Art Briles ENMU super thread

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C. Jordan
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PaperBear89 said:

guadalupeoso said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).


I agree with you, but for a different reason: As much as people think Art would have been eternally at Baylor, he was at least poking a foot out the door. If it wasn't burnt orange that he would have been wearing by about 2017, it would have been an SEC school.

The reports I read mentioned that Briles was ready to go to UT. They just didn't meet his terms.
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C. Jordan said:

PaperBear89 said:

guadalupeoso said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).


I agree with you, but for a different reason: As much as people think Art would have been eternally at Baylor, he was at least poking a foot out the door. If it wasn't burnt orange that he would have been wearing by about 2017, it would have been an SEC school.

The reports I read mentioned that Briles was ready to go to UT. They just didn't meet his terms.


Would not be accurate to say he was "100% ready to go"…and ut-Austin never made an offer to him so there were no "terms" at all yet. They wanted to meet him and negotiate possible terms.

[Before the Alamo Bowl that season, longtime head coach Mack Brown announced that he would resign after a legendary run, which included 158-48 record (98-33 in Big 12 play) over his 16 seasons in Austin and a national championship in 2005. They lost the bowl game 30-7 against Oregon, but all the focus was on the future. No matter who the Longhorns hired, that coach was going to have some massive shoes to fill.…

Honestly, if we had won that game, it might have come to fruition," Briles said. "But I just had all these guys that had come up with us and made the journey to where we were at. Honestly, at that time, I felt like I would have been betraying them and the university.

"Beacuse we had beaten them in '10, '11, and '13. We had beaten them three out of the last four years… It could have gotten real real but I never let it get there. They wanted to come out to Arizona and meet with me after the game and all that stuff. I just said no. It wasn't right, it wasn't the right time."

To say that the Longhorns dodged a bullet in this situation would be a massive understatement. Yes, Briles enjoyed success at Baylor, putting together a 65-37 (39-30 in Big 12 play) with four top-15 finishes in his final five seasons. He also won back-to-back Big 12 titles in 2013 and 2014 - though Baylor split the 2014 title with TCU, which ultimately kept them both out of the inaugural College Football Playoff.

However, none of that matters in the face of the widespread sexual assault scandal that took place at Baylor during his tenure…]

https://www.si.com/college/texas/football/controversial-coach-art-briles-says-he-nearly-took-texas-longhorns-job

Robert Wilson
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C. Jordan said:

Thee University said:

Coach Grant Teaff took over a sad Baylor program that was seriously considering dropping the football program.

Prior to GT's arrival in 1972 BU had gone 17-54 overall and 10-39 in SWC play since 1965. The 3 years before GT arrived Bill Beall had gone 3-28 overall and 1-20 in conference play.

Within TWO (2) years Grant took the Bears to the Cotton Bowl and 6 years later did it again posting the first 10 win season in school history.

He did this while Darrell Royal was stockpiling talent for years down in Austin and the same thing was taking place over in College Station along with some rampant cheating.

RG3 was a Godsend. A generational player & a QB. Ours was Mike Singletary, a linebacker, which is very difficult to pull votes for the Heisman. Mike only lasted 12 years in the NFL and was a 10 time pro bowler.

Grant's teams won the conference twice outright without sharing it or hoping a team would lose.

The Baylor in the 70's and early 80's was essentially run out of a shoebox with a very limited budget. When I got there in 1977 there were still 1 gallon paint cans filled with concrete and a pipe stuck between them for weight training. Universal gyms were still in use.

The new stadium was earmarked for the Brazos River across from campus even before Baylor got into the Big 12.

I understand how you young kids adore Art. I did too until I learned a few things. GT left Baylor in great shape. I can't say that about Art.

Thee is correct. Whatever Briles inherited, Teaff had much less. Plus, Teaff was in a tougher league.

As Thee points out, Teaff saved football at BU. And, as he points out, he left BU in great shape, which Briles did not.

