It's an honest question. Rhule has never been a position coach, OC/DC, HC at a P5 school. That is NOT the norm when you look at the resumes of successful P5 coaches. Matt Campbell comes to mind but to call him successful at this stage is premature.

Anyone?

Rhule was the DL coach at UCLA.

And other than 2 years as RB coach at Tech, Briles didn't bring any significant P5 coaching experience. Did he work out ok (other than the whole program management issues)?

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Rhule was the DL coach at UCLA.

And other than 2 years as RB coach at Tech, Briles didn't bring any significant P5 coaching experience. Did he work out ok (other than the whole program management issues)?

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Rhule was an assistant DL coach, that's basically being a GA.

And you can't make a point saying "other than two years" By that logic other than two years, Rhule has never had a winning season.

See how that works?

Grant Teaff says "Hi". And if you say that was before "P5" you also have to accept that "P5" does not have a long history, which makes the question picking facts to support an agenda.

Everything in history has a first. If it didn't, we would still be living in caves.

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Grant Teaff says "Hi". And if you say that was before "P5" you also have to accept that "P5" does not have a long history, which makes the question picking facts to support an agenda.

Everything in history has a first. If it didn't, we would still be living in caves.

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He coached at Tech, nice try. Also looking to 35 years ago for an example? HAHA

Okay so P5, BCS, whatever. Major College football confrence teams. Give me some names.

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blackie said:

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Grant Teaff says "Hi". And if you say that was before "P5" you also have to accept that "P5" does not have a long history, which makes the question picking facts to support an agenda.

Everything in history has a first. If it didn't, we would still be living in caves.

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He coached at Tech, nice try. Also looking to 35 years ago for an example? HAHA

Okay so P5, BCS, whatever. Major College football confrence teams. Give me some names.

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Why don't you do the research your damn self? It's not on us to prove some ridiculous hypothetical to you. Come with some facts, then we can have a substantive conversation.

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SicThe12 said:

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blackie said:

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Grant Teaff says "Hi". And if you say that was before "P5" you also have to accept that "P5" does not have a long history, which makes the question picking facts to support an agenda.

Everything in history has a first. If it didn't, we would still be living in caves.

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He coached at Tech, nice try. Also looking to 35 years ago for an example? HAHA

Okay so P5, BCS, whatever. Major College football confrence teams. Give me some names.

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Why don't you do the research your damn self? It's not on us to prove some ridiculous hypothetical to you. Come with some facts, then we can have a substantive conversation.

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So none.

Edit: Also I don't think you know what hypothetical means.

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Mitch Henessey said:

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SicThe12 said:

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blackie said:

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Grant Teaff says "Hi". And if you say that was before "P5" you also have to accept that "P5" does not have a long history, which makes the question picking facts to support an agenda.

Everything in history has a first. If it didn't, we would still be living in caves.

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He coached at Tech, nice try. Also looking to 35 years ago for an example? HAHA

Okay so P5, BCS, whatever. Major College football confrence teams. Give me some names.

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Why don't you do the research your damn self? It's not on us to prove some ridiculous hypothetical to you. Come with some facts, then we can have a substantive conversation.

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So none.

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No, the correct response from you would have been, "I'm too lazy to look it up, so I'm just going to make baseless claims in the hopes that everyone else is just as lazy as I am and then we can go forward with my original hypothesis as a false narrative."

This isn't that difficult, but you're making it seem like it is.

Baseless claims? There's a base. No one with Rhules resume has been successful. Ever. The end.

Mitch Henessey said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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SicThe12 said:

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blackie said:

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Grant Teaff says "Hi". And if you say that was before "P5" you also have to accept that "P5" does not have a long history, which makes the question picking facts to support an agenda.

Everything in history has a first. If it didn't, we would still be living in caves.

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He coached at Tech, nice try. Also looking to 35 years ago for an example? HAHA

Okay so P5, BCS, whatever. Major College football confrence teams. Give me some names.

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Why don't you do the research your damn self? It's not on us to prove some ridiculous hypothetical to you. Come with some facts, then we can have a substantive conversation.

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So none.

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No, the correct response from you would have been, "I'm too lazy to look it up, so I'm just going to make baseless claims in the hopes that everyone else is just as lazy as I am and then we can go forward with my original hypothesis as a false narrative."

This isn't that difficult, but you're making it seem like it is.

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Ironic because you were to lazy to check if Teaff worked at TTU before you threw his name out there. Lazy!

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Baseless claims? There's a base. No one with Rhules resume has been successful. Ever. The end.

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Please, dazzle us with all the research you've done into this subject. Not to mention that in order to make up this line of thinking, you had to creatively discount the fact that Rhule was, in fact, a coach at UCLA.

Rhule played P5 ball under a coach that won 2 NCs and was the AFCA COY 5 times in four different decades. He knows what big-time college ball is all about. That's not his problem.

