What's their losing percentage?

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

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Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

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It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).

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I agree with you, but for a different reason: As much as people think Art would have been eternally at Baylor, he was at least poking a foot out the door. If it wasn't burnt orange that he would have been wearing by about 2017, it would have been an SEC school.

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The reports I read mentioned that Briles was ready to go to UT. They just didn't meet his terms.

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If he had been ready to go, he wouldn't have given them the terms he did.

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

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Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

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It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).

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I agree with you, but for a different reason: As much as people think Art would have been eternally at Baylor, he was at least poking a foot out the door. If it wasn't burnt orange that he would have been wearing by about 2017, it would have been an SEC school.

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The reports I read mentioned that Briles was ready to go to UT. They just didn't meet his terms.

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Would not be accurate to say he was "100% ready to go"…and ut-Austin never made an offer to him so there were no "terms" at all yet. They wanted to meet him and negotiate possible terms.

[Before the Alamo Bowl that season, longtime head coach Mack Brown announced that he would resign after a legendary run, which included 158-48 record (98-33 in Big 12 play) over his 16 seasons in Austin and a national championship in 2005. They lost the bowl game 30-7 against Oregon, but all the focus was on the future. No matter who the Longhorns hired, that coach was going to have some massive shoes to fill.…

Honestly, if we had won that game, it might have come to fruition," Briles said. "But I just had all these guys that had come up with us and made the journey to where we were at. Honestly, at that time, I felt like I would have been betraying them and the university.

"Beacuse we had beaten them in '10, '11, and '13. We had beaten them three out of the last four years… It could have gotten real real but I never let it get there. They wanted to come out to Arizona and meet with me after the game and all that stuff. I just said no. It wasn't right, it wasn't the right time."

To say that the Longhorns dodged a bullet in this situation would be a massive understatement. Yes, Briles enjoyed success at Baylor, putting together a 65-37 (39-30 in Big 12 play) with four top-15 finishes in his final five seasons. He also won back-to-back Big 12 titles in 2013 and 2014 - though Baylor split the 2014 title with TCU, which ultimately kept them both out of the inaugural College Football Playoff.

However, none of that matters in the face of the widespread sexual assault scandal that took place at Baylor during his tenure…]

https://www.si.com/college/texas/football/controversial-coach-art-briles-says-he-nearly-took-texas-longhorns-job

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Interesting how the firings were not nearly as widespread as the sexual assault scandal was. You remember, the one that was covered up for a few years by a senior BU administrator.

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guadalupeoso said:

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

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Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

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It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).

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I agree with you, but for a different reason: As much as people think Art would have been eternally at Baylor, he was at least poking a foot out the door. If it wasn't burnt orange that he would have been wearing by about 2017, it would have been an SEC school.

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The reports I read mentioned that Briles was ready to go to UT. They just didn't meet his terms.

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If he had been ready to go, he wouldn't have given them the terms he did.

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C Jordan, presumably an academic, does not understand how contracts work.

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What's their losing percentage?

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.491

Delmar 2.0 said:

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San Jose St, at the time they were equivalent to what Howard Payne is now.

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Not so fast there Del Mar College Boy. That San Jose State team went 7-4 in 1980.

Jack Elway was the head coach

Dennis Erickson was the OC - 2 national championships as a head coach at Miami

SJSU had a 1st rounder that season - Mark Nichols + 2 other NFL players on that team

Losing to San Jose State was almost as bad as when Big 12 Co-Champs Baylor lost to a 7-6 West Virginia team in 2014 by the score of 27-41.

Pathetic.

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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San Jose St, at the time they were equivalent to what Howard Payne is now.

Pathetic.

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Not so fast there Del Mar College Boy. That San Jose State team went 7-4 in 1980.

Jack Elway was the head coach

Dennis Erickson was the OC - 2 national championships as a head coach at Miami

SJSU had a 1st rounder that season - Mark Nichols + 2 other NFL players on that team

Losing to San Jose State was almost as bad as when Big 12 Co-Champs Baylor lost to a 7-6 West Virginia team in 2014 by the score of 27-41.

Pathetic.

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So are you saying Coach Teaff was out coached?

