Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I already like him based on what you posted. If I were him I'd rent rather than buy in Waco until the dust settles after the first three or four games. Surly Dave will be gone by then. I do not see anyway Klanderman can provide miracles with the D talent he will have on hand in 2026. Especially if incompetent Dave is meddling in D calls.

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Yep...as has been debated through various threads....it's not just scheme but also talent.

I don't care who was coaching our D this year...with the inability to get into the backfield it was gonna be a long year for anyone coaching.

Maybe part of that is teaching technique and they could've been better coached to shed blockers...but even on the rare occasions they got free they were so sloooooooow.

I remember someone around here used to say you can't coach speed.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I already like him based on what you posted. If I were him I'd rent rather than buy in Waco until the dust settles after the first three or four games. Surly Dave will be gone by then. I do not see anyway Klanderman can provide miracles with the D talent he will have on hand in 2026. Especially if incompetent Dave is meddling in D calls.

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baylor could be a transitional stay for klanderman. reality is we never know what's around the corner, ever. look at michigan today. look at nebraska basketball (10-0 and #23) compared to the vaunted matt rhule led football program leaking oil. look at txt. collin klein seems to be doing a complete staff makeover. joe got caught up in that. i like him too.

BBWCBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

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Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

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It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

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Where did you see that?

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Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

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This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

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Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

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Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

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Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

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How big is our NIL collective? Who's giving to it? What do they say?

Dougie Mac said "I think we'll work well together", what else should he have said? I think it's more telling that there has been no pushing of CDA & Dougie this far, even when he toured Fudge. No quote, no picture, nothing.

BBWCBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

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Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

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It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

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Where did you see that?

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Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

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This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

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Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

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Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

---

Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

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It's difficult to form an objective opinion without having access to and an understanding of Baylor's financials (including NIL), however, that being said, the firing of the old DC and hiring of the new one heavily implies that it's not a foregone conclusion that Dave will be fired next year. We will see how next season goes.

Robert Wilson said:

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BBWCBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

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Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

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It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

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Where did you see that?

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Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

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This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

---

Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

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Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

---

Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

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How big is our NIL collective? Who's giving to it? What do they say?

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I think the common fan has no awareness of the Boise settlement, that revenue sharing is now in place or that collectives are now a violation. The big story in due time will be how the house settlement is being violated and enforced, but that is now the law of the land. It's like most of the work doesn't know or care. But you have to understand that everyone is at least publicly pretending to adhere to it at this point.

I think Aranda could definitely be back beyond 2026. He can't be viewed as a lame duck internally, though they have made it pretty awkward. You just can't do business that way from either end of it.

A lot has to do with how fans engage, as much as wins and losses. But I can see him being back with 7 wins for sure. Not sure how happy we might be with that, but I can see it.

Ewalker80 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BBWCBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

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Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

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It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

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Where did you see that?

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Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

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This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

---

Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

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Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

---

Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

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How big is our NIL collective? Who's giving to it? What do they say?

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I think the common fan has no awareness of the Boise settlement, that revenue sharing is now in place or that collectives are now a violation. The big story in due time will be how the house settlement is being violated and enforced, but that is now the law of the land. It's like most of the work doesn't know or care. But you have to understand that everyone is at least publicly pretending to adhere to it at this point.

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I understand the schools are going to go to revenue sharing model, and I understand there is some desire to actually enforce NIL as NIL (I will be surprised if that is very effective), but the bottom line is you will still have alumni providing money for your roster. Those people are going to have a significant voice in whether Aranda is retained after, say, a 7-5 season.

Robert Wilson said:

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Ewalker80 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BBWCBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

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Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

---

It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

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Where did you see that?

---

Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

---

This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

---

Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

---

Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

---

Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

---

How big is our NIL collective? Who's giving to it? What do they say?

---

I think the common fan has no awareness of the Boise settlement, that revenue sharing is now in place or that collectives are now a violation. The big story in due time will be how the house settlement is being violated and enforced, but that is now the law of the land. It's like most of the work doesn't know or care. But you have to understand that everyone is at least publicly pretending to adhere to it at this point.

