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I'm feeling a little better about the win yesterday.

Brewer is legit and for once it seemed like a college team out there.

The Big 12 is going to be interesting going forward. I don't see Campbell staying at ISU and Herman is not showing a lot with a much more talented roster than Rhule inherited. If Rhule had beaten UTSA and Liberty, Texas would barely be above Baylor in the standings.

Both Strong and Herman have had Top 10 classes, but... Wow... neither of them can seem to field a complete team. Someone on here showed how similar their backgrounds are, and I think its becoming clear that Texas just fired one side of the coin and have now gotten 'tails.

It's awesome watching their post game press conferences now. Herman is squirming and stumbling over his words in his throaty voice.

I'll bet Rhule wins more than Herman in Year 2, with Charlie a mature true Soph.

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Yes I agree. I live in Austin. Awesome to have watched here all the Whorns who thought Herman was the 2nd coming of Saban/Meyer and now realizing he may have been a one trick pony.. He's still going to be a good coach, but I'm not sure he'll transcend to that next level of greatness like so many people thought.

I'd hold off on that. I may be wrong, but I think he's going to be good. He's probably going to have a top 10 class, and if they can find a QB, they're going to be tough. Their defense already is.

I hope I'm wrong.

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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I'd hold off on that. I may be wrong, but I think he's going to be good. He's probably going to have a top 10 class, and if they can find a QB, they're going to be tough. Their defense already is.

I hope I'm wrong.

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Hasn't that been the UT narrative ever since Colt McCoy graduated?

I suspect Tom Herman has a high ceiling...but he's still a pretty unknown quantity right now. Before coming to UT he had only been a HC for 2 years. He took over a UH team that had gone 8-5 its previous 2 seasons. So he wasn't walking into a bad situation.

His first year was damn good going 13-1 with a Peach Bowl win over FSU. But then they took a step back last year going 9-3.

That first season he was obviously winning with the recruits he inherited. He hasn't been anywhere long enough to really get a true feel for what he brings as a HC. Kind of like Lincoln Riley right now. Time will tell.

Too early to predict success or failure for either coach beyond this one year. This year alone...both would be failures. Misery loves company. If we are having a bad year...helps a little more knowing UT is as well, and they don't have half the excuses.

PrideBU said:

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I'm feeling a little better about the win yesterday.

Brewer is legit and for once it seemed like a college team out there.

The Big 12 is going to be interesting going forward. I don't see Campbell staying at ISU and Herman is not showing a lot with a much more talented roster than Rhule inherited. If Rhule had beaten UTSA and Liberty, Texas would barely be above Baylor in the standings.

Both Strong and Herman have had Top 10 classes, but... Wow... neither of them can seem to field a complete team. Someone on here showed how similar their backgrounds are, and I think its becoming clear that Texas just fired one side of the coin and have now gotten 'tails.

It's awesome watching their post game press conferences now. Herman is squirming and stumbling over his words in his throaty voice.

I'll bet Rhule wins more than Herman in Year 2, with Charlie a mature true Soph.

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Pretty sure they would still be exactly as they are today.

timetraveler said:

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Rhule lost to Liberty and UTSA. He isn't going to win more than 3 games next year. He is a horrible coach.

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You have a full year to look for a great crow recipe. When you find it, be sure to share it.

Herman brought his own hardship with him; a mouthy wife with a Twitter account.

I suspect she will tone it down when things are good but when the questions get tough, not a chance.

As long as she is spouting off, he will never live up to his potential. Gouding her into over-reacting will become sport around Austin talk radio.

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timetraveler said:

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Rhule lost to Liberty and UTSA. He isn't going to win more than 3 games next year. He is a horrible coach.

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You have a full year to look for a great crow recipe. When you find it, be sure to share it.

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It's Rhule's job to serve crow. I hope he is competent to do that.

Herman's defense has gotten much more consistent than Charlie's..and this is just year one. His offense is terrible without a dynamic qb. So they look better to me but still very mediocre

dr_marvin said:

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This post is kind of laughable. I dislike the Horns more than anyone, but they are going to be really good under Herman. They have the best defense in the Big 12 and they have a multitude of injuries on offense (a patchwork offensive line similar to BU) that is holding them back.

