How many coaches with 0 meaningful P5 coaching experience have worked out?

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Paul Johnson
Brian Kelly
Chris Peterson
Jim Harbaugh

Did you even think about this before you posted it?
Chris Peterson coached at Pitt. Wrong
Johnson coached at Navy who had a BCS schedule. Wrong
Harbaugh was an NFL head coach, so whatever.

Brian Kelly is the only comparable one.



Navy isn't P5; you can't change your own rules. Harbaugh fits too.
If 2004 Navy doesn't count as BCS, then neither does 2017 notre dame.


The schedules are hardly comparable. Tulsa, Duke, Vandy, Rice, Army, Air Force, New Mexico vs. Michigan State, Miami, NC State, USC, Georgia, Stanford.

Also -

Jim Mora

their 1995 schedule is the correct one, because that's when he was an OC. Played 5 BCS teams and the 2 other Service academies.

I guess you could just list every coach who jumped the NFL ship and went to NCAA. Which really doesn't apply to Matty boi does it


But it does apply to the question you asked.
Touche, that being said. Mora is not a success.


46-29, won his division once and placed in the top three for times. Two ten win seasons, a conference title. Peaked at Top 10 in the country.
finished ranked twice in six years. Will be looking for a job this off season.
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Gary Patterson


DC at TCU
I know that Fake Pill. What was their conference when he was DC. I didn't frame the question but I answered it.
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Gary Patterson


DC at TCU
That was long before TCU was a P5 school (OP's parameter). Speaking of, I think Justin Fuente at Virginia Tech fits the bill. IIRC, he was TCU's OC in the mountain west and then HC at Memphis.
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NoBSU said:

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Gary Patterson


DC at TCU
I know that Fake Pill. What was their conference when he was DC. I didn't frame the question but I answered it.


You're right. No need for so much hostility.
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Nick Nolte said:

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Gary Patterson


DC at TCU
That was long before TCU was a P5 school (OP's parameter). Speaking of, I think Justin Fuente at Virginia Tech fits the bill. IIRC, he was TCU's OC in the mountain west and then HC at Memphis.


Also correct.
SicThe12
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Patterson was at Navy when they played a BCS schedule too.
BaylorLit 01
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Trust the Process. Take a chill pill and find bigger issues in life to be so upset about.
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Gary Patterson


DC at TCU
I know that Fake Pill. What was their conference when he was DC. I didn't frame the question but I answered it.


You're right. No need for so much hostility.
I thought calling you Fake Pill was funny. Oh well.
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It's not an honest question when you keep moving the goal posts.

There are several examples that have been mentioned,
“At the end of the day, for 40 minutes, we just kicked their ass.”

- Mark Vital
GoldMind
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Saban coaches at Toledo before MSU. Meyer at Bowling Green before Utah. Jim Tressel at Youngstown State before tOSU, Brian Kelly at Cincy and Central Michigan before Notre Dame, Willie Taggart at USF before Oregon, need me to keep going?
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NoBSU said:

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Gary Patterson


DC at TCU
I know that Fake Pill. What was their conference when he was DC. I didn't frame the question but I answered it.


You're right. No need for so much hostility.
I thought calling you Fake Pill was funny. Oh well.


I'm sensitive about my authenticity and effectiveness.
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Patterson was at Navy when they played a BCS schedule too.
So was Temple. The Big East then AAC was a BCS conference. So, if you are going to make that up, then your whole criticism of Rhule ' s experience falls apart.
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placebo said:

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Gary Patterson


DC at TCU
I know that Fake Pill. What was their conference when he was DC. I didn't frame the question but I answered it.


You're right. No need for so much hostility.
I thought calling you Fake Pill was funny. Oh well.


I'm sensitive about my authenticity and effectiveness.
If you changed to DoubleBlindStudy, who would know about your effectiveness for sure except a handful of researchers?
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NoBSU said:

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Patterson was at Navy when they played a BCS schedule too.
So was Temple. The Big East then AAC was a BCS conference. So, if you are going to make that up, then your whole criticism of Rhule ' s experience falls apart.
Temple was not in the Big east when al Golden and Rhule got there. What the f are you talking about. Infact that one season that they moved to the big east. Rhule was the NY giants assistant to the OL coach.
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GoldMind said:

Saban coaches at Toledo before MSU. Meyer at Bowling Green before Utah. Jim Tressel at Youngstown State before tOSU, Brian Kelly at Cincy and Central Michigan before Notre Dame, Willie Taggart at USF before Oregon, need me to keep going?
you obviously didn't understand the question.
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Friscobear said:

It's not an honest question when you keep moving the goal posts.