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Mitch Henessey said:

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SicThe12 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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SicThe12 said:

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blackie said:

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Grant Teaff says "Hi". And if you say that was before "P5" you also have to accept that "P5" does not have a long history, which makes the question picking facts to support an agenda.

Everything in history has a first. If it didn't, we would still be living in caves.

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He coached at Tech, nice try. Also looking to 35 years ago for an example? HAHA

Okay so P5, BCS, whatever. Major College football confrence teams. Give me some names.

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Why don't you do the research your damn self? It's not on us to prove some ridiculous hypothetical to you. Come with some facts, then we can have a substantive conversation.

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So none.

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No, the correct response from you would have been, "I'm too lazy to look it up, so I'm just going to make baseless claims in the hopes that everyone else is just as lazy as I am and then we can go forward with my original hypothesis as a false narrative."

This isn't that difficult, but you're making it seem like it is.

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Ironic because you were to lazy to check if Teaff worked at TTU before you threw his name out there. Lazy!

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Check the thread, oh wise one. I didn't mention Teaff. Reading comprehension is your friend.

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Baseless claims? There's a base. No one with Rhules resume has been successful. Ever. The end.

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Please, dazzle us with all the research you've done into this subject. Not to mention that in order to make up this line of thinking, you had to creatively discount the fact that Rhule was, in fact, a coach at UCLA.

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Assitant TO the defensive line coach. Not the DL coach. Glorified GA.

is that kind of like assistant to the regional manager?

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is that kind of like assistant to the regional manager?

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indeed it is Dwight, indeed it is.

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blackie said:

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Grant Teaff says "Hi". And if you say that was before "P5" you also have to accept that "P5" does not have a long history, which makes the question picking facts to support an agenda.

Everything in history has a first. If it didn't, we would still be living in caves.

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He coached at Tech, nice try. Also looking to 35 years ago for an example? HAHA

Okay so P5, BCS, whatever. Major College football confrence teams. Give me some names.

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And Teaff came to Baylor from McMurray. I bet you were impressed with that. What does the statistic prove one way or another as far as the future success of any coach?

Nobody is happy with this season, and I am not sure what your agenda is with this question, although I can probably guess. Most of the posts I read on this board are no different than what was found on BaylorFans for years. People tend to find fault with the performance of others while justifying away their own failures and mistakes.

Are you one of those that sold Apple when it got down to 22. Nobody here should bet their life on whether this coaching staff is a success or a failure based on what we have seen thus far. You would be a complete idiot to do so at this point. You don't ditch a long-term decision or support because of a first season considering the handicaps placed on this program, whether it came because of the May 2015 actions that destroyed viable recruiting for two straight years, essentially the loss of both lines due to attrition or injuries, and having to spin a positive light on a crappy public image of the university to get people to even consider coming here.

This mess of a season (and the last half of last, as well) and the status of the program is on one group..... the BOR and their buddies in Pat Neff. They completely botched the whole thing. We blindly thought, and justifiably so, that we had people running the university that knew how to run a billion dollar corporation, which is what Baylor really is. They panicked and we all got thrown under the bus. They still have yet to offer the alumni or students an apology for all the sh** they allowed to go on for decades and then their failure to defend the university and its students from being portrayed by many as the scum of the earth. Any loyalty or trust of the administration will never be regained in my remaining life.

Given this, I don't know how you expected any better coaching hire on paper that we could have done......and for any less money. We were the stinking spot in a pile of sh**. Regardless of the money if you were concerned about your career would you want to take a job at a company that was portrayed in the press and by many private citizens as the rape center of the world and risk your career on that with the distinct possibility that worse things would come out after you took the job?

Talk all about facilities and talent you want. The talent was not on the lines. And I don't care who you got in the backfield, without a line you got nothing. From where I sat back in the summer hearing who was left and who was injured, I had no expectations for this season. I tend to keep any judgment on this staff in my head until I see a long term pattern emerging. I do see potential with this team. The question being is the real situation being shown in the OU, WVU, and TT (without the unforced turnovers) games or in the OSU and UT games. This next recruiting class and next season will paint a much clearer picture. You really don't have a choice. Nobody is going anywhere for a while, especially not based on any of the anonymous yelling on this board.

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SicThe12 said:

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blackie said:

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Grant Teaff says "Hi". And if you say that was before "P5" you also have to accept that "P5" does not have a long history, which makes the question picking facts to support an agenda.

Everything in history has a first. If it didn't, we would still be living in caves.

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He coached at Tech, nice try. Also looking to 35 years ago for an example? HAHA

Okay so P5, BCS, whatever. Major College football confrence teams. Give me some names.

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And Teaff came to Baylor from McMurray. I bet you were impressed with that. What does the statistic prove one way or another as far as the future success of any coach?

