bear2be2 said:

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blackie said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Time to start "Fire Linda" chants at games? I know it helped play a part in the Mavs organization finally stepping away from dumbass Nico.

Although… I guess it's hard to get much momentum with a chant with no fans in the stands.

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The best thing we could do is to each go out and buy a megaphone. I hear they now have recordings on them with a continous loop. We could make whatever recording we want and place it on a continuous loop. It would take security probably a half hour to shut all of us up. We may get kicked out of the stadium for good, but hey that's the price you pay.

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The best things fans can do is stop showing up to games at all.

Money is the only language these people speak, and boycott power is the only actual power fans have.

People need to stop paying for products they don't like and aren't satisfied with. Continued purchase of any product is a seal of approval/vote of confidence, no matter how loud you complain about it between purchases.

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What is the point of this? I thought everyone knows that Aranda is gone within a year unless we are headed to a 9 or more win season next season, which isn't likely. Is it really hard to read between these lines or the tea leaves here?

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The point of it is pretty clear to everyone but you. You shouldn't support weak leaders or defend indefensible positions.

And every ticket purchase is a show of support.

Rank-and-file fans are a constituency ... and a pretty damn important one, frankly. When sports owners/school administrators forget that, the only way to make your voice heard is through your absence.

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How would you handle it? Since you know more than everyone else including the Baylor administration, tell us how you would be handling all of this? Instead of attacking everyone put yourself in record for once, how would you be handling this?

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With the sense of urgency it deserves.

Everyone, myself included, has acknowledged the logistical challenges Mack's philandering has caused. But that just makes things more difficult, not impossible.

And one person's bad choices shouldn't keep an organization from making its own difficult -- but necessary -- decisions.

I would identify the best attainable AD/coach combos -- Mosley/Morris at UNT, Dickey/Danielson at Boise State, Campos/Traylor at UTSA, etc. -- and see who you could get to bite. Then I'd offer a fair head coaching contract that's easy to escape after two or three years if things don't work out so you never again find yourself in our current situation with Aranda, where you're forced to keep a ****ty coach because you've tied yourself to tens of millions of dollars in buyout money.

Dave Aranda is not only killing our football program. He's killing our fanbase. Keeping him another year is a disaster -- and one that will make an eventual recovery far more difficult. It is very much akin to keeping Steele for a fourth year in 2002 and Morriss for a fifth year in 2007. Most acknowledged those things as clear, program-harming mistakes in real time and everyone does in hindsight. There's no need whatsoever to repeat that mistake in 2026.

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I doubt you would find any credible coach that would be willing to be given only 2 or 3 years.

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I didn't say a two- or three-year contract. I said a fair contract you could escape after that length of time if need be, which is referring to reasonable buyout clauses.

And those that think we couldn't get a good G5 coach for $4 or $4.5 million a year need to look at what G5 coaches actually make. That would be more than doubling most of those guys' annual salary.

Jeff Traylor is among the highest paid G5 coaches in the country at $2.8 million a year, and Eric Morris makes less than half that. Baylor wouldn't have any trouble whatsoever attracting a good G5 coach, just as it didn't after Morriss or following the Briles scandal.

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I guess you need to define what that fair contract looks like. Plus in looking at money you have to include Aranda and hist staff's buyout.

But, the hire needs to be done by a competent AD, not a bunch of yahoos from Pat Neff.

North Texas officials and boosters have moved quickly behind the scenes in an effort to retain Eric Morris.

Here's the untold story of what has transpired ...

— A dinner meeting
— Boosters agreeing to contribute more
— UNT pledging more in NIL fundshttps://t.co/P8bEG2Mqg8

— Brett Vito (@brettvito) November 23, 2025

If we are keeping Dave can we bring in Aurich?

Incredible job this fall by San Diego State coach Sean Lewis and first-year defensive coordinator Rob Aurich. The Aztecs have three shutouts and have allowed 54 total points in their nine victories (6 ppg). pic.twitter.com/giDqX11yu8

— Adam Rittenberg (@ESPNRittenberg) November 23, 2025

Youre a clown said:

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I predict that we will be in the AAC with a couple Sunbelt members and maybe a few big 12 leftovers within the next eight years. The issue like so many problems is money.

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That would be a dream come true for Linda. A Magnolia Conference with small private schools, including Howard Payne, Hardin Simmons, ETBU, and SAGU.

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Youre a clown said:

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I predict that we will be in the AAC with a couple Sunbelt members and maybe a few big 12 leftovers within the next eight years. The issue like so many problems is money.

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That would be a dream come true for Linda. A Magnolia Conference with small private schools, including Howard Payne, Hardin Simmons, ETBU, and SAGU.

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Baylor and UMHB would be called "The Sibling Rivalry".

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Youre a clown said:

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I predict that we will be in the AAC with a couple Sunbelt members and maybe a few big 12 leftovers within the next eight years. The issue like so many problems is money.

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That would be a dream come true for Linda. A Magnolia Conference with small private schools, including Howard Payne, Hardin Simmons, ETBU, and SAGU.

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she works at the pleasure of the BOR. they must think she is doing a good job. any word that they want her gone?

Yogi said:

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Bandito said:

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Youre a clown said:

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I predict that we will be in the AAC with a couple Sunbelt members and maybe a few big 12 leftovers within the next eight years. The issue like so many problems is money.

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That would be a dream come true for Linda. A Magnolia Conference with small private schools, including Howard Payne, Hardin Simmons, ETBU, and SAGU.

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Baylor and UMHB would be called "The Sinling Rivalry".

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At least at UMHB I would be able to shoot games again.

FLBear5630 said:

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Bandito said:

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Youre a clown said:

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I predict that we will be in the AAC with a couple Sunbelt members and maybe a few big 12 leftovers within the next eight years. The issue like so many problems is money.

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That would be a dream come true for Linda. A Magnolia Conference with small private schools, including Howard Payne, Hardin Simmons, ETBU, and SAGU.

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she works at the pleasure of the BOR. they must think she is doing a good job. any word that they want her gone?

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we can only wish. Rufus Burleson.

Of interest for OK State(?) and CFB fans. Crazy young trio in Denton.

QB Mestemaker (RS-Fr) - 3,469 yds, 26 TD, 4 INT + 5 rushing TD

RB Hawkins (Frosh) - 1,030 yds, 19 TD | 306 yards rec, 3 TD

WR Young (Soph) - 1,076 yds, 10 TD + 1 rush TD https://t.co/l0t07Hy8Ze

— Craig Smoak (@CraigSmoak) November 23, 2025

Dia del DougO said:

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Yogi said:

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Bandito said:

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Youre a clown said:

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I predict that we will be in the AAC with a couple Sunbelt members and maybe a few big 12 leftovers within the next eight years. The issue like so many problems is money.

