I think there is a non-zero chance that the answer is really bad.

I've already had a couple of buddies that I've had season tickets with for over 20 years say they are not doing it again next year.

Certainly does not feel like it has been a good use of my time. I'm not sure what I will do, and I've been giving at a pretty high level. For me, it's not so much about the money. It's more about the investment of my time. At a point, it feels like a silly way to spend that much of my time if Baylor doesn't care that much about it and is not committed to it. I could do all sorts of other things with those weekend hours.

I think we may find out next year what the absolute core of the fan base looks like. Unless they pull a rabbit out of a hat, and I'm not sure how they do it, we may get to see the absolute modern nadir of Baylor football support.

There might have been 20,000 people there Saturday. It can go lower.

Edited to add: does anyone have a sense of what interest or support looks like at the real BMD level? I mean, like the founder suite guys and their ilk? The anecdotal info I have on that is not good, but I'm not really in the know there. Is there a next gen of those guys?

I typically dedicate 3 hours on Saturdays watching BU (helps that my wife works weekends).
I also try to get to at least 1 game a year. This is the first year I've missed a game in person in a good decade. I simply won't be giving my time to BU until Dave is gone. Fanbases rely on hope. There's quite literally no reason for hope with Dave. It'll be the 1st time since I started rooting for BU as a kid that I won't watch or attend any games. And yes I'm aware that neither Linda nor the BOR will give a **** about whether a random fan chooses to attention or watch a Bu game.

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I typically dedicate 3 hours on Saturdays watching BU (helps that my wife works weekends).
I also try to get to at least 1 game a year. This is the first year I've missed a game in person in a good decade. I simply won't be giving my time to BU until Dave is gone. Fanbases rely on hope. There's quite literally no reason for hope with Dave. It'll be the 1st time since I started rooting for BU as a kid that I won't watch or attend any games. And yes I'm aware that neither Linda nor the BOR will give a **** about whether a random fan chooses to attention or watch a Bu game.

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Hey buddy, I lived through Bill Beall and Kevin Steele. It can get worse.

Of course it can. Still doesn't change the reality of the situation. There's zero hope for BU football under Dave's clown show.

I missed the part where you only support your team when they're doing good. Baylor football has been thru much worse multiple times yet people are bailing like rats off the Titanic. Dear Lord today's world is so f'ed up.


Sic'em Bears!..........forever & always.

3-9 is good? 5-7 is good? What about 1-11? Is that good? I've supported Bu over 20 years. Lots of **** seasons in there. Nice try golf guy

I'm holding out some hope that NIL may help with retention. The top dawgs are more likely to get picked off, and I assume there are more to come.

Some probably still believe, or at least are unsure enough that they are willing to give it another season. Some guys were probably one step from starting or being major contributors and may not want to risk starting over with different coaches.

At this point I'm just hoping it won't be as bad as we fear.

OSU this year is what Baylor will be next year. It's a complete throwaway year and I'll be lucky to even watch the highlights after a few wins.

I see Steele/Beall years keep getting brought up, but that was a different conference then. Nebraska, OU, UT, Missouri, A&M are all gone. Conference today is not as strong, so these struggles are a lot more concerning to me considering this was supposed to be Aranda's best team.

Go Bears!

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IowaBear said:

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I typically dedicate 3 hours on Saturdays watching BU (helps that my wife works weekends).
I also try to get to at least 1 game a year. This is the first year I've missed a game in person in a good decade. I simply won't be giving my time to BU until Dave is gone. Fanbases rely on hope. There's quite literally no reason for hope with Dave. It'll be the 1st time since I started rooting for BU as a kid that I won't watch or attend any games. And yes I'm aware that neither Linda nor the BOR will give a **** about whether a random fan chooses to attention or watch a Bu game.

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Hey buddy, I lived through Bill Beall and Kevin Steele. It can get worse.

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Hey soldier, you only lost one foot to that land mine…..it could have been two feet. Rejoice.

how about…….we need to stop sucking and the degree of the suckage is irrelevant……any amount is too much.

Delmar 2.0 said:

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I missed the part where you only support your team when they're doing good. Baylor football has been thru much worse multiple times yet people are bailing like rats off the Titanic. Dear Lord today's world is so f'ed up.


Sic'em Bears!..........forever & always.

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Or how about…….enablers are as much to blame as wrongdoers.

