Big12 bowl slots:

1. CFP
2. Alamo
3. Pop-tarts
4. Texas
5. Liberty
6. Rate
7. Armed Forces
8. First responder

With Independence as a possible wild card 9th.

BUT….any former PAC12 school is eligible for any former Pac12 bowl slot, picked in the following order:


1. Alamo
2. Holiday
3. Las Vegas
4. Sun
5. LA
6. Independence

However, of the 12 former PAC-12 schools:

Utah, Arizona, UCLA, Stanford and OreSt are not bowl eligible.
Oregon is a lock for the CFP.
ArizSt may make the CFP.
Washington, USC and Cal all finished 6-6.
Leaving only Colorado (9-3) and WashSt (8-4, but on a 3 game losing streak) as decent Pac12 bowl appointments, unless IowaSt wins the Big12. And one of those three could end up in the Alamo bowl against another Big12 opponent.

So if IowaSt makes the CFP, and Colorado and ArizSt take PAC12 slots, then Alamo/Pop-Tart/Texas/Liberty choose between BYU, BU, Tech, TCU and KSt (all 8-4 and above).

If ArizSt wins and makes the CFP, IowaSt falls to Alamo, BYU likely to Pop-Tart, then Texas chooses between BU, Tech, TCU and KSt. We have scoreboard on Tech/TCU and finished ahead of KSt, but who knows what matchup the bowl wants.

I think it would take a major screw job for us to fall below Liberty to the Cure bowl, but who knows. I am still convinced that Mack took the Armed Forces Bowl 2 years ago thinking he could save on travel and wouldn't have to house and feed the team after Christmas, and it blew up in his face.

whitetrash said:

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Big12 bowl slots:

1. CFP
2. Alamo
3. Pop-tarts
4. Texas
5. Liberty
6. Rate
7. Armed Forces
8. First responder

With Independence as a possible wild card 9th.

BUT….any former PAC12 school is eligible for any former Pac12 bowl slot, picked in the following order:


1. Alamo
2. Holiday
3. Las Vegas
4. Sun
5. LA
6. Independence

However, of the 12 former PAC-12 schools:

Utah, Arizona, UCLA, Stanford and OreSt are not bowl eligible.
Oregon is a lock for the CFP.
ArizSt may make the CFP.
Washington, USC and Cal all finished 6-6.
Leaving only Colorado (9-3) and WashSt (8-4, but on a 3 game losing streak) as decent Pac12 bowl appointments, unless IowaSt wins the Big12. And one of those three could end up in the Alamo bowl against another Big12 opponent.

So if IowaSt makes the CFP, and Colorado and ArizSt take PAC12 slots, then Alamo/Pop-Tart/Texas/Liberty choose between BYU, BU, Tech, TCU and KSt (all 8-4 and above).

If ArizSt wins and makes the CFP, IowaSt falls to Alamo, BYU likely to Pop-Tart, then Texas chooses between BU, Tech, TCU and KSt. We have scoreboard and Tech/TCU and finished ahead of KSt, but who knows what matchup the bowl wants.

I think it would take a major screw job for us to fall below Liberty to the Cure bowl, but who knows. I am still convinced that Mack took the Armed Forces Bowl 2 years ago thinking he could save on travel and wouldn't have to house and feed the team after Christmas, and it blew up in his face.

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Thank you for breaking it down. Do you know if those PAC12 tie-ins go away next year?

Alamodome

Guitarbiscuit said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Probably the Texas Bowl. I'd love a SEC match up. BYU likely gets the Alamo Bowl and this would be for the best. There would be nothing more underwhelming than a likely rematch against Colorado (legacy Pac-12 bid).

And please no Armed Forces Bowl. Ugh.

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Armed Forces Bowl would be my least favorite too. I looked up the payout, and it sucks.

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Somebody will need to correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't believe that individual teams get to keep the payout. I'm pretty sure it goes to the big 12 and gets split evenly in some predetermined manner.