Grant Teaff was without question the greatest coach in BU history. It's not even close.


I'm not gonna get into a Briles / Teaff debate because I like Grant a lot and think he was great for Baylor.

But what does this have to do with the Eastern New Mexico greyhounds?
Mitch Henessey
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Two things can be true simultaneously.

1) Art Briles is one of the most brilliant offensive minds of the last 30-40 years. For me, it's probably Mike Leach/Hal Mumme and then Briles. He's also arguably the greatest coach in Baylor history. Teaff and Briles are 1a and 1b in my book.

2) Art Briles absolutely deserved to be relieved of his duties as football coach at the time that he departed from Baylor. Yes, there were incredibly stupid actions taken by the BOR, and yes, there were many others who were more to blame than Briles was. But he showed a negligence for his duties as the coach at the time. The kvetching and wailing this site does over the guy is mystifying to me. He's been gone for 10 years. I've moved on.

As for Briles, I hold no ill will towards him, and wish him nothing but success at ENM. He'll have the opportunity to simply coach football, without all the sideshow aspects that come with having a P4 job, and coaching football is all he ever wanted to do anyway.
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Mitch Henessey said:

I've moved on.

Clearly, because you jumped on a thread about Briles and the ENMU Greyhounds to post a lengthy regurgitation of your views on his firing in 2015.
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Mitch Henessey said:

Two things can be true simultaneously.

1) Art Briles is one of the most brilliant offensive minds of the last 30-40 years. For me, it's probably Mike Leach/Hal Mumme and then Briles. He's also arguably the greatest coach in Baylor history. Teaff and Briles are 1a and 1b in my book.

2) Art Briles absolutely deserved to be relieved of his duties as football coach at the time that he departed from Baylor. Yes, there were incredibly stupid actions taken by the BOR, and yes, there were many others who were more to blame than Briles was. But he showed a negligence for his duties as the coach at the time. The kvetching and wailing this site does over the guy is mystifying to me. He's been gone for 10 years. I've moved on.

As for Briles, I hold no ill will towards him, and wish him nothing but success at ENM. He'll have the opportunity to simply coach football, without all the sideshow aspects that come with having a P4 job, and coaching football is all he ever wanted to do anyway.

This is too reasonable of a take for this board.
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guadalupeoso said:

mtenery14 said:

guadalupeoso said:

Realitybites said:

guadalupeoso said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).


Bear Bryant coached during an era where you could warehouse talent to prevent other teams from signing it.

Curt Cignetti is coaching during an era where you can openly pay players.

CAB's tenure existed between these eras...and yet he took a program that was roadkill for the better part of two decades and brought it a new stadium, a heisman, and two conference championships while UT and OU were still part of it. Without a doubt the greatest coach in Baylor football history.

No one is arguing that Art Briles wasn't a great coach or the greatest in Baylor history (although I think many would still say Grant Teaff, but rationale minds can disagree on this). CAB is still not Curt Cignetti. The rules are what they are. A coach can only exist within the confines of the era they are in. The point is, Cignetti won a national championship at a dumpster fire program in year 3. Art Briles resurrected a dumpster fire program, but did not win a national championship, and even if he would have in the future, it would have been in a much different scenario by that time than what Cignetti did.

The original poster said "Indiana could have been us if we hadn't fired Briles." It literally could not have been.

Cignetti also did it during a time where he could buy a roster and turn it over quickly via the transfer portal. Had Art Briles been given much of the same opportunity to do so, there is a considerably higher chance that he would have won bigger, sooner. Briles had to build trust with a donor base, players & their families, and a reputation over the course of YEARS before Baylor was perennially in the title contention conversation.

Also, regardless of Indiana's prior lack of success, they are a much bigger school with a far larger donor base that has had success in other sports (see IU basketball). Not to take away Cignetti's accomplishment; it is amazing. Just silly to think of the comparison in this way.