---

I understand the schools are going to go to revenue sharing model, and I understand there is some desire to actually enforce NIL as NIL (I will be surprised if that is very effective), but the bottom line is you will still have alumni providing money for your roster. Those people are going to have a significant voice in whether Aranda is retained after, say, a 7-5 season.

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Any attempt to limit NIL is going to be met with antitrust scrutiny. There will be no way to prevent collectives or individuals from using their funds to pay for players. I don't think the casual fan understands the impact of Alston. The unanimous opinion and cautionary statement by Roberts means even laws passed by congress are still open to antitrust rulings.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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BBWCBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

---

Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

---

It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

---

Where did you see that?

---

Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

---

This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

---

Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

---

Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

---

Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

---

It's difficult to form an objective opinion without having access to and an understanding of Baylor's financials (including NIL), however, that being said, the firing of the old DC and hiring of the new one heavily implies that it's not a foregone conclusion that Dave will be fired next year. We will see how next season goes.

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I don't think anyone thinks it's a foregone conclusion. The bar for retention will just be impossibly high given the circumstances.

There's a good chance we average less than 30,000 fans per game next season, and nothing short of a run to the Big 12 title game will get Baylor fans excited about a Dave Aranda-coached team at this point.

That's what happens when you go 22-28 with three losing seasons over a four-year period and a wholly uncompetitive 1-5 in your most recent six games. Fans give up on you and check out. And even if you follow that with "success," it won't be enough ... or even particularly celebrated. They'll just demand more.

Vibes still matter, and the powers that be at Baylor have let the vibes around our football program get way too bad.

Ewalker80 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BBWCBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

---

Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

---

It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

---

Where did you see that?

---

Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

---

This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

---

Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

---

Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

---

Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

---

How big is our NIL collective? Who's giving to it? What do they say?

---

I think the common fan has no awareness of the Boise settlement, that revenue sharing is now in place or that collectives are now a violation. The big story in due time will be how the house settlement is being violated and enforced, but that is now the law of the land. It's like most of the work doesn't know or care. But you have to understand that everyone is at least publicly pretending to adhere to it at this point.

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No one is following the settlement on NIL. And the second it's challenged in court, it will be shot down the like the farce it is.

Without collective bargaining, you can not limit a player's NIL earnings. The courts have said that over and over and over. And they'll do so again with this.

bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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BBWCBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

---

Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

---

It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

---

Where did you see that?

---

Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

---

This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

---

Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

---

Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

---

Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

---

It's difficult to form an objective opinion without having access to and an understanding of Baylor's financials (including NIL), however, that being said, the firing of the old DC and hiring of the new one heavily implies that it's not a foregone conclusion that Dave will be fired next year. We will see how next season goes.

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I don't think anyone thinks it's a foregone conclusion. The bar for retention will just be impossibly high given the circumstances.

There's a good chance we average less than 30,000 fans per game next season, and nothing short of a run to the Big 12 title game will get Baylor fans excited about a Dave Aranda-coached team at this point.

That's what happens when you go 22-28 with three losing seasons over a four-year period and a wholly uncompetitive 1-5 in your most recent six games. Fans give up on you and check out. And even if you follow that with "success," it won't be enough ... or even particularly celebrated. They'll just demand more.

Vibes still matter, and the powers that be at Baylor have let the vibes around our football program get way too bad.

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Based on the sentiment in this forum, I would disagree with the first sentence, but the rest is agreeable.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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BBWCBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

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Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

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It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

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Where did you see that?

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Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

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This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

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Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

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Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

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Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

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It's difficult to form an objective opinion without having access to and an understanding of Baylor's financials (including NIL), however, that being said, the firing of the old DC and hiring of the new one heavily implies that it's not a foregone conclusion that Dave will be fired next year. We will see how next season goes.

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I don't think anyone thinks it's a foregone conclusion. The bar for retention will just be impossibly high given the circumstances.

There's a good chance we average less than 30,000 fans per game next season, and nothing short of a run to the Big 12 title game will get Baylor fans excited about a Dave Aranda-coached team at this point.

That's what happens when you go 22-28 with three losing seasons over a four-year period and a wholly uncompetitive 1-5 in your most recent six games. Fans give up on you and check out. And even if you follow that with "success," it won't be enough ... or even particularly celebrated. They'll just demand more.

