Bye bye to mustard and pickle? Return to traditional Baylor colors?
“Life is short, eat desert first!”
A few weeks ago, Baylor athletic director Doug McNamee sat down with SicEm365’s Colt Barber to discuss a variety of topics, including the importance of fan engagement.
After spending the last seven years as a fan, McNamee sees things from the perspective of not necessarily one of a corporate outsider but of someone deeply involved and tied into the Baylor family.
ImABearToo said:
Bye bye to mustard and pickle? Return to traditional Baylor colors?
From what he's said, I think McNamee understands that winning is the most important thing. Without that component, nothing else matters.JudgeBear1845 said:ImABearToo said:
Bye bye to mustard and pickle? Return to traditional Baylor colors?
While I don't disagree about the colors, changing colors won't mean **** if we can't be competitive on the field or court. If changing the colors is actually a plan of the AD to better connect with fans, then he is as clueless as the rest of the administration.
Just win. If current coaches can't win, then get different coaches that can.
Blaming McNamee for not reversing a decision that was made above his head before his arrival is silly.Baylorbears111 said:
Doug cares about anything but the actual problems. He has failed to make the necessary changes for the football program. Doug has not demonstrated himself to be anything other than a puppet for the current admin. He wants to engage the fans but refuses to fix the product.
It is a common obfuscation tactic to ignore greater problems and focus on the small things so you can signal activity and visible change to "something". "Brand consistency" and uniforms, beer at the stadium, tailgates are items that get frequently brought up and they are all a sideshow. The AD still has the same staff in the same roles doing the same things.
I don't care about what flavor of ice cream we sell when the shop is on fire.
Some might find Doug endearing, but it is hard to find any appreciation until he actually does something to get this show back on track.
bear2be2 said:Baylorbears111 said:
Doug cares about anything but the actual problems. He has failed to make the necessary changes for the football program. Doug has not demonstrated himself to be anything other than a puppet for the current admin. He wants to engage the fans but refuses to fix the product.
It is a common obfuscation tactic to ignore greater problems and focus on the small things so you can signal activity and visible change to "something". "Brand consistency" and uniforms, beer at the stadium, tailgates are items that get frequently brought up and they are all a sideshow. The AD still has the same staff in the same roles doing the same things.
I don't care about what flavor of ice cream we sell when the shop is on fire.
Some might find Doug endearing, but it is hard to find any appreciation until he actually does something to get this show back on track.
Blaming McNamee for not reversing a decision that was made above his head before his arrival is silly.
I'm not even a Doug McNamee guy and also want(ed) Aranda fired, but this is not a fair criticism.
McNamee will (and should) be judged by the decisions he makes from next season onward. Anything else falls at the feet of Rhoades and Livingstone.
In the meantime, I'll accept saying the right things and an acknowledgement of obvious shortcomings as a commitment to addressing those things moving forward. Because a) that's all he can realistically do right now. And b) it's far more than we ever got from his aloof and out-of-touch predecessor.
Quote:
After careful evaluation and consideration, we have decided to retain Coach Dave Aranda as the leader of our football program. We recognize this decision will generate strong opinions. Let me be clear: Baylor expects excellence, accountability and competitiveness at the highest level. We are not complacent, and we are not settling for mediocrity.
This decision reflects several critical factors:
- Stability during transition: Our next Vice President and Director of Intercollegiate Athletics must have the opportunity to assess the football program and chart its long-term direction;Student-athlete experience: Retaining our current roster and protecting a nationally ranked recruiting class are essential to our future success; and
We acknowledge the frustrations many of you feel, and we share in them. Baylor Football has experienced both historic highs and challenging seasons under Coach Aranda. While we celebrate the Big 12 Championship and Sugar Bowl victory in 2021, we know this season has not met our shared expectations.
- Financial stewardship: In an era of extreme volatility in college athletics with NIL, the transfer portal, revenue-sharing, and much more, this approach allows us to invest wisely in the program's future rather than incur significant buyout costs during an unprecedented turnover of coaches across the country.
Please know that our team respects and loves playing for Coach Aranda. I can also attest he aligns with Baylor's Christian mission and is an incredible ambassador for our University.
Our strength as a university has always come from our ability to stand together students, alumni, faculty and staff, and fans united by faith and shared purpose. While opinions may differ, our commitment to supporting our student-athletes and representing Baylor with integrity must remain unwavering. Let us rally behind our team, encourage one another and demonstrate the unity that makes Baylor special.