IowaBear said:

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3-9 is good? 5-7 is good? What about 1-11? Is that good? I've supported Bu over 20 years. Lots of **** seasons in there. Nice try golf guy

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Not sure what you're talking about. All I'm saying is you're either a fan or you're not. The down years suck but any true Baylor fan knows that's part of what you're signing up for; you don't bail on the Bears when the going gets tough.....unless if you're some dude from Iowa with an ISU degree i guess. You probably should start supporting the Cyclones full time since they're at the peak of their existence right now & you're a little to fragile to be a Baylor fan.

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3-9 is good? 5-7 is good? What about 1-11? Is that good? I've supported Bu over 20 years. Lots of **** seasons in there. Nice try golf guy

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This. We supported the program through health and a lot of sickness.

But assisted suicide?

No thanks. I'll find better things to do with my time and money.

Jamarion Vincent decommits from the bears. Going to Michigan. Baylor loses top corner commit in Aranda era. What is this administration doing

Here's what going to happen (only at Baylor can this happen).

By some miracle, Baylor wins seven games next year (transfer portal).

Baylor keeps Aranda for another year.

Hopefully we lose our first five, fire Aranda and do like OSU did…hone in on a new coach early.

Aranda losing top defensive recruits is all I need to see. I though he was a defensive guru?

Jordan clay crystal balled to go to Washington. A WR loss. We just need to recruit "Bigger People" nice job Aranda

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Here's what going to happen (only at Baylor can this happen).

By some miracle, Baylor wins seven games next year (transfer portal).

Baylor keeps Aranda for another year.

Hopefully we lose our first five, fire Aranda and do like OSU did…hone in on a new coach early.

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If BU cannot afford to fire CDA on Dec. 1 2025 then I can only assume he will be here until Dec. 1 2026 when the buyout drops again unless one or more of the BMDs step up.

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By some miracle, Baylor wins seven games next year (transfer portal).

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All the reasons someone would want to transfer in and be on this roster in 2026 are bad ones.

Delmar 2.0 said:

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3-9 is good? 5-7 is good? What about 1-11? Is that good? I've supported Bu over 20 years. Lots of **** seasons in there. Nice try golf guy

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Not sure what you're talking about. All I'm saying is you're either a fan or you're not. The down years suck but any true Baylor fan knows that's part of what you're signing up for; you don't bail on the Bears when the going gets tough.....unless if you're some dude from Iowa with an ISU degree i guess. You probably should start supporting the Cyclones full time since they're at the peak of their existence right now & you're a little to fragile to be a Baylor fan.

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I'm so much of a fan I will do anything I can to force a change because I love Baylor.

Enabling losing is the opposite of bing a fan. It's what Linda is counting on as we spiral the drain of football relevance.

I will of course travel to make the majority of men's home basketball games.

I'm not enabling losing

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I missed the part where you only support your team when they're doing good. Baylor football has been thru much worse multiple times yet people are bailing like rats off the Titanic. Dear Lord today's world is so f'ed up.


Sic'em Bears!..........forever & always.

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You can tell the people who have never competed in a sport in their life. That's the life lesson sports teaches you.. sometimes you get kicked down but you still get up and compete.

No one is more pissed than me in our situation.. I've seen people on here say they hope we lose every game next year.

As I watched Caden Knighten on a backboard lying motionless on the field I thought about those people. You're not turning your back on Mack Linda or Dave but those kids who bust their ass from June to December for our entertainment.

It's pure selfishness to be WISHING for us to return to the Steele era.

Whoever puts the jersey on next year deserves our support. No matter who's coaching.

The eventual catastrophic economic consequences of the last 8 years of the DEI hire at President, and the failure of the BOR to protect our most visible brand element prior to that (Art Briles momentum and trajectory as our head coach) have only just begun. There is an ever increasing likelihood of a worst case scenario for Baylor sports fans, where Baylor just can't come back from the scrap heap of irrelevance, but there won't be a sitting governor in office this time to save us when the next round of realignment begins.

ESPN and Fox want 64 to 80 "premier" teams to fight over 16 to 24 playoff spots. And while it is unlikely that we could "win our way" into that group, we could build enough of a brand of exciting football between now and then that the ratings would support our inclusion in that group.

Failing to start the process of rebuilding our brand and reinvigorating our fanbase NOW will have utterly devastating economic impact down the road.

