Defensive coordinator hire

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PartyBear
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blackie said:

BearlyBeloved said:

Realitybites said:

BearlyBeloved said:

CDA's effort to be HC and DC flopped.

With CDA set to return next year, shouldn't we be focused on finding a premier candidate for defensive coordinator???

Who should be the candidates?



Mark Stoops.

Perfectly positioned to step in as the interim when Dave gets fired.

We already hired away a head coach from Kentucky. It did not work. Or don't people remember?

I don't get why the name of the latest FIRED coach gets brought up as a candidate every time this situation come up. It doesn't matter what he did when he first got there. His performance has trailed off or he woudn't have gotten fired.


I was thinking this as well. However I think most here mean as DC. It would be ridiculous to hire him for anything more than that.
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It would be difficult to get a big dawg established DC type to come into this situation. It would be someone available that is interested in a potentially one season deal and done.

A DC with some skins on the wall is probably looking for a longer term deal where he can build up a program. You would probably be looking for an older guy who wouldn't mind the challenge in a comfortable place he likes for one season. Or a younger guy from a lower level that would like the opportunity to move up and show what he can do, if only for one year.

A guy like Stoops is going to want another head coaching job, or a DC job on a bigger stage with more stability. He's probably getting well paid for several years to not even coach, so that seems very unlikely.

Tough spot to fill.
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DJ Durkin. Any new DC would be good money after bad though. If Dave cant field a good defense what's the point of him. Its not like he is a elite recruiter, developer or motivator.
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bear2be2 said:

BEAR 45 said:

bear2be2 said:

BEAR 45 said:

bear2be2 said:

Adriacus Peratuun said:

bear2be2 said:

Adriacus Peratuun said:

BearlyBeloved said:

CDA's effort to be HC and DC flopped.

With CDA set to return next year, shouldn't we be focused on finding a premier candidate for defensive coordinator???

Who should be the candidates?



How often do premier employees willingly board a sinking ship?

Spavital did it in 2024. But we had the money to go out and hire him. This time around, it seems like a straight punt until the new AD arrives, so I'm guessing we're not going to be money-whipping any new staff additions.

Note the use of the word "premier".

Think it is safe to assume that most premier OCs don't treat the Red Zone like their routine implosion place.

For all of his issues this season, Spavital is a very well-thought-of offensive coordinator who has been very successful in that role throughout his career.

We would be lucky to attract a similar talent to coordinate the defense next season, which is my point. The odds of that happening are slim to none, given that we're likely not dealing with the same resources this time around.

How do you account for our lack of production in the red zone ? We put up big numbers all season except when we got inside the 20. Maybe his play design or play calls had something to do with that ??

We couldn't run the football reliably or consistently. Teams that can't run the football move the ball well between the 20s and bog down when the field condenses and makes passing the ball more difficult.

That's been the quintessential problem/concern of basically every Air Raid offense ever.

Baylor does not run an air raid offense. Spav's typical call, run twice for no gain and then throw a fade to the corner of the end zone to our shortest receiver. He cannot isolate a 6'5" tight end, that is more of a wide receiver than tight end, on a linebacker in the red zone ?

Spav comes from the Air Raid tree. When his run game is working, he leans on the power run game. When it doesn't, he falls back on his Air Raid roots, which is why we averaged 11 more pass attempts per game this season than last.

Our red zone offense sucked because our run game sucked. You can't score consistently in the red zone when you can't run the ball reliably. And this year's team couldn't. That was apparent in the Auburn game and never changed for 12 games.

It's not a unidirectional relationship between the run game and the passing game in hybrid schemes like Spav's Dirt Raid.

It's impossible to evaluate the Offense's failures this year without including Sawyer's inconsistency as a key ingredient to the **** sandwich.

You can reply once again criticisms of Sawyer are unfair. He 'had to be perfect' and that that pressure got to be too much. There's some truth to that...but he really didn't need to be literally perfect for us to win more games, he just needed fewer costly mistakes like overthrowing WRs who'd gotten behind the defense and underthrowing it when they found gaps.

Spav's share of the blame for Sawyer's regression is unclear: Sawyer's mechanics got worse this year, especially his angle of delivery. Have you ever seen a QB with Sawyer's size and arm talent have as many balls batted down? Some will blame our OL, but Robertson himself deserves most of the blame for that issue.

A fully healthy Knighten and Pendergrass, plus very athletic QBs in White & Griffin...Spav could definitely have major resurgence next season if our OL gets solidified this offseason as promised.
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BearlyBeloved said:

Realitybites said:

BearlyBeloved said:

CDA's effort to be HC and DC flopped.

With CDA set to return next year, shouldn't we be focused on finding a premier candidate for defensive coordinator???

Who should be the candidates?



Mark Stoops.

Perfectly positioned to step in as the interim when Dave gets fired.

We already hired away a head coach from Kentucky. It did not work. Or don't people remember?


