Dia del DougO said:
And then pray that Baylor wins its last two games, gets a bowl and wins it, and everyone is happy again, basically pretend the last couple of weeks never happened.
Bearfan1998 said:
I just feel football depressed. I somehow feel worse about our football team than I was in that Canes drive thru when I heard we fired coach Briles. Just im tired of being kicked by the administration and just general attitude to football. I'm tired of everyone being ok with sub par football. I just don't know man
30aBear said:FLBear5630 said:30aBear said:FLBear5630 said:
Here is the difference between hiring a professional that expects to win and knows what it look like and a Coordinator. This is James Franklin at Virgina Tech:
"Does it look, feel, smell and operate like a big-time program?" Franklin said, per ESPN's David Hale. "All those things need to be in place. ... I think the previous coaches here were in some challenging situations. That's the truth of it.
"There's some things that we're going to have to look at, and it's not just James Franklin. It's the marketing office, the ticketing office. Everybody's got to take some time and look in the mirror and say, 'Are we operating like a big-time program?'"
Baylor, even under Briles, NEVER met this standard. Some pieces were in place, but overall it ALWAYS feels, and felt under Briles, like we were piecing it together with duct tape. We were taking other programs cast offs, we were not able to recruit both sides of the ball, and even once we got top notch facilities that games STILL felt amateurish compared to B10 and Bluebloods.
Next AD HAS to fix this or it doesn't matter who they hire.
Briles wasn't out there scooping up trash players. He found kids who fit his system. Most were 2 to 3 star guys, then he'd mix in a couple high 3 stars and a few 4 stars and make it all work.
Yeah, he took chances on some kids with off the field issues. A lot of these guys aren't coming from River Oaks, Highland Park, or any of those places. Some of the best players in the country grow up in tough situations, broken families, whatever, and football is their way out. They needed structure, a father figure, and Briles was that for them. He turned a ton of those kids around and set them on the right path.
The big programs wanted those same players too, but they'd use them up and spit them out. Briles actually invested in them. That's why his players loved him then and still do now. Some of the classiest guys to ever wear the green and gold swear by him because he changed their lives.
But now our BOR has essentially created a checklist that every recruit has to fit before we can even make an offer. Somebody stole a sandwich once? Nope, off the board. Meanwhile, those same kids can head to A&M, UT, LSU, Tech, wherever, and those schools won't think twice.
Just another hurdle the next AD and coach are going to have to deal with.
I get it. Yeah, some are classy, good guys. Others are still serving time and almost got BU the death penalty. You can't seperate one from the other.
The purpose of the post was not to get into Briles, he was brough in to show that EVEN the almighty Briles suffered from the Administration NOT being where it needs to be. AND top coaches, like Franklin, are calling them on it. Briles would have BEEN MORE successful with the organization Franklin is talking about and wouldn't HAVE TO TAKE RISKS on players he did to win.
But, naturally the Briles Mafia has to go ballistic on any conversation he was involved in. Hell, according to Iowa because he beat OSU once with a 3rd string QB we were Ohio State...
Others? Who are all these guys serving time?
Jacques Strap said:ABC BEAR said:
We have had White-Outs, Black-Outs, Gold and Green-Outs. Our next experience? Stay-Outs.
Yeah. In the off season they'll be fan check outs.
With respect to the BMDs apparently we've got sit outs.
In season, as you say, stay outs.
Most of us die hards will still be here next year to watch the trainwreck.
ABC BEAR said:Jacques Strap said:ABC BEAR said:
We have had White-Outs, Black-Outs, Gold and Green-Outs. Our next experience? Stay-Outs.
Yeah. In the off season they'll be fan check outs.
With respect to the BMDs apparently we've got sit outs.
In season, as you say, stay outs.
Most of us die hards will still be here next year to watch the trainwreck.
For sure, for sure. Waco is known for it's train wrecks, literally and figuratively.
FLBear5630 said:ABC BEAR said:Jacques Strap said:ABC BEAR said:
We have had White-Outs, Black-Outs, Gold and Green-Outs. Our next experience? Stay-Outs.
Yeah. In the off season they'll be fan check outs.
