College Athletics Is Running Out Of Time

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Jacques Strap
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boognish_bear said:




That is a nice sentiment but just as Baylor pays lower-level teams to play us the B1G would just pay teams like Baylor to go to their house and take the L.
blackie
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Jacques Strap said:

boognish_bear said:




That is a nice sentiment but just as Baylor pays lower-level teams to play us the B1G would just pay teams like Baylor to go to their house and take the L.

But isn't that his point....that teams like Baylor would not play the B1G...at Baylor's choice. Whether Baylor would be playing lower level teams would be up to those lower level teams. If you are going to be relegated to second tier because you don't have tens of millions of dollars to throw away trying to buy championships, it would be stupid to feed the beast.....to not only to be relegated to second tier, but also to watch others just laugh at you because you couldn't or more appropriately would not buy into this insanity and would be coming to them on your knees begging for scraps. Take your second tier along with the majority of everyone else and put some sanity back into this fiasco.
Thee University
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Tempus Edax Rerum said:

I don't really care that much anymore. Once Baylor fired CAB, I quit giving a damn.

Sorry I missed this comment so long ago.

This is a perfect example of another killer of college athletics. We now have spoon-fed, soccer-mom-led, juice box-guzzling, everybody-gets-a-trophy fans. If results or changes don't suit them then they turn into the snot-nosed little rich runt who takes his ball and runs on home to momma crying. Everybody pays a price.

$$$$ is the evil issue.

The game of football, basketball, baseball, etc. have all been tainted and are now a direct reflection of our sad society that continues to slip backwards by allowing the quest for $$$$ no matter what principles are destroyed and trampled under.

Jack Bauer
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Speaking of running out of time..

cowboycwr
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Jack Bauer said:

Speaking of running out of time..




Two out of shape guys fighting….. and people pay money for this??

Plus why did JM look like he had a tumor sticking out of his chest/stomach at the start of that video? It did not look normal.
Jack Bauer
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It's an arms race, baby, and BU does not have the $$$ to keep up...

Texas will build one bigger, then Ohio State, then Florida, then Texas A&M, then Michigan, then Notre Dame, then LSU....rinse and repeat.

Jack Bauer
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That is a couple of tennis program budgets right there..

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cowboycwr
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Jack Bauer said:




Lol. Like he has any room to talk.

He is just stuck in the past where it was just which teams could spend a lot behind closed doors, use their name and prestige, and get ESPN to push for them.

Those days are gone.

And good riddance. It should not matter how many titles you won in the past. It should matter what is happening during the current season.
tmcats
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my sense is that we have not yet reach the chaos point that brings fundamental change. most athletic programs are still able to fund their activities at current levels. when it gets so expensive that schools like ours say "enough!" and eliminate sports other than football and mbb, or simply drop out, i don't see a meaningful change happening.

democrats are not willing to vote for anything they sense will offend their core constituency, black americans, nor their benefactors, trial lawyers. these efforts at the congressional level need democrat support to become law.
Jack Bauer
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tmcats said:

my sense is that we have not yet reach the chaos point that brings fundamental change. most athletic programs are still able to fund their activities at current levels. when it gets so expensive that schools like ours say "enough!" and eliminate sports other than football and mbb, or simply drop out, i don't see a meaningful change happening.

democrats are not willing to vote for anything they sense will offend their core constituency, black americans, nor their benefactors, trial lawyers. these efforts at the congressional level need democrat support to become law.


Thats quite a can of worms seeing that you have to have 15 sports to be D1 NCAA.
tmcats
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Jack Bauer said:

tmcats said:

my sense is that we have not yet reach the chaos point that brings fundamental change. most athletic programs are still able to fund their activities at current levels. when it gets so expensive that schools like ours say "enough!" and eliminate sports other than football and mbb, or simply drop out, i don't see a meaningful change happening.

democrats are not willing to vote for anything they sense will offend their core constituency, black americans, nor their benefactors, trial lawyers. these efforts at the congressional level need democrat support to become law.


Thats quite a can of worms seeing that you have to have 15 sports to be D1 NCAA.

yes. that's how many k-state has and the only public b12 school in the black - not sure about baylor. but others will quickly be at 16 if this continues.






Thee University
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Private School Conference

You could build a great conference out of these universities.

South Division

Baylor
TCU
Rice
SMU
Tulsa
USC
Miami
Tulane
Vanderbilt
Stanford



North Division

Villanova
Boston U
Boston College
Wake Forest
Georgetown
Notre Dame
Northwestern
Princeton
Duke
BYU


Jack Bauer
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I found this:

  • Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS):
    • Minimum of 16 sports in total.
    • At least 6 sports must involve all-male teams or mixed teams of males and females.
    • At least 8 sports must involve all-female teams (including a maximum of 2 "emerging sports" such as esports or adaptive sports).
    • One of the sponsored sports must be football NCAA.org.
If we have to cut programs, it wo9uld have to be tennis despite our historical success. After that, maybe golf.

I could see Tennis and Golf moving to club level for the non-blue blood schools if this pattern continues.
nachothrasher
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Here's an idea on "saving" college athletics...

All players must meet the same entrance requirements as the rest of the student body
All players MUST sit out their freshman year and simply go to class in order to play as a sophomore.
All athletes lose the ability to play after attending college for 5 year

Why?

Because we can just kick it back to the days of "student athlete"

NIL? Okay, sure. Go get some, kid


All Division 1 NCAA TV/Internet broadcast funds go into one pot and get split equally among all Division 1 schools. Each school can spend it however they want.

Each school keeps their own ticket sales (split with who ever they play).

Each school keeps their own merchandising.





Jacques Strap
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Jack Bauer said:

It's an arms race, baby, and BU does not have the $$$ to keep up...