SJSA losses were to Iowa St, #15 Stanford, Long Beach St, and Utah St… Stanford only highlight. Iowa St/6-5 w 3-4 Big 8 record, Long Beach St/8-3 (N Illinois, BYU, Tennessee STATE) w 5-0 Conference, Utah St/6-5 (KY, UT, TX, BYU & LONG BEACH St.

I didn't go to the trouble of checking each's highlight win.
But I'll ask again, was Coach Teaff out coached to a superior coaching staff that finished 7-4 (38th of 138)? Baylor finished 14th nationally. I'm trying to understand .

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Art had the good fortune of following Dave Robert's and his 4-18 record and 2-14 Big 12. Then it got even worse with Kevin Steele who posted a 9-36 overall & a horrific 1-31 in Big 12

He was helped along by Guy Morriss who put up an 18-40 overall and a 7-33 Big 12

Baylor fans weren't on life support, we were dead and buried. Art started digging us up in 2008 & 2009 with back-to-back 4-8 seasons overall and 3-13 Big 12. 2010 was the turning point with a 7-6 season, our first winning season in 15 years!

To go from 15 years of embarrassment to going 10-3, 8-5, 11-2, 11-2 & 10-3 was more success than Baylor folks had had ever seen before.

The best season in Baylor history, 2021 with a Sugar Bowl win and a 12-2 record with 5 wins over ranked opponents, gets lost after going 17-21 afterwards.

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Yeah. He was great for a weak SWC but Bama and PSU showed we were not nearly as talented as the big guys. I love Teaff and enjoyed his tenure. But in the last few years I took off green goggles and realized we were never contenders for top ten annually.

I always thought Grant Teaff had a chance at a NC if he had accepted the job at USC. We will never know.

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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San Jose St, at the time they were equivalent to what Howard Payne is now.

Pathetic.

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Not so fast there Del Mar College Boy. That San Jose State team went 7-4 in 1980.

Jack Elway was the head coach

Dennis Erickson was the OC - 2 national championships as a head coach at Miami

SJSU had a 1st rounder that season - Mark Nichols + 2 other NFL players on that team

Losing to San Jose State was almost as bad as when Big 12 Co-Champs Baylor lost to a 7-6 West Virginia team in 2014 by the score of 27-41.

Pathetic.

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Whataboutism is never becoming.

Shut up
Sit down
Eat your Rice

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Thee University said:

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San Jose St, at the time they were equivalent to what Howard Payne is now.

Pathetic.

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Not so fast there Del Mar College Boy. That San Jose State team went 7-4 in 1980.

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7-4 against Pacific Coast Athletic Association teams......oh yeah, they beat your ass as well.

Just think about that, for all your chest pounding & bragging about "Defense! We played Defense" you let the equivalent of Howard Payne shove 30 points down your throat. That little fact gives you ZERO right to tell anyone about "Defense".

30 points......you allowed to the equivalent of Howard f.cking Payne.

On your home field.

Bent you over and had their way with you......30 points worth.

Absolutely Pathetic.

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Defense
1160 yards rushing in 12 games
519 yards tackles for loss
13 kicks blocked
29 interceptions
-35 yards rushing by Texas Tech
37 yards rushing by Lamar
16 yards rushing by TCU
35 yards rushing by Texas
at D and the 7 players that played games in the NFL
30 points by a Corpus Christi Del Mar equivalent. Hell, that's nothing. Alabama beat us 45-0 in 1979 and 30-2 in the Cotton Bowl. A combined 75-2!

4 interceptions thrown by the Baylor O. 2 lost fumbles by the Baylor O. Drives to the 6, 23 & 24 without points due to our starting kicker being out of the game. It happens. That D was still one of the top 5 defenses in Baylor history.

I'm extremely proud to have played on that D. We are in the record books! Hooty Hoo!

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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Thee University said:

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San Jose St, at the time they were equivalent to what Howard Payne is now.

Pathetic.

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Not so fast there Del Mar College Boy. That San Jose State team went 7-4 in 1980.

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7-4 against Pacific Coast Athletic Association teams......oh yeah, they beat your ass as well.

Just think about that, for all your chest pounding & bragging about "Defense! We played Defense" you let the equivalent of Howard Payne shove 30 points down your throat. That little fact gives you ZERO right to tell anyone about "Defense".

30 points......you allowed to the equivalent of Howard f.cking Payne.

On your home field.

Bent you over and had their way with you......30 points worth.

Absolutely Pathetic.