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That would be a dream come true for Linda. A Magnolia Conference with small private schools, including Howard Payne, Hardin Simmons, ETBU, and SAGU.

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Baylor and UMHB would be called "The Sinling Rivalry".

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At least at UMHB I would be able to shoot games again.

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I didn't realize you no longer take pictures at games. What happened to that?

blackie said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Time to start "Fire Linda" chants at games? I know it helped play a part in the Mavs organization finally stepping away from dumbass Nico.

Although… I guess it's hard to get much momentum with a chant with no fans in the stands.

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The best thing we could do is to each go out and buy a megaphone. I hear they now have recordings on them with a continous loop. We could make whatever recording we want and place it on a continuous loop. It would take security probably a half hour to shut all of us up. We may get kicked out of the stadium for good, but hey that's the price you pay.

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The best things fans can do is stop showing up to games at all.

Money is the only language these people speak, and boycott power is the only actual power fans have.

People need to stop paying for products they don't like and aren't satisfied with. Continued purchase of any product is a seal of approval/vote of confidence, no matter how loud you complain about it between purchases.

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What is the point of this? I thought everyone knows that Aranda is gone within a year unless we are headed to a 9 or more win season next season, which isn't likely. Is it really hard to read between these lines or the tea leaves here?

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The point of it is pretty clear to everyone but you. You shouldn't support weak leaders or defend indefensible positions.

And every ticket purchase is a show of support.

Rank-and-file fans are a constituency ... and a pretty damn important one, frankly. When sports owners/school administrators forget that, the only way to make your voice heard is through your absence.

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How would you handle it? Since you know more than everyone else including the Baylor administration, tell us how you would be handling all of this? Instead of attacking everyone put yourself in record for once, how would you be handling this?

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With the sense of urgency it deserves.

Everyone, myself included, has acknowledged the logistical challenges Mack's philandering has caused. But that just makes things more difficult, not impossible.

And one person's bad choices shouldn't keep an organization from making its own difficult -- but necessary -- decisions.

I would identify the best attainable AD/coach combos -- Mosley/Morris at UNT, Dickey/Danielson at Boise State, Campos/Traylor at UTSA, etc. -- and see who you could get to bite. Then I'd offer a fair head coaching contract that's easy to escape after two or three years if things don't work out so you never again find yourself in our current situation with Aranda, where you're forced to keep a ****ty coach because you've tied yourself to tens of millions of dollars in buyout money.

Dave Aranda is not only killing our football program. He's killing our fanbase. Keeping him another year is a disaster -- and one that will make an eventual recovery far more difficult. It is very much akin to keeping Steele for a fourth year in 2002 and Morriss for a fifth year in 2007. Most acknowledged those things as clear, program-harming mistakes in real time and everyone does in hindsight. There's no need whatsoever to repeat that mistake in 2026.

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I doubt you would find any credible coach that would be willing to be given only 2 or 3 years.

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This. It would at a minimum have to be 5 years, as high school recruits will not come for less than the length of the current NCAA eligibility. In all likelihood, it would have to be 6-7 years. Also, putting that to the side, Baylor will likely have to live with its next coach for a while regardless of how bad things could become.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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blackie said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Time to start "Fire Linda" chants at games? I know it helped play a part in the Mavs organization finally stepping away from dumbass Nico.

Although… I guess it's hard to get much momentum with a chant with no fans in the stands.

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The best thing we could do is to each go out and buy a megaphone. I hear they now have recordings on them with a continous loop. We could make whatever recording we want and place it on a continuous loop. It would take security probably a half hour to shut all of us up. We may get kicked out of the stadium for good, but hey that's the price you pay.

---

The best things fans can do is stop showing up to games at all.

Money is the only language these people speak, and boycott power is the only actual power fans have.

People need to stop paying for products they don't like and aren't satisfied with. Continued purchase of any product is a seal of approval/vote of confidence, no matter how loud you complain about it between purchases.

---

What is the point of this? I thought everyone knows that Aranda is gone within a year unless we are headed to a 9 or more win season next season, which isn't likely. Is it really hard to read between these lines or the tea leaves here?

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The point of it is pretty clear to everyone but you. You shouldn't support weak leaders or defend indefensible positions.

And every ticket purchase is a show of support.

Rank-and-file fans are a constituency ... and a pretty damn important one, frankly. When sports owners/school administrators forget that, the only way to make your voice heard is through your absence.

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How would you handle it? Since you know more than everyone else including the Baylor administration, tell us how you would be handling all of this? Instead of attacking everyone put yourself in record for once, how would you be handling this?

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With the sense of urgency it deserves.

Everyone, myself included, has acknowledged the logistical challenges Mack's philandering has caused. But that just makes things more difficult, not impossible.

And one person's bad choices shouldn't keep an organization from making its own difficult -- but necessary -- decisions.

I would identify the best attainable AD/coach combos -- Mosley/Morris at UNT, Dickey/Danielson at Boise State, Campos/Traylor at UTSA, etc. -- and see who you could get to bite. Then I'd offer a fair head coaching contract that's easy to escape after two or three years if things don't work out so you never again find yourself in our current situation with Aranda, where you're forced to keep a ****ty coach because you've tied yourself to tens of millions of dollars in buyout money.

Dave Aranda is not only killing our football program. He's killing our fanbase. Keeping him another year is a disaster -- and one that will make an eventual recovery far more difficult. It is very much akin to keeping Steele for a fourth year in 2002 and Morriss for a fifth year in 2007. Most acknowledged those things as clear, program-harming mistakes in real time and everyone does in hindsight. There's no need whatsoever to repeat that mistake in 2026.

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I doubt you would find any credible coach that would be willing to be given only 2 or 3 years.

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This. It would at a minimum have to be 5 years, as high school recruits will not come for less than the length of the current NCAA eligibility. In all likelihood, it would have to be 6-7 years. Also, putting that to the side, Baylor will likely have to live with its next coach for a while regardless of how bad things could become.

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High school recruits are coming now with Aranda having at most probably one year. Money has changed everything.

Groundhog's day every Monday

Head coach Dave Aranda’s message to the fanbase on why things can get better:

“I think there is a great want-to, determination, collective ownership of guys on this team. I think they very much want to be able to break through this ceiling of not getting wins. There’s great,… pic.twitter.com/dNxMTYqhlF

— Baylor Bears on SicEm365 (@SicEm365) November 24, 2025

30aBear said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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blackie said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Time to start "Fire Linda" chants at games? I know it helped play a part in the Mavs organization finally stepping away from dumbass Nico.

