Texas Tech has bought for themselves a pretty good football team.

Good for them. I will actually pull for them bc I've never really hated them, they have Joey and have never won a dadgum thing. If we end up playing them then F them but we couldnt beat them.

I mean..a lot of their 'bought' players are in the 2026 and 2027 classes. So this year may be Joey is just a good coach.

And ask I type this..ESPN has on the scroll at the bottom they just got commitment from 5 star defensive tackle from Cedar Hill.

Paying the players a total of 20 million would have gotten Steele 8 win seasons here back in the day.

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Paying the players a total of 20 million would have gotten Steele 8 win seasons here back in the day.

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Doubtful by any metric.

You think this current Tech team would be bad if it had been purchased for Steele?

It is a strange phenomenon. When Oregon and Ohio State do it it just shows how much they care about winning…when TT does it they are just trying to buy a championship.

Dave Pasch says Texas Tech spent an “astronomical” amount on its roster. It’s hilarious how differently this gets talked about versus similarly priced SEC/Big Ten rosters.

— John Kurtz (@jlkurtz) October 5, 2025

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It is a strange phenomenon. When Oregon and Ohio State do it it just shows how much they care about winning…when TT does it they are just trying to buy a championship.

Dave Pasch says Texas Tech spent an “astronomical” amount on its roster. It’s hilarious how differently this gets talked about versus similarly priced SEC/Big Ten rosters.

— John Kurtz (@jlkurtz) October 5, 2025

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The haves don't want the have nots to be elevated to equal footing ... and neither does the establishment media that carry their water.

We saw this last year with SMU and this year with Tech. "Rules for thee but not for me" personified.

Joey seems to be doing a decent job at Tech so far.

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boognish_bear said:

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It is a strange phenomenon. When Oregon and Ohio State do it it just shows how much they care about winning…when TT does it they are just trying to buy a championship.

Dave Pasch says Texas Tech spent an “astronomical” amount on its roster. It’s hilarious how differently this gets talked about versus similarly priced SEC/Big Ten rosters.

— John Kurtz (@jlkurtz) October 5, 2025

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The haves don't want the have nots to be elevated to equal footing ... and neither does the establishment media that carry their water.

We saw this last year with SMU and this year with Tech. "Rules for thee but not for me" personified.

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Joey seems to be doing a decent job at Tech so far.

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He's a good coach. And while most of the talk is on his roster (and rightly so), he has dramatically upgraded the talent in both of his coordinator positions as well.

He's built a really good staff to coach a really talented roster.

I hate that we don't play them. Hopefully in Dallas. Need some ASU comeuppance.

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Joey seems to be doing a decent job at Tech so far.

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He's a good coach. And while most of the talk is on his roster (and rightly so), he has dramatically upgraded the talent in both of his coordinator positions as well.

He's built a really good staff to coach a really talented roster.

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He's gonna do what Briles would have done.

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Joey seems to be doing a decent job at Tech so far.

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He's a good coach. And while most of the talk is on his roster (and rightly so), he has dramatically upgraded the talent in both of his coordinator positions as well.

He's built a really good staff to coach a really talented roster.

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He's gonna do what Briles would have done.

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Sory boys but it was NEVER going to realize its Top Tier dream until Art got serious and hired a new Defensive Coordinator, a true Special Teams coach and then finally a "Ray Donovan".

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Joey seems to be doing a decent job at Tech so far.

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He's a good coach. And while most of the talk is on his roster (and rightly so), he has dramatically upgraded the talent in both of his coordinator positions as well.

He's built a really good staff to coach a really talented roster.

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He's gonna do what Briles would have done.

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Sory boys but it was NEVER going to realize its Top Tier dream until Art got serious and hired a new Defensive Coordinator, a true Special Teams coach and then finally a "Ray Donovan".

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I never thought our issue was the defense. I always thought it was the offense's inability to run clock.

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Joey seems to be doing a decent job at Tech so far.

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He's a good coach. And while most of the talk is on his roster (and rightly so), he has dramatically upgraded the talent in both of his coordinator positions as well.

He's built a really good staff to coach a really talented roster.

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He's gonna do what Briles would have done.

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Sory boys but it was NEVER going to realize its Top Tier dream until Art got serious and hired a new Defensive Coordinator, a true Special Teams coach and then finally a "Ray Donovan".

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I never thought our issue was the defense. I always thought it was the offense's inability to run clock.