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Defense
1160 yards rushing in 12 games
519 yards tackles for loss
13 kicks blocked
29 interceptions
-35 yards rushing by Texas Tech
37 yards rushing by Lamar
16 yards rushing by TCU
35 yards rushing by Texas
at D and the 7 players that played games in the NFL
30 points by a Corpus Christi Del Mar equivalent. Hell, that's nothing. Alabama beat us 45-0 in 1979 and 30-2 in the Cotton Bowl. A combined 75-2!

4 interceptions thrown by the Baylor O. 2 lost fumbles by the Baylor O. Drives to the 6, 23 & 24 without points due to our starting kicker being out of the game. It happens. That D was still one of the top 5 defenses in Baylor history.

I'm extremely proud to have played on that D. We are in the record books! Hooty Hoo!

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That was a great D … Just a handful of years before I got there. We still had some pretty good defenses in the mid 80s. The offense was just maddeningly inconsistent. It seems we would move the ball great between the 20s and then stall out. A lot of people were getting frustrated with Teaff by the late 80s, but he showed what could be done at Baylor and brought us some great years.

My first game at Baylor was the upset of BYU and Steve Young. What a great game!

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Eh. I think you're wrong. That 2015 team was really good, but there was a long way to go before the natty. We've seen lots of "unstoppable" teams lose in the playoff era.

But also, the original post I'm responding to was saying that Indiana "could have been us." Which is just not true because Curt Cignetti won a national championship in year 3 at Indiana and Art Briles was at Baylor for 7 years and didn't. It's just a fact.

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OK, let's turn the tables then. Do you think Cignetti would've had as much success at Baylor as Briles did back then? I bet not. The NIL era is difficult to compare to any other time in college football.

Briles had a lot of success between 2010 and 2015, but we were a top college football program and still on the rise and beginning to recruit better than ever when he left. Hard to say what could have been. Dominating the likes of Texas and Oklahoma year in and year out was certainly a lot of fun.

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Yes, I think Cignetti would have. Because he was a winner at his head coaching stops prior to NIL as well.

I am not arguing that Art Briles was a great coach and took us to heights not previously seen before. He did not take us to the heights that Cignetti took Indiana and that's just a historical fact.

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

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Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

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It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).

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Bear Bryant coached during an era where you could warehouse talent to prevent other teams from signing it.

Curt Cignetti is coaching during an era where you can openly pay players.

CAB's tenure existed between these eras...and yet he took a program that was roadkill for the better part of two decades and brought it a new stadium, a heisman, and two conference championships while UT and OU were still part of it. Without a doubt the greatest coach in Baylor football history.

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No one is arguing that Art Briles wasn't a great coach or the greatest in Baylor history (although I think many would still say Grant Teaff, but rationale minds can disagree on this). CAB is still not Curt Cignetti. The rules are what they are. A coach can only exist within the confines of the era they are in. The point is, Cignetti won a national championship at a dumpster fire program in year 3. Art Briles resurrected a dumpster fire program, but did not win a national championship, and even if he would have in the future, it would have been in a much different scenario by that time than what Cignetti did.

The original poster said "Indiana could have been us if we hadn't fired Briles." It literally could not have been.

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Cignetti also did it during a time where he could buy a roster and turn it over quickly via the transfer portal. Had Art Briles been given much of the same opportunity to do so, there is a considerably higher chance that he would have won bigger, sooner. Briles had to build trust with a donor base, players & their families, and a reputation over the course of YEARS before Baylor was perennially in the title contention conversation.

Also, regardless of Indiana's prior lack of success, they are a much bigger school with a far larger donor base that has had success in other sports (see IU basketball). Not to take away Cignetti's accomplishment; it is amazing. Just silly to think of the comparison in this way.

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I think it's silly to continuously self-flagellate ourselves over a coach who was fired 10 years ago and create revisionist history scenarios over things that literally did not happen. Again, Briles was a great coach, probably the best we've ever had and probably the most prolific offensive mind of his generation. But if the differentiating factor was Cignetti's ability to pay, then why hasn't Texas Tech (with a comparable fan base) won a national championship? I don't understand this need to defend Art Briles legacy even against reason. When the national spotlight was on us in 2013 and 2014 in the Fiesta Bowl and the Cotton Bowl, we lost both in embarrassing fashion. Again, that's not to take away from Art Briles genius or what he did for the program. But let's stop reinventing him as a shoe-in national championship coach, because he never won one and didn't come particularly close - and that's ok, a lot of brilliant, historic coaches don't.