I think it's silly to continuously self-flagellate ourselves over a coach who was fired 10 years ago and create revisionist history scenarios over things that literally did not happen. Again, Briles was a great coach, probably the best we've ever had and probably the most prolific offensive mind of his generation. But if the differentiating factor was Cignetti's ability to pay, then why hasn't Texas Tech (with a comparable fan base) won a national championship? I don't understand this need to defend Art Briles legacy even against reason. When the national spotlight was on us in 2013 and 2014 in the Fiesta Bowl and the Cotton Bowl, we lost both in embarrassing fashion. Again, that's not to take away from Art Briles genius or what he did for the program. But let's stop reinventing him as a shoe-in national championship coach, because he never won one and didn't come particularly close - and that's ok, a lot of brilliant, historic coaches don't.

Cignetti is a far better coach than Joey. Cignetti's ability to win FAST is a product of said coaching ability being combined with resources and tools that Briles did not have.

Simple.
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Robert Wilson said:

Mitch Henessey said:

I've moved on.

Clearly, because you jumped on a thread about Briles and the ENMU Greyhounds to post a lengthy regurgitation of your views on his firing in 2015.
3 paragraphs is lengthy?? No wonder statistics on reading have gone way down in this country...
Robert Wilson
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Mitch Henessey said:

Robert Wilson said:

Mitch Henessey said:

I've moved on.

Clearly, because you jumped on a thread about Briles and the ENMU Greyhounds to post a lengthy regurgitation of your views on his firing in 2015.

3 paragraphs is lengthy?? No wonder statistics on reading have gone way down in this country...

Would you prefer me to characterize your 3 paragraphs as a summary regurgitation? If everyone is as "over it" as you are, this thread will devolve into many pages of relitigating something that has been covered ad nauseum for years on this board, to the ultimate satisfaction of no one.

"The past is never dead. It's not even past."
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mtenery14 said:

guadalupeoso said:

mtenery14 said:

guadalupeoso said:

Realitybites said:

guadalupeoso said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).


Bear Bryant coached during an era where you could warehouse talent to prevent other teams from signing it.

Curt Cignetti is coaching during an era where you can openly pay players.

CAB's tenure existed between these eras...and yet he took a program that was roadkill for the better part of two decades and brought it a new stadium, a heisman, and two conference championships while UT and OU were still part of it. Without a doubt the greatest coach in Baylor football history.

No one is arguing that Art Briles wasn't a great coach or the greatest in Baylor history (although I think many would still say Grant Teaff, but rationale minds can disagree on this). CAB is still not Curt Cignetti. The rules are what they are. A coach can only exist within the confines of the era they are in. The point is, Cignetti won a national championship at a dumpster fire program in year 3. Art Briles resurrected a dumpster fire program, but did not win a national championship, and even if he would have in the future, it would have been in a much different scenario by that time than what Cignetti did.

The original poster said "Indiana could have been us if we hadn't fired Briles." It literally could not have been.

Cignetti also did it during a time where he could buy a roster and turn it over quickly via the transfer portal. Had Art Briles been given much of the same opportunity to do so, there is a considerably higher chance that he would have won bigger, sooner. Briles had to build trust with a donor base, players & their families, and a reputation over the course of YEARS before Baylor was perennially in the title contention conversation.

Also, regardless of Indiana's prior lack of success, they are a much bigger school with a far larger donor base that has had success in other sports (see IU basketball). Not to take away Cignetti's accomplishment; it is amazing. Just silly to think of the comparison in this way.

I think it's silly to continuously self-flagellate ourselves over a coach who was fired 10 years ago and create revisionist history scenarios over things that literally did not happen. Again, Briles was a great coach, probably the best we've ever had and probably the most prolific offensive mind of his generation. But if the differentiating factor was Cignetti's ability to pay, then why hasn't Texas Tech (with a comparable fan base) won a national championship? I don't understand this need to defend Art Briles legacy even against reason. When the national spotlight was on us in 2013 and 2014 in the Fiesta Bowl and the Cotton Bowl, we lost both in embarrassing fashion. Again, that's not to take away from Art Briles genius or what he did for the program. But let's stop reinventing him as a shoe-in national championship coach, because he never won one and didn't come particularly close - and that's ok, a lot of brilliant, historic coaches don't.