They lost to USC by a FG, to Okie St. by a FG, and OU by 5 points, defeated a pretty good K-State team, and won at Iowa St. With a healthy OL next year and a healthy Sam or new QB, they are going to be very good team unfortunately.

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Good to know Baylor's close calls with OU and WVU must mean we're going to be good once we aren't banged up and no longer have a patchwork OL..

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MilliVanilli said:

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dr_marvin said:

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This post is kind of laughable. I dislike the Horns more than anyone, but they are going to be really good under Herman. They have the best defense in the Big 12 and they have a multitude of injuries on offense (a patchwork offensive line similar to BU) that is holding them back.

They lost to USC by a FG, to Okie St. by a FG, and OU by 5 points, defeated a pretty good K-State team, and won at Iowa St. With a healthy OL next year and a healthy Sam or new QB, they are going to be very good team unfortunately.

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Good to know Baylor's close calls with OU and WVU must mean we're going to be good once we aren't banged up and no longer have a patchwork OL..

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I must have missed where I even remotely discussed anything BU related in that post.

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It's just that if your standard for UT is true then Baylor must be on the brink of greatness itself.

It's foolish to judged any HC based upon only one year on the job. Right now, the record of Rhule, et al is terrible but they came into a bad situation and practically had to build from scratch. Remember: we had one recruit when the new coaches came in.

That said, some of the play calling and other decisions leads to the conclusion that they don't know enough about offense. Yesterday's win may help to dispel some of those concerns but it was against Kansas (probably a stouter team than Liberty or UTSA but hardly a tough opponent). Time will tell. If the team can build upon what they accomplished this time and it leads to more wins--starting Saturday in Arlington--then we will see some promise of a brighter future.

I'm very discouraged with this season, like most Baylor fans, but I'm still in "wait and see" mode. One really positive note for 2018 & 2019: our young players now going through all these trials are gaining real experience and growing from game to game, often showing flashes of brilliance. We have every reason to expect much more from them in the future. We shall see.

MilliVanilli said:

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dr_marvin said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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dr_marvin said:

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This post is kind of laughable. I dislike the Horns more than anyone, but they are going to be really good under Herman. They have the best defense in the Big 12 and they have a multitude of injuries on offense (a patchwork offensive line similar to BU) that is holding them back.

They lost to USC by a FG, to Okie St. by a FG, and OU by 5 points, defeated a pretty good K-State team, and won at Iowa St. With a healthy OL next year and a healthy Sam or new QB, they are going to be very good team unfortunately.

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Good to know Baylor's close calls with OU and WVU must mean we're going to be good once we aren't banged up and no longer have a patchwork OL..

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I must have missed where I even remotely discussed anything BU related in that post.

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It's just that if your standard for UT is true then Baylor must be on the brink of greatness itself.

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I didn't realize BU had the best defense in the Big 12.

dr_marvin said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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dr_marvin said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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dr_marvin said:

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This post is kind of laughable. I dislike the Horns more than anyone, but they are going to be really good under Herman. They have the best defense in the Big 12 and they have a multitude of injuries on offense (a patchwork offensive line similar to BU) that is holding them back.

They lost to USC by a FG, to Okie St. by a FG, and OU by 5 points, defeated a pretty good K-State team, and won at Iowa St. With a healthy OL next year and a healthy Sam or new QB, they are going to be very good team unfortunately.

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Good to know Baylor's close calls with OU and WVU must mean we're going to be good once we aren't banged up and no longer have a patchwork OL..

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I must have missed where I even remotely discussed anything BU related in that post.

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It's just that if your standard for UT is true then Baylor must be on the brink of greatness itself.

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I didn't realize BU had the best defense in the Big 12.

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Almost wins and injuries are part of your excuses for UT, Baylor has had both in spades.

MilliVanilli said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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I'd hold off on that. I may be wrong, but I think he's going to be good. He's probably going to have a top 10 class, and if they can find a QB, they're going to be tough. Their defense already is.