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Seriously? When I read comments like this I know why 10 years later there is gnashing of teeth, self flagellation and fetal curl ups still going on. Some of you guys are soft. Estrogen laden.

Good grief! What has our country become?

You do realize that Art Briles teams gave up 800 yards in one game? 700 yards a few times? 600 yards 7 times?

Art coached 102 games for Baylor. His defenses gave up in excess of 400 yards on over half of those games. 57 times we gave up more than 400. A lot more.

You can't and don't win National Championships without slobber knocking defense being played by your side.

When our opponents faced 3rd & long versus our Bears you should have just moved the ball up without even running a play.

Dave's squad has given up 400 plus to every team this season not named Samford. I don't see you *****ing about that? The last 13 FBS teams BU have played have eclipsed 400 yards on offense. You ***** and moan religiously about Briles and completely ignore the disgrace that is Dave's defense
Wonder why? Pretty pathetic for a HC whose specialty is supposedly defense

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Thee University said:

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Joey seems to be doing a decent job at Tech so far.

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He's a good coach. And while most of the talk is on his roster (and rightly so), he has dramatically upgraded the talent in both of his coordinator positions as well.

He's built a really good staff to coach a really talented roster.

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He's gonna do what Briles would have done.

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Sory boys but it was NEVER going to realize its Top Tier dream until Art got serious and hired a new Defensive Coordinator, a true Special Teams coach and then finally a "Ray Donovan".

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I never thought our issue was the defense. I always thought it was the offense's inability to run clock.

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When our opponents faced 3rd & long versus our Bears you should have just moved the ball up without even running a play.

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Well thank goodness that part has changed.

Oh wait……..

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Dave's squad has given up 400 plus to every team this season not named Samford. I don't see you *****ing about that? The last 13 FBS teams BU have played have eclipsed 400 yards on offense. You ***** and moan religiously about Briles and completely ignore the disgrace that is Dave's defense
Wonder why? Pretty pathetic for a HC whose specialty is supposedly defense

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Does anybody else get strong Uncle Rico vibes from Thee? He reminds me of some of the older boomer guys who I worked with when I worked retail back in high school. Recounting tales of being third string linebacker in the Teaff day with lots of "We would have won that natty if coach teaff had just put me in" bravado.

And the guy clearly gets off on talking about Briles more than he wants people to think. Case in point, he only posts when Art is mentioned, or when he thinks he can make coach guru look better by trashing Art Briles' accomplishments in some way that only makes sense in his mind

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You can't and don't win National Championships without slobber knocking defense being played by your side.

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Nor do you by losing at home to the 3rd place team in the Pacific Coast Athletic Association. #EpicFail

Some folks will never be happy. Briles was 65-37 at Baylor and won just under 64% of his games. That is a better win percentage for any Baylor coach after 1950. That also includes the first 2 years where he went 8-16 trying to build a program from literally nothing. Briles went 32-7 his last 3 years and 50-15 over his last 5. He may not have won with defense and grind it out football like some folks would have wanted, but he won and he won at a clip we would be lucky to ever see again. Baylor had never saw that level sustained success at any point in our past and right now it doesn't look like we are getting closer to it.

It is unfortunate Briles appeared to either have issues running his program off the field or was a sacrificial lamb depending on what side of the isle of that debate you stand on, but considering the era he coached in and his actual win/loss stats he was the most successful coach in Baylor history. I am not saying the most important or best (that is Teaff) but he is inarguably the most successful.

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Joey seems to be doing a decent job at Tech so far.

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He's a good coach. And while most of the talk is on his roster (and rightly so), he has dramatically upgraded the talent in both of his coordinator positions as well.

He's built a really good staff to coach a really talented roster.

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He's gonna do what Briles would have done.

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Sory boys but it was NEVER going to realize its Top Tier dream until Art got serious and hired a new Defensive Coordinator, a true Special Teams coach and then finally a "Ray Donovan".

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I never thought our issue was the defense. I always thought it was the offense's inability to run clock.

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Seriously? When I read comments like this I know why 10 years later there is gnashing of teeth, self flagellation and fetal curl ups still going on. Some of you guys are soft. Estrogen laden.

Good grief! What has our country become?

You do realize that Art Briles teams gave up 800 yards in one game? 700 yards a few times? 600 yards 7 times?

Art coached 102 games for Baylor. His defenses gave up in excess of 400 yards on over half of those games. 57 times we gave up more than 400. A lot more.

