He hasn't averaged nine wins at USC, in the PAC 12 and an 18-team Big Ten full of mediocrity or worse in its bottom half. Why would it be a foregone conclusion that he'd do it in Waco against a bunch of schools that have similar resources and commitment levels to our own?Quinton said:
I mean is BYU, Utah, Ok st, or Houston's coach (the best coaches imo) huge step above Riley?.. I don't think so. I guess leaving for Tech is a risk since he's a better coach than Joey.
Does anybody really doubt he'd avg around 9 wins a game with Bu's schedule once he got going? And that's conservative imo.
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bear2be2 said:Quinton said:
I mean is BYU, Utah, Ok st, or Houston's coach (the best coaches imo) huge step above Riley?.. I don't think so. I guess leaving for Tech is a risk since he's a better coach than Joey.
Does anybody really doubt he'd avg around 9 wins a game with Bu's schedule once he got going? And that's conservative imo.
He hasn't averaged nine wins at USC, in the PAC 12 and an 18-team Big Ten full of mediocrity or worse in its bottom half. Why would it be a foregone conclusion that he'd do it in Waco against a bunch of schools that have similar resources and commitment levels to our own?
I am not a Lincoln Riley fan and he is not my choice for our new head coach. Nevertheless, he is an attractive name brand and a proven high-level recruiter. So give him credit for those. (How he might recruit without blue-blood BMD's is a legitimate question. But if our BMD's were willing to pony up to hire Riley, I expect they would also fund NIL.)
BearlyBeloved said:bear2be2 said:Quinton said:
I mean is BYU, Utah, Ok st, or Houston's coach (the best coaches imo) huge step above Riley?.. I don't think so. I guess leaving for Tech is a risk since he's a better coach than Joey.
Does anybody really doubt he'd avg around 9 wins a game with Bu's schedule once he got going? And that's conservative imo.
He hasn't averaged nine wins at USC, in the PAC 12 and an 18-team Big Ten full of mediocrity or worse in its bottom half. Why would it be a foregone conclusion that he'd do it in Waco against a bunch of schools that have similar resources and commitment levels to our own?
I am not a Lincoln Riley fan and he is not my choice for our new head coach. Nevertheless, he is an attractive name brand and a proven high-level recruiter. So give him credit for those. (How he might recruit without blue-blood BMD's is a legitimate question. But if our BMD's were willing to pony up to hire Riley, I expect they would also fund NIL.)
Name the last coach at Oklahoma and USC that wasn't a "high-level recruiter." Those programs recruit themselves.
Comparing what a coach is capable of with every imaginable resource advantage to what he would do at Baylor just isn't a worthwhile endeavor IMO. I want folks who have proven their value at a resource disadvantage. Those are the ones who will overachieve in our program. They always have been.
bear2be2 said:
Name the last coach at Oklahoma and USC that wasn't a "high-level recruiter." Those programs recruit themselves.
Comparing what a coach is capable of with every imaginable resource advantage to what he would do at Baylor just isn't a worthwhile endeavor IMO. I want folks who have proven their value at a resource disadvantage. Those are the ones who will overachieve in our program. They always have been.
That is indeed a legitimate point. But whether Riley has earned his reputation entirely on his own or benefitted mostly from his association with bluebloods doesn't change the fact that he currently has a big name with recruits. If someone is a self-made multi-millionaire or inherited his riches doesn't change the fact that they are wealthy either way.
BearlyBeloved said:bear2be2 said:
Name the last coach at Oklahoma and USC that wasn't a "high-level recruiter." Those programs recruit themselves.
Comparing what a coach is capable of with every imaginable resource advantage to what he would do at Baylor just isn't a worthwhile endeavor IMO. I want folks who have proven their value at a resource disadvantage. Those are the ones who will overachieve in our program. They always have been.
That is indeed a legitimate point. But whether Riley has earned his reputation entirely on his own or benefitted mostly from his association with bluebloods doesn't change the fact that he currently has a big name with recruits. If someone is a self-made multi-millionaire or inherited his riches doesn't change the fact that they are wealthy either way.
I think Lincoln Riley completely earned his reputation as an elite offensive coordinator. But we're not hiring an offensive coordinator.
And I don't want to gamble the next three or four years on a guy who fans want to run out of his current blue blood position. Particularly when it's one I don't particularly like from a personality and character perspective to begin with.
bear2be2 said:
And I don't want to gamble the next three or four years on a guy who fans want to run out of his current blue blood position. Particularly when it's one I don't particularly like from a personality and character perspective to begin with.
