Why not us? They have lost more games all time than any other program (until last month) when Northwesten passed them by one game.

If they are at the top on the college football rankings, why not us? Indiana has objectively been the worst team in D1.

New AD, new direction, new vision. LFG!!!

They have a huge alumni with a lot of money.

Smashmouth said:

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They have a huge alumni with a lot of money.

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Did their alumni just start caring about football? Or did they just not know how to cheat before NIL?

BellCountyBear said:

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Smashmouth said:

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They have a huge alumni with a lot of money.

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Did their alumni just start caring about football? Or did they just not know how to cheat before NIL?

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Both. Plus the basketball money went over to football

BellCountyBear said:

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Smashmouth said:

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They have a huge alumni with a lot of money.

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Did their alumni just start caring about football? Or did they just not know how to cheat before NIL?

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Likely a combination of both. Contrary to popular belief, NIL benefits the B1G more than the SEC given the B1G's resources - even Nick Saban agrees.

With your point baylor does have lots of potential in fertile recruiting ground. Just takes lots of investment and good coaching.

Indiana wins!
13-10

IowaBear, you come around on Indiana yet?

That team is L-E-G-I-T.

Anyone willing to spend heavily can win rn.

Hotsauce said:

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Anyone willing to spend heavily can win rn.

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Help us bill Gates's girlfriend. You're our only hope.

We better hire someone who is ready to stir the pot and change the culture of our very meh program

BUATX2000 said:

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Why not us?

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2 reasons why.

Coaches like Cignetti aren't a dime a dozen - they are rare. I wanted to hire Cignetti 2-3 years ago. The guy won everywhere he was at and won at a high level. I remember posting in some thread (coaching candidates?) that cignetti was the guy.

Reason 2:

We are crippled with the contract that a dumb dumb gave to CDA - we cannot buy him out because we don't have b10 or sec money rolling into our coffers. We make quite a bit less on our TV contracts.

The coaching contracts need a reality check, btw. Giving out those insane contracts shows that academic administrators have no business sense whatsoever. It's why you need a businessman running your program now. not someone who has spent their career in academics. The two don't mesh.

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Why not us? They have lost more games all time than any other program (until last month) when Northwesten passed them by one game.

If they are at the top on the college football rankings, why not us? Indiana has objectively been the worst team in D1.

New AD, new direction, new vision. LFG!!!

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We were doing it! 2012-2015 were great. (2021 too!) The admin has quit. They don't care about winning. It's why I'm dropping season tickets I've had since 2009.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Smashmouth said:

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They have a huge alumni with a lot of money.

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Did their alumni just start caring about football? Or did they just not know how to cheat before NIL?

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Likely a combination of both. Contrary to popular belief, NIL benefits the B1G more than the SEC given the B1G's resources - even Nick Saban agrees.

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Yep. The Big 10 is sitting on more alumni cash than any other conference. Sometimes it just takes the right leadership to marshal a good coach and inspire alumni to invest. Maybe Mr. Magnolia can do that.

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Indisns wins!
13-10

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Could you please post a pic of an Indisn?

I have never seen one. (I have seen Jackalopes-not live ones just mounted ones.)

Narc Puban:

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Cuban declined to say how much he donated, but did say it was "a big number," and he didn't specify where the donation should go within the athletic department. Cuban has a close relationship with athletic director Scott Dolson, as he did Dolson's predecessor Fred Glass, but it was the kinship with Cignetti that pushed him to give. They originally met at a fundraiser for the singer John Mellencamp. There, they figured out both were born in the same Pittsburg area hospital and are ....
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D!

Supposedly the new AD hire is going to get draw in some $$$$$$$$$ -we can hope.

Otherwise we'll need to drop to a smaller conference here in a few years.

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Indisns wins!
13-10

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Oh My!

- DE BHJ

D!

ParadeOfBears said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Why not us? They have lost more games all time than any other program (until last month) when Northwesten passed them by one game.

If they are at the top on the college football rankings, why not us? Indiana has objectively been the worst team in D1.

New AD, new direction, new vision. LFG!!!

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We were doing it! 2012-2015 were great. (2021 too!) The admin has quit. They don't care about winning. It's why I'm dropping season tickets I've had since 2009.