Texas will build one bigger, then Ohio State, then Florida, then Texas A&M, then Michigan, then Notre Dame, then LSU....rinse and repeat.



Meanwhile also at U of Oregon...

Declining enrollment, higher costs, lost grants blamed for UO's $65M budget shortfall

Quote:

EUGENE, Ore. The $65 million budget shortfall at the University of Oregon was a major topic at Monday's Board of Trustees meeting.

The shortfall is being blamed on several factors including declining enrollment, increased costs, and a loss in grant funding.

blackie
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Thee University said:

Private School Conference

You could build a great conference out of these universities.

South Division

Baylor
TCU
Rice
SMU
Tulsa
USC
Miami
Tulane
Vanderbilt
Stanford



North Division

Villanova
Boston U
Boston College
Wake Forest
Georgetown
Notre Dame
Northwestern
Princeton
Duke
BYU




You might could, but you would have a hard time convincing some of those schools that they wouldn't compete with the "big boys" and would look down on being in such a conference.

My only real source is the DMN, but even SMU has convinced itself they have the resources to compete with any of them....any of them....and they seem to have the big cigars to more than give it a try.
Thee University
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blackie said:

Thee University said:

Private School Conference

You could build a great conference out of these universities.

South Division

Baylor
TCU
Rice
SMU
Tulsa
USC
Miami
Tulane
Vanderbilt
Stanford



North Division

Villanova
Boston U
Boston College
Wake Forest
Georgetown
Notre Dame
Northwestern
Princeton
Duke
BYU




You might could, but you would have a hard time convincing some of those schools that they wouldn't compete with the "big boys" and would look down on being in such a conference.

My only real source is the DMN, but even SMU has convinced itself they have the resources to compete with any of them....any of them....and they seem to have the big cigars to more than give it a try.

Understood. Pride & ego rise up and convince those fat cigars to keep throwing good money away. SMU is 552-572-54. That dawg won't hunt in the new landscape forming up. And they have a black eye from their Death Penalty days and still are only a .469 program.

SMU is delusional. They can dress themselves up, spend all kinds of $$$ on their program and they are still SMU, a cheater. Most private schools are in similar boats with the exceptions of Notre Dame (.733 all time), USC(.694), Miami (.633 all time), BYU (.586 all time), Stanford (.566), TCU (.545), Baylor .509), Duke (.496), etc. About 7 or 8 of the schools I listed are below .500 programs.

I contend that many if not the majority of the Presidents of these Private Institutions are scared ____less of what college football and basketball have become and don't want to pay the exorbitant price just to field a roster of kids who are not loyal to the school, won't go to class and generally taint the reputations of the university. Call me old fashioned (or crazy/delusional) but I believe a large number of these Private Schools can break away and retool their athletic programs to return back to the original intention of college athletics.

1.6% of college football players make it to the NFL. Better yet…..over 70,000 student athletes compete in D1 football. The NFL draft takes 300-350 players each year. That's .4 to .5% of D1 college football players. Factor in injury risk, competition, performance expectations and academic pressures while in college and that dream of $$$ has a much better chance of coming true by studying more and playing less.

Market the private school education for what it is. Market the private school education as a solid investment in the kid's long-term future. Wake the parents of these kids (mamas) up to the facts.
Jack Bauer
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BEAR 45
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Thee University said:

blackie said:

Thee University said:

Private School Conference

You could build a great conference out of these universities.

South Division

Baylor
TCU
Rice
SMU
Tulsa
USC
Miami
Tulane
Vanderbilt
Stanford



North Division

Villanova
Boston U
Boston College
Wake Forest
Georgetown
Notre Dame
Northwestern
Princeton
Duke
BYU




You might could, but you would have a hard time convincing some of those schools that they wouldn't compete with the "big boys" and would look down on being in such a conference.

My only real source is the DMN, but even SMU has convinced itself they have the resources to compete with any of them....any of them....and they seem to have the big cigars to more than give it a try.

Understood. Pride & ego rise up and convince those fat cigars to keep throwing good money away. SMU is 552-572-54. That dawg won't hunt in the new landscape forming up. And they have a black eye from their Death Penalty days and still are only a .469 program.

SMU is delusional. They can dress themselves up, spend all kinds of $$$ on their program and they are still SMU, a cheater. Most private schools are in similar boats with the exceptions of Notre Dame (.733 all time), USC(.694), Miami (.633 all time), BYU (.586 all time), Stanford (.566), TCU (.545), Baylor .509), Duke (.496), etc. About 7 or 8 of the schools I listed are below .500 programs.

I contend that many if not the majority of the Presidents of these Private Institutions are scared ____less of what college football and basketball have become and don't want to pay the exorbitant price just to field a roster of kids who are not loyal to the school, won't go to class and generally taint the reputations of the university. Call me old fashioned (or crazy/delusional) but I believe a large number of these Private Schools can break away and retool their athletic programs to return back to the original intention of college athletics.

1.6% of college football players make it to the NFL. Better yet…..over 70,000 student athletes compete in D1 football. The NFL draft takes 300-350 players each year. That's .4 to .5% of D1 college football players. Factor in injury risk, competition, performance expectations and academic pressures while in college and that dream of $$$ has a much better chance of coming true by studying more and playing less.

Market the private school education for what it is. Market the private school education as a solid investment in the kid's long-term future. Wake the parents of these kids (mamas) up to the facts.

You picked the right word "delusional" . Notre Dame, USC , and Miami and maybe BYU would be the only serious draw for broadcast rights for this conference and three of the four mentioned will NEVER join anything like this. Notre Dame won't even join a conference now when they could easily join the big 10 or SEC. They bring in more money now than they would with either current options. The other schools for this conference don't bring in enough viewership for networks to even care . It would not be a competitive conference either,
 
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