Although… I guess it's hard to get much momentum with a chant with no fans in the stands.

---

The best thing we could do is to each go out and buy a megaphone. I hear they now have recordings on them with a continous loop. We could make whatever recording we want and place it on a continuous loop. It would take security probably a half hour to shut all of us up. We may get kicked out of the stadium for good, but hey that's the price you pay.

---

The best things fans can do is stop showing up to games at all.

Money is the only language these people speak, and boycott power is the only actual power fans have.

People need to stop paying for products they don't like and aren't satisfied with. Continued purchase of any product is a seal of approval/vote of confidence, no matter how loud you complain about it between purchases.

---

What is the point of this? I thought everyone knows that Aranda is gone within a year unless we are headed to a 9 or more win season next season, which isn't likely. Is it really hard to read between these lines or the tea leaves here?

---

The point of it is pretty clear to everyone but you. You shouldn't support weak leaders or defend indefensible positions.

And every ticket purchase is a show of support.

Rank-and-file fans are a constituency ... and a pretty damn important one, frankly. When sports owners/school administrators forget that, the only way to make your voice heard is through your absence.

---

How would you handle it? Since you know more than everyone else including the Baylor administration, tell us how you would be handling all of this? Instead of attacking everyone put yourself in record for once, how would you be handling this?

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With the sense of urgency it deserves.

Everyone, myself included, has acknowledged the logistical challenges Mack's philandering has caused. But that just makes things more difficult, not impossible.

And one person's bad choices shouldn't keep an organization from making its own difficult -- but necessary -- decisions.

I would identify the best attainable AD/coach combos -- Mosley/Morris at UNT, Dickey/Danielson at Boise State, Campos/Traylor at UTSA, etc. -- and see who you could get to bite. Then I'd offer a fair head coaching contract that's easy to escape after two or three years if things don't work out so you never again find yourself in our current situation with Aranda, where you're forced to keep a ****ty coach because you've tied yourself to tens of millions of dollars in buyout money.

Dave Aranda is not only killing our football program. He's killing our fanbase. Keeping him another year is a disaster -- and one that will make an eventual recovery far more difficult. It is very much akin to keeping Steele for a fourth year in 2002 and Morriss for a fifth year in 2007. Most acknowledged those things as clear, program-harming mistakes in real time and everyone does in hindsight. There's no need whatsoever to repeat that mistake in 2026.

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I doubt you would find any credible coach that would be willing to be given only 2 or 3 years.

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This. It would at a minimum have to be 5 years, as high school recruits will not come for less than the length of the current NCAA eligibility. In all likelihood, it would have to be 6-7 years. Also, putting that to the side, Baylor will likely have to live with its next coach for a while regardless of how bad things could become.

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High school recruits are coming now with Aranda having at most probably one year. Money has changed everything.

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Only kids we are keeping are the developmental ones. Any that are contested by P4 schools, will be tough sell to keep.

FLBear5630 said:

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30aBear said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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blackie said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Time to start "Fire Linda" chants at games? I know it helped play a part in the Mavs organization finally stepping away from dumbass Nico.

Although… I guess it's hard to get much momentum with a chant with no fans in the stands.

---

The best thing we could do is to each go out and buy a megaphone. I hear they now have recordings on them with a continous loop. We could make whatever recording we want and place it on a continuous loop. It would take security probably a half hour to shut all of us up. We may get kicked out of the stadium for good, but hey that's the price you pay.

---

The best things fans can do is stop showing up to games at all.

Money is the only language these people speak, and boycott power is the only actual power fans have.

People need to stop paying for products they don't like and aren't satisfied with. Continued purchase of any product is a seal of approval/vote of confidence, no matter how loud you complain about it between purchases.

---

What is the point of this? I thought everyone knows that Aranda is gone within a year unless we are headed to a 9 or more win season next season, which isn't likely. Is it really hard to read between these lines or the tea leaves here?

---

The point of it is pretty clear to everyone but you. You shouldn't support weak leaders or defend indefensible positions.

And every ticket purchase is a show of support.

Rank-and-file fans are a constituency ... and a pretty damn important one, frankly. When sports owners/school administrators forget that, the only way to make your voice heard is through your absence.

---

How would you handle it? Since you know more than everyone else including the Baylor administration, tell us how you would be handling all of this? Instead of attacking everyone put yourself in record for once, how would you be handling this?

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With the sense of urgency it deserves.

Everyone, myself included, has acknowledged the logistical challenges Mack's philandering has caused. But that just makes things more difficult, not impossible.

And one person's bad choices shouldn't keep an organization from making its own difficult -- but necessary -- decisions.

I would identify the best attainable AD/coach combos -- Mosley/Morris at UNT, Dickey/Danielson at Boise State, Campos/Traylor at UTSA, etc. -- and see who you could get to bite. Then I'd offer a fair head coaching contract that's easy to escape after two or three years if things don't work out so you never again find yourself in our current situation with Aranda, where you're forced to keep a ****ty coach because you've tied yourself to tens of millions of dollars in buyout money.

Dave Aranda is not only killing our football program. He's killing our fanbase. Keeping him another year is a disaster -- and one that will make an eventual recovery far more difficult. It is very much akin to keeping Steele for a fourth year in 2002 and Morriss for a fifth year in 2007. Most acknowledged those things as clear, program-harming mistakes in real time and everyone does in hindsight. There's no need whatsoever to repeat that mistake in 2026.

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I doubt you would find any credible coach that would be willing to be given only 2 or 3 years.

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This. It would at a minimum have to be 5 years, as high school recruits will not come for less than the length of the current NCAA eligibility. In all likelihood, it would have to be 6-7 years. Also, putting that to the side, Baylor will likely have to live with its next coach for a while regardless of how bad things could become.

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High school recruits are coming now with Aranda having at most probably one year. Money has changed everything.

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Only kids we are keeping are the developmental ones. Any that are contested by P4 schools, will be tough sell to keep.

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It may be different this time, but every year people here have said the same thing.....and the players stayed. Will just have to wait and see.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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blackie said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Time to start "Fire Linda" chants at games? I know it helped play a part in the Mavs organization finally stepping away from dumbass Nico.

Although… I guess it's hard to get much momentum with a chant with no fans in the stands.

