Funny How Snow Told Rhule to Come to Baylor Because of Recruiting

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EasyE
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http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2017/11/oregon_ducks_have_nations_no_1.html

Apparently Coach Taggart is doing alright in the recruiting area.
CarelessBear
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Rhule and snow came here because they knew they could pull this crap and get away with it.
MilliVanilli
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Actually, I'm the one that brought them here, I told them they could really trigger and troll the hell out of some caber t-shirt fans and they jumped at the opportunity.


CarelessBear
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MilliVanilli said:

Actually, I'm the one that brought them here, I told them they could really trigger and troll the hell out of some caber t-shirt fans and they jumped at the opportunity.



Textbook narcissist, i hope you get the help you need, young lady.
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CarelessBear said:

Rhule and snow came here because they knew they could pull this crap and get away with it.

No shiite they have!
MilliVanilli
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CarelessBear said:

MilliVanilli said:

Actually, I'm the one that brought them here, I told them they could really trigger and troll the hell out of some caber t-shirt fans and they jumped at the opportunity.



Textbook narcissist, i hope you get the help you need, young lady.
Lulz, hey you're part of the cadre of people 18 months into internet group therapy on here, is it working for you yet?
Gust Avrakotos
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Jersey came here for 3 reasons

1 he knew Rhodes the idiot was infatuated with him

2 the money was probably equal to Oregon

3 and most importantly. He wouldn't have Phil Knight all up in his **** when he tanked Baylor's program.
Jacques Strap
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That's a good haul. 13 four stars...doubt we'll see the likes of a class like Oregon's anytime soon.


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the Ducks have amassed a 24-man group, highlighted by 13 four-star pledges
MilliVanilli
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Jacques Strap said:

That's a good haul. 13 four stars...doubt we'll see the likes of a class like Oregon's anytime soon.


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the Ducks have amassed a 24-man group, highlighted by 13 four-star pledges

Star chasing has never helped Baylor or the programs it competes with for recruits.

Aggy and Ut squander four and five star recruits on an annual basis, and the biggest busts of our recent history were in the four and five range too.

Give me a few fours stars for sure, but hungry 3 stars and two stars that become Terrance Williams and Taylor Young are what I want over Robbie Rhodes and Javonte McGee or Parrish Cobb.







Johnny Bear
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MilliVanilli said:

Jacques Strap said:

That's a good haul. 13 four stars...doubt we'll see the likes of a class like Oregon's anytime soon.


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the Ducks have amassed a 24-man group, highlighted by 13 four-star pledges

Star chasing has never helped Baylor or the programs it competes with for recruits.
Players like K.D. Cannon and Andrew Billings say "hello".
MilliVanilli
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Johnny Bear said:

MilliVanilli said:

Jacques Strap said:

That's a good haul. 13 four stars...doubt we'll see the likes of a class like Oregon's anytime soon.


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the Ducks have amassed a 24-man group, highlighted by 13 four-star pledges

Star chasing has never helped Baylor or the programs it competes with for recruits.
Players like K.D. Cannon and Andrew Billings say "hello".
Literacy says hello right back to you.

Go back and read, slowly this time, sound it out if you have to.
D. C. Bear
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Johnny Bear said:

MilliVanilli said:

Jacques Strap said:

That's a good haul. 13 four stars...doubt we'll see the likes of a class like Oregon's anytime soon.


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the Ducks have amassed a 24-man group, highlighted by 13 four-star pledges

Star chasing has never helped Baylor or the programs it competes with for recruits.
Players like K.D. Cannon and Andrew Billings say "hello".


And Robert Griffin and Spencer Drango and Corey Coleman and JaMycal Hasty.

Getting highly rated recruits has been and will continue to be key to Baylor's success as well as everyone else's.
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Johnny Bear said:

MilliVanilli said:

Jacques Strap said:

That's a good haul. 13 four stars...doubt we'll see the likes of a class like Oregon's anytime soon.


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the Ducks have amassed a 24-man group, highlighted by 13 four-star pledges

Star chasing has never helped Baylor or the programs it competes with for recruits.
Players like K.D. Cannon and Andrew Billings say "hello".

Why bother engaging with that troll. Ignore is your friend.
MilliVanilli
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RioRata said:

Johnny Bear said:

MilliVanilli said:

Jacques Strap said:

That's a good haul. 13 four stars...doubt we'll see the likes of a class like Oregon's anytime soon.


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the Ducks have amassed a 24-man group, highlighted by 13 four-star pledges

Star chasing has never helped Baylor or the programs it competes with for recruits.
Players like K.D. Cannon and Andrew Billings say "hello".

Why bother engaging with that troll. Ignore is your friend.
It's just hilarious how you snowflakes break into group therapy after you fly off the handle for being illiterates.
Johnny Bear
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MilliVanilli said:

Johnny Bear said:

MilliVanilli said:

Jacques Strap said:

That's a good haul. 13 four stars...doubt we'll see the likes of a class like Oregon's anytime soon.