Surely we agree then that we want a Genuine Red-Blooded American!!
BearlyBeloved said:bear2be2 said:
And I don't want to gamble the next three or four years on a guy who fans want to run out of his current blue blood position. Particularly when it's one I don't particularly like from a personality and character perspective to begin with.
Surely we agree then that we want a Genuine Red-Blooded American!!
I want a football coach ... and one who isn't allergic to accountability and doesn't play stupid games limiting media access to avoid it.
I couldn't give two ****s about our coach's religion or politics as long as he runs a competitive, consistent and clean program that we can be proud of from August to January every year.
Riley knows how to beat TCU.
6-0 in regular season matchups.
6-0 in regular season matchups.
I believe he's literally averaged just under 9 overall and in the pac it was over 9.
I think he would be - even with Bu resources (which now that the Dave boycott is over will be top 3rd in the league) - the best offensive recruiter in the conference.
Defense and toughness criticism is fair but I think he's being underrated.
I think he would be - even with Bu resources (which now that the Dave boycott is over will be top 3rd in the league) - the best offensive recruiter in the conference.
Defense and toughness criticism is fair but I think he's being underrated.
bear2be2 said:OffshoreBear said:
Lincoln has a 76% winning percentage % and developed 3 Heisman winners. Of course he should be on the list as a top 3-4 candidate.
At blue blood programs, from which he ultimately fled (the SEC was too tough at OU) or will be fired (he's been trash at USC).
Lincoln Riley is soft as hell, and his team's reflect it.
Do not want. At all.
I think calling Riley's time at USC a failure is a little ridiculous when you actually look at the numbers.
He inherited a 4-8 team and went 11-3 his first year. He's 41-20 overall at USC, went 9-4 last year with a 7-2 Big Ten record, and is 6-2 this season.
In 2025, USC ranked 5th nationally in passing offense and 8th in total offense, averaging 35.8 points per game. He also brought in the No. 1 recruiting class in the country for 2026.
Has he met USC's expectations of competing for national championships? No. Are his defenses a concern? Absolutely.
But there's a huge difference between not meeting USC's national championship expectations and being a bad football coach.
We're talking about a coach who knows how to recruit elite talent, develop quarterbacks, and produce some of the best offenses in college football. I certainly wouldn't dismiss him as a candidate for Baylor.
I came for the rumors, stayed for the overreactions.
I still think Lincoln will eventually end up with the TCU job in a year or two. Either Lincoln or Traylor.
Bingo. Couldn't have said it better
Quinton said:
I believe he's literally averaged just under 9 overall and in the pac it was over 9.
I think he would be - even with Bu resources (which now that the Dave boycott is over will be top 3rd in the league) - the best offensive recruiter in the conference.
Defense and toughness criticism is fair but I think he's being underrated.
He has a .672 win percentage at USC. Over 12 games, that's 8.06 wins. Over 13, it's 8.74.
He barely has a better win percentage there than Clay Helton had (.657), and there's a very good chance he dips below that number this year with games remaining against Ohio State, Indiana and UCLA.
Im hearing Gundy wants our job badly.
Stefano DiMera said:
Im hearing Gundy wants our job badly.
And I want to win the lottery.
I'd imagine our chances are roughly equal.
OffshoreBear said:bear2be2 said:OffshoreBear said:
Lincoln has a 76% winning percentage % and developed 3 Heisman winners. Of course he should be on the list as a top 3-4 candidate.
At blue blood programs, from which he ultimately fled (the SEC was too tough at OU) or will be fired (he's been trash at USC).
Lincoln Riley is soft as hell, and his team's reflect it.
Do not want. At all.
I think calling Riley's time at USC a failure is a little ridiculous when you actually look at the numbers.
He inherited a 4-8 team and went 11-3 his first year. He's 41-20 overall at USC, went 9-4 last year with a 7-2 Big Ten record, and is 6-2 this season.
In 2025, USC ranked 5th nationally in passing offense and 8th in total offense, averaging 35.8 points per game. He also brought in the No. 1 recruiting class in the country for 2026.
Has he met USC's expectations of competing for national championships? No. Are his defenses a concern? Absolutely.
But there's a huge difference between not meeting USC's national championship expectations and being a bad football coach.