I hope I'm wrong.

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Hasn't that been the UT narrative ever since Colt McCoy graduated?

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Pretty much. Mack Brown used the "young team" excuse for his last 4 years. Then Chollie used the "young team" excuse because he ran off Brown's lazy players. Herman is going thru his cycle of excuses.

What does race have to do with this?

SicThe12 said:

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What does race have to do with this?

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Punctuation and capitalization can be powerful tools. They can be the difference between brown players and Brown's players. It can also be the difference in "Help Jack off the horse" or "Help jack off the horse."

dr_marvin said:

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This post is kind of laughable. I dislike the Horns more than anyone, but they are going to be really good under Herman. They have the best defense in the Big 12 and they have a multitude of injuries on offense (a patchwork offensive line similar to BU) that is holding them back.

They lost to USC by a FG, to Okie St. by a FG, and OU by 5 points, defeated a pretty good K-State team, and won at Iowa St. With a healthy OL next year and a healthy Sam or new QB, they are going to be very good team unfortunately.

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Without a decent QB -- and nothing like that exists on UT's roster at the moment -- Texas will be stuck in .500redsville ...

Which is fine by me.

Now -- If only WE could beat a .500redsville team ...

Compounding said:

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Herman's defense has gotten much more consistent than Charlie's..and this is just year one. His offense is terrible without a dynamic qb. So they look better to me but still very mediocre

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that Ehlinger is going to be good Sorry, I know I spelled his name wrong. Our Brewer is good

A mouthy wife won't let him live up to his potential???

That's rich

Jeez, Milli...I thought you'd tone it down after the admins put you in timeout. You're still spouting off like an a$$ though. At no point did any of this conversation become personal until you started posting. A healthy conversation about the pro/con of Rhule vs Herman is a worthwhile conversation. Keep the personal crap out of it.

I think Herman's biggest problem may be Strong's as well: they had the misfortune of coaching at Texas, a toxic atmosphere.

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Compounding said:

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Herman's defense has gotten much more consistent than Charlie's..and this is just year one. His offense is terrible without a dynamic qb. So they look better to me but still very mediocre

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that Ehlinger is going to be good Sorry, I know I spelled his name wrong. Our Brewer is good

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Im not sure about it. But even if he will be, he's already been concussed multiple times. Will be very hard to stay healthy.

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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I'd hold off on that. I may be wrong, but I think he's going to be good. He's probably going to have a top 10 class, and if they can find a QB, they're going to be tough. Their defense already is.

I hope I'm wrong.

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Top 10 in the big 12?


Edit reading compression on my part.

MilliVanilli said:

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timetraveler said:

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Rhule lost to Liberty and UTSA. He isn't going to win more than 3 games next year. He is a horrible coach.

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Thanks, Art.

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Yeah. That bum gave us two conference championships and put us on the map.

I'm excited about moral victories and pickle juice like it used to be.

tommie said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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timetraveler said:

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Rhule lost to Liberty and UTSA. He isn't going to win more than 3 games next year. He is a horrible coach.

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Thanks, Art.

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Yeah. That's bum gave us two conference championships and put us on the map.

I'm excited about moral victories and pickle juice like it used to be.

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You're right, Briles did do great things here. He also got himself a surprise unwanted early retirement.

Rhule does derserve some of the criticism, but a win is a win and we looked good doing it. Enjoy it and hope we can build from it.

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tommie said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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timetraveler said:

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Rhule lost to Liberty and UTSA. He isn't going to win more than 3 games next year. He is a horrible coach.

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Thanks, Art.

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Yeah. That's bum gave us two conference championships and put us on the map.

I'm excited about moral victories and pickle juice like it used to be.

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You're right, Briles did do great things here. He also got himself a surprise unwanted early retirement.

Rhule does derserve some of the criticism, but a win is a win and we looked good doing it. Enjoy it and hope we can build from it.

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He deserves every bit of criticism that he's earned. Same for Briles.

My grade on Rhule is "wait and see" but there are some things that have me concerned. One of them is the S&C program. Our stamina appears to be way down from previous years.

So Texas is not back?