---

The best thing we could do is to each go out and buy a megaphone. I hear they now have recordings on them with a continous loop. We could make whatever recording we want and place it on a continuous loop. It would take security probably a half hour to shut all of us up. We may get kicked out of the stadium for good, but hey that's the price you pay.

---

The best things fans can do is stop showing up to games at all.

Money is the only language these people speak, and boycott power is the only actual power fans have.

People need to stop paying for products they don't like and aren't satisfied with. Continued purchase of any product is a seal of approval/vote of confidence, no matter how loud you complain about it between purchases.

---

What is the point of this? I thought everyone knows that Aranda is gone within a year unless we are headed to a 9 or more win season next season, which isn't likely. Is it really hard to read between these lines or the tea leaves here?

---

The point of it is pretty clear to everyone but you. You shouldn't support weak leaders or defend indefensible positions.

And every ticket purchase is a show of support.

Rank-and-file fans are a constituency ... and a pretty damn important one, frankly. When sports owners/school administrators forget that, the only way to make your voice heard is through your absence.

---

How would you handle it? Since you know more than everyone else including the Baylor administration, tell us how you would be handling all of this? Instead of attacking everyone put yourself in record for once, how would you be handling this?

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With the sense of urgency it deserves.

Everyone, myself included, has acknowledged the logistical challenges Mack's philandering has caused. But that just makes things more difficult, not impossible.

And one person's bad choices shouldn't keep an organization from making its own difficult -- but necessary -- decisions.

I would identify the best attainable AD/coach combos -- Mosley/Morris at UNT, Dickey/Danielson at Boise State, Campos/Traylor at UTSA, etc. -- and see who you could get to bite. Then I'd offer a fair head coaching contract that's easy to escape after two or three years if things don't work out so you never again find yourself in our current situation with Aranda, where you're forced to keep a ****ty coach because you've tied yourself to tens of millions of dollars in buyout money.

Dave Aranda is not only killing our football program. He's killing our fanbase. Keeping him another year is a disaster -- and one that will make an eventual recovery far more difficult. It is very much akin to keeping Steele for a fourth year in 2002 and Morriss for a fifth year in 2007. Most acknowledged those things as clear, program-harming mistakes in real time and everyone does in hindsight. There's no need whatsoever to repeat that mistake in 2026.

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I doubt you would find any credible coach that would be willing to be given only 2 or 3 years.

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This. It would at a minimum have to be 5 years, as high school recruits will not come for less than the length of the current NCAA eligibility. In all likelihood, it would have to be 6-7 years. Also, putting that to the side, Baylor will likely have to live with its next coach for a while regardless of how bad things could become.

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This is absurd. The standard Power 4 contract is five years and there is no reason whatsoever to go beyond that.

A coach will almost always be fired or extended before the original term is served. And programs (other than ours, of course) are getting less and less patient with losing coaches.

The trend going forward for new hire head coaching contacts will be shorter terms, not longer ones. But leave it to our program to remain behind the times and playing catch-up.

30aBear said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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blackie said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Time to start "Fire Linda" chants at games? I know it helped play a part in the Mavs organization finally stepping away from dumbass Nico.

Although… I guess it's hard to get much momentum with a chant with no fans in the stands.

---

The best thing we could do is to each go out and buy a megaphone. I hear they now have recordings on them with a continous loop. We could make whatever recording we want and place it on a continuous loop. It would take security probably a half hour to shut all of us up. We may get kicked out of the stadium for good, but hey that's the price you pay.

---

The best things fans can do is stop showing up to games at all.

Money is the only language these people speak, and boycott power is the only actual power fans have.

People need to stop paying for products they don't like and aren't satisfied with. Continued purchase of any product is a seal of approval/vote of confidence, no matter how loud you complain about it between purchases.

---

What is the point of this? I thought everyone knows that Aranda is gone within a year unless we are headed to a 9 or more win season next season, which isn't likely. Is it really hard to read between these lines or the tea leaves here?

---

The point of it is pretty clear to everyone but you. You shouldn't support weak leaders or defend indefensible positions.

And every ticket purchase is a show of support.

Rank-and-file fans are a constituency ... and a pretty damn important one, frankly. When sports owners/school administrators forget that, the only way to make your voice heard is through your absence.

---

How would you handle it? Since you know more than everyone else including the Baylor administration, tell us how you would be handling all of this? Instead of attacking everyone put yourself in record for once, how would you be handling this?

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With the sense of urgency it deserves.

Everyone, myself included, has acknowledged the logistical challenges Mack's philandering has caused. But that just makes things more difficult, not impossible.

And one person's bad choices shouldn't keep an organization from making its own difficult -- but necessary -- decisions.

I would identify the best attainable AD/coach combos -- Mosley/Morris at UNT, Dickey/Danielson at Boise State, Campos/Traylor at UTSA, etc. -- and see who you could get to bite. Then I'd offer a fair head coaching contract that's easy to escape after two or three years if things don't work out so you never again find yourself in our current situation with Aranda, where you're forced to keep a ****ty coach because you've tied yourself to tens of millions of dollars in buyout money.

Dave Aranda is not only killing our football program. He's killing our fanbase. Keeping him another year is a disaster -- and one that will make an eventual recovery far more difficult. It is very much akin to keeping Steele for a fourth year in 2002 and Morriss for a fifth year in 2007. Most acknowledged those things as clear, program-harming mistakes in real time and everyone does in hindsight. There's no need whatsoever to repeat that mistake in 2026.

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I doubt you would find any credible coach that would be willing to be given only 2 or 3 years.

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This. It would at a minimum have to be 5 years, as high school recruits will not come for less than the length of the current NCAA eligibility. In all likelihood, it would have to be 6-7 years. Also, putting that to the side, Baylor will likely have to live with its next coach for a while regardless of how bad things could become.

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High school recruits are coming now with Aranda having at most probably one year. Money has changed everything.

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Contrary to popular belief on this forum, (a) not every football recruit ends up getting offered a ton of money to transfer, (b) not every football recruit that enters the transfer portal even finds an actual transfer destination, and (c) national titles in the NIL era have largely still rested on the core of high school recruiting and the associated development of such recruits with the portal plugging the holes with difference makers.

bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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blackie said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Time to start "Fire Linda" chants at games? I know it helped play a part in the Mavs organization finally stepping away from dumbass Nico.

Although… I guess it's hard to get much momentum with a chant with no fans in the stands.

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The best thing we could do is to each go out and buy a megaphone. I hear they now have recordings on them with a continous loop. We could make whatever recording we want and place it on a continuous loop. It would take security probably a half hour to shut all of us up. We may get kicked out of the stadium for good, but hey that's the price you pay.

