bear2be2 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

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Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

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It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

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Where did you see that?

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Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

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This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

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Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

Aranda was not getting fired before next season.

This seems like a really good quality hire for the situation Baylor is in right now. They were fortunate to get him.

If your last two jobs were Kansas St and North Dakota St you now how to operate with a less as more mentality in terms of recruits. Until Baylor gets its talent and numbers up this should be at least a decent hire. The best game we played on defense was UCF where we ran a 4-2-5 almost the entire game. Our roster is likely more conducive to this anyway. We have more edge players than true defensive lineman.

This is only correct if Linda and whoever made it clear Dave was staying when the new AD was hired. If Linda told him he can fire Dave if need be and he still chose to keep him then I see a huge issue with that. Obviously will never know whether that was an option or not. So it's safe to say Dave's job was safe regardless.

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Aranda was not getting fired before next season.

This seems like a really good quality hire for the situation Baylor is in right now. They were fortunate to get him.

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We need 7 years to know that a coach sucks. Got it. Does Klanderman get 3 years as coordinator? Will he be here with the next coach? Or does Aranda get a 2 year extension so Klanderman can get his guys in?

Poor little Baylor is lucky to get anybody to come to this dumpster fire of a program.

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

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Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

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It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

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Where did you see that?

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Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as the school’s new defensive coordinator. He’s spent the last seven years at Kansas State, including the last six as the defensive coordinator. He coordinated the defense on Kansas State’s Big 12 title team in 2022. pic.twitter.com/ZVh7TRDxIe

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) December 11, 2025

Not the big time hire we were expecting. What happened with Linguist?

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Who was expecting a big-time hire? This is a lame duck staff that is almost certainly going to be replaced after next season.

This is actually a pretty solid hire given the circumstances.

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Agreed. Good hire. I like it.

Well done, Sleepy Dave.

Baylorbears111 said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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Aranda was not getting fired before next season.

This seems like a really good quality hire for the situation Baylor is in right now. They were fortunate to get him.

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We need 7 years to know that a coach sucks. Got it. Does Klanderman get 3 years as coordinator? Will he be here with the next coach? Or does Aranda get a 2 year extension so Klanderman can get his guys in?

Poor little Baylor is lucky to get anybody to come to this dumpster fire of a program.

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I'm sure Klanderman is coming here knowing the layout. It's basically a one year thing, most likely. He has a chance to show his stuff fixing a horrible Defense, then see about next year.

Aranda will mostly likely not be here past 2026 if we have a similar season to 2025. Perhaps Klanderman can be a candidate to take over. It was an opportunity for both sides. It's the nature of the business.

The weirdness continues! Really thought the smoke around Mo was real, but Klanderman has a solid background the rest of our staff can respect, he's got great experience in our areas of need (Safety and DL), and one of his apparent strengths is one of our current weaknesses.

This seems like a good hire.

K-State was No. 8 in the country in turnover margin this season, fourth in takeaways. From 2022-25, K-State was one of top takeaway teams in the country. I'll have Klanderman on the show very soon. https://t.co/2QYp9tzqEC

— Matt Mosley (@mattmosley) December 11, 2025

It's someone with DC experience at a high level, as good a hire as we can get under the circumstances.

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It's someone with DC experience at a high level, as good a hire as we can get under the circumstances.

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if Klieman hadn't of retired, he wouldn't be available. This has the chance to be a great hire - if he, Dave and the rest of the staff gel, we'll be in a very different place vibes-wise by this time next season.

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Bearknuckle said:

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It's someone with DC experience at a high level, as good a hire as we can get under the circumstances.

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if Klieman hadn't of retired, he wouldn't be available. This has the chance to be a great hire - if he, Dave and the rest of the staff gel, we'll be in a very different place vibes-wise by this time next season.

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You have said the same stuff about DA's last 5 hirings

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I'm thinking a lot depends on Aranda letting his coordnators coordinate their own style without meddling and mucking it up.

Maybe he has finally submitted that he has to do this.