Cignetti is a far better coach than Joey. Cignetti's ability to win FAST is a product of said coaching ability being combined with resources and tools that Briles did not have.

Simple.

This is goal post moving, But nice try, Kendal.

Edit: I'll elaborate. It's goal post moving because Cignetti's ability to pay players and the transfer portal isn't an advantage he has over other programs (per se, obviously some programs have more money than others, but its relative to his fellow Big 10 competitors) - everyone has the ability to do that and is existing within the same framework (or lack of a framework). If Briles had been able to pay players back then and take advantage of the portal, so would everyone else and his ability to use those aspects would be relative to everyone else's, putting us in the same position we are now where we can't compete in the portal and spending on the roster with the likes of Texas, Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia, etc.
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Robert Wilson said:

Mitch Henessey said:

Robert Wilson said:

Mitch Henessey said:

I've moved on.

Clearly, because you jumped on a thread about Briles and the ENMU Greyhounds to post a lengthy regurgitation of your views on his firing in 2015.

3 paragraphs is lengthy?? No wonder statistics on reading have gone way down in this country...

Would you prefer me to characterize your 3 paragraphs as a summary regurgitation? If everyone is as "over it" as you are, this thread will devolve into many pages of relitigating something that has been covered ad nauseum for years on this board, to the ultimate satisfaction of no one.

"The past is never dead. It's not even past."
And to answer your question, yes, I am over his getting fired. I'll watch box scores with some interest this season, but you won't find me subscribing to a streaming service to watch games, much less pining for him like a lot of folks on this thread.
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Robert Wilson said:

C. Jordan said:

Thee University said:

Coach Grant Teaff took over a sad Baylor program that was seriously considering dropping the football program.

Prior to GT's arrival in 1972 BU had gone 17-54 overall and 10-39 in SWC play since 1965. The 3 years before GT arrived Bill Beall had gone 3-28 overall and 1-20 in conference play.

Within TWO (2) years Grant took the Bears to the Cotton Bowl and 6 years later did it again posting the first 10 win season in school history.

He did this while Darrell Royal was stockpiling talent for years down in Austin and the same thing was taking place over in College Station along with some rampant cheating.

RG3 was a Godsend. A generational player & a QB. Ours was Mike Singletary, a linebacker, which is very difficult to pull votes for the Heisman. Mike only lasted 12 years in the NFL and was a 10 time pro bowler.

Grant's teams won the conference twice outright without sharing it or hoping a team would lose.

The Baylor in the 70's and early 80's was essentially run out of a shoebox with a very limited budget. When I got there in 1977 there were still 1 gallon paint cans filled with concrete and a pipe stuck between them for weight training. Universal gyms were still in use.

The new stadium was earmarked for the Brazos River across from campus even before Baylor got into the Big 12.

I understand how you young kids adore Art. I did too until I learned a few things. GT left Baylor in great shape. I can't say that about Art.

Thee is correct. Whatever Briles inherited, Teaff had much less. Plus, Teaff was in a tougher league.

As Thee points out, Teaff saved football at BU. And, as he points out, he left BU in great shape, which Briles did not.

Grant Teaff was without question the greatest coach in BU history. It's not even close.


I'm not gonna get into a Briles / Teaff debate because I like Grant a lot and think he was great for Baylor.

But what does this have to do with the Eastern New Mexico greyhounds?

What does Eastern New Mexico have to do with Baylor? How many rodeo fans do we have on here? Sul Ross, UT Permian Basin, Western New Mexico?

Can any of the above teams beat Odessa Permian?
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Mitch Henessey said:

Robert Wilson said:

Mitch Henessey said:

I've moved on.