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The best things fans can do is stop showing up to games at all.

Money is the only language these people speak, and boycott power is the only actual power fans have.

People need to stop paying for products they don't like and aren't satisfied with. Continued purchase of any product is a seal of approval/vote of confidence, no matter how loud you complain about it between purchases.

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What is the point of this? I thought everyone knows that Aranda is gone within a year unless we are headed to a 9 or more win season next season, which isn't likely. Is it really hard to read between these lines or the tea leaves here?

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The point of it is pretty clear to everyone but you. You shouldn't support weak leaders or defend indefensible positions.

And every ticket purchase is a show of support.

Rank-and-file fans are a constituency ... and a pretty damn important one, frankly. When sports owners/school administrators forget that, the only way to make your voice heard is through your absence.

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How would you handle it? Since you know more than everyone else including the Baylor administration, tell us how you would be handling all of this? Instead of attacking everyone put yourself in record for once, how would you be handling this?

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With the sense of urgency it deserves.

Everyone, myself included, has acknowledged the logistical challenges Mack's philandering has caused. But that just makes things more difficult, not impossible.

And one person's bad choices shouldn't keep an organization from making its own difficult -- but necessary -- decisions.

I would identify the best attainable AD/coach combos -- Mosley/Morris at UNT, Dickey/Danielson at Boise State, Campos/Traylor at UTSA, etc. -- and see who you could get to bite. Then I'd offer a fair head coaching contract that's easy to escape after two or three years if things don't work out so you never again find yourself in our current situation with Aranda, where you're forced to keep a ****ty coach because you've tied yourself to tens of millions of dollars in buyout money.

Dave Aranda is not only killing our football program. He's killing our fanbase. Keeping him another year is a disaster -- and one that will make an eventual recovery far more difficult. It is very much akin to keeping Steele for a fourth year in 2002 and Morriss for a fifth year in 2007. Most acknowledged those things as clear, program-harming mistakes in real time and everyone does in hindsight. There's no need whatsoever to repeat that mistake in 2026.

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I doubt you would find any credible coach that would be willing to be given only 2 or 3 years.

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This. It would at a minimum have to be 5 years, as high school recruits will not come for less than the length of the current NCAA eligibility. In all likelihood, it would have to be 6-7 years. Also, putting that to the side, Baylor will likely have to live with its next coach for a while regardless of how bad things could become.

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This is absurd. The standard Power 4 contract is five years and there is no reason whatsoever to go beyond that.

A coach will almost always be fired or extended before the original term is served. And programs (other than ours, of course) are getting less and less patient with losing coaches.

The trend going forward for new hire head coaching contacts will be shorter terms, not longer ones. But leave it to our program to remain behind the times and playing catch-up.

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It doesn't sound like there is a really a disagreement if we are agreed on 5 years being the minimum.

Regarding longer terms, the Baylor fanbase may not actually be made aware of the length of the initial term given that Baylor is private, but, looking at some of the public contracts, initial terms of longer than 5 years is not unheard of as Cincinnati (Satterfield), Louisville (Brohm), Nebraska (Rhule), Wisconsin (Fickell), USF (Golesh), etc. all had initial terms of longer than 5 years. The concern in the case of Baylor is that if it gets into a battle with another program over an in-demand coach, it's likely the concessions of that nature may be made.

and we had our opportunity

Bearsalwayswin said:

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and we had our opportunity

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I would have been so excited for next year if we had made this happen. It would've really energized our checked out fan base i think.

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Youre a clown said:

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I predict that we will be in the AAC with a couple Sunbelt members and maybe a few big 12 leftovers within the next eight years. The issue like so many problems is money.

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That would be a dream come true for Linda. A Magnolia Conference with small private schools, including Howard Payne, Hardin Simmons, ETBU, and SAGU.

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she works at the pleasure of the BOR. they must think she is doing a good job. any word that they want her gone?

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Her credentials are incredibly weak for a University President. But that is what the BOR needs. There used to be so much inbred grads Chairing Departments. That was always what held us back in national ratings. She would be excellent as head of Truett.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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blackie said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Time to start "Fire Linda" chants at games? I know it helped play a part in the Mavs organization finally stepping away from dumbass Nico.

Although… I guess it's hard to get much momentum with a chant with no fans in the stands.

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The best thing we could do is to each go out and buy a megaphone. I hear they now have recordings on them with a continous loop. We could make whatever recording we want and place it on a continuous loop. It would take security probably a half hour to shut all of us up. We may get kicked out of the stadium for good, but hey that's the price you pay.

---

The best things fans can do is stop showing up to games at all.

Money is the only language these people speak, and boycott power is the only actual power fans have.

People need to stop paying for products they don't like and aren't satisfied with. Continued purchase of any product is a seal of approval/vote of confidence, no matter how loud you complain about it between purchases.

---

What is the point of this? I thought everyone knows that Aranda is gone within a year unless we are headed to a 9 or more win season next season, which isn't likely. Is it really hard to read between these lines or the tea leaves here?

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The point of it is pretty clear to everyone but you. You shouldn't support weak leaders or defend indefensible positions.

And every ticket purchase is a show of support.

Rank-and-file fans are a constituency ... and a pretty damn important one, frankly. When sports owners/school administrators forget that, the only way to make your voice heard is through your absence.

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How would you handle it? Since you know more than everyone else including the Baylor administration, tell us how you would be handling all of this? Instead of attacking everyone put yourself in record for once, how would you be handling this?

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With the sense of urgency it deserves.

Everyone, myself included, has acknowledged the logistical challenges Mack's philandering has caused. But that just makes things more difficult, not impossible.

And one person's bad choices shouldn't keep an organization from making its own difficult -- but necessary -- decisions.

I would identify the best attainable AD/coach combos -- Mosley/Morris at UNT, Dickey/Danielson at Boise State, Campos/Traylor at UTSA, etc. -- and see who you could get to bite. Then I'd offer a fair head coaching contract that's easy to escape after two or three years if things don't work out so you never again find yourself in our current situation with Aranda, where you're forced to keep a ****ty coach because you've tied yourself to tens of millions of dollars in buyout money.

Dave Aranda is not only killing our football program. He's killing our fanbase. Keeping him another year is a disaster -- and one that will make an eventual recovery far more difficult. It is very much akin to keeping Steele for a fourth year in 2002 and Morriss for a fifth year in 2007. Most acknowledged those things as clear, program-harming mistakes in real time and everyone does in hindsight. There's no need whatsoever to repeat that mistake in 2026.