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The question that has no way to be answered, would Briles have been able to keep those players away from the programs that would have pounced on them with moneybag offers. We are now in a time where money talks and if enough money is offered, the athlete is completely stupid to not move on it. Baylor has never had and will likely never have that level of money to have kept the roster that we had in 2012-2015 if free agency and NIL had been there then.

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Narc Puban:

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Cuban declined to say how much he donated, but did say it was "a big number," and he didn't specify where the donation should go within the athletic department. Cuban has a close relationship with athletic director Scott Dolson, as he did Dolson's predecessor Fred Glass, but it was the kinship with Cignetti that pushed him to give. They originally met at a fundraiser for the singer John Mellencamp. There, they figured out both were born in the same Pittsburg area hospital and are ....
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- uncle fred

D!

Supposedly the new AD hire is going to get draw in some $$$$$$$$$ -we can hope.

Otherwise we'll need to drop to a smaller conference here in a few years.

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And we should be able to judge whether this is a good hire very quickly based on that being the big pr push for the decision. This is an experiment and we shouldn't be doing it very long if it is not playing out as billed. I also think this is the type of move that should also determine Livingstone's fate if it is a gamble that fails. I say that as one who has defended her here as y'all know.

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BUATX2000 said:

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Why not us?

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2 reasons why.

Coaches like Cignetti aren't a dime a dozen - they are rare. I wanted to hire Cignetti 2-3 years ago. The guy won everywhere he was at and won at a high level. I remember posting in some thread (coaching candidates?) that cignetti was the guy.

Reason 2:

We are crippled with the contract that a dumb dumb gave to CDA - we cannot buy him out because we don't have b10 or sec money rolling into our coffers. We make quite a bit less on our TV contracts.

The coaching contracts need a reality check, btw. Giving out those insane contracts shows that academic administrators have no business sense whatsoever. It's why you need a businessman running your program now. not someone who has spent their career in academics. The two don't mesh.

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Do we know IF he was interviewed or even considered? Did he possibly turn down and interview or stated he had no interest? Can't remember that far back or board discussions here.

William. I suspected Cuban was behind Indiana's NIL. Thanks for confirming.

I think, but I could be wrong, that we have only one legit billionaire alumni and that would be Drayton McLane. We need more tech billionaires. Unless daddy's loaded most of the recent BU grads will be coming out of school with a boat load of student loan debt.

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I think, but I could be wrong, that we have only one legit billionaire alumni and that would be Drayton McLane. We need more tech billionaires. Unless daddy's loaded most of the recent BU grads will be coming out of school with a boat load of student loan debt.

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Joe Albritton (deceased)

Paul Foster

Bob Simpson

Mark Hurd (deceased)

Drayton

How much is puppet boy Dunham worth? Not a billionaire but not much overhead in his business.

Stefano DiMera said:

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Bandito said:

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I think, but I could be wrong, that we have only one legit billionaire alumni and that would be Drayton McLane. We need more tech billionaires. Unless daddy's loaded most of the recent BU grads will be coming out of school with a boat load of student loan debt.

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Joe Albritton (deceased)

Paul Foster

Bob Simpson

Mark Hurd (deceased)

Drayton

How much is puppet boy Dunham worth? Not a billionaire but not much overhead in his business.

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AI also mentions Gary Keller: Co-founder and Chairman of Keller Williams Realty International, and adds the caveat he may not be a billionaire but has significant wealth

Yeah that's my point.

We probably have 10 more like him.

Everyone is losing their mind over Cody Campbell at Tech but we have plenty like him.

The problem I surmised on another thread is those 45-55 year old multi millionaires were in school during the Roberts/Steele years so there was nothing to endear them to athletics .

And we don't do a good job rallying those young alumni to support.

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ParadeOfBears said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Why not us? They have lost more games all time than any other program (until last month) when Northwesten passed them by one game.

If they are at the top on the college football rankings, why not us? Indiana has objectively been the worst team in D1.

New AD, new direction, new vision. LFG!!!

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We were doing it! 2012-2015 were great. (2021 too!) The admin has quit. They don't care about winning. It's why I'm dropping season tickets I've had since 2009.

