BringBackRoyal said:

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PartyBear said:

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Texas with Mack Brown.

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Absolutely not.

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You are one of the few Horns who enjoyed the 14-21/22 period.

Robert Wilson said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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pitchspork said:

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hodedofome said:

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1a and 1b would be Briles and Leach. No other programs fell as much as those two after the firing, and have never recovered their previous stature.

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Since Briles was fired, we've been to 5 additional bowl games, 2 of which were NY6, and had the best single season in program history in 2021 while winning the Big 12.

We've been less consistently good overall for sure, but hard to say we never recovered our previous stature when we *literally had a season where we did better than we ever had before*.

Will this board ever wash the taste of Briles out of its mouth?

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We sucked out loud for 15 years before he got here. Then he brought Heisman winner, won a couple big 12 championships, beat up on UT and OU, had us in the national title / playoff conversation deep into seasons, and we fired him for non-football reasons. My guess is he will remain popular with a large contingent of Baylor fans forever.

I appreciate what both Aranda and Rhule have done at points, but we've been extremely up-and-down ever since Briles, and we've never been truly in the mix nationally since Briles. He had us on the lip of the cup and was just ramping up recruiting to match.

So, no. I'm happy to be 8-4 and headed to a bowl game. Excited about the future. But I also remember how badly we ****ed that up. It was peak Baylor behavior, and we forget it at our peril.

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What do you mean by "truly in the mix"?

Our 2019 team was a win over Oklahoma from getting into the playoff and our 2021 team gets in without an upset loss to TCU.

Both of those teams were in similar positions to our 2013 and 2014 teams -- which were our two best before those.

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Maybe a failure of semantics, but in 2013 and 14, we were ranked very high early and were in the conversation pretty much all year in part because of how we lit up the scoreboard. No one knew what to do with that, and it looked dangerous. The 2019 and 2021 teams were coming off such bad previous seasons that they had to win a long time to get on the radar, plus lots of close-ish wins against mediocre teams took a lot longer to make a splash. I do think 2019 would've played their way into it with a win over OU so I'd agree they were in the mix. The '21 team lost early-ish games to OSU and TCU and just wasn't really in the playoff picture because of that, but man did they close strong.

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If that 2021 team had beaten TCU and still defeated Oklahoma State in the Big 12 title game, it would have avenged the only regular season loss it had. It would have ended up in the playoff under those circumstances.

Unfortunately, we didn't take care of business in Fort Worth that year.

Dia del DougO said:

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Bill Belichick - Cleveland Browns

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He was nobody without Brady

Emory Bellard. Gone after losing to Baylor. Claims he was fired, A&M says he quit.

Chuckroast said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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pitchspork said:

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hodedofome said:

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1a and 1b would be Briles and Leach. No other programs fell as much as those two after the firing, and have never recovered their previous stature.

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Since Briles was fired, we've been to 5 additional bowl games, 2 of which were NY6, and had the best single season in program history in 2021 while winning the Big 12.

We've been less consistently good overall for sure, but hard to say we never recovered our previous stature when we *literally had a season where we did better than we ever had before*.

Will this board ever wash the taste of Briles out of its mouth?

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We sucked out loud for 15 years before he got here. Then he brought Heisman winner, won a couple big 12 championships, beat up on UT and OU, had us in the national title / playoff conversation deep into seasons, and we fired him for non-football reasons. My guess is he will remain popular with a large contingent of Baylor fans forever.

I appreciate what both Aranda and Rhule have done at points, but we've been extremely up-and-down ever since Briles, and we've never been truly in the mix nationally since Briles. He had us on the lip of the cup and was just ramping up recruiting to match.

So, no. I'm happy to be 8-4 and headed to a bowl game. Excited about the future. But I also remember how badly we ****ed that up. It was peak Baylor behavior, and we forget it at our peril.

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Succinctly and well said

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To build on that, Briles was intrumental in the decision to build McLane Stadium. True Drayton McLane, Jr., provided a tremendously appreciated gift of $260 mil for construction, but one has to wonder if that 260 would have been gifted for McLane Stadium if Briles hadn't produced on the gridiron?

Robert Wilson said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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pitchspork said:

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hodedofome said:

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1a and 1b would be Briles and Leach. No other programs fell as much as those two after the firing, and have never recovered their previous stature.

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Since Briles was fired, we've been to 5 additional bowl games, 2 of which were NY6, and had the best single season in program history in 2021 while winning the Big 12.

We've been less consistently good overall for sure, but hard to say we never recovered our previous stature when we *literally had a season where we did better than we ever had before*.

Will this board ever wash the taste of Briles out of its mouth?