Not sure how it's going to turn out this time, but it likely won't be worse.

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Bearknuckle said:

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It's someone with DC experience at a high level, as good a hire as we can get under the circumstances.

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if Klieman hadn't of retired, he wouldn't be available. This has the chance to be a great hire - if he, Dave and the rest of the staff gel, we'll be in a very different place vibes-wise by this time next season.

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You have said the same stuff about DA's last 5 hirings

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That's true!
I had high hopes for Nokes & Miller for sure, and they didn't work out.

Gonzales has been a great hire so far - our CBs were not a weakness this season - big turnaround there.

Khenon Hall has been a great hire.

Spav had a rough go of it this past season but I still think he'll turn it around next season and bear out as a great hire.

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

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Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

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It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

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Where did you see that?

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Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

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This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

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Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

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Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

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This is only correct if Linda and whoever made it clear Dave was staying when the new AD was hired. If Linda told him he can fire Dave if need be and he still chose to keep him then I see a huge issue with that. Obviously will never know whether that was an option or not. So it's safe to say Dave's job was safe regardless.

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firing Dave now makes a throwing Linda under the bus. The new AD isn't going to do that.

Barring a really impressive start to next season, I expect to see the job open in October of next year.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

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Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

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It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

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Where did you see that?

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Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

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This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

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Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

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Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

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Your reality is that Baylor's football program is a corpse and the admin is run by bunch of spineless sycophants.

Apparently, there is no one running this show and therefore no one is responsible for the outcomes we have seen.

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This is only correct if Linda and whoever made it clear Dave was staying when the new AD was hired. If Linda told him he can fire Dave if need be and he still chose to keep him then I see a huge issue with that. Obviously will never know whether that was an option or not. So it's safe to say Dave's job was safe regardless.

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firing Dave now makes a throwing Linda under the bus. The new AD isn't going to do that.

Barring a really impressive start to next season, I expect to see the job open in October of next year.

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Linda put herself in that position with that letter, which still left the door open for the AD to make a decision. So either the AD has made a decision and is responsible for it or as you say there was no decision for the AD to make, the decision to retain Aranda had already been made before the hiring and therefore Livingstone lied.

There is zero trust and credibility with this admin and Doug is no better than Mack.

People seriously thinking a coach viewed as a lame duck by a large portion of the industry is going to attract a high quality candidate? Money doesn't matter there because of stability. The hire was always going to be someone looking for a job. Klanderman has a solid resume. He's adjusted his defense to fit personnel and opposing offenses. For our current situation this was a very good hire.

I would imagine Buddy Wyatt or Kaeron Johnson is next or Both

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People seriously thinking a coach viewed as a lame duck by a large portion of the industry is going to attract a high quality candidate? Money doesn't matter there because of stability. The hire was always going to be someone looking for a job. Klanderman has a solid resume. He's adjusted his defense to fit personnel and opposing offenses. For our current situation this was a very good hire.

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agreed.

if not for Klieman's unexpected retirement, Klanderman would not have been looking for a job...and it's not clear that Colin Klein was planning on forcing him out.

Seems to me like it says something about the commitment to the program that Doug is demonstrating in public and behind the scenes, if Klanderman felt comfortable taking this gig in this situation...as it's hard to believe he had no other options to coach in '26.

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Baylorbears111 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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IowaBear said:

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This is only correct if Linda and whoever made it clear Dave was staying when the new AD was hired. If Linda told him he can fire Dave if need be and he still chose to keep him then I see a huge issue with that. Obviously will never know whether that was an option or not. So it's safe to say Dave's job was safe regardless.

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firing Dave now makes a throwing Linda under the bus. The new AD isn't going to do that.

Barring a really impressive start to next season, I expect to see the job open in October of next year.

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Linda put herself in that position with that letter, which still left the door open for the AD to make a decision. So either the AD has made a decision and is responsible for it or as you say there was no decision for the AD to make, the decision to retain Aranda had already been made before the hiring and therefore Livingstone lied.

There is zero trust and credibility with this admin and Doug is no better than Mack.

