WestUBears88 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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JP1037 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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hodedofome said:

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OSU this year is what Baylor will be next year. It's a complete throwaway year and I'll be lucky to even watch the highlights after a few wins.

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What Baylor will be for the next 3-5 years at least. OSU was decisive and knew that they had to make the changes that they did. We have a university president who honestly believed that retaining Aranda for another year would somehow ensure roster stability. There's just no cure for that kind of incompetence, except for removing Linda Livingstone.

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Right. Her comments only confirm her suspected incompetence. Nice lady from what I can tell but she's not equipped for the role.

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You may be right, but does everyone really believe if the BMD's [ whomever they really are any more ] told her they wanted both the AD and Aranda gone , and would foot the bill to make it happen, that she would tell them NO ???

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I'm concerned that we've disenfranchised so many BMDs that we don't have access to the needed funds.

But I don't know that for certain.

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Correct. Not all, but many.
Rhoades was a one person Wrecking Crew in alienating people.
His "I know better" routine was well oiled and used continually.

The new AD has many bridges to rebuild……not repair, rebuild.
Linda is cut along similar lines as Rhoades. So it won't be easy.

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Just reviewed our board of regents. I'm afraid this is a long road that never turns.

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This is board of regents level incompetence. Which is why I think they were behind the letter. Every secular school faced what we faced in 2016 and they didn't fire everyone and attempt suicide. Now we have to keep Aranda bc we have no AD. BS. Name one of the assistants as interim.

Btw, where are all the Aranda fans?

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Reading that letter tells me all I need to know. Reviewing Linda's CV and the Regent roster is sufficient confirmation. We are screwed.

WestUBears88 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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JP1037 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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hodedofome said:

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OSU this year is what Baylor will be next year. It's a complete throwaway year and I'll be lucky to even watch the highlights after a few wins.

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What Baylor will be for the next 3-5 years at least. OSU was decisive and knew that they had to make the changes that they did. We have a university president who honestly believed that retaining Aranda for another year would somehow ensure roster stability. There's just no cure for that kind of incompetence, except for removing Linda Livingstone.

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Right. Her comments only confirm her suspected incompetence. Nice lady from what I can tell but she's not equipped for the role.

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You may be right, but does everyone really believe if the BMD's [ whomever they really are any more ] told her they wanted both the AD and Aranda gone , and would foot the bill to make it happen, that she would tell them NO ???

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I'm concerned that we've disenfranchised so many BMDs that we don't have access to the needed funds.

But I don't know that for certain.

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Correct. Not all, but many.
Rhoades was a one person Wrecking Crew in alienating people.
His "I know better" routine was well oiled and used continually.

The new AD has many bridges to rebuild……not repair, rebuild.
Linda is cut along similar lines as Rhoades. So it won't be easy.

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Just reviewed our board of regents. I'm afraid this is a long road that never turns.

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This is board of regents level incompetence. Which is why I think they were behind the letter. Every secular school faced what we faced in 2016 and they didn't fire everyone and attempt suicide. Now we have to keep Aranda bc we have no AD. BS. Name one of the assistants as interim.

Btw, where are all the Aranda fans?

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The problem was we were the first to really face it. The other schools that came later (UT, OU, FSU) saw what we did and learned from it. Had we not been first, even our BOR might have figured out how to navigate it much better than we did.

blackie said:

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WestUBears88 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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JP1037 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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hodedofome said:

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OSU this year is what Baylor will be next year. It's a complete throwaway year and I'll be lucky to even watch the highlights after a few wins.

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What Baylor will be for the next 3-5 years at least. OSU was decisive and knew that they had to make the changes that they did. We have a university president who honestly believed that retaining Aranda for another year would somehow ensure roster stability. There's just no cure for that kind of incompetence, except for removing Linda Livingstone.

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Right. Her comments only confirm her suspected incompetence. Nice lady from what I can tell but she's not equipped for the role.