With respect to the BMDs apparently we've got sit outs.
In season, as you say, stay outs.
Most of us die hards will still be here next year to watch the trainwreck.
For sure, for sure. Waco is known for it's train wrecks, literally and figuratively.
We can sit around and tell stories of the Camelot Baylor was under Briles. It was a magical time...
As we look at the empty seats.
Both the AD and Morriss would have chosen BU over OSU.PartyBear said:
You realize he is probably already locked in and has been for a week or more at OSU. All these openings are going to have official announcements within 24 hours of the final game. These openings aren't really openings anymore except in the eyes of the public.
there is like 1….Tevin Elliot.FLBear5630 said:30aBear said:FLBear5630 said:30aBear said:FLBear5630 said:
Here is the difference between hiring a professional that expects to win and knows what it look like and a Coordinator. This is James Franklin at Virgina Tech:
"Does it look, feel, smell and operate like a big-time program?" Franklin said, per ESPN's David Hale. "All those things need to be in place. ... I think the previous coaches here were in some challenging situations. That's the truth of it.
"There's some things that we're going to have to look at, and it's not just James Franklin. It's the marketing office, the ticketing office. Everybody's got to take some time and look in the mirror and say, 'Are we operating like a big-time program?'"
Baylor, even under Briles, NEVER met this standard. Some pieces were in place, but overall it ALWAYS feels, and felt under Briles, like we were piecing it together with duct tape. We were taking other programs cast offs, we were not able to recruit both sides of the ball, and even once we got top notch facilities that games STILL felt amateurish compared to B10 and Bluebloods.
Next AD HAS to fix this or it doesn't matter who they hire.
Briles wasn't out there scooping up trash players. He found kids who fit his system. Most were 2 to 3 star guys, then he'd mix in a couple high 3 stars and a few 4 stars and make it all work.
Yeah, he took chances on some kids with off the field issues. A lot of these guys aren't coming from River Oaks, Highland Park, or any of those places. Some of the best players in the country grow up in tough situations, broken families, whatever, and football is their way out. They needed structure, a father figure, and Briles was that for them. He turned a ton of those kids around and set them on the right path.
The big programs wanted those same players too, but they'd use them up and spit them out. Briles actually invested in them. That's why his players loved him then and still do now. Some of the classiest guys to ever wear the green and gold swear by him because he changed their lives.
But now our BOR has essentially created a checklist that every recruit has to fit before we can even make an offer. Somebody stole a sandwich once? Nope, off the board. Meanwhile, those same kids can head to A&M, UT, LSU, Tech, wherever, and those schools won't think twice.
Just another hurdle the next AD and coach are going to have to deal with.
I get it. Yeah, some are classy, good guys. Others are still serving time and almost got BU the death penalty. You can't seperate one from the other.
The purpose of the post was not to get into Briles, he was brough in to show that EVEN the almighty Briles suffered from the Administration NOT being where it needs to be. AND top coaches, like Franklin, are calling them on it. Briles would have BEEN MORE successful with the organization Franklin is talking about and wouldn't HAVE TO TAKE RISKS on players he did to win.
But, naturally the Briles Mafia has to go ballistic on any conversation he was involved in. Hell, according to Iowa because he beat OSU once with a 3rd string QB we were Ohio State...
Others? Who are all these guys serving time?
None, there are none. Never was. Sorry mistook the Christian mission they were doing to help the poor. My bad. It was truly a golden era...
30aBear said:PartyBear said:
You realize he is probably already locked in and has been for a week or more at OSU. All these openings are going to have official announcements within 24 hours of the final game. These openings aren't really openings anymore except in the eyes of the public.
Both the AD and Morriss would have chosen BU over OSU.
noblackie said:30aBear said:PartyBear said:
You realize he is probably already locked in and has been for a week or more at OSU. All these openings are going to have official announcements within 24 hours of the final game. These openings aren't really openings anymore except in the eyes of the public.
Both the AD and Morriss would have chosen BU over OSU.
Based on what.....your opinion?