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The question that has no way to be answered, would Briles have been able to keep those players away from the programs that would have pounced on them with moneybag offers. We are now in a time where money talks and if enough money is offered, the athlete is completely stupid to not move on it. Baylor has never had and will likely never have that level of money to have kept the roster that we had in 2012-2015 if free agency and NIL had been there then.

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Since your scenario implies Briles was still in play, then you are also implying he was never ostracized by the general public and college football, meaning that we're looking at a what if situation with the events of 2016 not happening.

If that were the case, Briles wouldn't have been at Baylor. Most likely scenario is that Campbell would have gobbled him up at first chance with an astronomical salary at Tech, and Art has vocally said he loved living in Lubbock so there's no reason to believe he wouldn't have been gone much sooner than some of the players who would have been lured away by more money. And, if Tech hadn't done it, UT would have gobbled him up the second time after canning Tom Herman.

But I do agree with your premise: we would've had a difficult time holding on to top players unless Simpson, Williams, Drayton and a few others piled out a lot of money. As much as the players loved Art, someone flashing $2 or $3 million in front of you while Baylor could only offer half or even less than that would make almost any kid and his parents follow the dough.

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Narc Puban:

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Cuban declined to say how much he donated, but did say it was "a big number," and he didn't specify where the donation should go within the athletic department. Cuban has a close relationship with athletic director Scott Dolson, as he did Dolson's predecessor Fred Glass, but it was the kinship with Cignetti that pushed him to give. They originally met at a fundraiser for the singer John Mellencamp. There, they figured out both were born in the same Pittsburg area hospital and are ....
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- uncle fred

D!

Supposedly the new AD hire is going to get draw in some $$$$$$$$$ -we can hope.

Otherwise we'll need to drop to a smaller conference here in a few years.

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Get a winning coach, and you'll get the $

I think Foster has migrated to UT. He built the new medical wing there. He has been very important to our facilities. Not sure he is interested in NIL. I heard Simpson is pissed. No idea. Drayton has been quiet.

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blackie said:

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ParadeOfBears said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Why not us? They have lost more games all time than any other program (until last month) when Northwesten passed them by one game.

If they are at the top on the college football rankings, why not us? Indiana has objectively been the worst team in D1.

New AD, new direction, new vision. LFG!!!

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We were doing it! 2012-2015 were great. (2021 too!) The admin has quit. They don't care about winning. It's why I'm dropping season tickets I've had since 2009.

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The question that has no way to be answered, would Briles have been able to keep those players away from the programs that would have pounced on them with moneybag offers. We are now in a time where money talks and if enough money is offered, the athlete is completely stupid to not move on it. Baylor has never had and will likely never have that level of money to have kept the roster that we had in 2012-2015 if free agency and NIL had been there then.

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Since your scenario implies Briles was still in play, then you are also implying he was never ostracized by the general public and college football, meaning that we're looking at a what if situation with the events of 2016 not happening.

If that were the case, Briles wouldn't have been at Baylor. Most likely scenario is that Campbell would have gobbled him up at first chance with an astronomical salary at Tech, and Art has vocally said he loved living in Lubbock so there's no reason to believe he wouldn't have been gone much sooner than some of the players who would have been lured away by more money. And, if Tech hadn't done it, UT would have gobbled him up the second time after canning Tom Herman.

But I do agree with your premise: we would've had a difficult time holding on to top players unless Simpson, Williams, Drayton and a few others piled out a lot of money. As much as the players loved Art, someone flashing $2 or $3 million in front of you while Baylor could only offer half or even less than that would make almost any kid and his parents follow the dough.

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you should read art's book before suspecting him to leave waco voluntarily..

BUATX2000 said:

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Why not us? They have lost more games all time than any other program (until last month) when Northwesten passed them by one game.

If they are at the top on the college football rankings, why not us? Indiana has objectively been the worst team in D1.

New AD, new direction, new vision. LFG!!!

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I don't think our donors care like Mark Cuban.

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historian said:

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Indisns wins!
13-10

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Could you please post a pic of an Indisn?

I have never seen one. (I have seen Jackalopes-not live ones just mounted ones.)

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