And yes, the armed forces bowl is probably the worst bowl game that there is

Now we're talking!

Daveisabovereproach said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Probably the Texas Bowl. I'd love a SEC match up. BYU likely gets the Alamo Bowl and this would be for the best. There would be nothing more underwhelming than a likely rematch against Colorado (legacy Pac-12 bid).

And please no Armed Forces Bowl. Ugh.

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Armed Forces Bowl would be my least favorite too. I looked up the payout, and it sucks.

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Somebody will need to correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't believe that individual teams get to keep the payout. I'm pretty sure it goes to the big 12 and gets split evenly in some predetermined manner.

And yes, the armed forces bowl is probably the worst bowl game that there is

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I think you're right. Looks like most conferences just split it evenly. I saw something online that the SEC may give a bit more to the team playing if the payout is over a certain amount but that might be old news.

I suppose I do look at payouts still, as it helps me determine the prestige of the bowl. And no, I am not sure that payouts are a proper way to determine prestige, but I like to do it like that.

Daveisabovereproach said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Probably the Texas Bowl. I'd love a SEC match up. BYU likely gets the Alamo Bowl and this would be for the best. There would be nothing more underwhelming than a likely rematch against Colorado (legacy Pac-12 bid).

And please no Armed Forces Bowl. Ugh.

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Armed Forces Bowl would be my least favorite too. I looked up the payout, and it sucks.

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Somebody will need to correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't believe that individual teams get to keep the payout. I'm pretty sure it goes to the big 12 and gets split evenly in some predetermined manner.

And yes, the armed forces bowl is probably the worst bowl game that there is

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Believe it or not, I looked up some bowls-not Big 12 related. And there are some truly low end bowls out there with payouts of 300k or so. Seems the cost to actually get to these bowls would exceed the revenue gained.

Give me Liberty or give me death



Bowl that is…. vs SEC opponent

Guitarbiscuit said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Probably the Texas Bowl. I'd love a SEC match up. BYU likely gets the Alamo Bowl and this would be for the best. There would be nothing more underwhelming than a likely rematch against Colorado (legacy Pac-12 bid).

And please no Armed Forces Bowl. Ugh.

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Armed Forces Bowl would be my least favorite too. I looked up the payout, and it sucks.

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Somebody will need to correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't believe that individual teams get to keep the payout. I'm pretty sure it goes to the big 12 and gets split evenly in some predetermined manner.

And yes, the armed forces bowl is probably the worst bowl game that there is

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Believe it or not, I looked up some bowls-not Big 12 related. And there are some truly low end bowls out there with payouts of 300k or so. Seems the cost to actually get to these bowls would exceed the revenue gained.

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I would assume for the armed forces bowl that they would just take a few team buses. I don't know if teams actually have to pay their hotel expenses. I thought that the bowl sponsor covered that. Again, somebody correct me if I'm wrong

Jerry Palm at CBS is not paying very close attention, as he predicts:

ArizSt to CFP
BYU v Colo in Alamo
IowaSt v Clemson in Pop-Tart (met there 2 years ago)
TCU v LSU in Texas
KST v Vandy in Liberty
Tech v Rutgers in Rate
BU v Tulane in Armed Forces
WV v Arky in Birmingham

As laughable as that is, would (almost) be worth it if his prediction came true of:

OU v Jacksonville St in the Scooter's Coffee Frisco Bowl

Many of your favorite players from this season will enter the Transfer Portal this month. Poor leadership from the NCAA has made this worse, as they shortened the transfer portal window to Dec 9-28, and closes before many bowl games. Was Dec 4-Jan 2 last year.

— RedditCFB (@RedditCFB) December 1, 2024

Daveisabovereproach said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Probably the Texas Bowl. I'd love a SEC match up. BYU likely gets the Alamo Bowl and this would be for the best. There would be nothing more underwhelming than a likely rematch against Colorado (legacy Pac-12 bid).

And please no Armed Forces Bowl. Ugh.