We're talking about a coach who knows how to recruit elite talent, develop quarterbacks, and produce some of the best offenses in college football. I certainly wouldn't dismiss him as a candidate for Baylor.
He's going to finish this season with a worse win percentage than Clay Helton -- over 50 points below USC's all-time win percentage.
If we can't call that failure, we can't call anything failure.
The fact of the matter here is that USC fans (and secretly, administrators) are hoping and praying that we will take him off their hands. Why we would want a coach we'd be bailing out another, far more resourced program by hiring is beyond me. And the thought of doing it off what will likely be a 7-5 or 8-4 season is depressing.
you're right, he sucks and we shouldn't even look at him. We're Baylor. We got our pick of anyone we want.bear2be2 said:OffshoreBear said:bear2be2 said:OffshoreBear said:
Lincoln has a 76% winning percentage % and developed 3 Heisman winners. Of course he should be on the list as a top 3-4 candidate.
At blue blood programs, from which he ultimately fled (the SEC was too tough at OU) or will be fired (he's been trash at USC).
Lincoln Riley is soft as hell, and his team's reflect it.
Do not want. At all.
I think calling Riley's time at USC a failure is a little ridiculous when you actually look at the numbers.
He inherited a 4-8 team and went 11-3 his first year. He's 41-20 overall at USC, went 9-4 last year with a 7-2 Big Ten record, and is 6-2 this season.
In 2025, USC ranked 5th nationally in passing offense and 8th in total offense, averaging 35.8 points per game. He also brought in the No. 1 recruiting class in the country for 2026.
Has he met USC's expectations of competing for national championships? No. Are his defenses a concern? Absolutely.
But there's a huge difference between not meeting USC's national championship expectations and being a bad football coach.
We're talking about a coach who knows how to recruit elite talent, develop quarterbacks, and produce some of the best offenses in college football. I certainly wouldn't dismiss him as a candidate for Baylor.
He's going to finish this season with a worse win percentage than Clay Helton -- over 50 points below USC's all-time win percentage.
If we can't call that failure, we can't call anything failure.
I came for the rumors, stayed for the overreactions.
Haha..well as least this time if heinterviews ..we know he's genuine and not playing us for a raise..how many times did he use us for a raise..Three?
OffshoreBear said:bear2be2 said:OffshoreBear said:bear2be2 said:OffshoreBear said:
Lincoln has a 76% winning percentage % and developed 3 Heisman winners. Of course he should be on the list as a top 3-4 candidate.
At blue blood programs, from which he ultimately fled (the SEC was too tough at OU) or will be fired (he's been trash at USC).
Lincoln Riley is soft as hell, and his team's reflect it.
Do not want. At all.
I think calling Riley's time at USC a failure is a little ridiculous when you actually look at the numbers.
He inherited a 4-8 team and went 11-3 his first year. He's 41-20 overall at USC, went 9-4 last year with a 7-2 Big Ten record, and is 6-2 this season.
In 2025, USC ranked 5th nationally in passing offense and 8th in total offense, averaging 35.8 points per game. He also brought in the No. 1 recruiting class in the country for 2026.
Has he met USC's expectations of competing for national championships? No. Are his defenses a concern? Absolutely.
But there's a huge difference between not meeting USC's national championship expectations and being a bad football coach.
We're talking about a coach who knows how to recruit elite talent, develop quarterbacks, and produce some of the best offenses in college football. I certainly wouldn't dismiss him as a candidate for Baylor.
He's going to finish this season with a worse win percentage than Clay Helton -- over 50 points below USC's all-time win percentage.
If we can't call that failure, we can't call anything failure.
you're right, he sucks and we shouldn't even look at him. We're Baylor. We got our pick of anyone we want.
You give up easily. At least try to refute the point I just made.
Sorry I don't share y'all's hard on for a guy who's going to finish this season 7-5 with a worse USC win percentage than Clay Helton. Who also happens to be a giant ****** canoe.
Well Baylor's got a shot at Jeff Traylor…. And a few on here think he's the 2nd coming of Saban. So that's a plus
IowaBear said:
Well Baylor's got a shot at Jeff Traylor…. And a few on here think he's the 2nd coming of Saban. So that's a plus
Jeff Traylor isn't a baby back *****. So he's certainly got that going for him over Riley's ****** ass.
He's also got a higher win percentage and more conference championships at his current school than Riley does, which is an even bigger plus.
