Joey McGuire

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SailorBear13
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Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.
JudgeBear1845
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Would we be better, absolutely. Would we be this good, no.

Don't see us having a Cody Campbell or an admin that truly embraced and got ahead of NIL/portal. That deserves almost more credit than Joey.

Before Cody Campbell, Joey went 8-5, 7-4, and 8-5.
dycbaylor02
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CJM is an above average coach so far. But this is a 20mm+ roster. Don't forget that money can buy a stellar roster and can lead to wins. They have great coaches on staff overall. I wonder if Aranda had the same roster how we would fare.
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JudgeBear1845 said:

Would we be better, absolutely. Would we be this good, no.

Don't see us having a Cody Campbell or an admin that truly embraced and got ahead of NIL/portal. That deserves almost more credit that Joey.

Before Cody Campbell, Joey went 8-5, 7-4, and 8-5.

yeah we don't have a cody campbell or dusty womble or a kirby hocutt. we got linda, dave, and the ghost of mack aranda as the weirdest of weird weirdos in the most pivotal roles of a university.
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I recall folks on this board being absolutely thrilled that we had Aranda instead of McGuire after the 2021 season.

In fact, you could probably go back to the morning of October 20, 2024, and ask those same folks if they still preferred McGuire over Aranda, after we won in Lubbock 59-35.

The reality is that we live in a "What have you done for me lately world?"

And for at least this year, McGuire is the toast of the town.

Funny how things can change from one season to the next.
hodedofome
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LTBear19 said:

I recall folks on this board being absolutely thrilled that we had Aranda instead of McGuire after the 2021 season.

In fact, you could probably go back to the morning of October 20, 2024, and ask those same folks if they still preferred McGuire over Aranda, after we won in Lubbock 58-35.

The reality is that we live in a "What have you done for me lately world?"

And for at least this year, McGuire is the toast of the town.

Funny how things can change from one season to the next.


I was never an Aranda first guy. You can make the argument that McGuire has head coached teams to championships before, so he knows what it takes. Aranda has never done that.
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LTBear19 said:

I recall folks on this board being absolutely thrilled that we had Aranda instead of McGuire after the 2021 season.

In fact, you could probably go back to the morning of October 20, 2024, and ask those same folks if they still preferred McGuire over Aranda, after we won in Lubbock 58-35.

The reality is that we live in a "What have you done for me lately world?"

And for at least this year, McGuire is the toast of the town.

Funny how things can change from one season to the next.


Or 6 seasons. Though a lot of us saw he was a very suspect hire from the get-go and supported Joey.
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SailorBear13 said:

Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.
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CaliBear00 said:

SailorBear13 said:

Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.


This. He's proven to be a decent FBS coach, but not someone you would want to hire to lead your program to a conference title game or double digit win seasons….unless your program can dominate NIL in your league.
muddybrazos
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Its helps to have Cody Campbell paying the way but with Joey and JKB we coulda gotten plenty of talent to Waco. Its a lot easier to get talent to Waco than Lubbock.
SailorBear13
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This was my thought process. Joey had 3 years to develop a relationship with leadership and pitch to them what it's going to take to win. It's possible massive recruiting and an influx of money for NIL could have occurred with him here if we had the excitement and momentum. Just look at the Briles years, everyone was giving.

Hoping leadership realizes what it's going to take to win, and we need a great AD and new HC backed by big NIL.
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dycbaylor02 said:

CJM is an above average coach so far. But this is a 20mm+ roster. Don't forget that money can buy a stellar roster and can lead to wins. They have great coaches on staff overall. I wonder if Aranda had the same roster how we would fare.

So is Alabama, so is Georgia, so is LSU, so is Texas, so is Oklahoma, so why not put Joey in the same category with those coaches.
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JudgeBear1845 said:

Would we be better, absolutely. Would we be this good, no.

Don't see us having a Cody Campbell or an admin that truly embraced and got ahead of NIL/portal. That deserves almost more credit than Joey.