Baylor's two most successful, well the ONLY successful, coaches were West Texas products. Just constructive info.
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bear2be2 said:

Adriacus Peratuun said:

bear2be2 said:

Adriacus Peratuun said:

BearlyBeloved said:

CDA's effort to be HC and DC flopped.

With CDA set to return next year, shouldn't we be focused on finding a premier candidate for defensive coordinator???

Who should be the candidates?



How often do premier employees willingly board a sinking ship?

Spavital did it in 2024. But we had the money to go out and hire him. This time around, it seems like a straight punt until the new AD arrives, so I'm guessing we're not going to be money-whipping any new staff additions.

Note the use of the word "premier".

Think it is safe to assume that most premier OCs don't treat the Red Zone like their routine implosion place.

For all of his issues this season, Spavital is a very well-thought-of offensive coordinator who has been very successful in that role throughout his career.

We would be lucky to attract a similar talent to coordinate the defense next season, which is my point. The odds of that happening are slim to none, given that we're likely not dealing with the same resources this time around.

He'd probably look a lot better if he had a qb that didn't throw behind open receivers 50% of the time
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How about Bob rather than Mark….
blackie
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Big guy said:

How about Bob rather than Mark….


Baylor couldn't cover up Bob's internal team problems like the OU trustees did. It would be scandal 2.0.
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Baylorbears111 said:

We will fire Powledge and then hire internally.


When?
Dia del DougO
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If they just let Powledge coach his own defense his way it might show some improvement. Couldn't really be worse.
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BearlyBeloved said:

CDA's effort to be HC and DC flopped.

With CDA set to return next year, shouldn't we be focused on finding a premier candidate for defensive coordinator???

Who should be the candidates?




Would a competent DC want to move his family, change schools, etc, to bank on Dave?
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Bearknuckle said:

bear2be2 said:

BEAR 45 said:

bear2be2 said:

BEAR 45 said:

bear2be2 said:

Adriacus Peratuun said:

bear2be2 said:

Adriacus Peratuun said:

BearlyBeloved said:

CDA's effort to be HC and DC flopped.

With CDA set to return next year, shouldn't we be focused on finding a premier candidate for defensive coordinator???

Who should be the candidates?



How often do premier employees willingly board a sinking ship?

Spavital did it in 2024. But we had the money to go out and hire him. This time around, it seems like a straight punt until the new AD arrives, so I'm guessing we're not going to be money-whipping any new staff additions.

Note the use of the word "premier".

Think it is safe to assume that most premier OCs don't treat the Red Zone like their routine implosion place.

For all of his issues this season, Spavital is a very well-thought-of offensive coordinator who has been very successful in that role throughout his career.

We would be lucky to attract a similar talent to coordinate the defense next season, which is my point. The odds of that happening are slim to none, given that we're likely not dealing with the same resources this time around.

How do you account for our lack of production in the red zone ? We put up big numbers all season except when we got inside the 20. Maybe his play design or play calls had something to do with that ??

We couldn't run the football reliably or consistently. Teams that can't run the football move the ball well between the 20s and bog down when the field condenses and makes passing the ball more difficult.

That's been the quintessential problem/concern of basically every Air Raid offense ever.

Baylor does not run an air raid offense. Spav's typical call, run twice for no gain and then throw a fade to the corner of the end zone to our shortest receiver. He cannot isolate a 6'5" tight end, that is more of a wide receiver than tight end, on a linebacker in the red zone ?

Spav comes from the Air Raid tree. When his run game is working, he leans on the power run game. When it doesn't, he falls back on his Air Raid roots, which is why we averaged 11 more pass attempts per game this season than last.

Our red zone offense sucked because our run game sucked. You can't score consistently in the red zone when you can't run the ball reliably. And this year's team couldn't. That was apparent in the Auburn game and never changed for 12 games.

It's not a unidirectional relationship between the run game and the passing game in hybrid schemes like Spav's Dirt Raid.

It's impossible to evaluate the Offense's failures this year without including Sawyer's inconsistency as a key ingredient to the **** sandwich.

You can reply once again criticisms of Sawyer are unfair. He 'had to be perfect' and that that pressure got to be too much. There's some truth to that...but he really didn't need to be literally perfect for us to win more games, he just needed fewer costly mistakes like overthrowing WRs who'd gotten behind the defense and underthrowing it when they found gaps.

Spav's share of the blame for Sawyer's regression is unclear: Sawyer's mechanics got worse this year, especially his angle of delivery. Have you ever seen a QB with Sawyer's size and arm talent have as many balls batted down? Some will blame our OL, but Robertson himself deserves most of the blame for that issue.

A fully healthy Knighten and Pendergrass, plus very athletic QBs in White & Griffin...Spav could definitely have major resurgence next season if our OL gets solidified this offseason as promised.

Quarterbacks without running games usually struggle with consistency because it's impossible to be efficient in the red zone throwing the ball as much as we did this season.