Enrollment will suffer, TV revenues will suffer, merch will suffer. It's going to get REALLY bad. Like worse than it's ever been bad. We will be lucky to be playing against eastern New Mexico, Abilene Christian and incarnate word let alone being in a power conference. But this is what a "not an institution of football" looks like I guess.

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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I missed the part where you only support your team when they're doing good. Baylor football has been thru much worse multiple times yet people are bailing like rats off the Titanic. Dear Lord today's world is so f'ed up.


Sic'em Bears!..........forever & always.

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You can tell the people who have never competed in a sport in their life. That's the life lesson sports teaches you.. sometimes you get kicked down but you still get up and compete.

No one is more pissed than me in our situation.. I've seen people on here say they hope we lose every game next year.

As I watched Caden Knighten on a backboard lying motionless on the field I thought about those people. You're not turning your back on Mack Linda or Dave but those kids who bust their ass from June to December for our entertainment.

It's pure selfishness to be WISHING for us to return to the Steele era.

Whoever puts the jersey on next year deserves our support. No matter who's coaching.

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You also likely hate activist investors who demand accountability from OOC boards and management.

Tough Love is Real Love.
Blind Love is Veiled Hatred.

If I'm calculating right, Baylor's recruiting class has fallen from No. 27 to 52 in just about 72 hours. And if Jordan Clay flips as well, it will fall into the 60s. https://t.co/81J5rRv9oA

— Shehan Jeyarajah (@ShehanJeyarajah) November 30, 2025

Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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I missed the part where you only support your team when they're doing good. Baylor football has been thru much worse multiple times yet people are bailing like rats off the Titanic. Dear Lord today's world is so f'ed up.


Sic'em Bears!..........forever & always.

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You can tell the people who have never competed in a sport in their life. That's the life lesson sports teaches you.. sometimes you get kicked down but you still get up and compete.

No one is more pissed than me in our situation.. I've seen people on here say they hope we lose every game next year.

As I watched Caden Knighten on a backboard lying motionless on the field I thought about those people. You're not turning your back on Mack Linda or Dave but those kids who bust their ass from June to December for our entertainment.

It's pure selfishness to be WISHING for us to return to the Steele era.

Whoever puts the jersey on next year deserves our support. No matter who's coaching.

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You also likely hate activist investors who demand accountability from OOC boards and management.

Tough Love is Real Love.
Blind Love is Veiled Hatred.

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ENTERTAINMENT.

Big big difference.

And your reply really had no relation to my post

I was talking about rooting for us to lose.

Do people root for their stocks to tumble in value?

Delmar 2.0 said:

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I missed the part where you only support your team when they're doing good. Baylor football has been thru much worse multiple times yet people are bailing like rats off the Titanic. Dear Lord today's world is so f'ed up.


Sic'em Bears!..........forever & always.

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If we had a new coaching staff and the losses were piling up I would get this sentiment of we've gotta keep supporting our team even when things are down. I can suffer through losing when I think it's just part of a process of growing with a new staff.

But this is a different animal. This is stubbornly sticking with someone who has repeatedly shown they can't get the job done. I am typically optimistic by default… but I can find no optimism in this situation.

Dave took over the defense and even brought in Garry Patterson to try and help him evolve. The result…our defense was even worse than the previous year.

Like...what bit of hope do we have to cling to here that next year will be better?

I am willing to give a tiny bit of benefit of doubt to Baylor administration that maybe they were actually prepared to part ways…but the horrible timing of Mack's midlife crisis shot the whole thing to hell and now they are totally stuck trying to salvage a flaming mess.

Stefano DiMera said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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I missed the part where you only support your team when they're doing good. Baylor football has been thru much worse multiple times yet people are bailing like rats off the Titanic. Dear Lord today's world is so f'ed up.


Sic'em Bears!..........forever & always.

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You can tell the people who have never competed in a sport in their life. That's the life lesson sports teaches you.. sometimes you get kicked down but you still get up and compete.

No one is more pissed than me in our situation.. I've seen people on here say they hope we lose every game next year.

As I watched Caden Knighten on a backboard lying motionless on the field I thought about those people. You're not turning your back on Mack Linda or Dave but those kids who bust their ass from June to December for our entertainment.

It's pure selfishness to be WISHING for us to return to the Steele era.

Whoever puts the jersey on next year deserves our support. No matter who's coaching.

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You also likely hate activist investors who demand accountability from OOC boards and management.