Clearly, because you jumped on a thread about Briles and the ENMU Greyhounds to post a lengthy regurgitation of your views on his firing in 2015.

3 paragraphs is lengthy?? No wonder statistics on reading have gone way down in this country...

Irrelevant response is irrelevant. Dodge noted.
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Mitch Henessey said:

Two things can be true simultaneously.

1) Art Briles is one of the most brilliant offensive minds of the last 30-40 years. For me, it's probably Mike Leach/Hal Mumme and then Briles. He's also arguably the greatest coach in Baylor history. Teaff and Briles are 1a and 1b in my book.

2) Art Briles absolutely deserved to be relieved of his duties as football coach at the time that he departed from Baylor. Yes, there were incredibly stupid actions taken by the BOR, and yes, there were many others who were more to blame than Briles was. But he showed a negligence for his duties as the coach at the time. The kvetching and wailing this site does over the guy is mystifying to me. He's been gone for 10 years. I've moved on.

As for Briles, I hold no ill will towards him, and wish him nothing but success at ENM. He'll have the opportunity to simply coach football, without all the sideshow aspects that come with having a P4 job, and coaching football is all he ever wanted to do anyway.

Been waiting a long time for this day. Finally, someone who can quote, verbatim, from CAB's Baylor coaching contract the duties he neglected! We unwashed outsiders wait with bated breath........
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Mitch Henessey said:

And to answer your question, yes, I am over his getting fired.

I didn't ask you that question, but that sure is a load off my mind. Thanks, Mitch.
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guadalupeoso said:

mtenery14 said:

guadalupeoso said:

mtenery14 said:

guadalupeoso said:

Realitybites said:

guadalupeoso said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).


Bear Bryant coached during an era where you could warehouse talent to prevent other teams from signing it.

Curt Cignetti is coaching during an era where you can openly pay players.

CAB's tenure existed between these eras...and yet he took a program that was roadkill for the better part of two decades and brought it a new stadium, a heisman, and two conference championships while UT and OU were still part of it. Without a doubt the greatest coach in Baylor football history.

No one is arguing that Art Briles wasn't a great coach or the greatest in Baylor history (although I think many would still say Grant Teaff, but rationale minds can disagree on this). CAB is still not Curt Cignetti. The rules are what they are. A coach can only exist within the confines of the era they are in. The point is, Cignetti won a national championship at a dumpster fire program in year 3. Art Briles resurrected a dumpster fire program, but did not win a national championship, and even if he would have in the future, it would have been in a much different scenario by that time than what Cignetti did.

The original poster said "Indiana could have been us if we hadn't fired Briles." It literally could not have been.

Cignetti also did it during a time where he could buy a roster and turn it over quickly via the transfer portal. Had Art Briles been given much of the same opportunity to do so, there is a considerably higher chance that he would have won bigger, sooner. Briles had to build trust with a donor base, players & their families, and a reputation over the course of YEARS before Baylor was perennially in the title contention conversation.

Also, regardless of Indiana's prior lack of success, they are a much bigger school with a far larger donor base that has had success in other sports (see IU basketball). Not to take away Cignetti's accomplishment; it is amazing. Just silly to think of the comparison in this way.

I think it's silly to continuously self-flagellate ourselves over a coach who was fired 10 years ago and create revisionist history scenarios over things that literally did not happen. Again, Briles was a great coach, probably the best we've ever had and probably the most prolific offensive mind of his generation. But if the differentiating factor was Cignetti's ability to pay, then why hasn't Texas Tech (with a comparable fan base) won a national championship? I don't understand this need to defend Art Briles legacy even against reason. When the national spotlight was on us in 2013 and 2014 in the Fiesta Bowl and the Cotton Bowl, we lost both in embarrassing fashion. Again, that's not to take away from Art Briles genius or what he did for the program. But let's stop reinventing him as a shoe-in national championship coach, because he never won one and didn't come particularly close - and that's ok, a lot of brilliant, historic coaches don't.