The only hard on here is yours for Jeff Taylor…
The facts refute you. No sense just saying it over and over. Lincoln wouldn't come to Baylor anyway.bear2be2 said:OffshoreBear said:bear2be2 said:OffshoreBear said:bear2be2 said:OffshoreBear said:
Lincoln has a 76% winning percentage % and developed 3 Heisman winners. Of course he should be on the list as a top 3-4 candidate.
At blue blood programs, from which he ultimately fled (the SEC was too tough at OU) or will be fired (he's been trash at USC).
Lincoln Riley is soft as hell, and his team's reflect it.
Do not want. At all.
I think calling Riley's time at USC a failure is a little ridiculous when you actually look at the numbers.
He inherited a 4-8 team and went 11-3 his first year. He's 41-20 overall at USC, went 9-4 last year with a 7-2 Big Ten record, and is 6-2 this season.
In 2025, USC ranked 5th nationally in passing offense and 8th in total offense, averaging 35.8 points per game. He also brought in the No. 1 recruiting class in the country for 2026.
Has he met USC's expectations of competing for national championships? No. Are his defenses a concern? Absolutely.
But there's a huge difference between not meeting USC's national championship expectations and being a bad football coach.
We're talking about a coach who knows how to recruit elite talent, develop quarterbacks, and produce some of the best offenses in college football. I certainly wouldn't dismiss him as a candidate for Baylor.
He's going to finish this season with a worse win percentage than Clay Helton -- over 50 points below USC's all-time win percentage.
If we can't call that failure, we can't call anything failure.
you're right, he sucks and we shouldn't even look at him. We're Baylor. We got our pick of anyone we want.
You give up easily. At least try to refute the point I just made.
Sorry I don't share y'all's hard on for a guy who's going to finish this season 7-5 with a worse USC win percentage than Clay Helton. Who also happens to be a giant ****** canoe.
I came for the rumors, stayed for the overreactions.
OffshoreBear said:bear2be2 said:OffshoreBear said:bear2be2 said:OffshoreBear said:bear2be2 said:OffshoreBear said:
Lincoln has a 76% winning percentage % and developed 3 Heisman winners. Of course he should be on the list as a top 3-4 candidate.
At blue blood programs, from which he ultimately fled (the SEC was too tough at OU) or will be fired (he's been trash at USC).
Lincoln Riley is soft as hell, and his team's reflect it.
Do not want. At all.
I think calling Riley's time at USC a failure is a little ridiculous when you actually look at the numbers.
He inherited a 4-8 team and went 11-3 his first year. He's 41-20 overall at USC, went 9-4 last year with a 7-2 Big Ten record, and is 6-2 this season.
In 2025, USC ranked 5th nationally in passing offense and 8th in total offense, averaging 35.8 points per game. He also brought in the No. 1 recruiting class in the country for 2026.
Has he met USC's expectations of competing for national championships? No. Are his defenses a concern? Absolutely.
But there's a huge difference between not meeting USC's national championship expectations and being a bad football coach.
We're talking about a coach who knows how to recruit elite talent, develop quarterbacks, and produce some of the best offenses in college football. I certainly wouldn't dismiss him as a candidate for Baylor.
He's going to finish this season with a worse win percentage than Clay Helton -- over 50 points below USC's all-time win percentage.
If we can't call that failure, we can't call anything failure.
you're right, he sucks and we shouldn't even look at him. We're Baylor. We got our pick of anyone we want.
You give up easily. At least try to refute the point I just made.
Sorry I don't share y'all's hard on for a guy who's going to finish this season 7-5 with a worse USC win percentage than Clay Helton. Who also happens to be a giant ****** canoe.
The facts refute you. No sense just saying it over and over. Lincoln wouldn't come to Baylor anyway.
I hope you're right.
bear2be2 said:IowaBear said:
Well Baylor's got a shot at Jeff Traylor…. And a few on here think he's the 2nd coming of Saban. So that's a plus
Jeff Traylor isn't a baby back *****. So he's certainly got that going for him over Riley's ****** ass.
He's also got a higher win percentage and more conference championships at his current school than Riley does, which is an even bigger plus.
I'm not sold on Traylor. He went 6-6 in the regular season in both 2024 and 2025 playing in the American Conference. His teams went 2-10 on the road during those two seasons, blew a 35-7 halftime lead against Tulsa, and got embarrassed by Texas State and North Texas.
He's also won just one game against Power Four opponents in seven attempts.