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Armed Forces Bowl would be my least favorite too. I looked up the payout, and it sucks.

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Somebody will need to correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't believe that individual teams get to keep the payout. I'm pretty sure it goes to the big 12 and gets split evenly in some predetermined manner.

And yes, the armed forces bowl is probably the worst bowl game that there is

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Believe it or not, I looked up some bowls-not Big 12 related. And there are some truly low end bowls out there with payouts of 300k or so. Seems the cost to actually get to these bowls would exceed the revenue gained.

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I would assume for the armed forces bowl that they would just take a few team buses. I don't know if teams actually have to pay their hotel expenses. I thought that the bowl sponsor covered that. Again, somebody correct me if I'm wrong

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I have no clue on these points, but I do know that schools have routinely lost money on the low paying bowls. Then there's the need for enough of the fanbase to purchase bowl tickets, and if there are not enough sales, then that eats into the margin.

whitetrash said:

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Jerry Palm at CBS is not paying very close attention, as he predicts:

ArizSt to CFP
BYU v Colo in Alamo
IowaSt v Clemson in Pop-Tart (met there 2 years ago)
TCU v LSU in Texas
KST v Vandy in Liberty
Tech v Rutgers in Rate
BU v Tulane in Armed Forces
WV v Arky in Birmingham

As laughable as that is, would (almost) be worth it if his prediction came true of:

OU v Jacksonville St in the Scooter's Coffee Frisco Bowl

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The armed forces bowl doesn't have to take one of the Service academies? I guess I'm learning something new every day

Daveisabovereproach said:

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whitetrash said:

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Jerry Palm at CBS is not paying very close attention, as he predicts:

ArizSt to CFP
BYU v Colo in Alamo
IowaSt v Clemson in Pop-Tart (met there 2 years ago)
TCU v LSU in Texas
KST v Vandy in Liberty
Tech v Rutgers in Rate
BU v Tulane in Armed Forces
WV v Arky in Birmingham

As laughable as that is, would (almost) be worth it if his prediction came true of:

OU v Jacksonville St in the Scooter's Coffee Frisco Bowl

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The armed forces bowl doesn't have to take one of the Service academies? I guess I'm learning something new every day

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I think it does if one is available (most likely Navy this year). Which again shows Palm isn't paying attention.

ESPN is projecting Colorado to play in the Alamo Bowl vs. BYU. pic.twitter.com/gOgd9L4URX

— Scott Procter (@ScottProcter_) December 1, 2024

Who knows. I looked at cbs sports, sports illustrated, athlon sports and the sporting news and each one had a different guess.

Brett projecting BU vs Arky in Texas Bowl

My bowl projections entering conference title games. @CFBPlayoff: Oregon, Texas, SMU, Arizona St; Tennessee at Ohio St; UNLV at Notre Dame; Bama at Penn St; Indiana at Georgia. Also, Pop-Tarts: Miami-Iowa St; Alamo: Colorado-BYU; Pinstripe: Michigan-BChttps://t.co/KaXB62qUsx

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) December 2, 2024

boognish_bear said:

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Brett projecting BU vs Arky in Texas Bowl

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I don't really enjoy the Texas Bowl, but it's close and that's a fun matchup.

Stefano DiMera said:

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Probably the 5th time you've posted that.

Never met a male so focused on tampons.

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No need to be pissy. It was just a joke. Baylor Football is 8-4 and should certainly accept their participation trophy. Life is good.

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Probably the 5th time you've posted that.

Never met a male so focused on tampons.

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No need to be pissy. It was just a joke. Baylor Football is 8-4 and should certainly accept their participation trophy. Life is good.

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Its not about participation trophies. It is about 15 extra practices, recruiting narrative, and general perception of the program.

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Outside of the bowl game, there is no evidence whatsoever that the extra practices benefit the future of the program.

I do see value in the recruiting narrative and general perception of a program, though.

If you win.