Vibes still matter, and the powers that be at Baylor have let the vibes around our football program get way too bad.

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Based on the sentiment in this forum, I would disagree with the first sentence, but the rest is agreeable.

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I think most believe he will be fired because we have a six-year sample that says the guy isn't good enough. But believing he will get himself fired isn't the same as believing that he's already been fired behind the scenes.

Kevin Steele had the opportunity to save his job in 2002, and Guy Morriss had the opportunity to save his job in 2007. No one believed either was capable of actually doing so.

The sentiment is similar here with Aranda. And while the transfer portal and a new DC hire make a turnaround possible, they still don't make a substantial one likely ... because you can't hide a bad head coach.

bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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BBWCBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

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Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

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It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

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Where did you see that?

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Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

---

This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

---

Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

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Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

---

Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

---

It's difficult to form an objective opinion without having access to and an understanding of Baylor's financials (including NIL), however, that being said, the firing of the old DC and hiring of the new one heavily implies that it's not a foregone conclusion that Dave will be fired next year. We will see how next season goes.

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I don't think anyone thinks it's a foregone conclusion. The bar for retention will just be impossibly high given the circumstances.

There's a good chance we average less than 30,000 fans per game next season, and nothing short of a run to the Big 12 title game will get Baylor fans excited about a Dave Aranda-coached team at this point.

That's what happens when you go 22-28 with three losing seasons over a four-year period and a wholly uncompetitive 1-5 in your most recent six games. Fans give up on you and check out. And even if you follow that with "success," it won't be enough ... or even particularly celebrated. They'll just demand more.

Vibes still matter, and the powers that be at Baylor have let the vibes around our football program get way too bad.

---

Based on the sentiment in this forum, I would disagree with the first sentence, but the rest is agreeable.

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I think most believe he will be fired because we have a six-year sample that says the guy isn't good enough. But believing he will get himself fired isn't the same as believing that he's already been fired behind the scenes.

Kevin Steele had the opportunity to save his job in 2002, and Guy Morriss had the opportunity to save his job in 2007. No one believed either was capable of actually doing so.

The sentiment is similar here with Aranda. And while the transfer portal and a new DC hire make a turnaround possible, they still don't make a substantial one likely ... because you can't hide a bad head coach.

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that's the rub - if '21 was really just a mirage behind Rhule's players, then there's basically no chance that '26 doesn't end in Dave getting fired.

If '21 really did show real promise for Dave's HC career, then there's a fraction of a sliver of a chance we'll see a borderline miraculous turnaround in '26.

What I think has most of these folks gnashing their teeth is the idea that he'll barely make a bowl next year and yet still get retained despite cratered attendance and brand appeal.

I don't think that scenario will play out...because anything short of a miraculous turnaround is all-but-guaranteed to result in cratered attendance and brand appeal. But if it does go down that way, I'll go full-on Cyclone Larry and taze my own nuts.

Bearknuckle said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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BBWCBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

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Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

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It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

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Where did you see that?

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Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

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This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

---

Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

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Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

---

Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

---

It's difficult to form an objective opinion without having access to and an understanding of Baylor's financials (including NIL), however, that being said, the firing of the old DC and hiring of the new one heavily implies that it's not a foregone conclusion that Dave will be fired next year. We will see how next season goes.

---

I don't think anyone thinks it's a foregone conclusion. The bar for retention will just be impossibly high given the circumstances.

There's a good chance we average less than 30,000 fans per game next season, and nothing short of a run to the Big 12 title game will get Baylor fans excited about a Dave Aranda-coached team at this point.

That's what happens when you go 22-28 with three losing seasons over a four-year period and a wholly uncompetitive 1-5 in your most recent six games. Fans give up on you and check out. And even if you follow that with "success," it won't be enough ... or even particularly celebrated. They'll just demand more.

Vibes still matter, and the powers that be at Baylor have let the vibes around our football program get way too bad.

---

Based on the sentiment in this forum, I would disagree with the first sentence, but the rest is agreeable.

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I think most believe he will be fired because we have a six-year sample that says the guy isn't good enough. But believing he will get himself fired isn't the same as believing that he's already been fired behind the scenes.