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I doubt you would find any credible coach that would be willing to be given only 2 or 3 years.

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This. It would at a minimum have to be 5 years, as high school recruits will not come for less than the length of the current NCAA eligibility. In all likelihood, it would have to be 6-7 years. Also, putting that to the side, Baylor will likely have to live with its next coach for a while regardless of how bad things could become.

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This is absurd. The standard Power 4 contract is five years and there is no reason whatsoever to go beyond that.

A coach will almost always be fired or extended before the original term is served. And programs (other than ours, of course) are getting less and less patient with losing coaches.

The trend going forward for new hire head coaching contacts will be shorter terms, not longer ones. But leave it to our program to remain behind the times and playing catch-up.

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It doesn't sound like there is a really a disagreement if we are agreed on 5 years being the minimum.

Regarding longer terms, the Baylor fanbase may not actually be made aware of the length of the initial term given that Baylor is private, but, looking at some of the public contracts, initial terms of longer than 5 years is not unheard of as Cincinnati (Satterfield), Louisville (Brohm), Nebraska (Rhule), Wisconsin (Fickell), USF (Golesh), etc. all had initial terms of longer than 5 years. The concern in the case of Baylor is that if it gets into a battle with another program over an in-demand coach, it's likely the concessions of that nature may be made.

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Five years isn't the minimum. It's the maximum. No new hire should ever get more than four or five years in his (or her; this goes for all sports) original contract. It's that type of foolishness that have these schools paying absurd buyouts and getting locked into long-term marriages they can't get out of with ****ty coaches.

me too

boognish_bear said:

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Bearsalwayswin said:

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and we had our opportunity

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I would have been so excited for next year if we had made this happen. It would've really energized our checked out fan base i think.

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Same. Instead, I literally don't care what happens to Baylor football the next 12 months.

And that's not an exaggeration. I'll watch the games and have strong feelings during them because I've been doing that for 35 years. But between Saturdays, nothing that happens in any game will make me excited about the current state or trajectory of our program. We could go 10-2 next year (we won't) and I would still feel like we have the wrong man leading our program.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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30aBear said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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blackie said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Time to start "Fire Linda" chants at games? I know it helped play a part in the Mavs organization finally stepping away from dumbass Nico.

Although… I guess it's hard to get much momentum with a chant with no fans in the stands.

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The best thing we could do is to each go out and buy a megaphone. I hear they now have recordings on them with a continous loop. We could make whatever recording we want and place it on a continuous loop. It would take security probably a half hour to shut all of us up. We may get kicked out of the stadium for good, but hey that's the price you pay.

---

The best things fans can do is stop showing up to games at all.

Money is the only language these people speak, and boycott power is the only actual power fans have.

People need to stop paying for products they don't like and aren't satisfied with. Continued purchase of any product is a seal of approval/vote of confidence, no matter how loud you complain about it between purchases.

---

What is the point of this? I thought everyone knows that Aranda is gone within a year unless we are headed to a 9 or more win season next season, which isn't likely. Is it really hard to read between these lines or the tea leaves here?

---

The point of it is pretty clear to everyone but you. You shouldn't support weak leaders or defend indefensible positions.

And every ticket purchase is a show of support.

Rank-and-file fans are a constituency ... and a pretty damn important one, frankly. When sports owners/school administrators forget that, the only way to make your voice heard is through your absence.

---

How would you handle it? Since you know more than everyone else including the Baylor administration, tell us how you would be handling all of this? Instead of attacking everyone put yourself in record for once, how would you be handling this?

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With the sense of urgency it deserves.

Everyone, myself included, has acknowledged the logistical challenges Mack's philandering has caused. But that just makes things more difficult, not impossible.

And one person's bad choices shouldn't keep an organization from making its own difficult -- but necessary -- decisions.

I would identify the best attainable AD/coach combos -- Mosley/Morris at UNT, Dickey/Danielson at Boise State, Campos/Traylor at UTSA, etc. -- and see who you could get to bite. Then I'd offer a fair head coaching contract that's easy to escape after two or three years if things don't work out so you never again find yourself in our current situation with Aranda, where you're forced to keep a ****ty coach because you've tied yourself to tens of millions of dollars in buyout money.

Dave Aranda is not only killing our football program. He's killing our fanbase. Keeping him another year is a disaster -- and one that will make an eventual recovery far more difficult. It is very much akin to keeping Steele for a fourth year in 2002 and Morriss for a fifth year in 2007. Most acknowledged those things as clear, program-harming mistakes in real time and everyone does in hindsight. There's no need whatsoever to repeat that mistake in 2026.

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I doubt you would find any credible coach that would be willing to be given only 2 or 3 years.

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This. It would at a minimum have to be 5 years, as high school recruits will not come for less than the length of the current NCAA eligibility. In all likelihood, it would have to be 6-7 years. Also, putting that to the side, Baylor will likely have to live with its next coach for a while regardless of how bad things could become.

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High school recruits are coming now with Aranda having at most probably one year. Money has changed everything.

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Contrary to popular belief on this forum, (a) not every football recruit ends up getting offered a ton of money to transfer, (b) not every football recruit that enters the transfer portal even finds an actual transfer destination, and (c) national titles in the NIL era have largely still rested on the core of high school recruiting and the associated development of such recruits with the portal plugging the holes with difference makers.

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The key to your post is difference makers. Without them, a team is barely a Bowl team. In this era, that is the the difference between meh and playoff. See Joey and Texas Tech...

Aberzombie1892 said:

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30aBear said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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blackie said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Time to start "Fire Linda" chants at games? I know it helped play a part in the Mavs organization finally stepping away from dumbass Nico.

Although… I guess it's hard to get much momentum with a chant with no fans in the stands.

---

The best thing we could do is to each go out and buy a megaphone. I hear they now have recordings on them with a continous loop. We could make whatever recording we want and place it on a continuous loop. It would take security probably a half hour to shut all of us up. We may get kicked out of the stadium for good, but hey that's the price you pay.

---

The best things fans can do is stop showing up to games at all.

Money is the only language these people speak, and boycott power is the only actual power fans have.

People need to stop paying for products they don't like and aren't satisfied with. Continued purchase of any product is a seal of approval/vote of confidence, no matter how loud you complain about it between purchases.

---

What is the point of this? I thought everyone knows that Aranda is gone within a year unless we are headed to a 9 or more win season next season, which isn't likely. Is it really hard to read between these lines or the tea leaves here?

---

The point of it is pretty clear to everyone but you. You shouldn't support weak leaders or defend indefensible positions.

And every ticket purchase is a show of support.

