referee makes a mistake and calls you out of bounds, stops the clock, when you actually went down in bounds, by rule, after review, there's a 10 second runoff? What if there were nine seconds left and you would've had plenty of time to get to line up and spike the ball? Now you don't get to? Halftime? Why does a refs mistake penalize a team?

Eli said:

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So if a referee makes a mistake and calls you out of bounds, stops the clock, when you actually went down in bounds, by rule, after review, there's a 10 second runoff? What if there were nine seconds left and you would've had plenty of time to get to line up and spike the ball? Now you don't get to? Halftime? Why does a refs mistake penalize a team?

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It's a new one, called the Dumb Rule.

It's not a dumb rule. Had the referee made the right call, the clock runs out. We had zero time outs (due to a coaching error early). There is no feasible way the ball is set and we run a play/kill the clock in that situation.

The call on the field was terrible. We were clearly in bounds. A 10 second run off is a gift in that situation because we couldn't have done what we needed to do in 10 seconds either. Too bad there were four seconds on the clock.

El Oso said:

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It's not a dumb rule. Had the referee made the right call, the clock runs out. We had zero time outs (due to a coaching error early). There is no feasible way the ball is set and we run a play/kill the clock in that situation.

The call on the field was terrible. We were clearly in bounds. A 10 second run off is a gift in that situation because we couldn't have done what we needed to do in 10 seconds either. Too bad there were four seconds on the clock.

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Ten seconds would be plenty of time to either spike the ball or run another play. It's a flawed rule because the ref's mistake takes away a team's chance to even try. Ten second runoffs are only supposed to be charged for a team's mistake, not the ref's.

If I remember right there wasn't 10 seconds there were 4

I thought there were 5, but maybe the point that 10 seconds is too much, is a good one. Maybe a 5 second runoff is better. Runoffs for ref mistakes should never penalize a team.

Porteroso said:

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I thought there were 5, but maybe the point that 10 seconds is too much, is a good one. Maybe a 5 second runoff is better. Runoffs for ref mistakes should never penalize a team.

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It penalized TCU. It gave us a stopped clock. Fixing it penalized us to exactly what should have happened: an expired clock.

I don't have any problem with what happened on the field yesterday. I'm addressing the rule, so I was using 10 seconds as an example towards the rule because that would allow plenty of time to line up and spike the ball. Can you imagine the outcry had that happened? No one would say that that's fair.

It's not a dumb rule? So let's say Baylor was about to score on TCU at the 5 yard line and there were 10 seconds left in the game and the referee made that call and the game ended, instead of allowing Baylor to lineup and spike the ball, run the game winning play? Yeah that makes perfect sense.

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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El Oso said:

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It's not a dumb rule. Had the referee made the right call, the clock runs out. We had zero time outs (due to a coaching error early). There is no feasible way the ball is set and we run a play/kill the clock in that situation.

The call on the field was terrible. We were clearly in bounds. A 10 second run off is a gift in that situation because we couldn't have done what we needed to do in 10 seconds either. Too bad there were four seconds on the clock.

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Ten seconds would be plenty of time to either spike the ball or run another play. It's a flawed rule because the ref's mistake takes away a team's chance to even try. Ten second runoffs are only supposed to be charged for a team's mistake, not the ref's.

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There were four seconds on the clock when our RB knee hit the ground in bounds. The rule is a 10 second run off, but only four actually were.

There is no way we could have run a play. None. TCU was victimized by the call because we could have run one more play until replay corrected the onfield call.

This!!
When Trigg was tackled inbounds there was 4 seconds. No way in hell were we getting lined up and snapping the ball in that time frame.

Eli said:

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It's not a dumb rule? So let's say Baylor was about to score on TCU at the 5 yard line and there were 10 seconds left in the game and the referee made that call and the game ended, instead of allowing Baylor to lineup and spike the ball, run the game winning play? Yeah that makes perfect sense.

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That's not even close to what happened last night. Give a detailed play so we can test your theory.

I'll give you one, TCU player goes down in bounds on the five yard line with 10 seconds on the clock. TCU is down six and has no timeouts. It's crystal clear their player went down in bounds just inches from the sideline. Replay buzzes down and corrects the call.

Should TCU get 10 seconds to run a play (or maybe two if they have a down to spike it) or should the game be over because the player went down in bounds near the sidelines?

There was no way we could have regrouped, waited on the ref to spot the ball and snapped it in 10 seconds. None. And no way TCU could have either of the roles were reversed.

It's why you don't call dumb timeouts earlier in the half when you sub late and allow TCU to run out the play clock making a defensive sub. If any rules need to be changed it's that one or we need a smarter coaching staff. Then we could have used that timeout and tried a FG.

Are you guys mental??