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You may be right, but does everyone really believe if the BMD's [ whomever they really are any more ] told her they wanted both the AD and Aranda gone , and would foot the bill to make it happen, that she would tell them NO ???

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I'm concerned that we've disenfranchised so many BMDs that we don't have access to the needed funds.

But I don't know that for certain.

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Correct. Not all, but many.
Rhoades was a one person Wrecking Crew in alienating people.
His "I know better" routine was well oiled and used continually.

The new AD has many bridges to rebuild……not repair, rebuild.
Linda is cut along similar lines as Rhoades. So it won't be easy.

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Just reviewed our board of regents. I'm afraid this is a long road that never turns.

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This is board of regents level incompetence. Which is why I think they were behind the letter. Every secular school faced what we faced in 2016 and they didn't fire everyone and attempt suicide. Now we have to keep Aranda bc we have no AD. BS. Name one of the assistants as interim.

Btw, where are all the Aranda fans?

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The problem was we were the first to really face it. The other schools that came later (UT, OU, FSU) saw what we did and learned from it. Had we not been first, even our BOR might have figured out how to navigate it much better than we did.

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That's true, but there were still plenty of us who saw it with clarity at the time.

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Dia del DougO said:

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There is not a legit upside to this by any means.

But you take what you have available. Baylor has spots to fill. There are still going to be guys looking for spots, while most are filled up.

Not a good situation by any means. There's no way to make this debacl a net positive, or anything close But we aren't likely to have a 100 ranked recruiting class like some people are thinking.

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We're over halfway there, stay tuned.

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Never give up!

GodleyBear said:

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Our Sunday School approach to everything really puts us in a bind for whatever reason.
I know I will be reminded we are a Private Christian school, but to me that creates a weakness that we take full advantage of.
Not sure how to adjust that, but sure wishbwe could serve up a different version of that while still holding to our values.

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BYU and ND (Touchdown Jesus) seemed to have figured out you can do both

I thought the same with ND and BYU.
Catholic, Mormon, Baptist.
We have caffeine on our side too

What is with the historic levels of self sabotage in this institution? Literally one of the best athletic seasons of all time in college athletics to this in 4 years.

That's the most frustrating part of following this nonsense. Since the conference started, the big 3 sports at Bu have achieved more top end success in the aggregate than any other team currently in this conference.. and it isn't even close.

Never seen an organization fumble momentum so spectacularly. Are they afraid of success? At this point get Drew his second national title then call it a day and hang it up on major athletics.

GodleyBear said:

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I thought the same with ND and BYU.
Catholic, Mormon, Baptist.
We have caffeine on our side too

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Yeah, but there's nothing to compare with the Southern Baptist Sunday School mindsets' undermining life.

drahthaar said:

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GodleyBear said:

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I thought the same with ND and BYU.
Catholic, Mormon, Baptist.
We have caffeine on our side too

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Yeah, but there's nothing to compare with the Southern Baptist Sunday School mindsets' undermining life.

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Bless all our hearts

GodleyBear said:

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I thought the same with ND and BYU.
Catholic, Mormon, Baptist.
We have caffeine on our side too

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The organization of the Mormans and Catholic's is much deeper than Baptist There doesn't appear to me that Baylor appeals to Baptists pocketbooks.

We've been here before Reedy, Robert's, Steele, Morriss lasted 14 years.

Aranda = Reedy

My goodness. Playing the same schools from the 2000 schedule this year would have been insanely brutal.

UNT
Minnesota
USF
ISU
Tech
A&M
Nebraska
UT
OU
Mizzou
Oklahoma St

Good news - we held a commitment from a guy who took a last minute visit to Texas State and offers from Sam Houston State and MIAMI (of ohio).

This is exactly what Linda and Coach promised us. They delivered ! I take back everything I said about them.

WestUBears88 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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JP1037 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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hodedofome said:

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OSU this year is what Baylor will be next year. It's a complete throwaway year and I'll be lucky to even watch the highlights after a few wins.