Kevin Steele had the opportunity to save his job in 2002, and Guy Morriss had the opportunity to save his job in 2007. No one believed either was capable of actually doing so.

The sentiment is similar here with Aranda. And while the transfer portal and a new DC hire make a turnaround possible, they still don't make a substantial one likely ... because you can't hide a bad head coach.

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that's the rub - if '21 was really just a mirage behind Rhule's players, then there's basically no chance that '26 doesn't end in Dave getting fired.

If '21 really did show real promise for Dave's HC career, then there's a fraction of a sliver of a chance we'll see a borderline miraculous turnaround in '26.

What I think has most of these folks gnashing their teeth is the idea that he'll barely make a bowl next year and yet still get retained despite cratered attendance and brand appeal.

I don't think that scenario will play out...because anything short of a miraculous turnaround is all-but-guaranteed to result in cratered attendance and brand appeal. But if it does go down that way, I'll go full-on Cyclone Larry and taze my own nuts.

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Bearknuckle said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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BBWCBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

---

Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

---

It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

---

Where did you see that?

---

Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

---

This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

---

Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

---

Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

---

Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

---

It's difficult to form an objective opinion without having access to and an understanding of Baylor's financials (including NIL), however, that being said, the firing of the old DC and hiring of the new one heavily implies that it's not a foregone conclusion that Dave will be fired next year. We will see how next season goes.

---

I don't think anyone thinks it's a foregone conclusion. The bar for retention will just be impossibly high given the circumstances.

There's a good chance we average less than 30,000 fans per game next season, and nothing short of a run to the Big 12 title game will get Baylor fans excited about a Dave Aranda-coached team at this point.

That's what happens when you go 22-28 with three losing seasons over a four-year period and a wholly uncompetitive 1-5 in your most recent six games. Fans give up on you and check out. And even if you follow that with "success," it won't be enough ... or even particularly celebrated. They'll just demand more.

Vibes still matter, and the powers that be at Baylor have let the vibes around our football program get way too bad.

---

Based on the sentiment in this forum, I would disagree with the first sentence, but the rest is agreeable.

---

I think most believe he will be fired because we have a six-year sample that says the guy isn't good enough. But believing he will get himself fired isn't the same as believing that he's already been fired behind the scenes.

Kevin Steele had the opportunity to save his job in 2002, and Guy Morriss had the opportunity to save his job in 2007. No one believed either was capable of actually doing so.

The sentiment is similar here with Aranda. And while the transfer portal and a new DC hire make a turnaround possible, they still don't make a substantial one likely ... because you can't hide a bad head coach.

---

that's the rub - if '21 was really just a mirage behind Rhule's players, then there's basically no chance that '26 doesn't end in Dave getting fired.

If '21 really did show real promise for Dave's HC career, then there's a fraction of a sliver of a chance we'll see a borderline miraculous turnaround in '26.

What I think has most of these folks gnashing their teeth is the idea that he'll barely make a bowl next year and yet still get retained despite cratered attendance and brand appeal.

I don't think that scenario will play out...because anything short of a miraculous turnaround is all-but-guaranteed to result in cratered attendance and brand appeal. But if it does go down that way, I'll go full-on Cyclone Larry and taze my own nuts.

---

There is almost no scenario in which Dave can recruit his way into success, nor is it realistic to expect him to develop the returning players enough to win the games necessary to save his job. Next year's team will almost certainly be worse than this year's returning less talent, less productivity, and nowhere near the level of play required to stay competitive in as many games as we were this season. We'll be fortunate to win two or three games, and Dave's tenure will come to a merciful end, likely before the end of the season

BUATX2000 said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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BBWCBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

---

Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

---

It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

---

Where did you see that?

---

Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

---

This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

---

Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

---

Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

---

Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

---

It's difficult to form an objective opinion without having access to and an understanding of Baylor's financials (including NIL), however, that being said, the firing of the old DC and hiring of the new one heavily implies that it's not a foregone conclusion that Dave will be fired next year. We will see how next season goes.

---

I don't think anyone thinks it's a foregone conclusion. The bar for retention will just be impossibly high given the circumstances.