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Cignetti is a far better coach than Joey. Cignetti's ability to win FAST is a product of said coaching ability being combined with resources and tools that Briles did not have.

Simple.

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But if Briles had the ability to improve the roster quickly through NIL or transfer portal, other schools would have had the ability to improve their roster just as quickly. Which means that's not an advantage or a something that you can point to as a factor that would have made Baylor a contender at the level that Indiana is. You can't just say "well if Art Briles could have paid players and used the transfer portal, we would have had a national championship roster like Indiana). Because all of our competition would have been using the same methods as us to get players. And we know that during Briles tenure, he recruited in the middle of the pack in the national picture (it was trending upwards at the end). There is no reason to think that his portal hauls and NIL would not have been the same, relative to our competition.

So, if all things are equal on the roster front (in terms of blue chip ratio, experience, NFL level talent, etc.), what is the separator then? It's the coaching ability and the ability to put all the pieces together (offense, defense, special teams, continuity depth, i.e. not just depth of stars but depth with the right skillsets and experience, scheme, and culture). Art Briles showed he was elite at all of that, but not the level Cignetti is. The proof is in their respective trophy cabinets.

So its not simple. It's wishful thinking in order to justify hero worship and revisionist history of a great, but not national championship (at least not to that point in his career) coach.

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Delmar 2.0 said:

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Here's my contribution.......take a look at the coaching staff, you might recognize a name or four or five


goeasternathletics.com/sports/football

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Saw the 60 Minutes segment tonight on Indiana's National Championship Football team. They went from worst to first in three seasons. That could have been us had our Regents decided not to blow up Baylor Football.

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It could not have been us because Art Briles had already been here for seven years and at no point did we get to first (in the nation). Look, I really enjoyed the Art Briles years, but there is just a lot of revisionist history around him. He was not Bear Bryant (and he wasn't Curt Cignetti, for that matter).

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Bear Bryant coached during an era where you could warehouse talent to prevent other teams from signing it.

Curt Cignetti is coaching during an era where you can openly pay players.

CAB's tenure existed between these eras...and yet he took a program that was roadkill for the better part of two decades and brought it a new stadium, a heisman, and two conference championships while UT and OU were still part of it. Without a doubt the greatest coach in Baylor football history.

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No one is arguing that Art Briles wasn't a great coach or the greatest in Baylor history (although I think many would still say Grant Teaff, but rationale minds can disagree on this). CAB is still not Curt Cignetti. The rules are what they are. A coach can only exist within the confines of the era they are in. The point is, Cignetti won a national championship at a dumpster fire program in year 3. Art Briles resurrected a dumpster fire program, but did not win a national championship, and even if he would have in the future, it would have been in a much different scenario by that time than what Cignetti did.

The original poster said "Indiana could have been us if we hadn't fired Briles." It literally could not have been.

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Cignetti also did it during a time where he could buy a roster and turn it over quickly via the transfer portal. Had Art Briles been given much of the same opportunity to do so, there is a considerably higher chance that he would have won bigger, sooner. Briles had to build trust with a donor base, players & their families, and a reputation over the course of YEARS before Baylor was perennially in the title contention conversation.

Also, regardless of Indiana's prior lack of success, they are a much bigger school with a far larger donor base that has had success in other sports (see IU basketball). Not to take away Cignetti's accomplishment; it is amazing. Just silly to think of the comparison in this way.

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I think it's silly to continuously self-flagellate ourselves over a coach who was fired 10 years ago and create revisionist history scenarios over things that literally did not happen. Again, Briles was a great coach, probably the best we've ever had and probably the most prolific offensive mind of his generation. But if the differentiating factor was Cignetti's ability to pay, then why hasn't Texas Tech (with a comparable fan base) won a national championship? I don't understand this need to defend Art Briles legacy even against reason. When the national spotlight was on us in 2013 and 2014 in the Fiesta Bowl and the Cotton Bowl, we lost both in embarrassing fashion. Again, that's not to take away from Art Briles genius or what he did for the program. But let's stop reinventing him as a shoe-in national championship coach, because he never won one and didn't come particularly close - and that's ok, a lot of brilliant, historic coaches don't.