There are several examples that have been mentioned,
Brian Kelly is the only one. Calling Jim mora unsuccessful is moving goal posts?
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SicThe12 said:

Friscobear said:

It's not an honest question when you keep moving the goal posts.

There are several examples that have been mentioned,
Brian Kelly is the only one. Calling Jim mora unsuccessful is moving goal posts?


Gary Patterson
Frank Beamer
Justin Fuente

And Jim Mora was successful for four years. Just because he might get fired doesn't mean he wasn't successful at any point. Mac Brown was good.
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placebo said:

SicThe12 said:

Friscobear said:

It's not an honest question when you keep moving the goal posts.

There are several examples that have been mentioned,
Brian Kelly is the only one. Calling Jim mora unsuccessful is moving goal posts?


Gary Patterson
Frank Beamer
Justin Fuente

And Jim Mora was successful for four years. Just because he might get fired doesn't mean he wasn't successful at any point. Mac Brown was good.
Fuente was a big 12 OC.

Again Patterson, Navy.

Beamer(198?) and Kelly.

We got 2 boys
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SicThe12 said:

placebo said:

SicThe12 said:

Friscobear said:

It's not an honest question when you keep moving the goal posts.

There are several examples that have been mentioned,
Brian Kelly is the only one. Calling Jim mora unsuccessful is moving goal posts?


Gary Patterson
Frank Beamer
Justin Fuente

And Jim Mora was successful for four years. Just because he might get fired doesn't mean he wasn't successful at any point. Mac Brown was good.
Fuente was a big 12 OC.

Again Patterson, Navy.

Beamer(198?) and Kelly.

We got 2 boys


Fuente was never the OC at a P5 school.

Beamer coached until 2015.

Jim Mora continues to be ignored because that makes the number higher.

The Navy argument is a joke.
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SicThe12 said:

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Patterson was at Navy when they played a BCS schedule too.
So was Temple. The Big East then AAC was a BCS conference. So, if you are going to make that up, then your whole criticism of Rhule ' s experience falls apart.
Temple was not in the Big east when al Golden and Rhule got there. What the f are you talking about. Infact that one season that they moved to the big east. Rhule was the NY giants assistant to the OL coach.
Temple competed in football in the Big East in the 2012 season. Rhule was named HC in December of 2012. HC of a BCS school. The Big East football Scholes went to the AAC in July 2013 and that fall Rhule coached Temple as a member of a BCS conference.

Accept Gary Patterson dropping your made up BCS exclusion or the BCS major conference experience applies to Rhule. Show some integrity.
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NoBSU said:

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Patterson was at Navy when they played a BCS schedule too.
So was Temple. The Big East then AAC was a BCS conference. So, if you are going to make that up, then your whole criticism of Rhule ' s experience falls apart.
Temple was not in the Big east when al Golden and Rhule got there. What the f are you talking about. Infact that one season that they moved to the big east. Rhule was the NY giants assistant to the OL coach.
Temple competed in football in the Big East in the 2012 season. Rhule was named HC in December of 2012. HC of a BCS school. The Big East football Scholes went to the AAC in July 2013 and that fall Rhule coached Temple as a member of a BCS conference.

Accept Gary Patterson dropping your made up BCS exclusion or the BCS major conference experience applies to Rhule. Show some integrity.
HAHAHAHAHA the big east football schools? Like Louisville, Rutgers, West Virginia, syracuse, pitt all went to the AAC? Thanks for the info
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placebo said:

SicThe12 said:

placebo said:

SicThe12 said:

Friscobear said:

It's not an honest question when you keep moving the goal posts.

There are several examples that have been mentioned,
Brian Kelly is the only one. Calling Jim mora unsuccessful is moving goal posts?


Gary Patterson
Frank Beamer
Justin Fuente

And Jim Mora was successful for four years. Just because he might get fired doesn't mean he wasn't successful at any point. Mac Brown was good.
Fuente was a big 12 OC.

Again Patterson, Navy.

Beamer(198?) and Kelly.

We got 2 boys


Fuente was never the OC at a P5 school.

Beamer coached until 2015.

Jim Mora continues to be ignored because that makes the number higher.

The Navy argument is a joke.
jim mora isn't making it through his second contract and you're telling me he's a success.

Go over to Texags and tell them that sumlins a success.
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SicThe12 said:

placebo said:

SicThe12 said:

placebo said:

SicThe12 said:

Friscobear said:

It's not an honest question when you keep moving the goal posts.