Your support emotional, spiritual and financial matters tremendously. Our student-athletes deserve a program that makes you proud, and we remain committed to building a team that competes for championships and reflects Baylor's values.
Our search for a new Athletics Director is underway, and I am confident we will welcome a new leader who will usher in a new era of competitive success and embrace our fans in new and exciting ways. Thank you for standing with us through both the challenges and the celebrations.
Baylorbears111 said:bear2be2 said:Baylorbears111 said:
Doug cares about anything but the actual problems. He has failed to make the necessary changes for the football program. Doug has not demonstrated himself to be anything other than a puppet for the current admin. He wants to engage the fans but refuses to fix the product.
It is a common obfuscation tactic to ignore greater problems and focus on the small things so you can signal activity and visible change to "something". "Brand consistency" and uniforms, beer at the stadium, tailgates are items that get frequently brought up and they are all a sideshow. The AD still has the same staff in the same roles doing the same things.
I don't care about what flavor of ice cream we sell when the shop is on fire.
Some might find Doug endearing, but it is hard to find any appreciation until he actually does something to get this show back on track.
Blaming McNamee for not reversing a decision that was made above his head before his arrival is silly.
I'm not even a Doug McNamee guy and also want(ed) Aranda fired, but this is not a fair criticism.
McNamee will (and should) be judged by the decisions he makes from next season onward. Anything else falls at the feet of Rhoades and Livingstone.
In the meantime, I'll accept saying the right things and an acknowledgement of obvious shortcomings as a commitment to addressing those things moving forward. Because a) that's all he can realistically do right now. And b) it's far more than we ever got from his aloof and out-of-touch predecessor.
Was Mack going to fire Dave? Was Livingstone?
Reading between the lines of her statement:Quote:
After careful evaluation and consideration, we have decided to retain Coach Dave Aranda as the leader of our football program. We recognize this decision will generate strong opinions. Let me be clear: Baylor expects excellence, accountability and competitiveness at the highest level. We are not complacent, and we are not settling for mediocrity.
This decision reflects several critical factors:
- Stability during transition: Our next Vice President and Director of Intercollegiate Athletics must have the opportunity to assess the football program and chart its long-term direction;Student-athlete experience: Retaining our current roster and protecting a nationally ranked recruiting class are essential to our future success; and
We acknowledge the frustrations many of you feel, and we share in them. Baylor Football has experienced both historic highs and challenging seasons under Coach Aranda. While we celebrate the Big 12 Championship and Sugar Bowl victory in 2021, we know this season has not met our shared expectations.
- Financial stewardship: In an era of extreme volatility in college athletics with NIL, the transfer portal, revenue-sharing, and much more, this approach allows us to invest wisely in the program's future rather than incur significant buyout costs during an unprecedented turnover of coaches across the country.
Please know that our team respects and loves playing for Coach Aranda. I can also attest he aligns with Baylor's Christian mission and is an incredible ambassador for our University.
Our strength as a university has always come from our ability to stand together students, alumni, faculty and staff, and fans united by faith and shared purpose. While opinions may differ, our commitment to supporting our student-athletes and representing Baylor with integrity must remain unwavering. Let us rally behind our team, encourage one another and demonstrate the unity that makes Baylor special.
Your support emotional, spiritual and financial matters tremendously. Our student-athletes deserve a program that makes you proud, and we remain committed to building a team that competes for championships and reflects Baylor's values.
Our search for a new Athletics Director is underway, and I am confident we will welcome a new leader who will usher in a new era of competitive success and embrace our fans in new and exciting ways. Thank you for standing with us through both the challenges and the celebrations.
Reading from Livingstone's statement, point number one in the retention of Dave was so that the new AD would have the opportunity to review the program. This is again reinforced in their retention statement at the bottom as she again signals that they are looking for an AD first.
Well, they rushed the AD hiring process to bring on Doug. I can understand that rushing if the goal was to make a quick decision on Dave. Timing is important. But then Doug did nothing and has still done nothing. So did Livingstone lie when she signaled it was the AD's decision to make or is she being honest (in which case the blame lies on Doug at this juncture.)
Worse, we've thrown money at a 1-year DC and apparently punted the entire 2026 season as being unsalvageable before play even begins and yet we have also sought out Lagway to try to salvage the unsalvageable.
This is a bunch of half-hearted decision making without any clear commitment or direction one way or the other. Being indecisive is worse than making the wrong decision. There is no difference between Doug and Mack on these fronts.