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We sucked out loud for 15 years before he got here. Then he brought Heisman winner, won a couple big 12 championships, beat up on UT and OU, had us in the national title / playoff conversation deep into seasons, and we fired him for non-football reasons. My guess is he will remain popular with a large contingent of Baylor fans forever.

I appreciate what both Aranda and Rhule have done at points, but we've been extremely up-and-down ever since Briles, and we've never been truly in the mix nationally since Briles. He had us on the lip of the cup and was just ramping up recruiting to match.

So, no. I'm happy to be 8-4 and headed to a bowl game. Excited about the future. But I also remember how badly we ****ed that up. It was peak Baylor behavior, and we forget it at our peril.

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What do you mean by "truly in the mix"?

Our 2019 team was a win over Oklahoma from getting into the playoff and our 2021 team gets in without an upset loss to TCU.

Both of those teams were in similar positions to our 2013 and 2014 teams -- which were our two best before those.

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Maybe a failure of semantics, but in 2013 and 14, we were ranked very high early and were in the conversation pretty much all year in part because of how we lit up the scoreboard. No one knew what to do with that, and it looked dangerous. The 2019 and 2021 teams were coming off such bad previous seasons that they had to win a long time to get on the radar, plus lots of close-ish wins against mediocre teams took a lot longer to make a splash. I do think 2019 would've played their way into it with a win over OU so I'd agree they were in the mix. The '21 team lost early-ish games to OSU and TCU and just wasn't really in the playoff picture because of that, but man did they close strong.

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The reason I struggled with liking Rhule was that I think he had a low ceiling and was never going to have the type of success that Briles had. He seemed hell bent on dismantling the brand of football we had become known for and doing a 180. His brand of football was boring and old school, and he was struggling to get recruits to want to come here. The 2019 team looked good on paper, but I believe it was an anomaly where a week as schedule made us look better than we were.

Chuckroast said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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pitchspork said:

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hodedofome said:

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1a and 1b would be Briles and Leach. No other programs fell as much as those two after the firing, and have never recovered their previous stature.

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Since Briles was fired, we've been to 5 additional bowl games, 2 of which were NY6, and had the best single season in program history in 2021 while winning the Big 12.

We've been less consistently good overall for sure, but hard to say we never recovered our previous stature when we *literally had a season where we did better than we ever had before*.

Will this board ever wash the taste of Briles out of its mouth?

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We sucked out loud for 15 years before he got here. Then he brought Heisman winner, won a couple big 12 championships, beat up on UT and OU, had us in the national title / playoff conversation deep into seasons, and we fired him for non-football reasons. My guess is he will remain popular with a large contingent of Baylor fans forever.

I appreciate what both Aranda and Rhule have done at points, but we've been extremely up-and-down ever since Briles, and we've never been truly in the mix nationally since Briles. He had us on the lip of the cup and was just ramping up recruiting to match.

So, no. I'm happy to be 8-4 and headed to a bowl game. Excited about the future. But I also remember how badly we ****ed that up. It was peak Baylor behavior, and we forget it at our peril.

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What do you mean by "truly in the mix"?

Our 2019 team was a win over Oklahoma from getting into the playoff and our 2021 team gets in without an upset loss to TCU.

Both of those teams were in similar positions to our 2013 and 2014 teams -- which were our two best before those.

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Maybe a failure of semantics, but in 2013 and 14, we were ranked very high early and were in the conversation pretty much all year in part because of how we lit up the scoreboard. No one knew what to do with that, and it looked dangerous. The 2019 and 2021 teams were coming off such bad previous seasons that they had to win a long time to get on the radar, plus lots of close-ish wins against mediocre teams took a lot longer to make a splash. I do think 2019 would've played their way into it with a win over OU so I'd agree they were in the mix. The '21 team lost early-ish games to OSU and TCU and just wasn't really in the playoff picture because of that, but man did they close strong.

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The reason I struggled with liking Rhule was that I think he had a low ceiling and was never going to have the type of success that Briles had. He seemed hell bent on dismantling the brand of football we had become known for and doing a 180. His brand of football was boring and old school, and he was struggling to get recruits to want to come here. The 2019 team looked good on paper, but I believe it was an anomaly where a week as schedule made us look better than we were.

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little Matty = loser

USC - Clay Helton.

Better results than Lincoln Riley for half the price.

Thread would have been A+ if it was titled "Firing regerts"

Or firing regents.

PartyBear said:

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BringBackRoyal said:

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PartyBear said:

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Texas with Mack Brown.

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Absolutely not.

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You are one of the few Horns who enjoyed the 14-21/22 period.

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Perhaps your issue is you think the decline began in 2014. Mack Brown was fired for a reason, you know.