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What Baylor will be for the next 3-5 years at least. OSU was decisive and knew that they had to make the changes that they did. We have a university president who honestly believed that retaining Aranda for another year would somehow ensure roster stability. There's just no cure for that kind of incompetence, except for removing Linda Livingstone.

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Right. Her comments only confirm her suspected incompetence. Nice lady from what I can tell but she's not equipped for the role.

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You may be right, but does everyone really believe if the BMD's [ whomever they really are any more ] told her they wanted both the AD and Aranda gone , and would foot the bill to make it happen, that she would tell them NO ???

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I'm concerned that we've disenfranchised so many BMDs that we don't have access to the needed funds.

But I don't know that for certain.

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Correct. Not all, but many.
Rhoades was a one person Wrecking Crew in alienating people.
His "I know better" routine was well oiled and used continually.

The new AD has many bridges to rebuild……not repair, rebuild.
Linda is cut along similar lines as Rhoades. So it won't be easy.

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Just reviewed our board of regents. I'm afraid this is a long road that never turns.

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This is board of regents level incompetence. Which is why I think they were behind the letter. Every secular school faced what we faced in 2016 and they didn't fire everyone and attempt suicide. Now we have to keep Aranda bc we have no AD. BS. Name one of the assistants as interim.

Btw, where are all the Aranda fans?

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They're on the pay boards.

BUGWBBear said:

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WestUBears88 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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JP1037 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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hodedofome said:

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OSU this year is what Baylor will be next year. It's a complete throwaway year and I'll be lucky to even watch the highlights after a few wins.

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What Baylor will be for the next 3-5 years at least. OSU was decisive and knew that they had to make the changes that they did. We have a university president who honestly believed that retaining Aranda for another year would somehow ensure roster stability. There's just no cure for that kind of incompetence, except for removing Linda Livingstone.

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Right. Her comments only confirm her suspected incompetence. Nice lady from what I can tell but she's not equipped for the role.

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You may be right, but does everyone really believe if the BMD's [ whomever they really are any more ] told her they wanted both the AD and Aranda gone , and would foot the bill to make it happen, that she would tell them NO ???

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I'm concerned that we've disenfranchised so many BMDs that we don't have access to the needed funds.

But I don't know that for certain.

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Correct. Not all, but many.
Rhoades was a one person Wrecking Crew in alienating people.
His "I know better" routine was well oiled and used continually.

The new AD has many bridges to rebuild……not repair, rebuild.
Linda is cut along similar lines as Rhoades. So it won't be easy.

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Just reviewed our board of regents. I'm afraid this is a long road that never turns.

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This is board of regents level incompetence. Which is why I think they were behind the letter. Every secular school faced what we faced in 2016 and they didn't fire everyone and attempt suicide. Now we have to keep Aranda bc we have no AD. BS. Name one of the assistants as interim.

Btw, where are all the Aranda fans?

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They're on the pay boards.

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What few are left are being really quiet. They got red-pilled over the last several weeks.

I don't even know what a good case scenario would be now. I've never been one to doom, but we seem completely screwed. The only motivation going into next season was our recruits and now that's draining too.

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I don't even know what a good case scenario would be now. I've never been one to doom, but we seem completely screwed. The only motivation going into next season was our recruits and now that's draining too.

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Hope dies last. Hope just started to flip to other schools.

Bobsyouruncle said:

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My goodness. Playing the same schools from the 2000 schedule this year would have been insanely brutal.

UNT
Minnesota
USF
ISU
Tech
A&M
Nebraska
UT
OU
Mizzou
Oklahoma St

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We might be playing Oklahoma State for our first win.

CorsicanaBear said:

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We've been here before Reedy, Robert's, Steele, Morriss lasted 14 years.

Aranda=Reedy

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Nope. Reedy played a much tougher schedule.

boognish_bear said:

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GodleyBear said:

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Our Sunday School approach to everything really puts us in a bind for whatever reason.
I know I will be reminded we are a Private Christian school, but to me that creates a weakness that we take full advantage of.
Not sure how to adjust that, but sure wishbwe could serve up a different version of that while still holding to our values.

