bear2be2 said:
Bearknuckle said:
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LIB,MR BEARS said:
bear2be2 said:
Bearknuckle said:
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CaliBear00 said:
What happened? I thought that McGwire's big CFP run was all him and had nothing to do with a billionaire buying him a team?
You realize Oregon has their own billionaire, right?
yeah but the Fightin' Phil Knights apparently have a superior coaching staff (at least until Stein is actually out the door).
The whole argument here has been whether Joey is a good coach who lucked into a great situation in Lubbock (i.e. Cody Campbell's patronage), or if he was in fact also an elite coach. That argument may not be completely settled just yet, but it certainly is leaning heavily to the former scenario right now...
The only people I've seen use the word "elite" are the folks that are not fans of Joey as they try to put words in other's mouths.
A coach does not need to be elite to be better than Dave.
I guess, but that cuts both ways. The only people claiming anyone says Joey sucks are the people trying to mitigate the impact of his NIL budget vis-a-vis Tech's breakout success this year. I haven't seen anyone claiming he's a flat out bad coach. Mediocre/fair-to-middling is about as ugly as it's gotten.
As for Joey vs Dave: Joey has had more NIL support than Dave this entire time, and Dave's troubles there really seem to stem from when he & Mack pursued their ridiculous Soviet approach to NIL in '22 & '23...we've yet to fully recover from that colossal mistake.
I think Joey is a good HC with elite Rah-Rah skills. We've established that I think Dave is better Xs/Os coach than the vast majority y'all do, but even from my homer's POV, his booster and fan relations have definitely been subpar.
So at this point I have no problem giving the edge to Joey as the more complete HC...frankly, that hardly seems debatable at this point. But on the flipside, Dave's H2H success when talent has been more or less equal can't simply be dismissed as a fluke.
Next year is make or break for both coaches, tbh. Although Dave might not even survive the first half of the season, Joey would have to have a historically bad implosion not to at least make it to December. But if they don't make the B12 Title game in '26, though, I do think he's probably fired too. Can't fail to win a Playoff game in back to back years with the rosters he's being given.
Kirby Smart just failed to win a playoff game in back-to-back years with far more talented rosters.
Some of you guys just talk to talk.
That must be one of those swords that cut both ways.
My point is that -- outside of like three to five programs with insane fans and administrations -- no one is getting fired for making annual playoff appearances.
Good -- and even great -- coaches lose games in the playoff because they're coaching against other good/great coaches with really talented teams.
Not every single college football game needs to be a referendum. Sometimes, teams just don't play very well and lose. And other times, they play well but the other team just plays better. That's sports. But 12-win seasons with conference championship trophies are never a failure.
that was directed more towards bearknuckle.
Lanning has been in the Playoffs more often than not so far in his brief HC tenure. Kirby's an established coach with two natties already.
Neither Joey nor Dave have that sort of track record yet...so to me it's an obvious difference in expectation levels.
But yes, giant NIL budgets are a double-edged sword, just ask James Franklin.
You think Tech fans/administration/donors have the same expectations as Georgia (or Penn State) fans/administration/donors?
To suggest that anything short of an absolutely disastrous 2026 season would have Joey McGuire on the hot seat, much less fired, is absurd.
I don't know why it's so hard for so many here to fathom, but most Tech fans really like Joey, and those who would decide his fate there love him. He's not going anywhere for a long time.
no, you've gone down a completely different path than the direction I was heading. I'm not saying that Tech fans have the same high expectation level as Georgia or even Oregon fans.
What I am saying is that Kirby and Lanning have both established trends that they'll get to the Playoff just about every year that they have a fantastic roster. So those programs and their fanbases have a reasonable expectation of a rebound.
Joey hasn't established himself at that level yet, so if he stumbles at all next year, he's going to be way more vulnerable.
Let's imagine that they once again have a top 10/top 5 roster budget, but win only 9 games and fail to make the Big12 title game, all with a schedule that sets up to be very favorable to them. After a season of that ilk, if the agent of a coach with serious buzz comes calling, say, Eli Drinkwitz coming off a playoff berth and not getting what he wants from Mizzou, or ditto with Pat Fitzgerald and Mich St., etc, then I think Daddy Campbell might well say "
Thanks for the help, Joey, but we're going in a different direction." All that said, they have a seemingly easy schedule next season, it would seem, so if they can assemble a defense that's at least 90% of what this one was, but with a full tier upgrade at QB, Joey may well win a natty next year.