There's a good chance we average less than 30,000 fans per game next season, and nothing short of a run to the Big 12 title game will get Baylor fans excited about a Dave Aranda-coached team at this point.

That's what happens when you go 22-28 with three losing seasons over a four-year period and a wholly uncompetitive 1-5 in your most recent six games. Fans give up on you and check out. And even if you follow that with "success," it won't be enough ... or even particularly celebrated. They'll just demand more.

Vibes still matter, and the powers that be at Baylor have let the vibes around our football program get way too bad.

---

Based on the sentiment in this forum, I would disagree with the first sentence, but the rest is agreeable.

---

I think most believe he will be fired because we have a six-year sample that says the guy isn't good enough. But believing he will get himself fired isn't the same as believing that he's already been fired behind the scenes.

Kevin Steele had the opportunity to save his job in 2002, and Guy Morriss had the opportunity to save his job in 2007. No one believed either was capable of actually doing so.

The sentiment is similar here with Aranda. And while the transfer portal and a new DC hire make a turnaround possible, they still don't make a substantial one likely ... because you can't hide a bad head coach.

---

that's the rub - if '21 was really just a mirage behind Rhule's players, then there's basically no chance that '26 doesn't end in Dave getting fired.

If '21 really did show real promise for Dave's HC career, then there's a fraction of a sliver of a chance we'll see a borderline miraculous turnaround in '26.

What I think has most of these folks gnashing their teeth is the idea that he'll barely make a bowl next year and yet still get retained despite cratered attendance and brand appeal.

I don't think that scenario will play out...because anything short of a miraculous turnaround is all-but-guaranteed to result in cratered attendance and brand appeal. But if it does go down that way, I'll go full-on Cyclone Larry and taze my own nuts.

---

There is almost no scenario in which Dave can recruit his way into success, nor is it realistic to expect him to develop the returning players enough to win the games necessary to save his job. Next year's team will almost certainly be worse than this year's returning less talent, less productivity, and nowhere near the level of play required to stay competitive in as many games as we were this season. We'll be fortunate to win two or three games, and Dave's tenure will come to a merciful end, likely before the end of the season

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I'll add "Nor is it realistic to expect him to motivate his players to run through a wet paper bag."

BUATX2000 said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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BBWCBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

---

Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

---

It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

---

Where did you see that?

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Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

---

This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

---

Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

---

Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

---

Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

---

It's difficult to form an objective opinion without having access to and an understanding of Baylor's financials (including NIL), however, that being said, the firing of the old DC and hiring of the new one heavily implies that it's not a foregone conclusion that Dave will be fired next year. We will see how next season goes.

---

I don't think anyone thinks it's a foregone conclusion. The bar for retention will just be impossibly high given the circumstances.

There's a good chance we average less than 30,000 fans per game next season, and nothing short of a run to the Big 12 title game will get Baylor fans excited about a Dave Aranda-coached team at this point.

That's what happens when you go 22-28 with three losing seasons over a four-year period and a wholly uncompetitive 1-5 in your most recent six games. Fans give up on you and check out. And even if you follow that with "success," it won't be enough ... or even particularly celebrated. They'll just demand more.

Vibes still matter, and the powers that be at Baylor have let the vibes around our football program get way too bad.

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Based on the sentiment in this forum, I would disagree with the first sentence, but the rest is agreeable.

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I think most believe he will be fired because we have a six-year sample that says the guy isn't good enough. But believing he will get himself fired isn't the same as believing that he's already been fired behind the scenes.

Kevin Steele had the opportunity to save his job in 2002, and Guy Morriss had the opportunity to save his job in 2007. No one believed either was capable of actually doing so.

The sentiment is similar here with Aranda. And while the transfer portal and a new DC hire make a turnaround possible, they still don't make a substantial one likely ... because you can't hide a bad head coach.

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that's the rub - if '21 was really just a mirage behind Rhule's players, then there's basically no chance that '26 doesn't end in Dave getting fired.

If '21 really did show real promise for Dave's HC career, then there's a fraction of a sliver of a chance we'll see a borderline miraculous turnaround in '26.