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BYU and ND (Touchdown Jesus) seemed to have figured out you can do both

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BYU and Notre's culture are much more cohesive and unified. Probably bc of the centralized structure of their churches.

Quinton said:

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boognish_bear said:

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GodleyBear said:

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Our Sunday School approach to everything really puts us in a bind for whatever reason.
I know I will be reminded we are a Private Christian school, but to me that creates a weakness that we take full advantage of.
Not sure how to adjust that, but sure wishbwe could serve up a different version of that while still holding to our values.

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BYU and ND (Touchdown Jesus) seemed to have figured out you can do both

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BYU and Notre's culture are much more cohesive and unified. Probably bc of the centralized structure of their churches.

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I don't know if this still holds true, but I remember at welcome week 30+ years ago someone telling us that Baylor only had something like 30% of its students who claimed to be Baptist. Maybe that's different now but at the time it seemed like a really big revelation.

I just saw where Baylor ranked 118 out of 136 in Defensive Stop % during the regular season. Another gem of a season by Dave.

Texas Tech ranked #1 in the same category.

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I don't know if this still holds true, but I remember at welcome week 30+ years ago someone telling us that Baylor only had something like 30% of its students who claimed to be Baptist. Maybe that's different now but at the time it seemed like a really big revelation.

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I don't know that this has any relevance to football. The Pope isn't out there telling people to donate to Notre Dame's NIL efforts and the Vatican isn't funding them.

Now the Mormon church is run like a corporation and has a lot of for-profit investments. Everything from Marriott hotels on down the line, and so what behind the scenes arrangements they have to fund BYU's NIL efforts outside of what individual Mormons do is a question mark.

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I just saw where Baylor ranked 118 out of 136 in Defensive Stop % during the regular season. Another gem of a season by Dave.

Texas Tech ranked #1 in the same category.

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Kudos to this helpful stat. This thread has otherwise turned into a distracting religion class.

Robert Wilson said:

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blackie said:

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WestUBears88 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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JP1037 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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hodedofome said:

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OSU this year is what Baylor will be next year. It's a complete throwaway year and I'll be lucky to even watch the highlights after a few wins.

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What Baylor will be for the next 3-5 years at least. OSU was decisive and knew that they had to make the changes that they did. We have a university president who honestly believed that retaining Aranda for another year would somehow ensure roster stability. There's just no cure for that kind of incompetence, except for removing Linda Livingstone.

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Right. Her comments only confirm her suspected incompetence. Nice lady from what I can tell but she's not equipped for the role.

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You may be right, but does everyone really believe if the BMD's [ whomever they really are any more ] told her they wanted both the AD and Aranda gone , and would foot the bill to make it happen, that she would tell them NO ???

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I'm concerned that we've disenfranchised so many BMDs that we don't have access to the needed funds.

But I don't know that for certain.

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Correct. Not all, but many.
Rhoades was a one person Wrecking Crew in alienating people.
His "I know better" routine was well oiled and used continually.

The new AD has many bridges to rebuild……not repair, rebuild.
Linda is cut along similar lines as Rhoades. So it won't be easy.

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Just reviewed our board of regents. I'm afraid this is a long road that never turns.

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This is board of regents level incompetence. Which is why I think they were behind the letter. Every secular school faced what we faced in 2016 and they didn't fire everyone and attempt suicide. Now we have to keep Aranda bc we have no AD. BS. Name one of the assistants as interim.

Btw, where are all the Aranda fans?

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The problem was we were the first to really face it. The other schools that came later (UT, OU, FSU) saw what we did and learned from it. Had we not been first, even our BOR might have figured out how to navigate it much better than we did.

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That's true, but there were still plenty of us who saw it with clarity at the time.

