Eric morris?

I'd imagine McGuire was able to sell the program to the boosters, something Aranda hasn't done.

Jeff Traylor needs to be the first call

Bearsalways said:

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Jeff Traylor needs to be the first call

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Once we get done with the Dave Aranda experiment, we need a head coach to show up and rally the troops and wake people up.

One thing I noticed last night, our crowd was active and into the game, but it was not that big. The upper deck was empty all around the student side and through the end zone. The season ticket areas were pretty well full. What that tells me is, we are good enough that the core Baylor fans are showing up, but no one outside of that is excited about our program. We aren't getting community support or support from the fringe Baylor people who only show up when it gets really fun. which is fair. We've lost a bunch of home games over the last few years. I don't blame people outside the core constituency for not showing up.

Traylor's record last season and thus far this season at UTSA is not as good as Aranda's at Baylor over the same span of time. A little cursory evaluation of things never hurt anyone.

Here's my full list
Eric morris
Gj kinne
Jon gruden
Dabo
Could talk me into urban

Bearfan1998 said:

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Here's my full list
Eric morris
Gj kinne
Jon gruden
Dabo
Could talk me into urban

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Eric morris is interesting…could be the right move
I'm not sold on Kinne, but prefer him over Traylor. Jon Gruden would be a great change of sideline dynamic. Would love to see some emotion. Dabo can't win with 5 star kids…not sure how he will fare with 3 star kids.

Again, the number one quality of a coach in the modern era is to have salesmanship and charisma such that he can make connections with the big money folks. I saw an interview that Lane Kiffin did a couple weeks back, and he mentioned that he spent half of his recruiting time essentially trying to schmooze his boosters. We've made progress in that area, but I can't imagine that that is something that comes naturally to Dave

BUATX2000 said:

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Bearfan1998 said:

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Here's my full list
Eric morris
Gj kinne
Jon gruden
Dabo
Could talk me into urban

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Eric morris is interesting…could be the right move
I'm not sold on Kinne, but prefer him over Traylor. Jon Gruden would be a great change of sideline dynamic. Would love to see some emotion. Dabo can't win with 5 star kids…not sure how he will fare with 3 star kids.

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I just don't see how Gruden or urban would be any different than Belichick minus the girlfriend. Both are washed up coaches that are going to hate the transfer portal/paying players aspect of the game that's literally 75% of the battle these days. I just don't see these 62-year-old guys that coached in a different era being able to do what it takes to breathe new life into the program

Bearsalways said:

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Jeff Traylor needs to be the first call

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I'd be curious to hear your reasoning for being so high on him

Bearfan1998 said:

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Eric morris?

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He would definitely be one that I would call. Great identifier and developer of talent at quarterback. Guy can flat out coach. Know almost nothing about him other than that

About this flat out can coach concept. Morris has has a winning percentage of 54% in 7 years as a HC. He is 15-14 at UNT. It is intriguing as to how that is in the "flat out can coach category".

PartyBear said:

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About this flat out can coach concept. Morris has has a winning percentage of 54% in 7 years as a HC. He is 15-14 at UNT. It is intriguing as to how that is in the "flat out can coach category".

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He has them on a clear winning trajectory. Currently 4-0. Helped identify and develop Cameron Ward.

Honestly bud, you move the goal posts quite a bit when you try to argue. You defend Aranda like crazy, and he has a worse record than this guy.

In any event, it's a pedantic stance you're taking. Don't like Morris? Whatever. Any of these guys I've mentioned are way better than your buddy Dave

Guitarbiscuit said:

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I'd imagine McGuire was able to sell the program to the boosters, something Aranda hasn't done.

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Comparing Baylor's boosters to Texas Tech boosters isn't exactly a 1:1 comparison. Does Baylor have any (multi billion) billionaires sitting around that played football for Baylor?

The head coach's most important responsibilities are motivating the team, energizing the fan base, recruiting top talent, and building a strong staff. I have full confidence Jeff Traylor can deliver on all of these.

At the high school level, he completely transformed Gilmer, taking a struggling program and turning it into a powerhouse with a 17526 record. His proven ability to build a winning culture carried over to the college level. When he arrived at UTSA, the program had a cumulative 4460 record. Since then, he has gone 4620 overall and 318 in conference play, despite working with fewer resources than most of his conference rivals. That kind of turnaround speaks volumes about his leadership and vision.

Beyond results, Traylor is deeply respected among coaches across Texas. His connections and reputation give him a major edge in recruiting and it's telling that when UTSA's AD was interviewing other candidates, multiple coaches independently mentioned Traylor's name, which ultimately led to his hiring.

Most importantly, he genuinely wants this job. He sees Baylor as a program with the infrastructure to be a perennial Big 12 contender, and he has the drive and track record to make that happen. On top of that, with his son currently coaching for the Vikings, there's a strong possibility he could join the staff in Waco, adding even more value to the program.

It all comes down to the fact that Good programs find ways to win because of the culture established. Baylor finds new ways to lose games, because of the poor culture we have. We need a culture guy!

Same thing Jeff Traylor would bring

UTSA has lost to Texas A&M and Texas State. Two teams that would beat Baylor this year.

They were in both games in the 4th Quarter and should have beat Texas state but had 3 dropped balls on the last drive.

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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I'd imagine McGuire was able to sell the program to the boosters, something Aranda hasn't done.

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Comparing Baylor's boosters to Texas Tech boosters isn't exactly a 1:1 comparison. Does Baylor have any (multi billion) billionaires sitting around that played football for Baylor?

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I have no idea. But I don't see that as an excuse. You can either sell or you can't.

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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Not promoting Joey Mcguire, one of the best recruiters we ever had, has turned out to be a more than minor mistake.