I'm not completely sold on Aranda, but it's weird to be dissatisfied about this current season. With the current 12 team playoff, every bowl game that isn't a playoff game is basically a participation trophy if you want to look at it in a glass half-full perspective

jikespingleton said:

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blackie said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Probably the 5th time you've posted that.

Never met a male so focused on tampons.

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No need to be pissy. It was just a joke. Baylor Football is 8-4 and should certainly accept their participation trophy. Life is good.

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Its not about participation trophies. It is about 15 extra practices, recruiting narrative, and general perception of the program.

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Outside of the bowl game, there is no evidence whatsoever that the extra practices benefit the future of the program.

I do see value in the recruiting narrative and general perception of a program, though.

If you win.

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You'd obviously rather win the bowl game, but making a bowl is better than not making one for perception either way. Teams that made a bowl are generally viewed as successful or at least mediocre. Not making a bowl game these days is a sign of failure.

And an extra 3 weeks of practice has got to be valuable. How much? Who knows, but you get better by working and playing.

boognish_bear said:

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Many of your favorite players from this season will enter the Transfer Portal this month. Poor leadership from the NCAA has made this worse, as they shortened the transfer portal window to Dec 9-28, and closes before many bowl games. Was Dec 4-Jan 2 last year.

— RedditCFB (@RedditCFB) December 1, 2024

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The college football schedule is ridiculous. No recruiting activity (high school or transfer) should be allowed from the end of the regular season to the final game of the CFP.

Make players stay on rosters and coaches lead their teams until seasons are actually over.

blackie said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Probably the 5th time you've posted that.

Never met a male so focused on tampons.

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No need to be pissy. It was just a joke. Baylor Football is 8-4 and should certainly accept their participation trophy. Life is good.

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Its not about participation trophies. It is about 15 extra practices, recruiting narrative, and general perception of the program.

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And the momentum we can take into next season.

Both our 2013 championship team and our 2019 Sugar Bowl team benefitted greatly from the boost they got off "mediocre" bowl wins.

Daveisabovereproach said:

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every bowl game that isn't a playoff game is basically a participation trophy if you want to look at it in a glass half-full perspective

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I look at bowl games as being 'outside of the sport'. Except for CCG's, the season is over. Bowls aren't anything except exhibition games that have been created to make money for a handful of people. Outside of a handful of bowls, the bowls don't move you further into the playoffs and therefore don't mean anything.

You and I can create an organization, obtain funding for it, get a sponsorship from Proctor and Gamble and call it the Pepto Bismol bowl. We can invite teams and hand out pepto bismol to all of the players. We can crown the winner of the game the Pepto Bismol Champ.

whoop de do

bear2be2 said:

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blackie said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Probably the 5th time you've posted that.

Never met a male so focused on tampons.

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No need to be pissy. It was just a joke. Baylor Football is 8-4 and should certainly accept their participation trophy. Life is good.

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Its not about participation trophies. It is about 15 extra practices, recruiting narrative, and general perception of the program.

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Both our 2013 championship team and our 2019 Sugar Bowl team benefitted greatly from the boost they got off "mediocre" bowl wins.

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How did they benefit greatly and which specific bowl wins are you referring to?

If what you claim is true, then wouldn't we have been hurt greatly by the loss to UCF in the Fiesta bowl in 2013 and the loss to Georgia in 2019? Seems to me that we did just fine in 2014 and in 2021 after Covid and CDA got his feet wet.

blackie said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Probably the 5th time you've posted that.

Never met a male so focused on tampons.

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No need to be pissy. It was just a joke. Baylor Football is 8-4 and should certainly accept their participation trophy. Life is good.

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Its not about participation trophies. It is about 15 extra practices, recruiting narrative, and general perception of the program.

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Absolutely. Saying they don't mean anything is not correct. The players know it means something too, just last week the QB for Cal was in full tears of happiness during his post-game interview because they got Bowl Eligible.