What I think has most of these folks gnashing their teeth is the idea that he'll barely make a bowl next year and yet still get retained despite cratered attendance and brand appeal.

I don't think that scenario will play out...because anything short of a miraculous turnaround is all-but-guaranteed to result in cratered attendance and brand appeal. But if it does go down that way, I'll go full-on Cyclone Larry and taze my own nuts.

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There is almost no scenario in which Dave can recruit his way into success, nor is it realistic to expect him to develop the returning players enough to win the games necessary to save his job. Next year's team will almost certainly be worse than this year's returning less talent, less productivity, and nowhere near the level of play required to stay competitive in as many games as we were this season. We'll be fortunate to win two or three games, and Dave's tenure will come to a merciful end, likely before the end of the season

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Pretty sad when that looks right now as the best-case scenario.

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

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Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

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It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

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Where did you see that?

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Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

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This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

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Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

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Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

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Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

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It's difficult to form an objective opinion without having access to and an understanding of Baylor's financials (including NIL), however, that being said, the firing of the old DC and hiring of the new one heavily implies that it's not a foregone conclusion that Dave will be fired next year. We will see how next season goes.

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I don't think anyone thinks it's a foregone conclusion. The bar for retention will just be impossibly high given the circumstances.

There's a good chance we average less than 30,000 fans per game next season, and nothing short of a run to the Big 12 title game will get Baylor fans excited about a Dave Aranda-coached team at this point.

That's what happens when you go 22-28 with three losing seasons over a four-year period and a wholly uncompetitive 1-5 in your most recent six games. Fans give up on you and check out. And even if you follow that with "success," it won't be enough ... or even particularly celebrated. They'll just demand more.

Vibes still matter, and the powers that be at Baylor have let the vibes around our football program get way too bad.

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Based on the sentiment in this forum, I would disagree with the first sentence, but the rest is agreeable.

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I think most believe he will be fired because we have a six-year sample that says the guy isn't good enough. But believing he will get himself fired isn't the same as believing that he's already been fired behind the scenes.

Kevin Steele had the opportunity to save his job in 2002, and Guy Morriss had the opportunity to save his job in 2007. No one believed either was capable of actually doing so.

The sentiment is similar here with Aranda. And while the transfer portal and a new DC hire make a turnaround possible, they still don't make a substantial one likely ... because you can't hide a bad head coach.

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that's the rub - if '21 was really just a mirage behind Rhule's players, then there's basically no chance that '26 doesn't end in Dave getting fired.

If '21 really did show real promise for Dave's HC career, then there's a fraction of a sliver of a chance we'll see a borderline miraculous turnaround in '26.

What I think has most of these folks gnashing their teeth is the idea that he'll barely make a bowl next year and yet still get retained despite cratered attendance and brand appeal.

I don't think that scenario will play out...because anything short of a miraculous turnaround is all-but-guaranteed to result in cratered attendance and brand appeal. But if it does go down that way, I'll go full-on Cyclone Larry and taze my own nuts.

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There is almost no scenario in which Dave can recruit his way into success, nor is it realistic to expect him to develop the returning players enough to win the games necessary to save his job. Next year's team will almost certainly be worse than this year's returning less talent, less productivity, and nowhere near the level of play required to stay competitive in as many games as we were this season. We'll be fortunate to win two or three games, and Dave's tenure will come to a merciful end, likely before the end of the season

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Pretty sad when that looks right now as the best-case scenario.

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Does DA strike you as a guy that can turn around a program in a year?

With a new, let's see, DC, Oline coach, AND D Line coach....

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Pretty sad when that looks right now as the best-case scenario.

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Does DA strike you as a guy that can turn around a program in a year?

With a new, let's see, DC, Oline coach, AND D Line coach....

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Oh definitely not.

Baylor's best season of all time, 2021, happened after Dave replaced nearly his whole offensive staff including the OC, OL and WR coaches. But all that success was fully in spite of Dave. The season was a 1-of-1 unrepeatable miracle.

Can't believe the fools in charge would even pretend there was a chance it could happen again and risk wasting one dime on this loser and his staff, even if that show of support would definitely help sell the job to the next coach when Dave flops. FIRE DAVE NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!