Rank-and-file fans are a constituency ... and a pretty damn important one, frankly. When sports owners/school administrators forget that, the only way to make your voice heard is through your absence.

---

How would you handle it? Since you know more than everyone else including the Baylor administration, tell us how you would be handling all of this? Instead of attacking everyone put yourself in record for once, how would you be handling this?

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With the sense of urgency it deserves.

Everyone, myself included, has acknowledged the logistical challenges Mack's philandering has caused. But that just makes things more difficult, not impossible.

And one person's bad choices shouldn't keep an organization from making its own difficult -- but necessary -- decisions.

I would identify the best attainable AD/coach combos -- Mosley/Morris at UNT, Dickey/Danielson at Boise State, Campos/Traylor at UTSA, etc. -- and see who you could get to bite. Then I'd offer a fair head coaching contract that's easy to escape after two or three years if things don't work out so you never again find yourself in our current situation with Aranda, where you're forced to keep a ****ty coach because you've tied yourself to tens of millions of dollars in buyout money.

Dave Aranda is not only killing our football program. He's killing our fanbase. Keeping him another year is a disaster -- and one that will make an eventual recovery far more difficult. It is very much akin to keeping Steele for a fourth year in 2002 and Morriss for a fifth year in 2007. Most acknowledged those things as clear, program-harming mistakes in real time and everyone does in hindsight. There's no need whatsoever to repeat that mistake in 2026.

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I doubt you would find any credible coach that would be willing to be given only 2 or 3 years.

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This. It would at a minimum have to be 5 years, as high school recruits will not come for less than the length of the current NCAA eligibility. In all likelihood, it would have to be 6-7 years. Also, putting that to the side, Baylor will likely have to live with its next coach for a while regardless of how bad things could become.

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High school recruits are coming now with Aranda having at most probably one year. Money has changed everything.

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Contrary to popular belief on this forum, (a) not every football recruit ends up getting offered a ton of money to transfer, (b) not every football recruit that enters the transfer portal even finds an actual transfer destination, and (c) national titles in the NIL era have largely still rested on the core of high school recruiting and the associated development of such recruits with the portal plugging the holes with difference makers.

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Parts (a) and (b) are generally accurate. Most players in the portal are not getting large NIL offers, and a notable percentage do not find a new team.

The issue is with point (c). It is too dated to say national titles still rely primarily on high school recruiting with the portal only filling small gaps. High school recruiting remains important, but top programs now use the portal to add major contributors at critical positions. The portal has become a central roster-building tool, not just some minor supplement.

30aBear said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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30aBear said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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blackie said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Time to start "Fire Linda" chants at games? I know it helped play a part in the Mavs organization finally stepping away from dumbass Nico.

Although… I guess it's hard to get much momentum with a chant with no fans in the stands.

---

The best thing we could do is to each go out and buy a megaphone. I hear they now have recordings on them with a continous loop. We could make whatever recording we want and place it on a continuous loop. It would take security probably a half hour to shut all of us up. We may get kicked out of the stadium for good, but hey that's the price you pay.

---

The best things fans can do is stop showing up to games at all.

Money is the only language these people speak, and boycott power is the only actual power fans have.

People need to stop paying for products they don't like and aren't satisfied with. Continued purchase of any product is a seal of approval/vote of confidence, no matter how loud you complain about it between purchases.

---

What is the point of this? I thought everyone knows that Aranda is gone within a year unless we are headed to a 9 or more win season next season, which isn't likely. Is it really hard to read between these lines or the tea leaves here?

---

The point of it is pretty clear to everyone but you. You shouldn't support weak leaders or defend indefensible positions.

And every ticket purchase is a show of support.

Rank-and-file fans are a constituency ... and a pretty damn important one, frankly. When sports owners/school administrators forget that, the only way to make your voice heard is through your absence.

---

How would you handle it? Since you know more than everyone else including the Baylor administration, tell us how you would be handling all of this? Instead of attacking everyone put yourself in record for once, how would you be handling this?

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With the sense of urgency it deserves.

Everyone, myself included, has acknowledged the logistical challenges Mack's philandering has caused. But that just makes things more difficult, not impossible.

And one person's bad choices shouldn't keep an organization from making its own difficult -- but necessary -- decisions.

I would identify the best attainable AD/coach combos -- Mosley/Morris at UNT, Dickey/Danielson at Boise State, Campos/Traylor at UTSA, etc. -- and see who you could get to bite. Then I'd offer a fair head coaching contract that's easy to escape after two or three years if things don't work out so you never again find yourself in our current situation with Aranda, where you're forced to keep a ****ty coach because you've tied yourself to tens of millions of dollars in buyout money.

Dave Aranda is not only killing our football program. He's killing our fanbase. Keeping him another year is a disaster -- and one that will make an eventual recovery far more difficult. It is very much akin to keeping Steele for a fourth year in 2002 and Morriss for a fifth year in 2007. Most acknowledged those things as clear, program-harming mistakes in real time and everyone does in hindsight. There's no need whatsoever to repeat that mistake in 2026.

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I doubt you would find any credible coach that would be willing to be given only 2 or 3 years.

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This. It would at a minimum have to be 5 years, as high school recruits will not come for less than the length of the current NCAA eligibility. In all likelihood, it would have to be 6-7 years. Also, putting that to the side, Baylor will likely have to live with its next coach for a while regardless of how bad things could become.

---

High school recruits are coming now with Aranda having at most probably one year. Money has changed everything.

---

Contrary to popular belief on this forum, (a) not every football recruit ends up getting offered a ton of money to transfer, (b) not every football recruit that enters the transfer portal even finds an actual transfer destination, and (c) national titles in the NIL era have largely still rested on the core of high school recruiting and the associated development of such recruits with the portal plugging the holes with difference makers.

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Parts (a) and (b) are generally accurate. Most players in the portal are not getting large NIL offers, and a notable percentage do not find a new team.

The issue is with point (c). It is too dated to say national titles still rely primarily on high school recruiting with the portal only filling small gaps. High school recruiting remains important, but top programs now use the portal to add major contributors at critical positions. The portal has become a central roster-building tool, not just some minor supplement.

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Based on the content of (c) and the response, there does not appear to be a disagreement, as, from the national title perspective, the portal - for teams actually in the national title hunt - is for filling in gaps with difference makers. That could certainly change over time, but it does not appear to be likely anytime soon.

bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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blackie said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Time to start "Fire Linda" chants at games? I know it helped play a part in the Mavs organization finally stepping away from dumbass Nico.