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What we saw wasn't the view of importance. We were getting killed in the public and there was no game plan that could be followed by how our peers had navigated this....because they hadn't yet had it thrown in their face. They benefited from how they saw what happened in our case. Briles was paying the same attention to the situations as people like Stoops, but neither was keeping watch over their programs as is now required and should have been happening all along. Neither Briles nor the BOR were innocent in this fiasco. I am sure hundreds of coaches started looking deeper into their rosters to avoid this type of thing to occur and if it did take IMMEDIATE and decisive action, regardless of how screwed up their administration. They all learned from us as to how not to do things to avoid the deep consequences that came to us.

blackie said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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blackie said:

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WestUBears88 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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JP1037 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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hodedofome said:

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OSU this year is what Baylor will be next year. It's a complete throwaway year and I'll be lucky to even watch the highlights after a few wins.

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What Baylor will be for the next 3-5 years at least. OSU was decisive and knew that they had to make the changes that they did. We have a university president who honestly believed that retaining Aranda for another year would somehow ensure roster stability. There's just no cure for that kind of incompetence, except for removing Linda Livingstone.

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Right. Her comments only confirm her suspected incompetence. Nice lady from what I can tell but she's not equipped for the role.

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You may be right, but does everyone really believe if the BMD's [ whomever they really are any more ] told her they wanted both the AD and Aranda gone , and would foot the bill to make it happen, that she would tell them NO ???

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I'm concerned that we've disenfranchised so many BMDs that we don't have access to the needed funds.

But I don't know that for certain.

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Correct. Not all, but many.
Rhoades was a one person Wrecking Crew in alienating people.
His "I know better" routine was well oiled and used continually.

The new AD has many bridges to rebuild……not repair, rebuild.
Linda is cut along similar lines as Rhoades. So it won't be easy.

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Just reviewed our board of regents. I'm afraid this is a long road that never turns.

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This is board of regents level incompetence. Which is why I think they were behind the letter. Every secular school faced what we faced in 2016 and they didn't fire everyone and attempt suicide. Now we have to keep Aranda bc we have no AD. BS. Name one of the assistants as interim.

Btw, where are all the Aranda fans?

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The problem was we were the first to really face it. The other schools that came later (UT, OU, FSU) saw what we did and learned from it. Had we not been first, even our BOR might have figured out how to navigate it much better than we did.

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That's true, but there were still plenty of us who saw it with clarity at the time.

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What we saw wasn't the view of importance. We were getting killed in the public and there was no game plan that could be followed by how our peers had navigated this....because they hadn't yet had it thrown in their face. They benefited from how they saw what happened in our case. Briles was paying the same attention to the situations as people like Stoops, but neither was keeping watch over their programs as is now required and should have been happening all along. Neither Briles nor the BOR were innocent in this fiasco. I am sure hundreds of coaches started looking deeper into their rosters to avoid this type of thing to occur and if it did take IMMEDIATE and decisive action, regardless of how screwed up their administration. They all learned from us as to how not to do things to avoid the deep consequences that came to us.

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Eh, it really was not quantum physics. Crisis management and PR aren't new. Hire a Texas defense law firm (not two hairy legged women investigators from Philadelphia charged with indicting your own people), hunker down, play defense, and wait for the storm to pass. You're not a public institution so no FOIA or PIA concerns. Would've probably handled it okay if we weren't already embroiled in internal conflict and poised to use the crisis against each other.

Delmar 2.0 said:

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I missed the part where you only support your team when they're doing good. Baylor football has been thru much worse multiple times yet people are bailing like rats off the Titanic. Dear Lord today's world is so f'ed up.


Sic'em Bears!..........forever & always.

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It was the schools themselves that made college athletics completely transactional. Fans are just adapting to the landscape they created.

The days of unconditional support are long over. College football is an entertainment product ... and one that has gotten less entertaining with virtually every move those in charge of the sport have made.

No one in this sport or at any of these schools cares about the rank-and-file fan. At this point, they're just taking advantage of fans like you, who feel a duty to support products unworthy of support. They're taking your loyalty for granted.

