TenBears said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I felt like this site has its nose so far up Baylors ass compared to Baylorfans. I admit I was surprised when the came out to can Dave. Maybe us formers are starting to rub off on the Cinderella's.

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So true. In the early years right after merger you could not say anything negative about Baylor at all. They even admitted people from Baylor would look at the boards for things to remove.

Even providing facts like a coaches record could earn a ban.

After rhule left they seemed to loosen up a bit.

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I don't think the timing of their acquisition was at all coincidental. baylorfans.com was wide open and was full of people hammering the board and the administration for its bungling of the #metoo media assault, especially for firing Briles.

The premium board (which was pretty much all that existed here) on this site was very pro BOR. If you were adamant that they completely screwed that up, you were persona non grata.

I would post criticisms on Baylorfans and generally get agreement, then post them here and mostly get disagreement. And these forums were more heavily moderated.

Then, interestingly, Baylorfans.com was acquired by sicem365. And all of a sudden, the free board that matriculated over here started becoming more moderated, along with people from the premium board parachuting in to try to enforce right thinking, and with apparent perusal of actual inside Baylor folks.

I was critical, and got called out, once with Ashley Hodge using my real life initials contrary to website terms. I thought that was a lot of bull***** I felt like my criticisms were reasonable and based in fact, and I did have a fair amount of sympathy for them I'm trying to run a Baylor message board in that difficult environment. But I was still gonna say what I thought.

I also had people send me the pro-BoR "inside information" plenty of times, which never had anything really new or different or particularly enlightening in it, especially compared to the stuff I was getting from all the people on the ground on both sides of the issue in Waco.

I dropped my premium subscription just because, frankly, the company groupthink enforced by peer pressure was flat out obnoxious and not particularly well argued.

(One aside that I find interesting, I give to Baylor at a pretty high level. I'm not a BMD. But I run with a lot of people that have given a Baylor for a long time, at reasonably high levels, and have a ton of family and friends that are Baylor peopl. The ones I know in person overwhelmingly agree that the way we handled that controversy, especially firing Briles, was an atrocious mistake. But interestingly, on the premium website here, the general current is to the opposite. I'm not sure why, but I could not tell you how many Baylor people I know, and I don't know a single one that will say they think firing Briles was a good idea. On this website, it's different.)

All in all, the acquisition did not completely kill the free board, but it wounded it severely. I think it also did a great disservice to robust debate surrounding Baylor issues. And I think there was probably a dynamic going on behind the scenes that made all of that intentional.

So I have little to no sympathy for the complaint that they are not making money on it. If that's a problem, spin it back out and let jason or his appointee run it again.

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This really prompted some thought. Like you, I've given plenty but nowhere near the BMD level. In my relatively large tribe of boomer age bears, it is exactly as you say. There is not a single one I know that thinks that the Briles matter was handled appropriately. I have very, very bright and incredibly successful friends, 3-5 of which ARE or at least were BMDs. and to a person they would take Briles in an instant, other than for his age. I'm trying really really hard, and literally can't think of a 1980s era alum that I've spoken to that believes he should have been fired.

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I'm talking about dozens of people. Mostly boomers and Gen X. But I'm a fourth generation Baylor grad, lived around Waco, spent a ton of time around Baylor, hang out with a ton of Baylor people. Lots of us give at the championship level, and lots of others give solidly. I literally don't know a single one who does not think Baylor ****ed that up royally. And I know several who just completely stopped giving or going to games, or greatly reduced their level. It's interesting to me that the online reaction, especially on this website, was so much different.

It's also interesting that baylorfans.com, which appeared to agree with all the people I actually know in person, happened to go away in that timeframe. But maybe it is nothing except interesting.

Ashley Hodge said:

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this post was something else, but accurate it is not. We don't always tow the company line, certainly not in support of keeping Aranda.

But unlike some on these message boards, we do want Baylor to do well and prosper and don't think excessive negativity is the path to that outcome.

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But excessive negativity and in-fighting are some of Baylor's greatest traditions...

Taking that away would be like celebrating Oktoberfest without beer and lauderhosen...

Ashley Hodge said:

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this post was something else, but accurate it is not. We don't always tow the company line, certainly not in support of keeping Aranda.