Cignetti is a far better coach than Joey. Cignetti's ability to win FAST is a product of said coaching ability being combined with resources and tools that Briles did not have.

Simple.

This is goal post moving, But nice try, Kendal.

Edit: I'll elaborate. It's goal post moving because Cignetti's ability to pay players and the transfer portal isn't an advantage he has over other programs (per se, obviously some programs have more money than others, but its relative to his fellow Big 10 competitors) - everyone has the ability to do that and is existing within the same framework (or lack of a framework). If Briles had been able to pay players back then and take advantage of the portal, so would everyone else and his ability to use those aspects would be relative to everyone else's, putting us in the same position we are now where we can't compete in the portal and spending on the roster with the likes of Texas, Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia, etc.


I literally said that Cignetti's ability to win fast (not win period) has everything to do with his ability to piece together a roster in the modern college football era in tandem with his coaching ability. Had he been present at Indiana in Briles' era, he wouldn't have done it in three seasons, but I didn't say he wouldn't have done it at all.

Had Briles had the means of piecing together a roster with checks and the portal, he likely would have started winning big sooner than he did. And the fact that in his fourth season he took a dead program, won ten games and a Heisman while doing nothing but recruit the old-fashioned way…that's what I'm comparing.

Being able to bring your dudes from your previous school and them not have to sit out for a year, look for key pieces in the portal and write the biggest check if you want them bad enough, while technically is something afforded to every program, it isn't just some equal footing that suddenly every program is on.
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guadalupeoso said:

Mitch Henessey said:

Two things can be true simultaneously.

1) Art Briles is one of the most brilliant offensive minds of the last 30-40 years. For me, it's probably Mike Leach/Hal Mumme and then Briles. He's also arguably the greatest coach in Baylor history. Teaff and Briles are 1a and 1b in my book.

2) Art Briles absolutely deserved to be relieved of his duties as football coach at the time that he departed from Baylor. Yes, there were incredibly stupid actions taken by the BOR, and yes, there were many others who were more to blame than Briles was. But he showed a negligence for his duties as the coach at the time. The kvetching and wailing this site does over the guy is mystifying to me. He's been gone for 10 years. I've moved on.

As for Briles, I hold no ill will towards him, and wish him nothing but success at ENM. He'll have the opportunity to simply coach football, without all the sideshow aspects that come with having a P4 job, and coaching football is all he ever wanted to do anyway.

This is too reasonable of a take for this board.


No, I would say it's just about right

I agree with the post and think about 85%-90% of Baylor fans agree

The ultra minority 10%-15% fall into the two camps of "Briles did nothing wrong ever" and "the Regents/Baylor admins did nothing wrong and any criticism of them is a attack on Baylor, and Briles is the wolf who harmed innocent BU"

The majority of Baylor fans are very rational about what went on and wish Briles nothing but the best re-building his career and reputation
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10+ years and the self flagellation crew is still soaping it up! Good grief boys, quit spanking your monkeys!

Blame these yahoos in this order:

#1. Ken Starr

#2. Ian McCaw

#3. Art Briles

#4. Some knucklehead players

#5. Some knucklehead assistants and admin

It's over. Gone. Blown up. We've started over. We've already put together the best season in Baylor history but just like our lifetime .4922 record reveals, we have a huge mountain to scale to even get to respectability.

The primary culprits listed above are gone. This is a huge year and with the landscape polluted with NIL and Transfer Portal it is even more difficult.
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Go Hounds!
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Thee University said:

.....We've already put together the best season in Baylor history but just like our lifetime .4922 record reveals.......



Baylor is .509 lifetime (632-608-44)
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Realitybites
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Get Your Merch here for the November 7th Hound Out at McLane for Iowa State.

Link

Let Aranda see a stadium full of ENMU gear on his way out the door.
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Delmar 2.0 said:

Thee University said:

.....We've already put together the best season in Baylor history but just like our lifetime .4922 record reveals.......