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Step back from the ledge. Mack put us in a terrible situation and his selfish and stupid actions bought DA yet another chance. A chance I strongly suspect he will have squandered by mid season next year. At that time we will have a better idea of how good our AD is. As far as I can tell, he is BU through and through so lets give him a chance.

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Did he? Mack didn't fire Dave in 2023, 2204, or 2025. But Mack also isn't here anymore, Doug is. If it is Doug's call, why is Aranda still here? If it is the Presidents call, why is Dave still here?

We can have a new coach by January. There are better options today. Why have we committed to another year of Dave?

Baylorbears111 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

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Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

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It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

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Where did you see that?

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Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

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This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

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Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

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Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

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Your reality is that Baylor's football program is a corpse and the admin is run by bunch of spineless sycophants.

Apparently, there is no one running this show and therefore no one is responsible for the outcomes we have seen.

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Yes, you're exactly right. You should send the new guy your resume or, scream into your pillow each night until the program is turned around.

Is Klanderman head coach material?

Yes I'm holding out hope.

Baylorbears111 said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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IowaBear said:

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This is only correct if Linda and whoever made it clear Dave was staying when the new AD was hired. If Linda told him he can fire Dave if need be and he still chose to keep him then I see a huge issue with that. Obviously will never know whether that was an option or not. So it's safe to say Dave's job was safe regardless.

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firing Dave now makes a throwing Linda under the bus. The new AD isn't going to do that.

Barring a really impressive start to next season, I expect to see the job open in October of next year.

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Linda put herself in that position with that letter, which still left the door open for the AD to make a decision. So either the AD has made a decision and is responsible for it or as you say there was no decision for the AD to make, the decision to retain Aranda had already been made before the hiring and therefore Livingstone lied.

There is zero trust and credibility with this admin and Doug is no better than Mack.

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Step back from the ledge. Mack put us in a terrible situation and his selfish and stupid actions bought DA yet another chance. A chance I strongly suspect he will have squandered by mid season next year. At that time we will have a better idea of how good our AD is. As far as I can tell, he is BU through and through so lets give him a chance.

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Did he? Mack didn't fire Dave in 2023, 2204, or 2025. But Mack also isn't here anymore, Doug is. If it is Doug's call, why is Aranda still here? If it is the Presidents call, why is Dave still here?

We can have a new coach by January. There are better options today. Why have we committed to another year of Dave?

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If I'm not mistaken Linda is the AD's boss and she laid out the timeline. You can be angry at her if you disagree with that decision. I'm not happy with it either if it make you feel any better. In my book DA would have been fired after we lost at home to Texas State.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

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Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

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It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

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Where did you see that?

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Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

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This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

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Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

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Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

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Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

BBWCBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

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Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

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It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

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Where did you see that?

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Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

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This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

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Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

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Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

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Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

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If money has been so paramount, why has DA allowed to run through assistant coaches? Arent hirings and buyouts expensive?

This day and age a good number of HCs are lame ducks whether they feel heat today or not. Including some playing in the play offs or major bowls. It's a weird era.

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BBWCBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bandito said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

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Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

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It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

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Where did you see that?

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Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

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This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

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Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

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Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

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Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

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If money has been so paramount, why has DA allowed to run through assistant coaches? Arent hirings and buyouts expensive?

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Money has been discussed on every level on multiple threads. Assistants- Scapegoats (pretty sure their contracts are short term in some nature), money has been an issue or else Yoda would be gone now. Many BMD's have expressed BU is "#1" and move along. The new AD's principal responsibility is finding access to money, rekindle BMD relationships, uncovering new means of acquiring money from non-traditional sources. All that said, IMO, a seven win season brings Yoda back beyond "26. BMD's "let the contract run out, don't want to burn good money after bad money".

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

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Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

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It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

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Where did you see that?