Credit him for UTSA's success this year, but where's the evidence he can consistently win in the Big 12? Baylor needs more than another Group of Five gamble.
I came for the rumors, stayed for the overreactions.
OffshoreBear said:bear2be2 said:IowaBear said:
Well Baylor's got a shot at Jeff Traylor…. And a few on here think he's the 2nd coming of Saban. So that's a plus
Jeff Traylor isn't a baby back *****. So he's certainly got that going for him over Riley's ****** ass.
He's also got a higher win percentage and more conference championships at his current school than Riley does, which is an even bigger plus.
I'm not sold on Traylor. He went 6-6 in the regular season in both 2024 and 2025 playing in the American Conference. His teams went 2-10 on the road during those two seasons, blew a 35-7 halftime lead against Tulsa, and got embarrassed by Texas State and North Texas.
He's also won just one game against Power Four opponents in seven attempts.
Credit him for UTSA's success this year, but where's the evidence he can consistently win in the Big 12? Baylor needs more than another Group of Five gamble.
Where was the evidence that Art Briles could win in the Big 12 when he was at Houston posting a win percentage 140 points below Traylor's at UTSA? Or Willie Fritz, when he was posting a .535 win percentage at Tulane.
Believe or not, context matters. Great coaches with lesser resources are not going to win as frequently as mediocre coaches with elite resources. When looking for a coach to win in the Big 12, I would waaaaaayyyyy rather hire the guy who has overachieved relative to his resources than underachieved because we're never going to have elite resources.
Give Traylor Baylor's resources and he will be a Willie Fritz type in the Big 12. The guy just wins.
I don't really care that he's had up & down seasons. That'll be the norm for G6 coaches most years with roster poaching.
My concern is his dog**** defenses. Which ironically is a big knock on Riley.. apparently Traylor gets a pass for fielding bad defenses regularly
My concern is his dog**** defenses. Which ironically is a big knock on Riley.. apparently Traylor gets a pass for fielding bad defenses regularly
IowaBear said:
I don't really care that he's had up & down seasons. That'll be the norm for G6 coaches most years with roster poaching.
My concern is his dog**** defenses. Which ironically is a big knock on Riley.. apparently Traylor gets a pass for fielding bad defenses regularly
His defenses aren't dog***** This year's unit is currently 59th in SP+ and it's been middle of the pack most years he's been at UTSA despite dog**** resources.
The only bad defenses he's had were in 2024 and 2025. Every other unit has been solid (particularly relative to UTSA's conference peers).
And acting as though there is any excuse whatsoever to field any unit that is weak at Oklahoma or USC is where this conversation breaks down. Riley has every resource he could ever want and still fields soft-ass football teams. Traylor has never in his career led a resource-advantaged program, and he's still won at a remarkably consistent level.
bear2be2 said:OffshoreBear said:bear2be2 said:IowaBear said:
Well Baylor's got a shot at Jeff Traylor…. And a few on here think he's the 2nd coming of Saban. So that's a plus
Jeff Traylor isn't a baby back *****. So he's certainly got that going for him over Riley's ****** ass.
He's also got a higher win percentage and more conference championships at his current school than Riley does, which is an even bigger plus.
I'm not sold on Traylor. He went 6-6 in the regular season in both 2024 and 2025 playing in the American Conference. His teams went 2-10 on the road during those two seasons, blew a 35-7 halftime lead against Tulsa, and got embarrassed by Texas State and North Texas.
He's also won just one game against Power Four opponents in seven attempts.
Credit him for UTSA's success this year, but where's the evidence he can consistently win in the Big 12? Baylor needs more than another Group of Five gamble.
Where was the evidence that Art Briles could win in the Big 12 when he was at Houston posting a win percentage 140 points below Traylor's at UTSA? Or Willie Fritz, when he was posting a .535 win percentage at Tulane.
Believe or not, context matters. Great coaches with lesser resources are not going to win as frequently as mediocre coaches with elite resources. When looking for a coach to win in the Big 12, I would waaaaaayyyyy rather hire the guy who has overachieved relative to his resources than underachieved because we're never going to have elite resources.
Give Traylor Baylor's resources and he will be a Willie Fritz type in the Big 12. The guy just wins.
Context absolutely matters. Briles went 18-8 his final two years at Houston and won a conference championship. Fritz went 23-4 his final two years at Tulane, won the AAC and beat USC in the Cotton Bowl.