Baylor is .509 lifetime (632-608-44)

The difference is that a tie is the same as a loss in my world. 632 times Baylor won. 652 times they did not win.

.4922
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Thee University said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Thee University said:

.....We've already put together the best season in Baylor history but just like our lifetime .4922 record reveals.......



Baylor is .509 lifetime (632-608-44)

The difference is that a tie is the same as a loss in my world. 632 times Baylor won. 652 times they did not win.

.4922


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guadalupeoso said:

AC/DC said:

guadalupeoso said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


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Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).


Bryant, no. Cignetti, no. However, in ALL of Baylor football history, there was never a match for the excitement, confidence, euphoria that was generated amongst our fans than in his era. His approach to offense was hard for defenses then. Probably today the elite teams would do a better job defending it; however, victories, excitement, and confidence would still be hanging around. Tough to deny.

No doubt, he was the most successful coach in Baylor history (you can argue overall legacy with Grant Teaff), and it was definitely the most exciting era. But in terms of him leading us to national championships or having us as a perennial top 5 team, that did not happen and I don't think was set to happen. We would have stayed near the top of the Big 12, but it's a big jump from "perennial Big 12 contender" to "national title contender." We never even came close to pulling off what Cignetti just pulled off at Indiana.

And I think winning heals all. Art Briles was able to have us win consistently in the Big 12. But I got just as much enjoyment out of the 2021 season as I did the 2013 or 2014 seasons. This idea that winning was somehow more fun because it was Art Briles leading us to victories is weird to me. But a lot of fans on this board seem to feel that way.

Winning was more fun watching Art's offense compared to Rhule's Big 10 type O but you are exactly correct otherwise. Even with Art we were shown that historically we have been far from a NC in football. Teaff's best teams were totally dismantled by Alabama and Penn State. Even Art's teams was shown the door by MSU in what may have been the last hurrah as far as national aspirations.
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Good for Art. I hope he is successful there. He was by far the best coach we've had.
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Delmar 2.0 said:

Thee University said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Thee University said:

.....We've already put together the best season in Baylor history but just like our lifetime .4922 record reveals.......



Baylor is .509 lifetime (632-608-44)

The difference is that a tie is the same as a loss in my world. 632 times Baylor won. 652 times they did not win.

.4922


Amazing. Something else you're wrong about. Didn't think it was possible.

So you answered my question about who are the soft, losers on this board.

Do you really count those 44 ties as not having been played and not counting?

That is amazing! It's no wonder we are where we are with a fan base like you.
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Thee University said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Thee University said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Thee University said:

.....We've already put together the best season in Baylor history but just like our lifetime .4922 record reveals.......



Baylor is .509 lifetime (632-608-44)

The difference is that a tie is the same as a loss in my world. 632 times Baylor won. 652 times they did not win.

.4922


Amazing. Something else you're wrong about. Didn't think it was possible


Do you really count those 44 ties as not having been played and not counting?

That is amazing! It's no wonder we are where we are with a fan base like you.

When did I say that? All I said was Baylor's actual winning percentage is .509.
Chill out you piece of sh:t, you wish Baylor had thousands more fans like me.
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Delmar 2.0 said:

Thee University said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Thee University said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Thee University said:

.....We've already put together the best season in Baylor history but just like our lifetime .4922 record reveals.......



Baylor is .509 lifetime (632-608-44)

The difference is that a tie is the same as a loss in my world. 632 times Baylor won. 652 times they did not win.

.4922


Amazing. Something else you're wrong about. Didn't think it was possible


Do you really count those 44 ties as not having been played and not counting?

That is amazing! It's no wonder we are where we are with a fan base like you.

When did I say that? All I said was Baylor's actual winning percentage is .509.
Chill out you piece of sh:t, you wish Baylor had thousands more fans like me.


Are you crying or just sniveling?