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Cignetti is a far better coach than Joey. Cignetti's ability to win FAST is a product of said coaching ability being combined with resources and tools that Briles did not have.

Simple.

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But if Briles had the ability to improve the roster quickly through NIL or transfer portal, other schools would have had the ability to improve their roster just as quickly. Which means that's not an advantage or a something that you can point to as a factor that would have made Baylor a contender at the level that Indiana is. You can't just say "well if Art Briles could have paid players and used the transfer portal, we would have had a national championship roster like Indiana). Because all of our competition would have been using the same methods as us to get players. And we know that during Briles tenure, he recruited in the middle of the pack in the national picture (it was trending upwards at the end). There is no reason to think that his portal hauls and NIL would not have been the same, relative to our competition.

So, if all things are equal on the roster front (in terms of blue chip ratio, experience, NFL level talent, etc.), what is the separator then? It's the coaching ability and the ability to put all the pieces together (offense, defense, special teams, continuity depth, i.e. not just depth of stars but depth with the right skillsets and experience, scheme, and culture). Art Briles showed he was elite at all of that, but not the level Cignetti is. The proof is in their respective trophy cabinets.

So its not simple. It's wishful thinking in order to justify hero worship and revisionist history of a great, but not national championship (at least not to that point in his career) coach.

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Agree with this to an extent. There are tons of really good coaches that never truly compete for a national title, and that's part of life.

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Bruh we won 10 plus games four out of his last five years, had the nations number one offense in 3 of those years, and were ranked second in the country before Seth Russell got injured. We were just starting to get top 25 classes and five star recruits.

We were ABSOLUTELY on the path to compete for a national title. To act otherwise is just coping so it doesn't hurt as much that we wasted it.

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Inarguably true last paragraph is inarguably true.

TheBearableVariabl3 said:

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Bruh we won 10 plus games four out of his last five years, had the nations number one offense in 3 of those years, and were ranked second in the country before Seth Russell got injured. We were just starting to get top 25 classes and five star recruits.

We were ABSOLUTELY on the path to compete for a national title. To act otherwise is just coping so it doesn't hurt as much that we wasted it.

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Being on the path to competing for a national title (which I would agree that our program trajectory was headed that way) vs. actually winning one (which Cignetti did) are two different things. Oregon has been on the path to competing for a national title for the last 20 years and ain't won one yet.

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Bruh we won 10 plus games four out of his last five years, had the nations number one offense in 3 of those years, and were ranked second in the country before Seth Russell got injured. We were just starting to get top 25 classes and five star recruits.

We were ABSOLUTELY on the path to compete for a national title. To act otherwise is just coping so it doesn't hurt as much that we wasted it.

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Being on the path to competing for a national title (which I would agree that our program trajectory was headed that way) vs. actually winning one (which Cignetti did) are two different things. Oregon has been on the path to competing for a national title for the last 20 years and ain't won one yet.

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With Cignetti, players face consequences if/when they take plays off or otherwise show they don't think what their coaches have instructed them to do really matters. If they're out there just "representing," they sit, regardless of their talent level.

Where do we see any evidence of the same, or even a similar, dynamic/purpose in BU football these days?

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Bruh we won 10 plus games four out of his last five years, had the nations number one offense in 3 of those years, and were ranked second in the country before Seth Russell got injured. We were just starting to get top 25 classes and five star recruits.

We were ABSOLUTELY on the path to compete for a national title. To act otherwise is just coping so it doesn't hurt as much that we wasted it.

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Being on the path to competing for a national title (which I would agree that our program trajectory was headed that way) vs. actually winning one (which Cignetti did) are two different things. Oregon has been on the path to competing for a national title for the last 20 years and ain't won one yet.

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With Cignetti, players face consequences if/when they take plays off or otherwise show they don't think what their coaches have instructed them to do really matters. If they're out there just "representing," they sit, regardless of their talent level.

Where do we see any evidence of the same, or even a similar, dynamic/purpose in BU football these days?

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We don't at all. I completely agree with you. Did you think my post was hinting otherwise?

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Bruh we won 10 plus games four out of his last five years, had the nations number one offense in 3 of those years, and were ranked second in the country before Seth Russell got injured. We were just starting to get top 25 classes and five star recruits.