Traylor deserves credit for his two C-USA titles, but he followed those with back-to-back 7-6 seasons, went 4-4 in the AAC both years, and was 2-10 on the road.
I'll give him credit for being 7-1 this year, but assuming Baylor's resources automatically turn him into Willie Fritz is a pretty big leap.
I'm not saying Traylor can't win at Baylor. I'm saying there are legitimate reasons to question whether he's the right hire. His overall winning percentage doesn't tell the whole story either.
I came for the rumors, stayed for the overreactions.
26ppg allowed and almost 400 yards per game allowed this season against some atrocious offenses as a whole. Nobody has said Riley has an excuse. Not 1 person. That's something you made up because people don't share your opinion. We can dog Riley all we want about his defenses. Traylors defenses have been bad. And that's a cause for concern for me personally. I understand he's your #1 and presumably a can't miss prospect. That's fine. But I personally have reservations and concerns… like I do with every option on the table
IowaBear said:
26ppg allowed and almost 400 yards per game allowed this season against some atrocious offenses as a whole. Nobody has said Riley has an excuse. Not 1 person. That's something you made up because people don't share your opinion. We can dog Riley all we want about his defenses. Traylors defenses have been bad. And that's a cause for concern for me personally. I understand he's your #1 and presumably a can't miss prospect. That's fine. But I personally have reservations and concerns… like I do with every option on the table
There's no such thing as a "can't miss" coaching hire. There's a level of risk with any hire. But we could address Traylor's defense pretty easily by providing him the necessary funds to hire the best DC possible.
You can't make Lincoln Riley value defense or physicality, particularly when his camp would likely be acting like they're doing us a favor by taking our job in the first place.
I would envision a Lincoln Riley tenure at Baylor looking like a slightly better Kliff Kingsbury tenure at Tech. And because of what the contract it would require to get him signed, we'd be stuck with him for about as long.
I don't think we have or are willing to spend 70 million just to buy him out of USC. It would cost USC about 150 million (estimate) to fire him this season and his staff. I don't think he is going anywhere because of that.
PartyBear said:
I don't think we have or are willing to spend 70 million just to buy him out of USC. It would cost USC about 150 million (estimate) to fire him this season and his staff. I don't think he is going anywhere because of that.
There wouldn't be any such buyout as both sides likely want an amicable divorce. As it is now, USC wants to fire him but can't, and Riley has been rumored to want out for over a year now.
The two sides would work something out behind the scenes that would allow both to save face and buyout money. But they can work that deal out with another program, as far as I'm concerned.
bear2be2 said:Quinton said:
I believe he's literally averaged just under 9 overall and in the pac it was over 9.
I think he would be - even with Bu resources (which now that the Dave boycott is over will be top 3rd in the league) - the best offensive recruiter in the conference.
Defense and toughness criticism is fair but I think he's being underrated.
He has a .672 win percentage at USC. Over 12 games, that's 8.06 wins. Over 13, it's 8.74.
He barely has a better win percentage there than Clay Helton had (.657), and there's a very good chance he dips below that number this year with games remaining against Ohio State, Indiana and UCLA.
Off of 4-8 the year before he came. I get you knocking the guy -- again not my first choice -- but I think you're just wrong here.
Quinton said:bear2be2 said:Quinton said:
I believe he's literally averaged just under 9 overall and in the pac it was over 9.
I think he would be - even with Bu resources (which now that the Dave boycott is over will be top 3rd in the league) - the best offensive recruiter in the conference.
Defense and toughness criticism is fair but I think he's being underrated.
He has a .672 win percentage at USC. Over 12 games, that's 8.06 wins. Over 13, it's 8.74.
He barely has a better win percentage there than Clay Helton had (.657), and there's a very good chance he dips below that number this year with games remaining against Ohio State, Indiana and UCLA.
Off of 4-8 the year before he came. I get you knocking the guy -- again not my first choice -- but I think you're just wrong here.
About what? He's going to go at best 8-4 this year, and that will likely require either a win over shorthanded Ohio State or a UCLA team that is just better on paper than USC is.
That will make his records since the Cotton Bowl season ...
2023: 8-5
2024: 7-6
2025: 9-4
2026: 7-5 or 8-4
What about that am I supposed to be impressed by exactly?
And just so we're all on the same page, coaches' records don't usually get better when they go from blue blood programs to non-blue bloods. They usually just fade into oblivion at that point.
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