Sawyer's performance certainly suffered this year in the second half. There's no question about that. But our lack of a reliable running game played a huge role in that because we were consistently behind the chains and trying to convert do-or-die fourth downs between the 20s and then were forced to throw three of every four downs in the red zone, which is a recipe for disaster.

I'm not absolving Robertson of all blame. He wasn't very good the second half of this season. But our running game -- or lack there of -- was by far the biggest problem we had offensively. Virtually every other issue we had either stemmed from or was exacerbated by that fundamental failure.
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Dia del DougO said:

If they just let Powledge coach his own defense his way it might show some improvement. Couldn't really be worse.
He did that in 2023. It was just as bad as this year's.

The entire defensive staff should have been replaced after that disaster. Honestly the entire staff, period, should have been sent packing, but clearly the buyout made firing Dave impossible.
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bear2be2 said:


Quarterbacks without running games usually struggle with consistency because it's impossible to be efficient in the red zone throwing the ball as much as we did this season.

Sawyer's performance certainly suffered this year in the second half. There's no question about that. But our lack of a reliable running game played a huge role in that because we were consistently behind the chains and trying to convert do-or-die fourth downs between the 20s and then were forced to throw three of every four downs in the red zone, which is a recipe for disaster.

I'm not absolving Robertson of all blame. He wasn't very good the second half of this season. But our running game -- or lack there of -- was by far the biggest problem we had offensively. Virtually every other issue we had either stemmed from or was exacerbated by that fundamental failure.

the run game issues affected everything else no doubt, but so did Sawyer's yips. So in the context of Spav's playcalling as a OC/QBC, I do think the yips were a massive factor: there were lots of receivers who got open and were never targeted or got very poor/uncatchable throws their way...
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Dia del DougO said:

If they just let Powledge coach his own defense his way it might show some improvement. Couldn't really be worse.

We tried that, too.
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bear2be2 said:

Dia del DougO said:

If they just let Powledge coach his own defense his way it might show some improvement. Couldn't really be worse.
He did that in 2023. It was just as bad as this year's.

The entire defensive staff should have been replaced after that disaster. Honestly the entire staff, period, should have been sent packing, but clearly the buyout made firing Dave impossible.


Man people don't hate Mack enough for the dumpster fire he created here. He screwed us on the front end with an awful contract that left us with a coach we couldn't get rid of for years after it was clear he was an absolute liability and then managed to have a midlife crisis at the exact time we need an AD to help us navigate the future of our football team. That guy should never be allowed to work again.
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bear2be2 said:

Dia del DougO said:

If they just let Powledge coach his own defense his way it might show some improvement. Couldn't really be worse.

He did that in 2023. It was just as bad as this year's.

The entire defensive staff should have been replaced after that disaster. Honestly the entire staff, period, should have been sent packing, but clearly the buyout made firing Dave impossible.

True, but it was his first year, and I have my doubts as to how much control he really had.

Not saying he's great, but he's not worse.

And I wasn't really that serous about it, other than if they aren't going to hire anybody, I would prefer that option. But I doubt it is really possible.
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Dia del DougO said:

bear2be2 said:

Dia del DougO said:

If they just let Powledge coach his own defense his way it might show some improvement. Couldn't really be worse.

He did that in 2023. It was just as bad as this year's.

The entire defensive staff should have been replaced after that disaster. Honestly the entire staff, period, should have been sent packing, but clearly the buyout made firing Dave impossible.

True, but it was his first year, and I have my doubts as to how much control he really had.

Not saying he's great, but he's not worse.

And I wasn't really that serous about it, other than if they aren't going to hire anybody, I would prefer that option. But I doubt it is really possible.
By all accounts, Powledge was given complete control of the defense, and Dave took CEO head coach role that season as he had with Roberts before.

That Dave was no better when he reclaimed control of the defense was a major issue. But all of these folks have more than earned a pink slip based on performance.
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BUATX2000 said:

bear2be2 said:

Dia del DougO said:

If they just let Powledge coach his own defense his way it might show some improvement. Couldn't really be worse.

He did that in 2023. It was just as bad as this year's.

The entire defensive staff should have been replaced after that disaster. Honestly the entire staff, period, should have been sent packing, but clearly the buyout made firing Dave impossible.


Man people don't hate Mack enough for the dumpster fire he created here. He screwed us on the front end with an awful contract that left us with a coach we couldn't get rid of for years after it was clear he was an absolute liability and then managed to have a midlife crisis at the exact time we need an AD to help us navigate the future of our football team. That guy should never be allowed to work again.


It turned into disaster for sure. But I'm not sure how much to blame Mack, other than he probably pulled that trigger at least a season too soon. Was somebody knocking at the door to hire Aranda away? Maybe.

But in reality, that's what coach contracts are these days. Look at other program hires since then and Aranda's doesn't look much different. Everybody was way on board with it at the time. People were feeling good about the future under Aranda. Got him locked in, and folks celebrated.

Hindsight is 20/20, and that's just the way college football go.
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