We were ABSOLUTELY on the path to compete for a national title. To act otherwise is just coping so it doesn't hurt as much that we wasted it.

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Yessir.

Or, as guadalupe says, we might have ended up being Oregon. Poor ol' Oregon... bet they'd love to trade places with us right now!

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To act otherwise is just coping so it doesn't hurt as much that we wasted it.

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For more years than not the University has been extremely proficient at generating sufficient waste in college football.

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Bruh we won 10 plus games four out of his last five years, had the nations number one offense in 3 of those years, and were ranked second in the country before Seth Russell got injured. We were just starting to get top 25 classes and five star recruits.

We were ABSOLUTELY on the path to compete for a national title. To act otherwise is just coping so it doesn't hurt as much that we wasted it.

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Being on the path to competing for a national title (which I would agree that our program trajectory was headed that way) vs. actually winning one (which Cignetti did) are two different things. Oregon has been on the path to competing for a national title for the last 20 years and ain't won one yet.

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With Cignetti, players face consequences if/when they take plays off or otherwise show they don't think what their coaches have instructed them to do really matters. If they're out there just "representing," they sit, regardless of their talent level.

Where do we see any evidence of the same, or even a similar, dynamic/purpose in BU football these days?

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We don't at all. I completely agree with you. Did you think my post was hinting otherwise?

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No, just pointing out a possible contributing factor to Oregon still being without a NC.

Ironically Cig actually has some of the most lax practice structures of any CFB program. Very light and short practices.

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Ironically Cig actually has some of the most lax practice structures of any CFB program. Very light and short practices.

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Even more ironic is how often CDA touts how great and sharp practices are vs how the team looks kind of lost for stretches during games, especially on defense. This season could be different. We'll be watching.

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Bruh we won 10 plus games four out of his last five years, had the nations number one offense in 3 of those years, and were ranked second in the country before Seth Russell got injured. We were just starting to get top 25 classes and five star recruits.

We were ABSOLUTELY on the path to compete for a national title. To act otherwise is just coping so it doesn't hurt as much that we wasted it.

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That's fine but when you look at the Top Rated Defenses for nearly every year you orgasm over, BU was never better than #36 in Defense and actually got worse the last 3 years you blow. They were #113 , #78 & #49 during these years of having the #1 offense while losing 17-47 to Oklahoma State, 42-53 to that commuter school UCF, 27-41 to West Virginia. Most National Champions have a Top 10 defense!

We were #1 in one particular category more than anywhere else......PENALTIES! We were the most penalized team in 2013, 2014, 2nd most penalized in 2015.

Art made a horrible decision to only carry 2 real QBs when Seth was trying to run over linebackers and got himself hurt. Most Big 12 teams carried 4, 5 and even 6 QBs.

The other high school decision he made was to ignore the light bulb that was trying to come on in 2015 so we lost to OU, TCU & UT that season. That TCU team was starting something like 3 or 4 freshmen on defense and that 2015 UT team was one of, if not their worst team, in modern era football and we are winging it downfield with a guy who was not a QB. First in a monsoon in Ft. Worth and then against a sorry UT team.

National title? Ha. That's about like saying the 1980 team, which gave SJSU a gift in Waco, was going to go undefeated and play somebody other than Alabama in the Cotton bowl.

Thee University said:

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TheBearableVariabl3 said:

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Bruh we won 10 plus games four out of his last five years, had the nations number one offense in 3 of those years, and were ranked second in the country before Seth Russell got injured. We were just starting to get top 25 classes and five star recruits.

We were ABSOLUTELY on the path to compete for a national title. To act otherwise is just coping so it doesn't hurt as much that we wasted it.

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That's fine but when you look at the Top Rated Defenses for nearly every year you orgasm over, BU was never better than #36 in Defense and actually got worse the last 3 years you blow. They were #113 , #78 & #49 during these years of having the #1 offense while losing 17-47 to Oklahoma State, 42-53 to that commuter school UCF, 27-41 to West Virginia. Most National Champions have a Top 10 defense!

We were #1 in one particular category more than anywhere else......PENALTIES! We were the most penalized team in 2013, 2014, 2nd most penalized in 2015.

Art made a horrible decision to only carry 2 real QBs when Seth was trying to run over linebackers and got himself hurt. Most Big 12 teams carried 4, 5 and even 6 QBs.