There are several examples that have been mentioned,
Brian Kelly is the only one. Calling Jim mora unsuccessful is moving goal posts?


Gary Patterson
Frank Beamer
Justin Fuente

And Jim Mora was successful for four years. Just because he might get fired doesn't mean he wasn't successful at any point. Mac Brown was good.
Fuente was a big 12 OC.

Again Patterson, Navy.

Beamer(198?) and Kelly.

We got 2 boys


Fuente was never the OC at a P5 school.

Beamer coached until 2015.

Jim Mora continues to be ignored because that makes the number higher.

The Navy argument is a joke.
jim mora isn't making it through his second contract and you're telling me he's a success.

Go over to Texags and tell them that sumlins a success.


It's not hard to fail as an Aggie or Horn. Go to Shaggy and ask them how Strong is doing at USF.
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placebo said:

SicThe12 said:

placebo said:

SicThe12 said:

placebo said:

SicThe12 said:

Friscobear said:

It's not an honest question when you keep moving the goal posts.

There are several examples that have been mentioned,
Brian Kelly is the only one. Calling Jim mora unsuccessful is moving goal posts?


Gary Patterson
Frank Beamer
Justin Fuente

And Jim Mora was successful for four years. Just because he might get fired doesn't mean he wasn't successful at any point. Mac Brown was good.
Fuente was a big 12 OC.

Again Patterson, Navy.

Beamer(198?) and Kelly.

We got 2 boys


Fuente was never the OC at a P5 school.

Beamer coached until 2015.

Jim Mora continues to be ignored because that makes the number higher.

The Navy argument is a joke.
jim mora isn't making it through his second contract and you're telling me he's a success.

Go over to Texags and tell them that sumlins a success.


It's not hard to fail as an Aggie or Horn. Go to Shaggy and ask them how Strong is doing at USF.
USF is small time football..
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SicThe12 said:

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Patterson was at Navy when they played a BCS schedule too.
So was Temple. The Big East then AAC was a BCS conference. So, if you are going to make that up, then your whole criticism of Rhule ' s experience falls apart.
Temple was not in the Big east when al Golden and Rhule got there. What the f are you talking about. Infact that one season that they moved to the big east. Rhule was the NY giants assistant to the OL coach.
Temple competed in football in the Big East in the 2012 season. Rhule was named HC in December of 2012. HC of a BCS school. The Big East football Scholes went to the AAC in July 2013 and that fall Rhule coached Temple as a member of a BCS conference.

Accept Gary Patterson dropping your made up BCS exclusion or the BCS major conference experience applies to Rhule. Show some integrity.
HAHAHAHAHA the big east football schools? Like Louisville, Rutgers, West Virginia, syracuse, pitt all went to the AAC? Thanks for the info
The Big East then the AAC were one of the BCS conferences. Spin all you want. Patterson fits. Fits well. You DQ him saying Navy played a BCS schedule. A member of a BCS conference players a BCS conference schedule.

You lost. Everyone knows it.
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NoBSU said:

SicThe12 said:

NoBSU said:

SicThe12 said:

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Patterson was at Navy when they played a BCS schedule too.
So was Temple. The Big East then AAC was a BCS conference. So, if you are going to make that up, then your whole criticism of Rhule ' s experience falls apart.
Temple was not in the Big east when al Golden and Rhule got there. What the f are you talking about. Infact that one season that they moved to the big east. Rhule was the NY giants assistant to the OL coach.
Temple competed in football in the Big East in the 2012 season. Rhule was named HC in December of 2012. HC of a BCS school. The Big East football Scholes went to the AAC in July 2013 and that fall Rhule coached Temple as a member of a BCS conference.

Accept Gary Patterson dropping your made up BCS exclusion or the BCS major conference experience applies to Rhule. Show some integrity.
HAHAHAHAHA the big east football schools? Like Louisville, Rutgers, West Virginia, syracuse, pitt all went to the AAC? Thanks for the info
The Big East then the AAC were one of the BCS conferences. Spin all you want. Patterson fits. Fits well. You DQ him saying Navy played a BCS schedule. A member of a BCS conference players a BCS conference schedule.

You lost. Everyone knows it.
once again. Rhule never coached in the Big East. You're giving bim BCS props for coaching against UCONN and Cincy in the AAC

LOL
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SicThe12 said:

It's an honest question. Rhule has never been a position coach, OC/DC, HC at a P5 school. That is NOT the norm when you look at the resumes of successful P5 coaches. Matt Campbell comes to mind but to call him successful at this stage is premature.