The argument isn't that in the game yesterday there were ten seconds left after that play instead of four. The point is that in general, the rule itself is flawed because hypothetically if a team had 10 seconds left, then an incorrect out of bounds call by the ref would charge the team with a 10 second runoff and thus end the half or game, thus eliminating any chance for the team to run another play - but that's the REF'S fault, not the team's fault! Had the referee NOT made the wrong call, then the team would have had ten seconds left, which in our case would have been plenty of time to hurry up and run another play.

And for those who think ten seconds would not have been enough time - how long have you been watching football?? It probably wouldn't be enough time if, say, the play before had been a really long pass completion because then the whole team would have to run down the field a long way to set up at the line. But if the play was a 5-yard out route to the sideline? Ten seconds would be more than enough time for the team to set up 5 yards further down the field.

These stats disagree with you.

College football: The average time between plays is 32.7 seconds. Yes, I under things move faster in the last few minutes of a half (and some offenses), but resetting the ball takes time.

Everyone is also ignoring the part of the rule that allows the offense or defense to decline the penalty. TCU obviously didn't decline because that was stupid, but if TCU defense had done something to run off 10 seconds, we could have declined and tried the FG. The rule actually protects the team the ref is screwing over

NFL: The average rest interval between plays is between 26.936.4 seconds.

El Oso said:

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These stats disagree with you.

College football: The average time between plays is 32.7 seconds. Yes, I under things move faster in the last few minutes of a half (and some offenses), but resetting the ball takes time.

Everyone is also ignoring the part of the rule that allows the offense or defense to decline the penalty. TCU obviously didn't decline because that was stupid, but if TCU defense had done something to run off 10 seconds, we could have declined and tried the FG. The rule actually protects the team the ref is screwing over

NFL: The average rest interval between plays is between 26.936.4 seconds.

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Oh good lord. You do realize that the average time is NOT going to be the time it would take for a team that is trying to hurry up to run another play before halftime or before the end of the game? The refs hurry to spot the ball. Seriously, have you not watched football games where a team hurries to spike the ball to stop the clock?

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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El Oso said:

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These stats disagree with you.

College football: The average time between plays is 32.7 seconds. Yes, I under things move faster in the last few minutes of a half (and some offenses), but resetting the ball takes time.

Everyone is also ignoring the part of the rule that allows the offense or defense to decline the penalty. TCU obviously didn't decline because that was stupid, but if TCU defense had done something to run off 10 seconds, we could have declined and tried the FG. The rule actually protects the team the ref is screwing over

NFL: The average rest interval between plays is between 26.936.4 seconds.

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Oh good lord. You do realize that the average time is NOT going to be the time it would take for a team that is trying to hurry up to run another play before halftime or before the end of the game? The refs hurry to spot the ball. Seriously, have you not watched football games where a team hurries to spike the ball to stop the clock?

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Now I know you're being deliberately obtuse because in my post I wrote Yes, I under things move faster in the last few minutes of a half (and some offenses), but resetting the ball takes time.

And you're still ignoring the part of the rule that allows the team being hurt by the runoff to decline the runoff

TCU would have been idiotic to decline. Bottom line is we didn't get out of bounds. We didn't have a timeout. TCU didn't do anything wrong. Call was right. Rule is right.

El Oso said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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El Oso said:

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These stats disagree with you.

College football: The average time between plays is 32.7 seconds. Yes, I under things move faster in the last few minutes of a half (and some offenses), but resetting the ball takes time.

Everyone is also ignoring the part of the rule that allows the offense or defense to decline the penalty. TCU obviously didn't decline because that was stupid, but if TCU defense had done something to run off 10 seconds, we could have declined and tried the FG. The rule actually protects the team the ref is screwing over

NFL: The average rest interval between plays is between 26.936.4 seconds.

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Oh good lord. You do realize that the average time is NOT going to be the time it would take for a team that is trying to hurry up to run another play before halftime or before the end of the game? The refs hurry to spot the ball. Seriously, have you not watched football games where a team hurries to spike the ball to stop the clock?

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Now I know you're being deliberately obtuse because in my post I wrote Yes, I under things move faster in the last few minutes of a half (and some offenses), but resetting the ball takes time.

And you're still ignoring the part of the rule that allows the team being hurt by the runoff to decline the runoff

TCU would have been idiotic to decline. Bottom line is we didn't get out of bounds. We didn't have a timeout. TCU didn't do anything wrong. Call was right. Rule is right.

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HOW am I being obtuse? Your argument clearly was that ten seconds would NOT have been enough time to run another play, because the average time between plays is a lot longer. This is a laughable argument by the way, sorry. You just don't know what you're talking about.