Although… I guess it's hard to get much momentum with a chant with no fans in the stands.

---

The best thing we could do is to each go out and buy a megaphone. I hear they now have recordings on them with a continous loop. We could make whatever recording we want and place it on a continuous loop. It would take security probably a half hour to shut all of us up. We may get kicked out of the stadium for good, but hey that's the price you pay.

---

The best things fans can do is stop showing up to games at all.

Money is the only language these people speak, and boycott power is the only actual power fans have.

People need to stop paying for products they don't like and aren't satisfied with. Continued purchase of any product is a seal of approval/vote of confidence, no matter how loud you complain about it between purchases.

---

What is the point of this? I thought everyone knows that Aranda is gone within a year unless we are headed to a 9 or more win season next season, which isn't likely. Is it really hard to read between these lines or the tea leaves here?

---

The point of it is pretty clear to everyone but you. You shouldn't support weak leaders or defend indefensible positions.

And every ticket purchase is a show of support.

Rank-and-file fans are a constituency ... and a pretty damn important one, frankly. When sports owners/school administrators forget that, the only way to make your voice heard is through your absence.

---

How would you handle it? Since you know more than everyone else including the Baylor administration, tell us how you would be handling all of this? Instead of attacking everyone put yourself in record for once, how would you be handling this?

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With the sense of urgency it deserves.

Everyone, myself included, has acknowledged the logistical challenges Mack's philandering has caused. But that just makes things more difficult, not impossible.

And one person's bad choices shouldn't keep an organization from making its own difficult -- but necessary -- decisions.

I would identify the best attainable AD/coach combos -- Mosley/Morris at UNT, Dickey/Danielson at Boise State, Campos/Traylor at UTSA, etc. -- and see who you could get to bite. Then I'd offer a fair head coaching contract that's easy to escape after two or three years if things don't work out so you never again find yourself in our current situation with Aranda, where you're forced to keep a ****ty coach because you've tied yourself to tens of millions of dollars in buyout money.

Dave Aranda is not only killing our football program. He's killing our fanbase. Keeping him another year is a disaster -- and one that will make an eventual recovery far more difficult. It is very much akin to keeping Steele for a fourth year in 2002 and Morriss for a fifth year in 2007. Most acknowledged those things as clear, program-harming mistakes in real time and everyone does in hindsight. There's no need whatsoever to repeat that mistake in 2026.

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I doubt you would find any credible coach that would be willing to be given only 2 or 3 years.

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This. It would at a minimum have to be 5 years, as high school recruits will not come for less than the length of the current NCAA eligibility. In all likelihood, it would have to be 6-7 years. Also, putting that to the side, Baylor will likely have to live with its next coach for a while regardless of how bad things could become.

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This is absurd. The standard Power 4 contract is five years and there is no reason whatsoever to go beyond that.

A coach will almost always be fired or extended before the original term is served. And programs (other than ours, of course) are getting less and less patient with losing coaches.

The trend going forward for new hire head coaching contacts will be shorter terms, not longer ones. But leave it to our program to remain behind the times and playing catch-up.

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It doesn't sound like there is a really a disagreement if we are agreed on 5 years being the minimum.

Regarding longer terms, the Baylor fanbase may not actually be made aware of the length of the initial term given that Baylor is private, but, looking at some of the public contracts, initial terms of longer than 5 years is not unheard of as Cincinnati (Satterfield), Louisville (Brohm), Nebraska (Rhule), Wisconsin (Fickell), USF (Golesh), etc. all had initial terms of longer than 5 years. The concern in the case of Baylor is that if it gets into a battle with another program over an in-demand coach, it's likely the concessions of that nature may be made.

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Five years isn't the minimum. It's the maximum. No new hire should ever get more than four or five years in his (or her; this goes for all sports) original contract. It's that type of foolishness that have these schools paying absurd buyouts and getting locked into long-term marriages they can't get out of with ****ty coaches.

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Well, sure, but the (relatively) free market for head coaches in football sets 5 at the minimum with more than a few round above that and that's likely a reflection of the competition for in-demand coaches.

boognish_bear said:

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Groundhog's day every Monday

Head coach Dave Aranda’s message to the fanbase on why things can get better:

“I think there is a great want-to, determination, collective ownership of guys on this team. I think they very much want to be able to break through this ceiling of not getting wins. There’s great,… pic.twitter.com/dNxMTYqhlF

— Baylor Bears on SicEm365 (@SicEm365) November 24, 2025

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You know what, Dave?

We have "want to" as well.

We want to win.

"Want to" is worthless without "execution".

bear2be2 said:

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This is absurd. The standard Power 4 contract is five years and there is no reason whatsoever to go beyond that.

A coach will almost always be fired or extended before the original term is served. And programs (other than ours, of course) are getting less and less patient with losing coaches.

The trend going forward for new hire head coaching contacts will be shorter terms, not longer ones. But leave it to our program to remain behind the times and playing catch-up.

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not all trends are good. Maybe the next three years after all of this season's turmoil will show whether extremely short leashes work or don't.

Based on the NFL's history, leash length is a crap shoot - very short leashes haven't worked for the Raiders, while a long leash hasn't done much for Pittsburgh for years now (Tomlin is a solid dude sure, but he's also accomplished nothing outside of Big Ben's prime years).

Eric Morris slip sliding away...

The national media is finally talking to the right people regarding #OKstate's job status nationally and the funding arsenal at their disposal. Chad Weiberg, despite Mike Gundy's actions killing a ton of support, has positioned the program to compete for championships. https://t.co/A1qvrDGP4d

— Carson Cunningham (@Carson_OKC) November 25, 2025

way to kill my tuesday boognish

Bearsalwayswin said:

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way to kill my tuesday boognish

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Yep...if we could get him in a combo deal with AD Mosley I'd be beyond ecstatic and instantly excited about BU football again.

boognish_bear said:

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Eric Morris slip sliding away...

The national media is finally talking to the right people regarding #OKstate's job status nationally and the funding arsenal at their disposal. Chad Weiberg, despite Mike Gundy's actions killing a ton of support, has positioned the program to compete for championships. https://t.co/A1qvrDGP4d

— Carson Cunningham (@Carson_OKC) November 25, 2025

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You only get one shot at these guys. And we gave up our shot at Joey McGuire, Willie Fritz and Eric Morris for Dave Aranda.

If you need another reason to be depressed about the state of Baylor football or to be pissed at Mack Rhoades, just let that sink in.

Of course I would rather it be us to land Eric Morris... but the Ok St fan base has been through the shtter the last two years. They are due for some optimism.