But unlike some on these message boards, we do want Baylor to do well and prosper and don't think excessive negativity is the path to that outcome.

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I think you certainly loosened up over time. I also think that from an access perspective, you probably have to toe the company line from time to time to a certain extent. Totally understandable.

The last game I attended in Waco was an awesome night. The tail gating by George's was absolutely perfect. After 7 decades I decided Baylor decided to join the 21st century.

Then they blew it all away and some defended them. Boo.

Robert Wilson said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I felt like this site has its nose so far up Baylors ass compared to Baylorfans. I admit I was surprised when the came out to can Dave. Maybe us formers are starting to rub off on the Cinderella's.

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So true. In the early years right after merger you could not say anything negative about Baylor at all. They even admitted people from Baylor would look at the boards for things to remove.

Even providing facts like a coaches record could earn a ban.

After rhule left they seemed to loosen up a bit.

---

I don't think the timing of their acquisition was at all coincidental. baylorfans.com was wide open and was full of people hammering the board and the administration for its bungling of the #metoo media assault, especially for firing Briles.

The premium board (which was pretty much all that existed here) on this site was very pro BOR. If you were adamant that they completely screwed that up, you were persona non grata.

I would post criticisms on Baylorfans and generally get agreement, then post them here and mostly get disagreement. And these forums were more heavily moderated.

Then, interestingly, Baylorfans.com was acquired by sicem365. And all of a sudden, the free board that matriculated over here started becoming more moderated, along with people from the premium board parachuting in to try to enforce right thinking, and with apparent perusal of actual inside Baylor folks.

I was critical, and got called out, once with Ashley Hodge using my real life initials contrary to website terms. I thought that was a lot of bull***** I felt like my criticisms were reasonable and based in fact, and I did have a fair amount of sympathy for them I'm trying to run a Baylor message board in that difficult environment. But I was still gonna say what I thought.

I also had people send me the pro-BoR "inside information" plenty of times, which never had anything really new or different or particularly enlightening in it, especially compared to the stuff I was getting from all the people on the ground on both sides of the issue in Waco.

I dropped my premium subscription just because, frankly, the company groupthink enforced by peer pressure was flat out obnoxious and not particularly well argued.

(One aside that I find interesting, I give to Baylor at a pretty high level. I'm not a BMD. But I run with a lot of people that have given a Baylor for a long time, at reasonably high levels, and have a ton of family and friends that are Baylor peopl. The ones I know in person overwhelmingly agree that the way we handled that controversy, especially firing Briles, was an atrocious mistake. But interestingly, on the premium website here, the general current is to the opposite. I'm not sure why, but I could not tell you how many Baylor people I know, and I don't know a single one that will say they think firing Briles was a good idea. On this website, it's different.)

All in all, the acquisition did not completely kill the free board, but it wounded it severely. I think it also did a great disservice to robust debate surrounding Baylor issues. And I think there was probably a dynamic going on behind the scenes that made all of that intentional.

So I have little to no sympathy for the complaint that they are not making money on it. If that's a problem, spin it back out and let jason or his appointee run it again.

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I wonder if the split with the Smoak crew had something to do with pressure from Baylor as well. They were being critical and asking hard questions when things weren't going well.

As far as Ashley, I've met him and had some conversations with him about different things, and he seems like a legit great guy, someone I can trust. I'm sure they have to tread lightly to some degree in order to stay in good graces and have access to do interviews and have the access they have privilege to.

I don't think the owners and mods were enforcing only pro-Baylor propaganda. They only moderated folks that were total pains in the ass and being disruptive.

But there were certainly a big block of members that were not tolerant of people having different views that didn't suit their pollyanna narratives. And it was so weird how they would storm down here amongst the lowly poors like they were carrying torches looking for witches to burn.

Dia del DougO said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I felt like this site has its nose so far up Baylors ass compared to Baylorfans. I admit I was surprised when the came out to can Dave. Maybe us formers are starting to rub off on the Cinderella's.

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So true. In the early years right after merger you could not say anything negative about Baylor at all. They even admitted people from Baylor would look at the boards for things to remove.

Even providing facts like a coaches record could earn a ban.

After rhule left they seemed to loosen up a bit.