Tough Love is Real Love.
Blind Love is Veiled Hatred.

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ENTERTAINMENT.

Big big difference.

And your reply really had no relation to my post

I was talking about rooting for us to lose.

Do people root for their stocks to tumble in value?

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If a tumble in stock price leads to leadership change resulting in a massive climb in stock price, sign me up every time.

example: Apple losing $ leading to NeXT acquisition & bringing back Steve Jobs

Baylor example: Dave Bliss fiasco lead to Scott Drew.

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I see Steele/Beall years keep getting brought up, but that was a different conference then. Nebraska, OU, UT, Missouri, A&M are all gone. Conference today is not as strong, so these struggles are a lot more concerning to me considering this was supposed to be Aranda's best team.

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Yep. Go pull up our schedule from 2000, and ask yourself what our record would be against that schedule.

GoldenBear007 said:

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I see Steele/Beall years keep getting brought up, but that was a different conference then. Nebraska, OU, UT, Missouri, A&M are all gone. Conference today is not as strong, so these struggles are a lot more concerning to me considering this was supposed to be Aranda's best team.

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underrated post. +1

GoldenBear007 said:

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I see Steele/Beall years keep getting brought up, but that was a different conference then. Nebraska, OU, UT, Missouri, A&M are all gone. Conference today is not as strong, so these struggles are a lot more concerning to me considering this was supposed to be Aranda's best team.

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that is a fair point, but at least recruiting is competitive. steele recruiting classes were beyond abysmal. we're talking only a few THREE star players. mostly 2-star players. his classes would've been ranked below a good percentage of non-bcs schools. then on the field, they were not competitive against anyone. didn't get competitive until guy morriss came in even though the recruiting under morriss continued underwhelm.

GoldenBear007 said:

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I see Steele/Beall years keep getting brought up, but that was a different conference then. Nebraska, OU, UT, Missouri, A&M are all gone. Conference today is not as strong, so these struggles are a lot more concerning to me considering this was supposed to be Aranda's best team.

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It was also at a time when there was no free agency or legally bidding for and paying players. Our facilities were also the pits and we did not have the history to show that we could dig our way out of a ditch. Teaff and more so Briles proved that. We have seen in many places with the right coach....in our case, getting the right AD FIRST, you can get money interests coming in and buying the basis of a good team in short order. Back then, you had to stack several good recruiting classes in a row before you really had a chance for impact improvement. You could get transfers, but not like today because back then they had to sit out a year.

If you have a comparable coaching staff to most of our conference peers it then becomes a money game. Frankly I see a lot of assumptions and strawmen on this board, but I don't think any of us know the facts behind the money situation, other than we know that we likely don't have a Campbell waiting in the wings.

I think most thought it was going to be the best team until the portal guys on the defensive side and our returners started dropping like flies to injury, some of them not even ever seeing the field this year.

This will not be resolved until an AD is in place. Nothing was said about how long or if Aranda would be kept past this immediate time frame. That is going to be the decision of the new AD. It will be his / her decision on what happens with the HC situation.

Stefano DiMera said:

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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I missed the part where you only support your team when they're doing good. Baylor football has been thru much worse multiple times yet people are bailing like rats off the Titanic. Dear Lord today's world is so f'ed up.


Sic'em Bears!..........forever & always.

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You can tell the people who have never competed in a sport in their life. That's the life lesson sports teaches you.. sometimes you get kicked down but you still get up and compete.

No one is more pissed than me in our situation.. I've seen people on here say they hope we lose every game next year.

As I watched Caden Knighten on a backboard lying motionless on the field I thought about those people. You're not turning your back on Mack Linda or Dave but those kids who bust their ass from June to December for our entertainment.

It's pure selfishness to be WISHING for us to return to the Steele era.

Whoever puts the jersey on next year deserves our support. No matter who's coaching.

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Do kindly get over yourself. There's bad times, and then there's self-inflicted wounds and gross incompetence. I'm not wasting my precious free time on a program that clearly doesn't care, or even know they're doing.

I stopped watching Baylor football after the TCU loss. If there was any game that defined Aranda's ineptitude, it was that loss.

I watched every game of Matt Rhule's 1-11 season. I knew that Baylor team was a team that was progressively building towards a better future. What's going on next season? This ain't that. We have recruits fleeing with the season over for less than 24 hours.

So spare us the true fans BS.

Jordan clay to Washington now! Don't blame them one bit