Nobody is happy with this season, and I am not sure what your agenda is with this question, although I can probably guess. Most of the posts I read on this board are no different than what was found on BaylorFans for years. People tend to find fault with the performance of others while justifying away their own failures and mistakes.

Are you one of those that sold Apple when it got down to 22. Nobody here should bet their life on whether this coaching staff is a success or a failure based on what we have seen thus far. You would be a complete idiot to do so at this point. You don't ditch a long-term decision or support because of a first season considering the handicaps placed on this program, whether it came because of the May 2015 actions that destroyed viable recruiting for two straight years, essentially the loss of both lines due to attrition or injuries, and having to spin a positive light on a crappy public image of the university to get people to even consider coming here.

This mess of a season (and the last half of last, as well) and the status of the program is on one group..... the BOR and their buddies in Pat Neff. They completely botched the whole thing. We blindly thought, and justifiably so, that we had people running the university that knew how to run a billion dollar corporation, which is what Baylor really is. They panicked and we all got thrown under the bus. They still have yet to offer the alumni or students an apology for all the sh** they allowed to go on for decades and then their failure to defend the university and its students from being portrayed by many as the scum of the earth. Any loyalty or trust of the administration will never be regained in my remaining life.

Given this, I don't know how you expected any better coaching hire on paper that we could have done......and for any less money. We were the stinking spot in a pile of sh**. Regardless of the money if you were concerned about your career would you want to take a job at a company that was portrayed in the press and by many private citizens as the rape center of the world and risk your career on that with the distinct possibility that worse things would come out after you took the job?

Talk all about facilities and talent you want. The talent was not on the lines. And I don't care who you got in the backfield, without a line you got nothing. From where I sat back in the summer hearing who was left and who was injured, I had no expectations for this season. I tend to keep any judgment on this staff in my head until I see a long term pattern emerging. I do see potential with this team. The question being is the real situation being shown in the OU, WVU, and TT (without the unforced turnovers) games or in the OSU and UT games. This next recruiting class and next season will paint a much clearer picture. You really don't have a choice. Nobody is going anywhere for a while, especially not based on any of the anonymous yelling on this board.

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I'm not reading this. Just looking for names of coaches. Sorry.

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I'm not reading this. Just looking for names of coaches. Sorry.

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SicThe12 said:

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I'm not reading this. Just looking for names of coaches. Sorry.

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sooooo..... none.

Paul Johnson
Brian Kelly
Chris Peterson
Jim Harbaugh

Did you even think about this before you posted it?

Harbaugh doesn't count. He was an nfl head coach. Or maybe he does.

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Harbaugh doesn't count. He was an nfl head coach. Or maybe he does.

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He doesn't count? He falls into the stupid parameters the OP set, so why not?

placebo said:

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Paul Johnson
Brian Kelly
Chris Peterson
Jim Harbaugh

Did you even think about this before you posted it?

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Chris Peterson coached at Pitt. Wrong
Johnson coached at Navy who had a BCS schedule. Wrong
Harbaugh was an NFL head coach, so whatever.

Brian Kelly is the only comparable one.

We got ourselves the second coming of Brian Kelly boys!

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placebo said:

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Paul Johnson
Brian Kelly
Chris Peterson
Jim Harbaugh

Did you even think about this before you posted it?

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Chris Peterson coached at Pitt. Wrong
Johnson coached at Navy who had a BCS schedule. Wrong
Harbaugh was an NFL head coach, so whatever.

Brian Kelly is the only comparable one.

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Navy isn't P5; you can't change your own rules. Harbaugh fits too.

placebo said:

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SicThe12 said:

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placebo said:

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Paul Johnson
Brian Kelly
Chris Peterson
Jim Harbaugh

Did you even think about this before you posted it?

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Chris Peterson coached at Pitt. Wrong
Johnson coached at Navy who had a BCS schedule. Wrong
Harbaugh was an NFL head coach, so whatever.

Brian Kelly is the only comparable one.

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Navy isn't P5; you can't change your own rules. Harbaugh fits too.

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If 1995* Navy doesn't count as BCS/P5, then neither does 2017 notre dame.

SicThe12 said:

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placebo said:

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SicThe12 said:

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placebo said:

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Paul Johnson
Brian Kelly
Chris Peterson
Jim Harbaugh

Did you even think about this before you posted it?

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Chris Peterson coached at Pitt. Wrong
Johnson coached at Navy who had a BCS schedule. Wrong
Harbaugh was an NFL head coach, so whatever.

Brian Kelly is the only comparable one.

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Navy isn't P5; you can't change your own rules. Harbaugh fits too.

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If 2004 Navy doesn't count as BCS, then neither does 2017 notre dame.