---

I don't think the timing of their acquisition was at all coincidental. baylorfans.com was wide open and was full of people hammering the board and the administration for its bungling of the #metoo media assault, especially for firing Briles.

The premium board (which was pretty much all that existed here) on this site was very pro BOR. If you were adamant that they completely screwed that up, you were persona non grata.

I would post criticisms on Baylorfans and generally get agreement, then post them here and mostly get disagreement. And these forums were more heavily moderated.

Then, interestingly, Baylorfans.com was acquired by sicem365. And all of a sudden, the free board that matriculated over here started becoming more moderated, along with people from the premium board parachuting in to try to enforce right thinking, and with apparent perusal of actual inside Baylor folks.

I was critical, and got called out, once with Ashley Hodge using my real life initials contrary to website terms. I thought that was a lot of bull***** I felt like my criticisms were reasonable and based in fact, and I did have a fair amount of sympathy for them I'm trying to run a Baylor message board in that difficult environment. But I was still gonna say what I thought.

I also had people send me the pro-BoR "inside information" plenty of times, which never had anything really new or different or particularly enlightening in it, especially compared to the stuff I was getting from all the people on the ground on both sides of the issue in Waco.

I dropped my premium subscription just because, frankly, the company groupthink enforced by peer pressure was flat out obnoxious and not particularly well argued.

(One aside that I find interesting, I give to Baylor at a pretty high level. I'm not a BMD. But I run with a lot of people that have given a Baylor for a long time, at reasonably high levels, and have a ton of family and friends that are Baylor peopl. The ones I know in person overwhelmingly agree that the way we handled that controversy, especially firing Briles, was an atrocious mistake. But interestingly, on the premium website here, the general current is to the opposite. I'm not sure why, but I could not tell you how many Baylor people I know, and I don't know a single one that will say they think firing Briles was a good idea. On this website, it's different.)

All in all, the acquisition did not completely kill the free board, but it wounded it severely. I think it also did a great disservice to robust debate surrounding Baylor issues. And I think there was probably a dynamic going on behind the scenes that made all of that intentional.

So I have little to no sympathy for the complaint that they are not making money on it. If that's a problem, spin it back out and let jason or his appointee run it again.

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I wonder if the split with the Smoak crew had something to do with pressure from Baylor as well. They were being critical and asking hard questions when things weren't going well.

As far as Ashley, I've met him and had some conversations with him about different things, and he seems like a legit great guy, someone I can trust. I'm sure they have to tread lightly to some degree in order to stay in good graces and have access to do interviews and have the access they have privilege to.

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That wasn't what a fan board is about. They should care less what Baylor U thinks about the site. That was always my problem here. It felt like we were in Chapel.

Robert Wilson said:

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TenBears said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I felt like this site has its nose so far up Baylors ass compared to Baylorfans. I admit I was surprised when the came out to can Dave. Maybe us formers are starting to rub off on the Cinderella's.

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So true. In the early years right after merger you could not say anything negative about Baylor at all. They even admitted people from Baylor would look at the boards for things to remove.

Even providing facts like a coaches record could earn a ban.

After rhule left they seemed to loosen up a bit.

---

I don't think the timing of their acquisition was at all coincidental. baylorfans.com was wide open and was full of people hammering the board and the administration for its bungling of the #metoo media assault, especially for firing Briles.

The premium board (which was pretty much all that existed here) on this site was very pro BOR. If you were adamant that they completely screwed that up, you were persona non grata.

I would post criticisms on Baylorfans and generally get agreement, then post them here and mostly get disagreement. And these forums were more heavily moderated.

Then, interestingly, Baylorfans.com was acquired by sicem365. And all of a sudden, the free board that matriculated over here started becoming more moderated, along with people from the premium board parachuting in to try to enforce right thinking, and with apparent perusal of actual inside Baylor folks.

I was critical, and got called out, once with Ashley Hodge using my real life initials contrary to website terms. I thought that was a lot of bull***** I felt like my criticisms were reasonable and based in fact, and I did have a fair amount of sympathy for them I'm trying to run a Baylor message board in that difficult environment. But I was still gonna say what I thought.