You can't and don't win National Championships without slobber knocking defense being played by your side.

When our opponents faced 3rd & long versus our Bears you should have just moved the ball up without even running a play.

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Can they get those yards if they didn't have the ball? 7 and 9 minute drives are back breakers.

In those games, how many yards did we get? The year we won 12 games, we got first downs on 3rd and 1. Ball control matters.

When you played, where you ever gassed after a turnover, 3 and out or quick score the the O?you never once wished the offense would sustain a drive so you could regroup?

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Paying the players a total of 20 million would have gotten Steele 8 win seasons here back in the day.

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Over how many seasons?

It really seems like a weird time to be bashing the most successful run of football success in Baylor history.

The defense last year and this year are on equal footing with most of Briles defenses. Phil Bennett was horrific. We just outscored most teams, but the opposing QB's were talked up on Sportcenter after playing us.

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The defense last year and this year are on equal footing with most of Briles defenses. Phil Bennett was horrific. We just outscored most teams, but the opposing QB's were talked up on Sportcenter after playing us.

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They weren't good, but I would take the defenses from 2012 through 2015 over what we have now. Those teams were much better at generating pressure on opposing quarterbacks through blitzing and thereby generating turnovers


Also, I don't recall any players from those teams getting on social media and demanding to be paid for their crappy play on the field

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Dave's squad has given up 400 plus to every team this season not named Samford. I don't see you *****ing about that? The last 13 FBS teams BU have played have eclipsed 400 yards on offense. You ***** and moan religiously about Briles and completely ignore the disgrace that is Dave's defense
Wonder why? Pretty pathetic for a HC whose specialty is supposedly defense

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I tell the truth. When we start talking about Dave I'll tell the truth on his performance too.

807 yards (just nearly half a mile of O in 1 game) given up to a 7-6 West Virginia team that went 2-5 in the Big 12.
This was sandwiched by giving up 560 yards to U Louisiana-Monroe (2nd place in the Sun friggin Belt) and on the backside by a 7-6 TCU team who clipped us for 509 yards.

That's over a mile of offense we gave up in just 3 games. We scored 63 points and LOST to that 7-6 WV team and lost 21-49 to that 7-6 TCU juggernaut.

Dave's 12-2 2021 team had only 4 games where they gave up over 400 yards (479, 401, 409 & 562). No 600, 700 or 800 yard games in 2021. 12 wins. Sugar Bowl win.

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It really seems like a weird time to be bashing the most successful run of football success in Baylor history.

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#1. RH Hamilton - .786
#2. Bob Woodruff - .645
#3. Frank Bridges - .644
#4. George Sauer - .637
#4. Art Briles - .637

If we only could have played Northwestern State, Buffalo, Wofford or Rice a few more times.

One mega booster bought Tech a football team of mercenaries.

No doubt about the "purchases" but Joey CAN coach football. No guarantee of college success but no one can honestly deny his ability to put a good football team on the field.

Bought. Not bought. Texas Tech is a really good football team on both sides of the ball. They will be tough for any team to beat in any league.

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It really seems like a weird time to be bashing the most successful run of football success in Baylor history.

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#1. RH Hamilton - .786
#2. Bob Woodruff - .645
#3. Frank Bridges - .644
#4. George Sauer - .637
#4. Art Briles - .637

If we only could have played Northwestern State, Buffalo, Wofford or Rice a few more times.

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You are so absurd ...

2 of Hamilton's wins were "Toby's Business College" - 40% of his total wins.

Frank Bridges regularly beat Texas Teacher's College, Howard Payne, Southwestern and Tarleton Agricultural College.Also beat the powerhouse Ouachita ... He did get us our first conference championship

Sauer had wins against Hardin Simmons and Tulane

Numbers 2, 3, and 4 on your list made a positive impact on Baylor Football history. Woodruff and Sauer combined for 9 consecutive seasons without a losing record. We may never do that again. They got us to our first 3 bowl games. Neither won a conference championship, neither had us in the top 10 nationally at the end of a season.

All of those on your list were before Elvis was a 'thing' - The Ivy League was nationally relevant in football.

Objectively, Art Biles was the best coach in the History of Baylor football.

Teaff made us relevant. Saved the program in all likelihood. He, Bridges, and Briles are the only Baylor coaches to win multiple conference champtionships.