The other high school decision he made was to ignore the light bulb that was trying to come on in 2015 so we lost to OU, TCU & UT that season. That TCU team was starting something like 3 or 4 freshmen on defense and that 2015 UT team was one of, if not their worst team, in modern era football and we are winging it downfield with a guy who was not a QB. First in a monsoon in Ft. Worth and then against a sorry UT team.

National title? Ha. That's about like saying the 1980 team, which gave SJSU a gift in Waco, was going to go undefeated and play somebody other than Alabama in the Cotton bowl.

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You can not ignore the fact that, because our offense was so good and because they scored so quickly, other offenses has 3-5 more possessions than average per game.

Thee University said:

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TheBearableVariabl3 said:

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Bruh we won 10 plus games four out of his last five years, had the nations number one offense in 3 of those years, and were ranked second in the country before Seth Russell got injured. We were just starting to get top 25 classes and five star recruits.

We were ABSOLUTELY on the path to compete for a national title. To act otherwise is just coping so it doesn't hurt as much that we wasted it.

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That's fine but when you look at the Top Rated Defenses for nearly every year you orgasm over, BU was never better than #36 in Defense and actually got worse the last 3 years you blow. They were #113 , #78 & #49 during these years of having the #1 offense while losing 17-47 to Oklahoma State, 42-53 to that commuter school UCF, 27-41 to West Virginia. Most National Champions have a Top 10 defense!

We were #1 in one particular category more than anywhere else......PENALTIES! We were the most penalized team in 2013, 2014, 2nd most penalized in 2015.

Art made a horrible decision to only carry 2 real QBs when Seth was trying to run over linebackers and got himself hurt. Most Big 12 teams carried 4, 5 and even 6 QBs.

The other high school decision he made was to ignore the light bulb that was trying to come on in 2015 so we lost to OU, TCU & UT that season. That TCU team was starting something like 3 or 4 freshmen on defense and that 2015 UT team was one of, if not their worst team, in modern era football and we are winging it downfield with a guy who was not a QB. First in a monsoon in Ft. Worth and then against a sorry UT team.

National title? Ha. That's about like saying the 1980 team, which gave SJSU a gift in Waco, was going to go undefeated and play somebody other than Alabama in the Cotton bowl.

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This is a helluva melt

Yup this brings me back the good old days of you constantly complaining about the defense while the program flew as high as it ever had. Good times. Definitely miss em.

LibertyBear said:

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Thee University said:

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TheBearableVariabl3 said:

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Bruh we won 10 plus games four out of his last five years, had the nations number one offense in 3 of those years, and were ranked second in the country before Seth Russell got injured. We were just starting to get top 25 classes and five star recruits.

We were ABSOLUTELY on the path to compete for a national title. To act otherwise is just coping so it doesn't hurt as much that we wasted it.

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That's fine but when you look at the Top Rated Defenses for nearly every year you orgasm over, BU was never better than #36 in Defense and actually got worse the last 3 years you blow. They were #113 , #78 & #49 during these years of having the #1 offense while losing 17-47 to Oklahoma State, 42-53 to that commuter school UCF, 27-41 to West Virginia. Most National Champions have a Top 10 defense!

We were #1 in one particular category more than anywhere else......PENALTIES! We were the most penalized team in 2013, 2014, 2nd most penalized in 2015.

Art made a horrible decision to only carry 2 real QBs when Seth was trying to run over linebackers and got himself hurt. Most Big 12 teams carried 4, 5 and even 6 QBs.

The other high school decision he made was to ignore the light bulb that was trying to come on in 2015 so we lost to OU, TCU & UT that season. That TCU team was starting something like 3 or 4 freshmen on defense and that 2015 UT team was one of, if not their worst team, in modern era football and we are winging it downfield with a guy who was not a QB. First in a monsoon in Ft. Worth and then against a sorry UT team.

National title? Ha. That's about like saying the 1980 team, which gave SJSU a gift in Waco, was going to go undefeated and play somebody other than Alabama in the Cotton bowl.

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You can not ignore the fact that, because our offense was so good and because they scored so quickly, other offenses has 3-5 more possessions than average per game.

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If your defense can't stop a wheelchair bound grandmother from scoring, if my team leads the nation in penalties (no discipline) and the coach can't manage the clock then yes, you have self-imposed problems.