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To be 100% clear, at this moment in time Aranda is a far more accomplished coach than McGuire is. Full stop. Further, if McGuire wins the conference and a NY6/CFP game this season in order to match Aranda's highs, it will be more of a reflection of Texas Tech booster money than anything else.

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Imagine how good Baylor would be if we too had boosters with more money than sense and an almost pathological need to compensate for tiny appendages.

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Well to be fair not many have a booster who wants to spend 20 million a year on his alma maters football team. I would point out I thought NIL was being regulated starting next year and boosters won't be allowed essentially to spend whatever they want on players.

Bearsalways said:

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Same thing Jeff Traylor would bring

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Interesting. I was more high on him a year or two back but could absolutely get behind him.

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Bearsalways said:

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Same thing Jeff Traylor would bring

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Interesting. I was more high on him a year or two back but could absolutely get behind him.

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Same

I'd still go with Todd Whitten.

New Mexico coach Jason Eck.

Bearfan1998 said:

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Jon gruden

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TTT
I just want to make the thread easy to find at halftime.

Guitarbiscuit said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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I'd imagine McGuire was able to sell the program to the boosters, something Aranda hasn't done.

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Comparing Baylor's boosters to Texas Tech boosters isn't exactly a 1:1 comparison. Does Baylor have any (multi billion) billionaires sitting around that played football for Baylor?

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I have no idea. But I don't see that as an excuse. You can either sell or you can't.

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Tell that to Oregon, Ohio State, etc. and the opponents that they regularly trounce.

Jimmy Johnson is available

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I wish we had hired Cignetti, granted Indiana doesn't play a tough schedule, but he wins and gets his players to play fast and disciplined.

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They always play extremely hard. Those teams play with so much more consistent energy than Dave's. It's a huge contrast when you watch a team like that vs Bu.

Bearsalways said:

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UTSA has lost to Texas A&M and Texas State. Two teams that would beat Baylor this year.

They were in both games in the 4th Quarter and should have beat Texas state but had 3 dropped balls on the last drive.

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Texas State wouldn't beat us. They were completely outmanned by Arizona State, which we should have beaten even with a 3-0 deficit in the turnover margin.

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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I'd imagine McGuire was able to sell the program to the boosters, something Aranda hasn't done.

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Comparing Baylor's boosters to Texas Tech boosters isn't exactly a 1:1 comparison. Does Baylor have any (multi billion) billionaires sitting around that played football for Baylor?

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I have no idea. But I don't see that as an excuse. You can either sell or you can't.

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Tell that to Oregon, Ohio State, etc. and the opponents that they regularly trounce.

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No idea what you're talking about. If you believe Aranda is a good salesman, then that's fine. I just don't agree.

Joey Mcguire was able to get the big guns to come to Lubbock of all places. Mcguire was able to do it. Aranda was not. And that's why our defense is at the bottom of the Big 12.

A billionaire is paying people millions to play for Tech. This isn't 2012, 1994 or some other random year of the past the coach did have to sell his program.

The good news is there is regulation of all of this legal slush fund from donors stuff starting next year supposedly.

PartyBear said:

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A billionaire is paying people millions to play for Tech. This isn't 2012, 1994 or some other random year of the past the coach did have to sell his program.

The good news is there is regulation of all of this legal slush fund from donors stuff starting next year supposedly.

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There will be no enforceable regulation until the schools and players are collectively bargaining for it. This settlement is a toothless joke without real negotiations between the sides.

This is not going to be a good offseason to try and hire a coach.

Arkansas
UCLA
Virginia Tech
Oklahoma State

Are already open

Wouldn't surprise me if USC and Florida join that list by the end of the season.

Not sure if Mark Stoops is wearing out his welcome at Kentucky. But if he is, he might be someone to consider. He is just under .500, but this is at a basketball school in the toughest football conference in the country.

But I agree that Traylor seems like a good hire.

The reality of our program and leadership is that we aren't going to be able to poach a coach from a peer program like Tech.

We are going to have to give a guy at an institution one rung down like UTSA an offer or hire someone who has worn out their welcome elsewhere.

PartyBear said:

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A billionaire is paying people millions to play for Tech. This isn't 2012, 1994 or some other random year of the past the coach did have to sell his program.

The good news is there is regulation of all of this legal slush fund from donors stuff starting next year supposedly.

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The regulation will never hold up in the Supreme Court. Good luck putting together a law that limits how much the free market is willing to pay an individual for their services.

Realitybites said:

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This is not going to be a good offseason to try and hire a coach.

Arkansas
UCLA
Virginia Tech
Oklahoma State

Are already open

Wouldn't surprise me if USC and Florida join that list by the end of the season.

Not sure if Mark Stoops is wearing out his welcome at Kentucky. But if he is, he might be someone to consider. He is just under .500, but this is at a basketball school in the toughest football conference in the country.

But I agree that Traylor seems like a good hire.

The reality of our program and leadership is that we aren't going to be able to poach a coach from a peer program like Tech.

We are going to have to give a guy at an institution one rung down like UTSA an offer or hire someone who has worn out their welcome elsewhere.

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I don't agree with timing the off-season in hiring a coach. There are probably certain years that are better than others, but at the end of the day, it's somewhat of a crapshoot. You have to find somebody that you like and pull the trigger. Case in point, I have to imagine that if we had waited another year to hire art out of UH, he would've been unobtainable.


Ultimately, the number one quality of a modern coach is their ability to sell their vision and get buy in from donors in a very real sense. If a coach isn't willing to do that, it doesn't matter if they have actual ability to coach or not, it's just not going to work for them (see: Mike Gundy, Dabo Swinney)

And a law is only as good as how well it's enforced. Enforcing these kind of laws is going to take a lot of resources that I doubt the NCAA actually has.