Does Doug not have the authority to make these decisions as AD? If not, then Doug is a stooge and I question what purpose he serves besides being just the most recent face of the decline of Baylor athletics.
Any benefit of the doubt for Doug went out the window the second they decided to continue to ride the Aranda train and hired Klanderman.
Youre a clown said:
Yeah, it has nothing to do with the uniforms, although I think our current ones are kind of ho hum.
For me, I don't think our leadership really has a long-term vision or plan for our athletic department in how we can stop treading water (or drowning) in most of our sports and start swimming. Is it even possible in this conference? Do we need to ask ourselves tough questions about whether we should move to a less competitive conference?
canoso said:Youre a clown said:
Yeah, it has nothing to do with the uniforms, although I think our current ones are kind of ho hum.
For me, I don't think our leadership really has a long-term vision or plan for our athletic department in how we can stop treading water (or drowning) in most of our sports and start swimming. Is it even possible in this conference? Do we need to ask ourselves tough questions about whether we should move to a less competitive conference?
It's entirely possible in this conference. Looking for an easier path is wimpy. Why stoop to that in any context as a university?
Youre a clown said:canoso said:Youre a clown said:
Yeah, it has nothing to do with the uniforms, although I think our current ones are kind of ho hum.
For me, I don't think our leadership really has a long-term vision or plan for our athletic department in how we can stop treading water (or drowning) in most of our sports and start swimming. Is it even possible in this conference? Do we need to ask ourselves tough questions about whether we should move to a less competitive conference?
It's entirely possible in this conference. Looking for an easier path is wimpy. Why stoop to that in any context as a university?
"It's entirely possible in this conference" is not a very helpful statement. A lot of things are possible. I could win the lottery if I spend enough money, but is it wise to do so? Frankly, if it's all that simple, Doug should hire you as his brain trust.
Doug probably isn't blowing up your phone begging you to donate thousands if not millions to buy a bunch of one year player rentals, only to see a downward trend (to put it politely. We suck) in both football and men's basketball. I'd love to hear your path forward for us to secure better talent year after year after year after year as well as explore new revenue streams. every other team is constantly going to do the same, so it will be an example of high tide raising every boat in the harbor. Examples of this would be alcohol in the stadium and naming rights for jerseys. You can get on your hands and knees and beg donors to open their pocketbook, but that is simply not sustainable for a private university like us.
As far as Wimpy, I personally think it's wimpy just staying in a conference that you obviously can't compete in while operating in the red in your athletic department. But hey, maybe they will sell booze at games to help take the edge off
This is an unhinged take. The guy's been on the job for fewer than two months. Who would you have suggested we hire if we had managed to round up the money for Aranda's buyout (which sounds like it wasn't going to happen at the buyout level this year)? We missed this coaching cycle, for better or worse, and all the coaches we would have considered were already in other jobs by the time we would have gotten around to them.Baylorbears111 said:bear2be2 said:Baylorbears111 said:
Doug cares about anything but the actual problems. He has failed to make the necessary changes for the football program. Doug has not demonstrated himself to be anything other than a puppet for the current admin. He wants to engage the fans but refuses to fix the product.
It is a common obfuscation tactic to ignore greater problems and focus on the small things so you can signal activity and visible change to "something". "Brand consistency" and uniforms, beer at the stadium, tailgates are items that get frequently brought up and they are all a sideshow. The AD still has the same staff in the same roles doing the same things.
I don't care about what flavor of ice cream we sell when the shop is on fire.
Some might find Doug endearing, but it is hard to find any appreciation until he actually does something to get this show back on track.
Blaming McNamee for not reversing a decision that was made above his head before his arrival is silly.
I'm not even a Doug McNamee guy and also want(ed) Aranda fired, but this is not a fair criticism.
McNamee will (and should) be judged by the decisions he makes from next season onward. Anything else falls at the feet of Rhoades and Livingstone.
In the meantime, I'll accept saying the right things and an acknowledgement of obvious shortcomings as a commitment to addressing those things moving forward. Because a) that's all he can realistically do right now. And b) it's far more than we ever got from his aloof and out-of-touch predecessor.
Was Mack going to fire Dave? Was Livingstone?
Reading between the lines of her statement:Quote:
After careful evaluation and consideration, we have decided to retain Coach Dave Aranda as the leader of our football program. We recognize this decision will generate strong opinions. Let me be clear: Baylor expects excellence, accountability and competitiveness at the highest level. We are not complacent, and we are not settling for mediocrity.