Anyone?
Urban Meyer.

Unless you count his Grad assistant time at Ohio State.

He also had some years at Notre Dame

But then he was head coach at Bowling Green, Utah (before they were pac 12) and his first P5 job was Florida
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cowboycwr said:

SicThe12 said:

It's an honest question. Rhule has never been a position coach, OC/DC, HC at a P5 school. That is NOT the norm when you look at the resumes of successful P5 coaches. Matt Campbell comes to mind but to call him successful at this stage is premature.

Anyone?
Urban Meyer.

Unless you count his Grad assistant time at Ohio State.

He also had some years at Notre Dame

But then he was head coach at Bowling Green, Utah (before they were pac 12) and his first P5 job was Florida
those 4 years at ND disqualify him. The people of this thread have spoken. ND counts.
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How many head coaches with P5 coaching experience are getting fired this year?
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SicThe12 said:

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Patterson was at Navy when they played a BCS schedule too.
So was Temple. The Big East then AAC was a BCS conference. So, if you are going to make that up, then your whole criticism of Rhule ' s experience falls apart.
Temple was not in the Big east when al Golden and Rhule got there. What the f are you talking about. Infact that one season that they moved to the big east. Rhule was the NY giants assistant to the OL coach.
Temple competed in football in the Big East in the 2012 season. Rhule was named HC in December of 2012. HC of a BCS school. The Big East football Scholes went to the AAC in July 2013 and that fall Rhule coached Temple as a member of a BCS conference.

Accept Gary Patterson dropping your made up BCS exclusion or the BCS major conference experience applies to Rhule. Show some integrity.
HAHAHAHAHA the big east football schools? Like Louisville, Rutgers, West Virginia, syracuse, pitt all went to the AAC? Thanks for the info
The Big East then the AAC were one of the BCS conferences. Spin all you want. Patterson fits. Fits well. You DQ him saying Navy played a BCS schedule. A member of a BCS conference players a BCS conference schedule.

You lost. Everyone knows it.
once again. Rhule never coached in the Big East. You're giving bim BCS props for coaching against UCONN and Cincy in the AAC

LOL
THE AAC was a BCS conference in 2013. I said Temple was a Big East Football school and BCS member when they hired Rhule 12/2012. Rhule then coached in the AAC in 2013 which was a BCS conference. One of the six. Fact. Here is his schedule.
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-13/aac/2013-temple-owls-football-schedule.php


Gary Patterson, DB coach, of Navy scduke for 1995

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/navy/1995-schedule.html

Compare those two schedules.
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SicThe12 said:

NoBSU said:

SicThe12 said:

NoBSU said:

SicThe12 said:

NoBSU said:

SicThe12 said:

Patterson was at Navy when they played a BCS schedule too.
So was Temple. The Big East then AAC was a BCS conference. So, if you are going to make that up, then your whole criticism of Rhule ' s experience falls apart.
Temple was not in the Big east when al Golden and Rhule got there. What the f are you talking about. Infact that one season that they moved to the big east. Rhule was the NY giants assistant to the OL coach.
Temple competed in football in the Big East in the 2012 season. Rhule was named HC in December of 2012. HC of a BCS school. The Big East football Scholes went to the AAC in July 2013 and that fall Rhule coached Temple as a member of a BCS conference.

Accept Gary Patterson dropping your made up BCS exclusion or the BCS major conference experience applies to Rhule. Show some integrity.
HAHAHAHAHA the big east football schools? Like Louisville, Rutgers, West Virginia, syracuse, pitt all went to the AAC? Thanks for the info
The Big East then the AAC were one of the BCS conferences. Spin all you want. Patterson fits. Fits well. You DQ him saying Navy played a BCS schedule. A member of a BCS conference players a BCS conference schedule.

You lost. Everyone knows it.
once again. Rhule never coached in the Big East. You're giving bim BCS props for coaching against UCONN and Cincy in the AAC

LOL
Then next year in the AAC (a school in a BCS conference), he coached against Uconn, Cincy, Louisville, and Notre Dame.
SicThe12
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bularry said:

How many head coaches with P5 coaching experience are getting fired this year?
not enough
BellCountyBear
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Can pleeeasse bring back the ability to deduct from a poster's reputation??? That was fun!
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blackie said:

Grant Teaff says "Hi". .


Actually Taeff did say hi. He was guest of the AD at Liberty game on Saturday in Virginia . Wife as well..Delightful woman
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