I also had people send me the pro-BoR "inside information" plenty of times, which never had anything really new or different or particularly enlightening in it, especially compared to the stuff I was getting from all the people on the ground on both sides of the issue in Waco.

I dropped my premium subscription just because, frankly, the company groupthink enforced by peer pressure was flat out obnoxious and not particularly well argued.

(One aside that I find interesting, I give to Baylor at a pretty high level. I'm not a BMD. But I run with a lot of people that have given a Baylor for a long time, at reasonably high levels, and have a ton of family and friends that are Baylor peopl. The ones I know in person overwhelmingly agree that the way we handled that controversy, especially firing Briles, was an atrocious mistake. But interestingly, on the premium website here, the general current is to the opposite. I'm not sure why, but I could not tell you how many Baylor people I know, and I don't know a single one that will say they think firing Briles was a good idea. On this website, it's different.)

All in all, the acquisition did not completely kill the free board, but it wounded it severely. I think it also did a great disservice to robust debate surrounding Baylor issues. And I think there was probably a dynamic going on behind the scenes that made all of that intentional.

So I have little to no sympathy for the complaint that they are not making money on it. If that's a problem, spin it back out and let jason or his appointee run it again.

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This really prompted some thought. Like you, I've given plenty but nowhere near the BMD level. In my relatively large tribe of boomer age bears, it is exactly as you say. There is not a single one I know that thinks that the Briles matter was handled appropriately. I have very, very bright and incredibly successful friends, 3-5 of which ARE or at least were BMDs. and to a person they would take Briles in an instant, other than for his age. I'm trying really really hard, and literally can't think of a 1980s era alum that I've spoken to that believes he should have been fired.

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I'm talking about dozens of people. Mostly boomers and Gen X. But I'm a fourth generation Baylor grad, lived around Waco, spent a ton of time around Baylor, hang out with a ton of Baylor people. Lots of us give at the championship level, and lots of others give solidly. I literally don't know a single one who does not think Baylor ****ed that up royally. And I know several who just completely stopped giving or going to games, or greatly reduced their level. It's interesting to me that the online reaction, especially on this website, was so much different.

It's also interesting that baylorfans.com, which appeared to agree with all the people I actually know in person, happened to go away in that timeframe. But maybe it is nothing except interesting.

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I will leave this life convinced that all of what we're talking about here has been just another failed attempt at damage control. The chickens from the Briles debacle continue to come home.

bizarre to me that y'all think the Premium board is substantively different than the Free side regarding prevailing opinions: the majority of Premium users have wanted Dave fired since late '22, and have loudly stated so...

Baylor's leadership doesn't scan these boards for guidance or justification - none of our stances matter to their decision making.

Bearknuckle said:

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bizarre to me that y'all think the Premium board is substantively different than the Free side regarding prevailing opinions: the majority of Premium users have wanted Dave fired since late '22, and have loudly stated so...

Baylor's leadership doesn't scan these boards for guidance or justification - none of our stances matter to their decision making.

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Since it is not showing you as Premium member under this user name what user name alt do you use on the Premium board to scold us on our inaccuracies?

Dia del DougO said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I felt like this site has its nose so far up Baylors ass compared to Baylorfans. I admit I was surprised when the came out to can Dave. Maybe us formers are starting to rub off on the Cinderella's.

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So true. In the early years right after merger you could not say anything negative about Baylor at all. They even admitted people from Baylor would look at the boards for things to remove.

Even providing facts like a coaches record could earn a ban.

After rhule left they seemed to loosen up a bit.

---

I don't think the timing of their acquisition was at all coincidental. baylorfans.com was wide open and was full of people hammering the board and the administration for its bungling of the #metoo media assault, especially for firing Briles.

The premium board (which was pretty much all that existed here) on this site was very pro BOR. If you were adamant that they completely screwed that up, you were persona non grata.

I would post criticisms on Baylorfans and generally get agreement, then post them here and mostly get disagreement. And these forums were more heavily moderated.

Then, interestingly, Baylorfans.com was acquired by sicem365. And all of a sudden, the free board that matriculated over here started becoming more moderated, along with people from the premium board parachuting in to try to enforce right thinking, and with apparent perusal of actual inside Baylor folks.