Teaff's best runs included winning 30 games over a 4 year period, and taking us to a bowl in 3 out of 4 years. Briles won 31 games in 3 years, and we went to 6 consecutive bowls.

It was fun being a Baylor football fan a decade ago. We got used to winning, being talked about as a national title contender, having players taken in the first round of the draft, selling out AND having a packed a house against even teams like Wofford ... and having BU merchandise being sold in every Walmart in Texas. I don't know if Briles was given the opportunity to genuinely be a part of repairing the damage done, but most of us feel like he was a scapegoat that the Regents believed they could use to sweep everything under the rug.

Briles and Teaff were both willing to be Baylor lifers. I wish we could have seen what 20 years of Briles would have produced.

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I tell the truth. When we start talking about Dave I'll tell the truth on his performance too.

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We are talking about Dave. He's in his 6th year as our HC. I am genuinely interested in your opinion of him as our HC and DC (not LSU or any other team he's been with) and without comparison to Briles or Bennett, just your assessment of his performance as a Baylor coach. Thanks.

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Joey seems to be doing a decent job at Tech so far.

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He's a good coach. And while most of the talk is on his roster (and rightly so), he has dramatically upgraded the talent in both of his coordinator positions as well.

He's built a really good staff to coach a really talented roster.

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He's gonna do what Briles would have done.

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Sory boys but it was NEVER going to realize its Top Tier dream until Art got serious and hired a new Defensive Coordinator, a true Special Teams coach and then finally a "Ray Donovan".

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I never thought our issue was the defense. I always thought it was the offense's inability to run clock.

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Seriously? When I read comments like this I know why 10 years later there is gnashing of teeth, self flagellation and fetal curl ups still going on. Some of you guys are soft. Estrogen laden.

Good grief! What has our country become?

You do realize that Art Briles teams gave up 800 yards in one game? 700 yards a few times? 600 yards 7 times?

Art coached 102 games for Baylor. His defenses gave up in excess of 400 yards on over half of those games. 57 times we gave up more than 400. A lot more.

You can't and don't win National Championships without slobber knocking defense being played by your side.

When our opponents faced 3rd & long versus our Bears you should have just moved the ball up without even running a play.

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When opponents got in 3rd and long, they smiled. I remember being happy when they got over the 50 because it reduced the amount of field the Bennett D had to defend!

Briles was also on the front end of the paradigm shift, defenses have pretty much caught up. Could he come up with more innovations? His son has had so-so success, so I am not sure it would be any different than whate TCU, Ark, FAU ran and didn't really light it up.

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Thee University said:

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Thee University said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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Joey seems to be doing a decent job at Tech so far.

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He's a good coach. And while most of the talk is on his roster (and rightly so), he has dramatically upgraded the talent in both of his coordinator positions as well.

He's built a really good staff to coach a really talented roster.

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He's gonna do what Briles would have done.

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Sory boys but it was NEVER going to realize its Top Tier dream until Art got serious and hired a new Defensive Coordinator, a true Special Teams coach and then finally a "Ray Donovan".

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I never thought our issue was the defense. I always thought it was the offense's inability to run clock.

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Seriously? When I read comments like this I know why 10 years later there is gnashing of teeth, self flagellation and fetal curl ups still going on. Some of you guys are soft. Estrogen laden.

Good grief! What has our country become?

You do realize that Art Briles teams gave up 800 yards in one game? 700 yards a few times? 600 yards 7 times?

Art coached 102 games for Baylor. His defenses gave up in excess of 400 yards on over half of those games. 57 times we gave up more than 400. A lot more.

You can't and don't win National Championships without slobber knocking defense being played by your side.

When our opponents faced 3rd & long versus our Bears you should have just moved the ball up without even running a play.

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When opponents got in 3rd and long, they smiled. I remember being happy when they got over the 50 because it reduced the amount of field the Bennett D had to defend!

Briles was also on the front end of the paradigm shift, defenses have pretty much caught up. Could he come up with more innovations? His son has had so-so success, so I am not sure it would be any different than whate TCU, Ark, FAU ran and didn't really light it up.

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KB ain't AB. He has shown he doesn't have nearly the talent of his old man. He just uses the same system he learned. AB made adjustments to is offense every year, same basic system, but with wrinkles to address changes in the game.

System coaches usually have some success for a while until everybody knows what you're doing inside and out. Only the imaginative and innovative coaches continue to build on their framework and succeed long term. AB was doing that.