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The schedules are hardly comparable. Tulsa, Duke, Vandy, Rice, Army, Air Force, New Mexico vs. Michigan State, Miami, NC State, USC, Georgia, Stanford.

Also -

Jim Mora

placebo said:

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SicThe12 said:

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placebo said:

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SicThe12 said:

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placebo said:

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Paul Johnson
Brian Kelly
Chris Peterson
Jim Harbaugh

Did you even think about this before you posted it?

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Chris Peterson coached at Pitt. Wrong
Johnson coached at Navy who had a BCS schedule. Wrong
Harbaugh was an NFL head coach, so whatever.

Brian Kelly is the only comparable one.

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Navy isn't P5; you can't change your own rules. Harbaugh fits too.

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If 2004 Navy doesn't count as BCS, then neither does 2017 notre dame.

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The schedules are hardly comparable. Tulsa, Duke, Vandy, Rice, Army, Air Force, New Mexico vs. Michigan State, Miami, NC State, USC, Georgia, Stanford.

Also -

Jim Mora

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their 1995 schedule is the correct one, because that's when he was an OC. Played 5 BCS teams and the 2 other Service academies.

I guess you could just list every coach who jumped the NFL ship and went to NCAA. Which really doesn't apply to Matty boi does it

Frank Beamer

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placebo said:

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SicThe12 said:

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placebo said:

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SicThe12 said:

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placebo said:

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Paul Johnson
Brian Kelly
Chris Peterson
Jim Harbaugh

Did you even think about this before you posted it?

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Chris Peterson coached at Pitt. Wrong
Johnson coached at Navy who had a BCS schedule. Wrong
Harbaugh was an NFL head coach, so whatever.

Brian Kelly is the only comparable one.

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Navy isn't P5; you can't change your own rules. Harbaugh fits too.

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If 2004 Navy doesn't count as BCS, then neither does 2017 notre dame.

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The schedules are hardly comparable. Tulsa, Duke, Vandy, Rice, Army, Air Force, New Mexico vs. Michigan State, Miami, NC State, USC, Georgia, Stanford.

Also -

Jim Mora

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their 1995 schedule is the correct one, because that's when he was an OC. Played 5 BCS teams and the 2 other Service academies.

I guess you could just list every coach who jumped the NFL ship and went to NCAA. Which really doesn't apply to Matty boi does it

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But it does apply to the question you asked.

placebo said:

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SicThe12 said:

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placebo said:

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SicThe12 said:

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placebo said:

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SicThe12 said:

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placebo said:

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Paul Johnson
Brian Kelly
Chris Peterson
Jim Harbaugh

Did you even think about this before you posted it?

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Chris Peterson coached at Pitt. Wrong
Johnson coached at Navy who had a BCS schedule. Wrong
Harbaugh was an NFL head coach, so whatever.

Brian Kelly is the only comparable one.

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Navy isn't P5; you can't change your own rules. Harbaugh fits too.

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If 2004 Navy doesn't count as BCS, then neither does 2017 notre dame.

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The schedules are hardly comparable. Tulsa, Duke, Vandy, Rice, Army, Air Force, New Mexico vs. Michigan State, Miami, NC State, USC, Georgia, Stanford.

Also -

Jim Mora

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their 1995 schedule is the correct one, because that's when he was an OC. Played 5 BCS teams and the 2 other Service academies.

I guess you could just list every coach who jumped the NFL ship and went to NCAA. Which really doesn't apply to Matty boi does it

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But it does apply to the question you asked.

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Touche, that being said. Mora is not a success.

Gary Patterson

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SicThe12 said:

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placebo said:

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SicThe12 said:

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placebo said:

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SicThe12 said:

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placebo said:

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Paul Johnson
Brian Kelly
Chris Peterson
Jim Harbaugh

Did you even think about this before you posted it?

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Chris Peterson coached at Pitt. Wrong
Johnson coached at Navy who had a BCS schedule. Wrong
Harbaugh was an NFL head coach, so whatever.

Brian Kelly is the only comparable one.

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Navy isn't P5; you can't change your own rules. Harbaugh fits too.

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If 2004 Navy doesn't count as BCS, then neither does 2017 notre dame.

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The schedules are hardly comparable. Tulsa, Duke, Vandy, Rice, Army, Air Force, New Mexico vs. Michigan State, Miami, NC State, USC, Georgia, Stanford.

Also -

Jim Mora

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their 1995 schedule is the correct one, because that's when he was an OC. Played 5 BCS teams and the 2 other Service academies.

I guess you could just list every coach who jumped the NFL ship and went to NCAA. Which really doesn't apply to Matty boi does it

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But it does apply to the question you asked.

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Touche, that being said. Mora is not a success.

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46-29, won his division once and placed in the top three four times. Two ten win seasons, a conference title. Peaked at Top 10 in the country.

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Gary Patterson

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DC at TCU