Texas's botching of the aftermath of his ouster doesn't negate the fact that he needed to go in the first place. Those are two separate matters.

BringBackRoyal said:

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PartyBear said:

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BringBackRoyal said:

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PartyBear said:

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Texas with Mack Brown.

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Absolutely not.

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You are one of the few Horns who enjoyed the 14-21/22 period.

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Perhaps your issue is you think the decline began in 2014. Mack Brown was fired for a reason, you know.

Texas's botching of the aftermath of his ouster doesn't negate the fact that he needed to go in the first place. Those are two separate matters.

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Probably could've re-constituted Mack with new coordinators and been better off than Texas was for the ensuing decade.

Robert Wilson said:

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BringBackRoyal said:

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PartyBear said:

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BringBackRoyal said:

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PartyBear said:

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Texas with Mack Brown.

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Absolutely not.

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You are one of the few Horns who enjoyed the 14-21/22 period.

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Perhaps your issue is you think the decline began in 2014. Mack Brown was fired for a reason, you know.

Texas's botching of the aftermath of his ouster doesn't negate the fact that he needed to go in the first place. Those are two separate matters.

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Probably could've re-constituted Mack with new coordinators and been better off than Texas was for the ensuing decade.

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We went through multiple coordinator and other staff changes in Mack's final years, and they were essentially all failures. The common denominator was Mack Brown.

Regardless, your post still misses the point. The question is not whether Texas could have been slightly less mediocre (or less awful, in several years) if they had kept Mack and tried to cover up his growing weaknesses. The question is whether Mack was capable of turning things around and producing at the level of 2001 to 2009. He had three seasons to show that he could do so following the 2010 disaster, and he failed to effectively address any of the program's core problems during that time. He resisted making several needed changes, and the ones he did make were utter flops. There was no positive trajectory. In fact, thanks to years of laziness and terrible evaluations in recruiting -- starting before it was evident to most outsiders that there were any problems -- there was every reason to believe that things were about about to get much worse.

CHP Bear said:

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Chuckroast said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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pitchspork said:

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hodedofome said:

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1a and 1b would be Briles and Leach. No other programs fell as much as those two after the firing, and have never recovered their previous stature.

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Since Briles was fired, we've been to 5 additional bowl games, 2 of which were NY6, and had the best single season in program history in 2021 while winning the Big 12.

We've been less consistently good overall for sure, but hard to say we never recovered our previous stature when we *literally had a season where we did better than we ever had before*.

Will this board ever wash the taste of Briles out of its mouth?

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We sucked out loud for 15 years before he got here. Then he brought Heisman winner, won a couple big 12 championships, beat up on UT and OU, had us in the national title / playoff conversation deep into seasons, and we fired him for non-football reasons. My guess is he will remain popular with a large contingent of Baylor fans forever.

I appreciate what both Aranda and Rhule have done at points, but we've been extremely up-and-down ever since Briles, and we've never been truly in the mix nationally since Briles. He had us on the lip of the cup and was just ramping up recruiting to match.

So, no. I'm happy to be 8-4 and headed to a bowl game. Excited about the future. But I also remember how badly we ****ed that up. It was peak Baylor behavior, and we forget it at our peril.

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Succinctly and well said

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To build on that, Briles was intrumental in the decision to build McLane Stadium. True Drayton McLane, Jr., provided a tremendously appreciated gift of $260 mil for construction, but one has to wonder if that 260 would have been gifted for McLane Stadium if Briles hadn't produced on the gridiron?

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Art was a piece of it for sure but Baylor needed to improve our facilities long before Art arrived and were going to do so. Talk about building a new stadium on the Brazos in that exact same spot was bantered around as early as 1980. But…….you need to remember back in the Abner McCall & Herb Reynolds's days Baylor built nothing until cash was in hand. We also were still tighter than Dick's hatband. We needed a new stadium if we wanted to get in and to stay in the Big 12. RG3 was a huge reason to pull the trigger. If Art was such an instrumental piece of it with National Championships lining up why did we build a smaller stadium than Floyd Casey?

The timing was right and we nearly pulled it off. Unfortunately our genius staff forgot 2/3 of the equation for proven National Champ football - you also need a defense and special teams to win it all. All O was fun to watch us score 60 or 70 on Wofford, Buffalo, ULM, Northwestern State, Lamar or Rice. We were never in the serious mix for a National Championship. You and I talked it up around Waco and in our Sunday School Classes but Nationally we were not a serious contender.

We had to have help on the final weekend (an OSU win over OU) to win the 2013 title and tied TCU for the 2014 co-Championship. OSU ripped us a new one in 2013 by the tune of 17-49 and then UCF (commuter school) drilled us in the Fiesta.