Daveisabovereproach said:

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I'm not completely sold on Aranda, but it's weird to be dissatisfied about this current season. With the current 12 team playoff, every bowl game that isn't a playoff game is basically a participation trophy if you want to look at it in a glass half-full perspective

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You play to win. A bowl is another opportunity to play football. If you take that for granted, you should question how much you like football.

jikespingleton said:

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blackie said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Probably the 5th time you've posted that.

Never met a male so focused on tampons.

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No need to be pissy. It was just a joke. Baylor Football is 8-4 and should certainly accept their participation trophy. Life is good.

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Its not about participation trophies. It is about 15 extra practices, recruiting narrative, and general perception of the program.

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Outside of the bowl game, there is no evidence whatsoever that the extra practices benefit the future of the program.

I do see value in the recruiting narrative and general perception of a program, though.

If you win.

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Nobody outside the fan base even remembers who wins or loses bowl games even weeks after the season. Recruits certainly don't. I want to win the bowl game, obviously, but it's not going to change the overall trajectory of the program if we lose our bowl game.

jikespingleton said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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every bowl game that isn't a playoff game is basically a participation trophy if you want to look at it in a glass half-full perspective

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I look at bowl games as being 'outside of the sport'. Except for CCG's, the season is over. Bowls aren't anything except exhibition games that have been created to make money for a handful of people. Outside of a handful of bowls, the bowls don't move you further into the playoffs and therefore don't mean anything.

You and I can create an organization, obtain funding for it, get a sponsorship from Proctor and Gamble and call it the Pepto Bismol bowl. We can invite teams and hand out pepto bismol to all of the players. We can crown the winner of the game the Pepto Bismol Champ.

whoop de do

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Very strange comment on a football forum... So you don't like watching football unless the game is deemed worthy by some committee? Bowl games matter as much as any out of conference game. Every game matters if you're a sportsman.

jikespingleton said:

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bear2be2 said:

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blackie said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Probably the 5th time you've posted that.

Never met a male so focused on tampons.

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No need to be pissy. It was just a joke. Baylor Football is 8-4 and should certainly accept their participation trophy. Life is good.

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Its not about participation trophies. It is about 15 extra practices, recruiting narrative, and general perception of the program.

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Both our 2013 championship team and our 2019 Sugar Bowl team benefitted greatly from the boost they got off "mediocre" bowl wins.

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How did they benefit greatly and which specific bowl wins are you referring to?

If what you claim is true, then wouldn't we have been hurt greatly by the loss to UCF in the Fiesta bowl in 2013 and the loss to Georgia in 2019? Seems to me that we did just fine in 2014 and in 2021 after Covid and CDA got his feet wet.

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I think the game against UGA in 2019 showed our team exactly what they are up agaisnt if you face a Georgia or Bama team. It showed them that there is another level that those teams operate on and we saw them get to that level when they wrecked Ole Miss. Facing a mid tier team in a bowl is mostly meaningless but the 3 weeks of practice is beneficial to the younger players to get more reps. We are set up for a big year next year so every bit of practice time will help towards that.

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jikespingleton said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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every bowl game that isn't a playoff game is basically a participation trophy if you want to look at it in a glass half-full perspective

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I look at bowl games as being 'outside of the sport'. Except for CCG's, the season is over. Bowls aren't anything except exhibition games that have been created to make money for a handful of people. Outside of a handful of bowls, the bowls don't move you further into the playoffs and therefore don't mean anything.

You and I can create an organization, obtain funding for it, get a sponsorship from Proctor and Gamble and call it the Pepto Bismol bowl. We can invite teams and hand out pepto bismol to all of the players. We can crown the winner of the game the Pepto Bismol Champ.

whoop de do

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Very strange comment on a football forum... So you don't like watching football unless the game is deemed worthy by some committee? Bowl games matter as much as any out of conference game. Every game matters if you're a sportsman.

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I think bowl games are a stupid way to end a season, and I still agree with you. If the game is scheduled, you are held accountable to the result of it. You get credit for the win and criticism for the loss.

Competitors compete. And those who don't want to deserve to be punished for it.