I was critical, and got called out, once with Ashley Hodge using my real life initials contrary to website terms. I thought that was a lot of bull***** I felt like my criticisms were reasonable and based in fact, and I did have a fair amount of sympathy for them I'm trying to run a Baylor message board in that difficult environment. But I was still gonna say what I thought.

I also had people send me the pro-BoR "inside information" plenty of times, which never had anything really new or different or particularly enlightening in it, especially compared to the stuff I was getting from all the people on the ground on both sides of the issue in Waco.

I dropped my premium subscription just because, frankly, the company groupthink enforced by peer pressure was flat out obnoxious and not particularly well argued.

(One aside that I find interesting, I give to Baylor at a pretty high level. I'm not a BMD. But I run with a lot of people that have given a Baylor for a long time, at reasonably high levels, and have a ton of family and friends that are Baylor peopl. The ones I know in person overwhelmingly agree that the way we handled that controversy, especially firing Briles, was an atrocious mistake. But interestingly, on the premium website here, the general current is to the opposite. I'm not sure why, but I could not tell you how many Baylor people I know, and I don't know a single one that will say they think firing Briles was a good idea. On this website, it's different.)

All in all, the acquisition did not completely kill the free board, but it wounded it severely. I think it also did a great disservice to robust debate surrounding Baylor issues. And I think there was probably a dynamic going on behind the scenes that made all of that intentional.

So I have little to no sympathy for the complaint that they are not making money on it. If that's a problem, spin it back out and let jason or his appointee run it again.

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I wonder if the split with the Smoak crew had something to do with pressure from Baylor as well. They were being critical and asking hard questions when things weren't going well.

As far as Ashley, I've met him and had some conversations with him about different things, and he seems like a legit great guy, someone I can trust. I'm sure they have to tread lightly to some degree in order to stay in good graces and have access to do interviews and have the access they have privilege to.

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Can you remind me - what was Smoaky's relationship with Baylor before and what happened?

I still listen to his podcast from time to time, but between his dementia and the third wheel who is unbearable it has been a tough sledding.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I felt like this site has its nose so far up Baylors ass compared to Baylorfans. I admit I was surprised when the came out to can Dave. Maybe us formers are starting to rub off on the Cinderella's.

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So true. In the early years right after merger you could not say anything negative about Baylor at all. They even admitted people from Baylor would look at the boards for things to remove.

Even providing facts like a coaches record could earn a ban.

After rhule left they seemed to loosen up a bit.

---

I don't think the timing of their acquisition was at all coincidental. baylorfans.com was wide open and was full of people hammering the board and the administration for its bungling of the #metoo media assault, especially for firing Briles.

The premium board (which was pretty much all that existed here) on this site was very pro BOR. If you were adamant that they completely screwed that up, you were persona non grata.

I would post criticisms on Baylorfans and generally get agreement, then post them here and mostly get disagreement. And these forums were more heavily moderated.

Then, interestingly, Baylorfans.com was acquired by sicem365. And all of a sudden, the free board that matriculated over here started becoming more moderated, along with people from the premium board parachuting in to try to enforce right thinking, and with apparent perusal of actual inside Baylor folks.

I was critical, and got called out, once with Ashley Hodge using my real life initials contrary to website terms. I thought that was a lot of bull***** I felt like my criticisms were reasonable and based in fact, and I did have a fair amount of sympathy for them I'm trying to run a Baylor message board in that difficult environment. But I was still gonna say what I thought.

I also had people send me the pro-BoR "inside information" plenty of times, which never had anything really new or different or particularly enlightening in it, especially compared to the stuff I was getting from all the people on the ground on both sides of the issue in Waco.

I dropped my premium subscription just because, frankly, the company groupthink enforced by peer pressure was flat out obnoxious and not particularly well argued.

(One aside that I find interesting, I give to Baylor at a pretty high level. I'm not a BMD. But I run with a lot of people that have given a Baylor for a long time, at reasonably high levels, and have a ton of family and friends that are Baylor peopl. The ones I know in person overwhelmingly agree that the way we handled that controversy, especially firing Briles, was an atrocious mistake. But interestingly, on the premium website here, the general current is to the opposite. I'm not sure why, but I could not tell you how many Baylor people I know, and I don't know a single one that will say they think firing Briles was a good idea. On this website, it's different.)