In 2014 we let West Virginia rip us a 3rd one by a 27-41 dog-drilling. TCU tied us in regular season but then they embarrassed Ole Miss in their bowl game while we gave a clinic in monumental collapses in the Cotton. Neither year was becoming of a National Championship team.

In 2015 somebody told the Baylor coaches we should only carry 2 or 3 QBs on the roster and then allow them to lower their noggins and try to run over SMU, Lamar & Rice and continue this crazy attitude even though we did not have but 2 other backup QBs. Other Big 12 teams carried 5, 6 and even 7 QBs. We had to lose to an injury plagued, heavy freshman & sophomore TCU squad and then to one of the worst UT teams in decades before the Jefferson lightbulb finally went off in somebody's junior high head. Hence we beat a bad NC team in the Citrus Bowl. Again, not exactly Natty material.

I appreciate the pie in the sky dreams recanted here ad nauseam but it has been 3,136 days since some of you began self flagellation .

Thee University said:

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CHP Bear said:

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Chuckroast said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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pitchspork said:

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hodedofome said:

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1a and 1b would be Briles and Leach. No other programs fell as much as those two after the firing, and have never recovered their previous stature.

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Since Briles was fired, we've been to 5 additional bowl games, 2 of which were NY6, and had the best single season in program history in 2021 while winning the Big 12.

We've been less consistently good overall for sure, but hard to say we never recovered our previous stature when we *literally had a season where we did better than we ever had before*.

Will this board ever wash the taste of Briles out of its mouth?

---

We sucked out loud for 15 years before he got here. Then he brought Heisman winner, won a couple big 12 championships, beat up on UT and OU, had us in the national title / playoff conversation deep into seasons, and we fired him for non-football reasons. My guess is he will remain popular with a large contingent of Baylor fans forever.

I appreciate what both Aranda and Rhule have done at points, but we've been extremely up-and-down ever since Briles, and we've never been truly in the mix nationally since Briles. He had us on the lip of the cup and was just ramping up recruiting to match.

So, no. I'm happy to be 8-4 and headed to a bowl game. Excited about the future. But I also remember how badly we ****ed that up. It was peak Baylor behavior, and we forget it at our peril.

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Succinctly and well said

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To build on that, Briles was intrumental in the decision to build McLane Stadium. True Drayton McLane, Jr., provided a tremendously appreciated gift of $260 mil for construction, but one has to wonder if that 260 would have been gifted for McLane Stadium if Briles hadn't produced on the gridiron?

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Art was a piece of it for sure but Baylor needed to improve our facilities long before Art arrived and were going to do so. Talk about building a new stadium on the Brazos in that exact same spot was bantered around as early as 1980. But…….you need to remember back in the Abner McCall & Herb Reynolds's days Baylor built nothing until cash was in hand. We also were still tighter than Dick's hatband. We needed a new stadium if we wanted to get in and to stay in the Big 12. RG3 was a huge reason to pull the trigger. If Art was such an instrumental piece of it with National Championships lining up why did we build a smaller stadium than Floyd Casey?

The timing was right and we nearly pulled it off. Unfortunately our genius staff forgot 2/3 of the equation for proven National Champ football - you also need a defense and special teams to win it all. All O was fun to watch us score 60 or 70 on Wofford, Buffalo, ULM, Northwestern State, Lamar or Rice. We were never in the serious mix for a National Championship. You and I talked it up around Waco and in our Sunday School Classes but Nationally we were not a serious contender.

We had to have help on the final weekend (an OSU win over OU) to win the 2013 title and tied TCU for the 2014 co-Championship. OSU ripped us a new one in 2013 by the tune of 17-49 and then UCF (commuter school) drilled us in the Fiesta.

In 2014 we let West Virginia rip us a 3rd one by a 27-41 dog-drilling. TCU tied us in regular season but then they embarrassed Ole Miss in their bowl game while we gave a clinic in monumental collapses in the Cotton. Neither year was becoming of a National Championship team.

In 2015 somebody told the Baylor coaches we should only carry 2 or 3 QBs on the roster and then allow them to lower their noggins and try to run over SMU, Lamar & Rice and continue this crazy attitude even though we did not have but 2 other backup QBs. Other Big 12 teams carried 5, 6 and even 7 QBs. We had to lose to an injury plagued, heavy freshman & sophomore TCU squad and then to one of the worst UT teams in decades before the Jefferson lightbulb finally went off in somebody's junior high head. Hence we beat a bad NC team in the Citrus Bowl. Again, not exactly Natty material.

I appreciate the pie in the sky dreams recanted here ad nauseam but it has been 3,136 days since some of you began self flagellation .

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Hert my felings