This decision reflects several critical factors:
- Stability during transition: Our next Vice President and Director of Intercollegiate Athletics must have the opportunity to assess the football program and chart its long-term direction;Student-athlete experience: Retaining our current roster and protecting a nationally ranked recruiting class are essential to our future success; and
We acknowledge the frustrations many of you feel, and we share in them. Baylor Football has experienced both historic highs and challenging seasons under Coach Aranda. While we celebrate the Big 12 Championship and Sugar Bowl victory in 2021, we know this season has not met our shared expectations.
- Financial stewardship: In an era of extreme volatility in college athletics with NIL, the transfer portal, revenue-sharing, and much more, this approach allows us to invest wisely in the program's future rather than incur significant buyout costs during an unprecedented turnover of coaches across the country.
Please know that our team respects and loves playing for Coach Aranda. I can also attest he aligns with Baylor's Christian mission and is an incredible ambassador for our University.
Our strength as a university has always come from our ability to stand together students, alumni, faculty and staff, and fans united by faith and shared purpose. While opinions may differ, our commitment to supporting our student-athletes and representing Baylor with integrity must remain unwavering. Let us rally behind our team, encourage one another and demonstrate the unity that makes Baylor special.
Your support emotional, spiritual and financial matters tremendously. Our student-athletes deserve a program that makes you proud, and we remain committed to building a team that competes for championships and reflects Baylor's values.
Our search for a new Athletics Director is underway, and I am confident we will welcome a new leader who will usher in a new era of competitive success and embrace our fans in new and exciting ways. Thank you for standing with us through both the challenges and the celebrations.
Reading from Livingstone's statement, point number one in the retention of Dave was so that the new AD would have the opportunity to review the program. This is again reinforced in their retention statement at the bottom as she again signals that they are looking for an AD first.
Well, they rushed the AD hiring process to bring on Doug. I can understand that rushing if the goal was to make a quick decision on Dave. Timing is important. But then Doug did nothing and has still done nothing. So did Livingstone lie when she signaled it was the AD's decision to make or is she being honest (in which case the blame lies on Doug at this juncture.)
Worse, we've thrown money at a 1-year DC and apparently punted the entire 2026 season as being unsalvageable before play even begins and yet we have also sought out Lagway to try to salvage the unsalvageable.
This is a bunch of half-hearted decision making without any clear commitment or direction one way or the other. Being indecisive is worse than making the wrong decision. There is no difference between Doug and Mack on these fronts.
Does Doug not have the authority to make these decisions as AD? If not, then Doug is a stooge and I question what purpose he serves besides being just the most recent face of the decline of Baylor athletics.
Any benefit of the doubt for Doug went out the window the second they decided to continue to ride the Aranda train and hired Klanderman.
datboiquadzilla said:
Day after day I am reminded how Doug McNamee was the right person for the AD job.
This is one of those days.
drahthaar said:datboiquadzilla said:
Day after day I am reminded how Doug McNamee was the right person for the AD job.
This is one of those days.
We'll see, but for now he's making the correct comments and setting the right tone. How his inexperience in an AD role plays out is crucial but his connecting to BU folks seems solid, which I suspect was the prime reason for his hire.
I'd love to know where I've ever said we don't have the NIL capacity to be competitive in the Big 12. You just pulled that out of your ass because I've consistently said the opposite.Youre a clown said:
Flip flop flip flop. I've seen you state that NIL isn't sustainable for a program like Baylor, and yet you are outraged that I dare suggest that we may need to leave the big 12 sometime in the future?
I'm seeing a lot of bravado and a lot of hope, but no clear path forward beyond "anything is possible if you hire a great coach". And yet, the fact that Joey was mid before he got a huge influx of money proves that simply hiring a coach is not a viable solution in it of itself for the Big 12. At the end of the day, you are still faced with the issue of having to consistently purchase one year rentals year after year. That is what Baylor is going to struggle to do
Again, it's easy for us fans that probably are not big donors to talk a tough game, but if you're a big money donor and Doug is begging you for millions every year to buy rentals? I think your perspective might change.
But no, I doubt that our decision makers would ever vote to leave the conference. What person votes themselves out of a job? That would be like expecting Congress to enact term limits, lol. People want to get a paycheck playing solitaire on their computer all day, and there are a lot of jobs like that in a modern athletic department