All in all, the acquisition did not completely kill the free board, but it wounded it severely. I think it also did a great disservice to robust debate surrounding Baylor issues. And I think there was probably a dynamic going on behind the scenes that made all of that intentional.

So I have little to no sympathy for the complaint that they are not making money on it. If that's a problem, spin it back out and let jason or his appointee run it again.

---

I wonder if the split with the Smoak crew had something to do with pressure from Baylor as well. They were being critical and asking hard questions when things weren't going well.

As far as Ashley, I've met him and had some conversations with him about different things, and he seems like a legit great guy, someone I can trust. I'm sure they have to tread lightly to some degree in order to stay in good graces and have access to do interviews and have the access they have privilege to.

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Can you remind me - what was Smoaky's relationship with Baylor before and what happened?

I still listen to his podcast from time to time, but between his dementia and the third wheel who is unbearable it has been a tough sledding.

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I agree on the third wheel. I skip ahead when he talks. Smoaky was just a long time sports reporter who ended up in Waco and built up a really good thing on the local radio thing, replacing the old Butch Henrey/Tom Barfield debacle. Then the radio station decided to bail on the whole thing and go super cheap and the Smoak crew ended up hooking up with sicem365 and did a lot of video content.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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bizarre to me that y'all think the Premium board is substantively different than the Free side regarding prevailing opinions: the majority of Premium users have wanted Dave fired since late '22, and have loudly stated so...

Baylor's leadership doesn't scan these boards for guidance or justification - none of our stances matter to their decision making.

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Since it is not showing you as Premium member under this user name what user name alt do you use on the Premium board to scold us on our inaccuracies?

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same name. If you have premium access you can still see all my premium posts I'm sure.

I quit paying (after subscribing for about 3.5 years) because just like the Free boards, the Premium side is mostly a pessimistic echo chamber.

It's true, things have been a frustrating mess, I was fine with moving on from Dave in '23 and would prefer we do so now...but I've also tried to highlight positives more than negatives because wallowing in misery isn't my thing and no one who makes decisions about Baylor Football takes any of our posts into any consideration.

Depending on what happens over the next few weeks starting with the AD hire, I'll have either a whole lot of excitement for the future or none at all.

Ashley Hodge said:

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Jason is welcome to start Baylorfans.com up again, there is nothing contractually that would prevent that outcome. He can have full control over ad placements in that situation. We try to strike a balance so that it is not a complete beating from a user experience.

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Of course the only way that'd be equitable is if you were to remove the free board here and drive traffic to his site, as BaylorFans did for you.

Not saying I'd want that, but seems like the only way it'd make sense for Jason.

Dia del DougO said:

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I don't think the owners and mods were enforcing only pro-Baylor propaganda. They only moderated folks that were total pains in the ass and being disruptive.

But there were certainly a big block of members that were not tolerant of people having different views that didn't suit their pollyanna narratives. And it was so weird how they would storm down here amongst the lowly poors like they were carrying torches looking for witches to burn.

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I disagree. I know if someone who received a ban for posting Rhule's record against OU. It was temporary but still seemed excessive.

The_Mad_Shopper said:

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If nothing else, Baylorfans was great for the cruising.

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wow

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Dia del DougO said:

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I can't even remember a lot of the names of the usual posters over there. I kinda wish I could go back and review the olden days, but then again probably best to not go there.

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Several of us migrated over and are still here, often with the same usernames.

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yep

The_barBEARian said:

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Ashley Hodge said:

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this post was something else, but accurate it is not. We don't always tow the company line, certainly not in support of keeping Aranda.

But unlike some on these message boards, we do want Baylor to do well and prosper and don't think excessive negativity is the path to that outcome.

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But excessive negativity and in-fighting are some of Baylor's greatest traditions...

Taking that away would be like celebrating Oktoberfest without beer and lauderhosen...

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... und mit dem frauleines:



- der onkle fred

D!

Go Bears

Beat The Coogs!!!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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The_Mad_Shopper said:

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If nothing else, Baylorfans was great for the cruising.

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wow

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... his debauchery unbosomed ....

- uncle fred

D!

Go Bears!!

Beat The Coogs!!!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

Waves