And you're argument about declining the runoff makes absolutely no sense either, because you're saying the "team being hurt by the runoff" was TCU, and they could decline it. TCU wasn't hurt by the runoff, Baylor was. TCU was the beneficiary of the runoff. Are you mental?? And if the runoff is a penalty against Baylor, then Baylor can't decline a penalty against itself. Seriously, what on earth are you talking about? You're making no sense whatsoever.

El Oso said:

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These stats disagree with you.

College football: The average time between plays is 32.7 seconds. Yes, I under things move faster in the last few minutes of a half (and some offenses), but resetting the ball takes time.

Everyone is also ignoring the part of the rule that allows the offense or defense to decline the penalty. TCU obviously didn't decline because that was stupid, but if TCU defense had done something to run off 10 seconds, we could have declined and tried the FG. The rule actually protects the team the ref is screwing over

NFL: The average rest interval between plays is between 26.936.4 seconds.

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Penalty? NFL? Incoherent rambling.

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Are you guys mental??

The argument isn't that in the game yesterday there were ten seconds left after that play instead of four. The point is that in general, the rule itself is flawed because hypothetically if a team had 10 seconds left, then an incorrect out of bounds call by the ref would charge the team with a 10 second runoff and thus end the half or game, thus eliminating any chance for the team to run another play - but that's the REF'S fault, not the team's fault! Had the referee NOT made the wrong call, then the team would have had ten seconds left, which in our case would have been plenty of time to hurry up and run another play.

And for those who think ten seconds would not have been enough time - how long have you been watching football?? It probably wouldn't be enough time if, say, the play before had been a really long pass completion because then the whole team would have to run down the field a long way to set up at the line. But if the play was a 5-yard out route to the sideline? Ten seconds would be more than enough time for the team to set up 5 yards further down the field.

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Thank you for reading the original post - a hypothetical situation.

Had it been a one yard pass with the game on the line with Baylor hurrying up to spike the ball and try a short field goal, the ref says, "sorry, I goofed and I'm going to remove those 8 seconds left on the clock so you can't try that field goal. Sorry. "

Eli said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Are you guys mental??

The argument isn't that in the game yesterday there were ten seconds left after that play instead of four. The point is that in general, the rule itself is flawed because hypothetically if a team had 10 seconds left, then an incorrect out of bounds call by the ref would charge the team with a 10 second runoff and thus end the half or game, thus eliminating any chance for the team to run another play - but that's the REF'S fault, not the team's fault! Had the referee NOT made the wrong call, then the team would have had ten seconds left, which in our case would have been plenty of time to hurry up and run another play.

And for those who think ten seconds would not have been enough time - how long have you been watching football?? It probably wouldn't be enough time if, say, the play before had been a really long pass completion because then the whole team would have to run down the field a long way to set up at the line. But if the play was a 5-yard out route to the sideline? Ten seconds would be more than enough time for the team to set up 5 yards further down the field.

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Thank you for reading the original post - a hypothetical situation.

Had it been a one yard pass with the game on the line with Baylor hurrying up to spike the ball and try a short field goal, the ref says, "sorry, I goofed and I'm going to remove those 8 seconds left on the clock so you can't try that field goal. Sorry. "

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I just don't get what's so hard to understand about that. I was questioning the same thing too after that call before halftime. Not many thinkers in this forum.

Porteroso said:

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I thought there were 5, but maybe the point that 10 seconds is too much, is a good one. Maybe a 5 second runoff is better. Runoffs for ref mistakes should never penalize a team.

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The point wasn't that 10 seconds is too much, it's that there shouldn't be any time taken away at all. It's not the team's mistake, it's the ref's, so why the penalty? Look at what you said, it makes no sense - you said "Runoffs for ref mistakes should never penalize a team" but then you suggest there still should be a penalty, only a lesser one.

Saying that a "5 second runoff is better" for something that shouldn't even be penalized in the first place is like arguing that a person who is totally innocent of a crime but was arrested due to a policeman's bad mistake shouldn't have to serve the ten year sentence in jail as punishment.....he should only have to serve five.

Folks, read and think about what you are posting.

The TCU game in 2022 says "Hi".

In the 2022 game, TCU's next to last play was a run inbounds with no timeouts. The referee didn't get the ball to even get it ready to play until there were about 13 seconds to play. TCU got the ball snapped with 3 seconds left and kicked the winning field goal. TCU had to run all the players on and off the field in 10 seconds. The situation on Saturday did not require teams running on and off the field and the ball was in the same general area of where the play started and the next one would start. But I think it does say that some situations can be handled within 10 seconds.

Whether the rule is fair or not, I don't know. Perhaps they have done studies to say that 10 seconds overall is reasonable and for consistency must be applied in all situations. But there are situations where 10 seconds would be more than enough.

You are expecting clarity from a team of refs who can't count to 12?