The actual winning percentage is NOT .509. Baylor has played 1,284 games. Baylor has won 632 games.
That is a winning percentage of .49221183801.

What is it with you juice box babies? Good grief. Quit living in a fantasy world and face reality. Not everybody gets a participation trophy past grade school.

I want fans that are honest, not delusional and have some backbone. Go cry somewhere else!
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Thee University said:

The actual winning percentage is NOT .509. Baylor has played 1,284 games. Baylor has won 632 games.
That is a winning percentage of .49221183801.

What is it with you juice box babies? Good grief. Quit living in a fantasy world and face reality. Not everybody gets a participation trophy past grade school.

I want fans that are honest, not delusional and have some backbone. Go cry somewhere else!

Shut up as$hole, washed up delusional piece of sh:t. Can't even beat the 3rd place team from the Pacific Coast Athletic Association and you run your mouth like you're somebody. Nobody cares what you think. Shove it up all your multiple holes and crawl back into your cave and die.
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Come on Thee. Everyone understands your spin. You're making a fool of yourself (again).
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Seems a bit harsh haha. But your larger sentiment is true. Not a single person on here gives a **** that thee was decent at football 150 years ago. Nor does a single person buy his tough guy persona.
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Delmar 2.0 said:

Thee University said:

The actual winning percentage is NOT .509. Baylor has played 1,284 games. Baylor has won 632 games.
That is a winning percentage of .49221183801.

What is it with you juice box babies? Good grief. Quit living in a fantasy world and face reality. Not everybody gets a participation trophy past grade school.

I want fans that are honest, not delusional and have some backbone. Go cry somewhere else!

Shut up as$hole, washed up delusional piece of sh:t. Can't even beat the 3rd place team from the Pacific Coast Athletic Association and you run your mouth like you're somebody. Nobody cares what you think. Shove it up all your multiple holes and crawl back into your cave and die.

Ahhhhhhhh. That's where you are wrong my little friend. I'm nobody but a number of you boys read my every single word here because I post the truth and it hurts the feelings of you juice boxers and Madden Heroes.

Del Mar Community College might be the reason you can't figure out the correct winning percentage!

I'm going to offer my help to you and the others who have identified yourselves as the Juice Box Patrol.

Hey Reverend, you might want to preach to the Del Mar College Boy about far surpassing any vulgarities I've posted. His weak BS doesn't bother me. I've been called much worse.

I love it that you boys are finally showing your true colors.

.49221183801



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Delmar 2.0 said:

Thee University said:

The actual winning percentage is NOT .509. Baylor has played 1,284 games. Baylor has won 632 games.
That is a winning percentage of .49221183801.

What is it with you juice box babies? Good grief. Quit living in a fantasy world and face reality. Not everybody gets a participation trophy past grade school.

I want fans that are honest, not delusional and have some backbone. Go cry somewhere else!

Shut up as$hole, washed up delusional piece of sh:t. Can't even beat the 3rd place team from the Pacific Coast Athletic Association and you run your mouth like you're somebody. Nobody cares what you think. Shove it up all your multiple holes and crawl back into your cave and die.


On one hand I feel like this would Be a pretty marketable tshirt….
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Delmar 2.0 said:

Thee University said:

The actual winning percentage is NOT .509. Baylor has played 1,284 games. Baylor has won 632 games.
That is a winning percentage of .49221183801.

What is it with you juice box babies? Good grief. Quit living in a fantasy world and face reality. Not everybody gets a participation trophy past grade school.

I want fans that are honest, not delusional and have some backbone. Go cry somewhere else!

Shut up as$hole, washed up delusional piece of sh:t. Can't even beat the 3rd place team from the Pacific Coast Athletic Association and you run your mouth like you're somebody. Nobody cares what you think. Shove it up all your multiple holes and crawl back into your cave and die.


I never knew Rice was in the Pacific Coast Athletic Association.
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San Jose St, at the time they were equivalent to what Howard Payne is now.

Pathetic.
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