Before Cody Campbell, Joey went 8-5, 7-4, and 8-5.

Would Cody Campbell have got behind Tech NIL if there wasn't a gung-ho Joey? Who knows?
LIB,MR BEARS
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CaliBear00 said:

SailorBear13 said:

Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.

That rah-rah guy ALWAYS pushed "TAKE3" for three takeaways each game. Today TTU had 4 in the championship game.

How did Baylor do with takeaways this year?

If Joey is a cheerleader, he's a damn hot one.
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The mantra that it's easier to get guys to come to Waco than Lubbock is overstated. Football matters to most Tech students. Baylor? Not so much. The behavioral rules at Tech are a lot looser than at Baylor. Want a beer? Go for it. Girls? Absolutely. Facilities? They speak for themselves. Rich donors. Absolutely.
Chapel required? No.

Gonzaga prospers in basketball despite being in a small town in eastern Washington. The size and location of the college town doesn't matter all that much.

BellCountyBear
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What I wonder is how long will the money train last out in Lubbock? Tech's success ain't about Joey. He was just good enough not to **** it up.
muddybrazos
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GruntTuff said:

The mantra that it's easier to get guys to come to Waco than Lubbock is overstated. Football matters to most Tech students. Baylor? Not so much. The behavioral rules at Tech are a lot looser than at Baylor. Want a beer? Go for it. Girls? Absolutely. Facilities? They speak for themselves. Rich donors. Absolutely.
Chapel required? No.

Gonzaga prospers in basketball despite being in a small town in eastern Washington. The size and location of the college town doesn't matter all that much.



I dont agree. Players live with 2-3 hours drive of Waco and their familes can easily drive down for games. If you live in Houston you have like a 9 hour drive to Lubbock. During the Briles years our games were fun and the tailgating was a party. We have seen what its like and we could be there again.
Reverend
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Aren't we happy Dave's just not some "rah-rah guy."
LIB,MR BEARS
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Reverend said:

Aren't we happy Dave's just not some "rah-rah guy." /s

FIFY
WA Jim
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GruntTuff said:

The mantra that it's easier to get guys to come to Waco than Lubbock is overstated. Football matters to most Tech students. Baylor? Not so much. The behavioral rules at Tech are a lot looser than at Baylor. Want a beer? Go for it. Girls? Absolutely. Facilities? They speak for themselves. Rich donors. Absolutely.
Chapel required? No.

Gonzaga prospers in basketball despite being in a small town in eastern Washington. The size and location of the college town doesn't matter all that much.



Gonzaga is in Spokane - Spokane/Coeur d'Alene MSA is around 790,000 population - so not very small town, in the typical small town definition.
JXL
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I posted at the time that we should hire McGuire.
Harrison Bergeron
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McGuire is exactly the type of coach needed in today's college football. He's a cheerleader that excites fans, boosters, donors, and players. He can hire guys to run the three phases, but he gets people excited about the program. He's literally the opposite of Dave, who may be the single most boring coach in all of sports.
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muddybrazos said:

Its helps to have Cody Campbell paying the way but with Joey and JKB we coulda gotten plenty of talent to Waco. Its a lot easier to get talent to Waco than Lubbock.


Those days are over. If they ever were.
Thank you Miami Hurricanes. 10-3. :)
DAC
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Don't let these clowns fool you. You could plug multiple different coaches into Joeys spot and they wouldn't go 12-1. There have been dozens of teams over the years with superior money for players before and after NIL. see UT and Aggy
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Aberzombie1892 said:

CaliBear00 said:

SailorBear13 said:

Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.


This. He's proven to be a decent FBS coach, but not someone you would want to hire to lead your program to a conference title game or double digit win seasons….unless your program can dominate NIL in your league.