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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I missed the part where you only support your team when they're doing good. Baylor football has been thru much worse multiple times yet people are bailing like rats off the Titanic. Dear Lord today's world is so f'ed up.


Sic'em Bears!..........forever & always.

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You can tell the people who have never competed in a sport in their life. That's the life lesson sports teaches you.. sometimes you get kicked down but you still get up and compete.

No one is more pissed than me in our situation.. I've seen people on here say they hope we lose every game next year.

As I watched Caden Knighten on a backboard lying motionless on the field I thought about those people. You're not turning your back on Mack Linda or Dave but those kids who bust their ass from June to December for our entertainment.

It's pure selfishness to be WISHING for us to return to the Steele era.

Whoever puts the jersey on next year deserves our support. No matter who's coaching.

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Anyone who has competed in a sport has watched Dave Aranda's teams and realized what we've been doing the last four years isn't competing.

We're fielding baby **** soft teams that act, speak and play as though winning is about fifth on their priority list. There's no obligation to support such teams.

Dave Aranda has had ample time to prove that his alternative approach to coaching and program building can yield acceptable results. He has proven the exact opposite. Continuing to pump money into this **** for seven years is enabling.

I've said for the past three years that the leadership doesn't care about football/winning and got some pushback...but its clearly true.

You're all looking at this through the wrong paradigm. They don't need to care because they're not held accountable to anyone. That's the real problem.

I agree with you, but did you actually think about that when he was lying there motionless?

Stefano DiMera said:

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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I missed the part where you only support your team when they're doing good. Baylor football has been thru much worse multiple times yet people are bailing like rats off the Titanic. Dear Lord today's world is so f'ed up.


Sic'em Bears!..........forever & always.

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You can tell the people who have never competed in a sport in their life. That's the life lesson sports teaches you.. sometimes you get kicked down but you still get up and compete.

No one is more pissed than me in our situation.. I've seen people on here say they hope we lose every game next year.

As I watched Caden Knighten on a backboard lying motionless on the field I thought about those people. You're not turning your back on Mack Linda or Dave but those kids who bust their ass from June to December for our entertainment.

It's pure selfishness to be WISHING for us to return to the Steele era.

Whoever puts the jersey on next year deserves our support. No matter who's coaching.

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I 100 percent agree!

As I responded to whoever it was on the previous pages of this thread.. I would never tell someone how to spend their money or their time.

My post was strictly about rooting for failure for the kids that put on the jersey of the school I love.

I'm 59 so I've seen the good and bad.. I never rooted for us to get murdered during the Steele years even though it was an obvious outcome.

If you are at a point of rooting for any Baylor team to lose (don't know if anyone here is doing that just responding to the last post) to satisfy some type of agenda you just need to move on, drop out or go find another school.

Those kids are out there doing everything they can to win. They deserve to have the fans support them. They are putting in the time that no one here puts in. Find another way to express disappointment or frustration, but to hope they lose to make the coach or admin look bad or to think they are forcing a change is crap.

Hope this is a strawman argument and no one like that exists. If you don't want to spend money fine, but it is crap to wish the team to lose.

NO you had A&M, TEXAS, Texas Tech, Arkansas, Rice, SMU, TCU during the Beal years.

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If you are at a point of rooting for any Baylor team to lose (don't know if anyone here is doing that just responding to the last post) to satisfy some type of agenda you just need to move on, drop out or go find another school.

Those kids are out there doing everything they can to win. They deserve to have the fans support them. They are putting in the time that no one here puts in. Find another way to express disappointment or frustration, but to hope they lose to make the coach or admin look bad or to think they are forcing a change is crap.

Hope this is a strawman argument and no one like that exists. If you don't want to spend money fine, but it is crap to wish the team to lose.

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I think the "they're just kids trying hard" protection was waived when they started cashing checks to play the games. We are doing them no favors in life if we let them think they can get paid without the expectation of performance in return.