30aBear said:blackie said:30aBear said:PartyBear said:
You realize he is probably already locked in and has been for a week or more at OSU. All these openings are going to have official announcements within 24 hours of the final game. These openings aren't really openings anymore except in the eyes of the public.
Both the AD and Morriss would have chosen BU over OSU.
Based on what.....your opinion?
no
Dia del DougO said:
Trying to figure out the purpose and timing of the announcement.
To stamp out speculation of a new head coach, and the conclusion by everyone else that firing of DA was inevitable. And then pray that Baylor wins its last two games, gets a bowl and wins it, and everyone is happy again, basically pretend the last couple of weeks never happened.
Best I can come up with. But it's a pretty big risk. Not the best possible look. But I don't know if there is a way for it to not be awkward under the circumstances.
VaeBear said:Dia del DougO said:
Trying to figure out the purpose and timing of the announcement.
To stamp out speculation of a new head coach, and the conclusion by everyone else that firing of DA was inevitable. And then pray that Baylor wins its last two games, gets a bowl and wins it, and everyone is happy again, basically pretend the last couple of weeks never happened.
Best I can come up with. But it's a pretty big risk. Not the best possible look. But I don't know if there is a way for it to not be awkward under the circumstances.
Yeah, I can't understand why this was even put out. Why show your cards..
If we don't have the money then I get it. But now everyone including players know we don't have money to spend.
VaeBear said:Dia del DougO said:
Trying to figure out the purpose and timing of the announcement.
To stamp out speculation of a new head coach, and the conclusion by everyone else that firing of DA was inevitable. And then pray that Baylor wins its last two games, gets a bowl and wins it, and everyone is happy again, basically pretend the last couple of weeks never happened.
Best I can come up with. But it's a pretty big risk. Not the best possible look. But I don't know if there is a way for it to not be awkward under the circumstances.
Yeah, I can't understand why this was even put out. Why show your cards..
If we don't have the money then I get it. But now everyone including players know we don't have money to spend.
North Tx BMD that knows Morris.blackie said:30aBear said:blackie said:30aBear said:PartyBear said:
You realize he is probably already locked in and has been for a week or more at OSU. All these openings are going to have official announcements within 24 hours of the final game. These openings aren't really openings anymore except in the eyes of the public.
Both the AD and Morriss would have chosen BU over OSU.
Based on what.....your opinion?
no
then what? If you are going to make such a statement, it needs to be backed up. And also remember that the job of an AD involves more than a good football season.
30aBear said:North Tx BMD that knows Morris.blackie said:30aBear said:blackie said:30aBear said:PartyBear said:
You realize he is probably already locked in and has been for a week or more at OSU. All these openings are going to have official announcements within 24 hours of the final game. These openings aren't really openings anymore except in the eyes of the public.
Both the AD and Morriss would have chosen BU over OSU.
Based on what.....your opinion?
no
then what? If you are going to make such a statement, it needs to be backed up. And also remember that the job of an AD involves more than a good football season.
2Bears said:
They should have watched this garbage of a game before they made that announcement! It is difficult to imagine anyone actually showing up for the Houston game or buying tickets to watch this again next year.
TheAgentGrant said:
And CDA was smiling midfield after the game and getting his ass beat.
TheAgentGrant said:
And CDA was smiling midfield after the game and getting his ass beat.
TheAgentGrant said:
And CDA was smiling midfield after the game and getting his ass beat.
TheAgentGrant said:
You're free to read it your way, but the point stands. The optics were bad, and they fit a broader pattern that's hard to ignore. Noting that isn't "out of context" it's acknowledging the results. If you see it differently, that's fine, but it doesn't change the substance.
When you just got embarrassed on TV I'd think you'd want to get off the field and talk to your team…..but that's just me.blackie said:TheAgentGrant said:
You're free to read it your way, but the point stands. The optics were bad, and they fit a broader pattern that's hard to ignore. Noting that isn't "out of context" it's acknowledging the results. If you see it differently, that's fine, but it doesn't change the substance.
What was the substance? What was said that created the smiles? Yeah, none of us know. I often get mad, but that doesn't mean something isn't said in the conversation that can bring a smile. I suspect if honest, this happens to you as well.