You're a r e t a r d. Do you think he just showed up and they throw money at him or do you think coaches play a part in raising funds ?
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I'm pretty sure I remember seeing Dave Aranda bend Joey over backwards multiple times when Joey supposedly had the better team on paper. And yes, Joey was bought the best team in the conference by far. That's just a fact. I can't stand Aranda, but he already has been there, done that without a $20 million roster. And that's a fact
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SailorBear13 said:

Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

Texas Tech has some "bad dudes." They are no longer tolerated on the campus of Baylor University.

TT is in the top four. Our boys will be at home eating Christmas cookies on the sofa for the holidays. It is what it is. A special shout out to Regents Murff, Reeter, and Jeffrey.
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DAC said:

Aberzombie1892 said:

CaliBear00 said:

SailorBear13 said:

Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.


This. He's proven to be a decent FBS coach, but not someone you would want to hire to lead your program to a conference title game or double digit win seasons….unless your program can dominate NIL in your league.

You're a r e t a r d. Do you think he just showed up and they throw money at him or do you think coaches play a part in raising funds ?


Since nothing here disputes anything stated in the quoted post, it would seem as though maybe the wrong person is being called -that- word, huh?
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Youre a clown said:

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing Dave Aranda bend Joey over backwards multiple times when Joey supposedly had the better team on paper. And yes, Joey was bought the best team in the conference by far. That's just a fact. I can't stand Aranda, but he already has been there, done that without a $20 million roster. And that's a fact
Thank you Miami Hurricanes. 10-3. :)
Hotsauce
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If you are willing to throw exorbitant amounts of money to buy players....sure!!
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BellCountyBear said:

What I wonder is how long will the money train last out in Lubbock? Tech's success ain't about Joey. He was just good enough not to **** it up.

He was good enough to put a staff together

Our staff comes and goes through a revolving door.
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

CaliBear00 said:

SailorBear13 said:

Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.

That rah-rah guy ALWAYS pushed "TAKE3" for three takeaways each game. Today TTU had 4 in the championship game.

How did Baylor do with takeaways this year?

If Joey is a cheerleader, he's a damn hot one.


Perhaps read the part again where he only looks great now because the boosters got him the best players money could buy.
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CaliBear00 said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

CaliBear00 said:

SailorBear13 said:

Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.

That rah-rah guy ALWAYS pushed "TAKE3" for three takeaways each game. Today TTU had 4 in the championship game.

How did Baylor do with takeaways this year?

If Joey is a cheerleader, he's a damn hot one.


Perhaps read the part again where he only looks great now because the boosters got him the best players money could buy.



Wins everywhere he goes, Tech wasn't in very good shape when he got there. Won 23 games his first 3 years, that is pretty good. I believe he won 3 high school state championship. He is way better than what we have!!

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CaliBear00 said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

CaliBear00 said:

SailorBear13 said:

Watching the Big 12 championship game it's hard to think…. is this what could have been at Baylor Football if we kept him as HC?

With him and James Blanchard there is an argument to be had our team would have been much better. I guess we'll never know.

It'd still be mediocre here. McGwire turned out to be pretty mid as a head coach. It took buying a team to finally get him beyond an eight win season. He always was mostly a rah-rah guy.

That rah-rah guy ALWAYS pushed "TAKE3" for three takeaways each game. Today TTU had 4 in the championship game.

How did Baylor do with takeaways this year?

If Joey is a cheerleader, he's a damn hot one.


Perhaps read the part again where he only looks great now because the boosters got him the best players money could buy.

He's put together one heck of a staff.

Our guy had an OL coach from Tarleton State
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BUBBFAN said:

dycbaylor02 said:

CJM is an above average coach so far. But this is a 20mm+ roster. Don't forget that money can buy a stellar roster and can lead to wins. They have great coaches on staff overall. I wonder if Aranda had the same roster how we would fare.

So is Alabama, so is Georgia, so is LSU, so is Texas, so is Oklahoma, so why not put Joey in the same category with those coaches.


Exactly.

Nick Saban looked exactly like pre-NIL infusion Joey McGuire at Michigan State.

No one qualifies his record at LSU or Alabama, which were what they were under him in no small part because of the talent he could get on his roster.
 
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