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Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

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This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

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Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

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Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

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Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

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Bite your tongue

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so i've obviously followed klanderman through his years at k-state. he runs an attacking style. loves to blitz. loves to play man. runs a four man front. emphasizes turnovers. cats finished 11th in scoring defense this past season. led the league in turnovers, third nationally.

klanderman is a good dude. a family man. four children. worked his way up after playing at minnesota state, where he coached for ten years before joining klieman at north dakota state in 2014. came to manhattan with him in 2018 and was named d'coordinator in 2019.

i don't think he's the next jim knowles. but i find him competent and growing in his job. could be a head coach someday. he's likable. no nonsense. high character.

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Does he show emotion on the sideline? If so, he may not be a good fit here.

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Did he? Mack didn't fire Dave in 2023, 2204, or 2025. But Mack also isn't here anymore, Doug is. If it is Doug's call, why is Aranda still here? If it is the Presidents call, why is Dave still here?

We can have a new coach by January. There are better options today. Why have we committed to another year of Dave?

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This entire fiasco comes from not firing Mack when he got into a scuffle on the sidelines with assistants and players and families. There was the absolutely perfect opportunity. I listening to Linda's observation she has been very supportive of Mack since his dismissal. I think that's a great show of compassion.

Where I differ is the letter Linda never should have written concerning Dave. You correctly say if it's Doug's call, why is Aranda still here? The obvious answer is Linda hamstrung Doug probably because of lack of donor support to pay off Dave.

A bigger question now is Rhoades status. Did he "resign" or was he "fired". It probably makes a big difference in future, if any, payments to him.

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I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal move, especially if the powers agree that Dave's a short termer. Their not going to invest much on a sinking ship.

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Agree but internal moves are sinking the ship.

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It looks like we are getting the K-State DC. At least it's a professional, experienced guy. Don't know much about K-State defense but they didn't exactly stand out this season as an elite squad.

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Where did you see that?

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Sources: Baylor is finalizing a deal to hire Joe Klanderman as... - ESPN

I guess we are permanently stuck with Dave. New AD sucks and has no spine for doing the necessary thing. Admin can enjoy there empty stadium next year as they try to fix everything but the problem.

We will get relegated in 2031 for our reckless decade long commitment to this bum.

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This isn't on the AD. The decision to keep Dave was made before McNamee arrived and above his head.

That you had convinced yourself that there was even a remote chance that Dave was going to be fired after Linda's announcement doesn't mean that was ever really an option.

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Fire Linda. Fire Doug. Fire Dave.

We have an admin that seems live in a quantum state of being both accountable and not accountable. Supposedly, nobody is responsible for the state of the program and canning Dave and everyone else is.

Livingstone the president is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The AD is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program. The football head coach is both responsible and not responsible for the state of the football program.

Linda put herself out there with her comments but left the door open for when we got an AD. We have an AD now who looks like an admin stooge, but let's give him a chance. He has decided to retain Dave and destroy the program.

Enjoy our conference games with Rice and UTSA. Where it somehow will be and won't be the fault of the coach, ad, and president.

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Fire Linda. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Doug. NOT HAPPENING
Fire Dave. WAIT 9 MONTHS

I'm not happy with the current situation but, I do try to live in reality.

Thanks for the reminder that "fan" is short for "fanatic"

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Paraphrasing here, Livingston- "The HC will be here in '26", new AD- " I can and will be working with Aranda"

Question for anyone: With the hiring of DC Klanderman... MONEY being a paramount issue with BU, if Klanderman can shore up the defense to be "competitive" along with Spav helping to generate a 7/SEVEN win season, could Yoda return after '26? Barely Bowl eligible, but would that appease all but the fans?

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If money has been so paramount, why has DA allowed to run through assistant coaches? Arent hirings and buyouts expensive?

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I think the ones that have left this year other than Miller left to take other jobs...they may have been persuaded to start looking....but I don't think they were technically "let go."

I'm guessing with Miller with whatever happened he voluntarily walked away.

I already like him based on what you posted. If I were him I'd rent rather than buy in Waco until the dust settles after the first three or four games. Surly Dave will be gone by then. I do not see anyway Klanderman can provide miracles with the D talent he will have on hand in 2026. Especially if incompetent Dave is meddling in D calls.