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the Ducks have amassed a 24-man group, highlighted by 13 four-star pledges

Star chasing has never helped Baylor or the programs it competes with for recruits.
Players like K.D. Cannon and Andrew Billings say "hello".
Literacy says hello right back to you.

Go back and read, slowly this time, sound it out if you have to.
Go back and take a look at who has been winning NC's over the last let's say 20 years and give me an example of one that did it with primarily 2 and 3 star recruits. Just because UT and aggy have had HC's that squandered a lot of their 4 and 5 star recruits doesn't mean it doesn't matter. I get the developing the "hungry" 2 and 3 star recruit scenario and I also realize that CAB (whom you love to trash) in his brilliance won back to back Big 12 titles with primarily developed former 2 and 3 star recruits. Briles is "a unicorn" as others have described and for all of his great accomplishments even he didn't get to the biggest stage without a plethora of former 4 and 5 star recruits, although I'm convinced he was about to start getting enough of those types to get us there if he hadn't been needlessly blown up by our brainiac leaders that you love so much.

Are some 4 and 5 star recruits a bust? Sure they are, but if you play the odds you're clearly going to have a much higher probability of success if you're getting those kinds of recruits in significant numbers and it does make a difference. Take a look at that list of NC winners. Read it slowly. Sound it out if you have to.
MilliVanilli
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Johnny Bear said:

MilliVanilli said:

Johnny Bear said:

MilliVanilli said:

Jacques Strap said:

That's a good haul. 13 four stars...doubt we'll see the likes of a class like Oregon's anytime soon.


Quote:

the Ducks have amassed a 24-man group, highlighted by 13 four-star pledges

Star chasing has never helped Baylor or the programs it competes with for recruits.
Players like K.D. Cannon and Andrew Billings say "hello".
Literacy says hello right back to you.

Go back and read, slowly this time, sound it out if you have to.
Go back and take a look at who has been winning NC's over the last let's say 20 years and give me an example of one that did it with primarily 2 and 3 star recruits. Just because UT and aggy have had HC's that squandered a lot of their 4 and 5 star recruits doesn't mean it doesn't matter. I get the developing the "hungry" 2 and 3 star recruit scenario and I also realize that CAB (whom you love to trash) in his brilliance won back to back Big 12 titles with primarily developed former 2 and 3 star recruits. Briles is "a unicorn" as others have described and for all of his great accomplishments even he didn't get to the biggest stage without a plethora of former 4 and 5 star recruits, although I'm convinced he was about to start getting enough of those types to get us there if he hadn't been needlessly blown up by our brainiac leaders that you love so much.

Are some 4 and 5 star recruits a bust? Sure they are, but if you play the odds you're clearly going to have a much higher probability of success if you're getting those kinds of recruits in significant numbers and it does make a difference. Take a look at that list of NC winners. Read it slowly. Sound it out if you have to.
That's quite a diatribe, again, go back and read what I wrote, slowly, and sound it out if you have to.
Jacques Strap
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Chasing 4 stars like Andrew Billings, Spencer Drango and Corey Coleman worked out wonderfully for Baylor.
MilliVanilli
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Jacques Strap said:

Chasing 4 stars like Andrew Billings, Spencer Drango and Corey Coleman worked out wonderfully for Baylor.
No, evaluating talent beyond their stars is what has helped. Sometimes players are worth their stars, but a recruiting class predicated solely on stars is typically doomed ala UT and Aggy and even many of Baylor's most highly hyped recruits of the last 5 years.

I know for a fact most veteran players hate five-star recruits, they seldom bring humility and work ethic with them, they often have a sense of superiority and entitlement to them that doesn't ingratiate them well with their teammates.

Whereas a hungry kid with something to prove can be developed into the starting second receiver for the Dallas Cowboys.




BU254
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MilliVanilli said:

That's quite a diatribe, again, go back and read what I wrote, slowly, and sound it out if you have to.
You make this board a terrible place. Good grief. Who cares if people are still mad about CAB, the BOR, and the overall state of our program? After all BU fans have been through since this started, it should be no wonder people take time to relieve their grief and frustration. The funny thing is that you blast everyone for their perceived inability to apply logic, yet any criticism of our current coach, staff, and admin automatically makes him/her a snowflake, t-shirt fan, CAB-er. Geez. No wonder you have been banned. No one cares if you post, but grow up and lay off.
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Gust Avrakotos said:

Jersey came here for 3 reasons

1 he knew Rhodes the idiot was infatuated with him

2 the money was probably equal to Oregon

3 and most importantly. He wouldn't have Phil Knight all up in his **** when he tanked Baylor's program.

You forgot that it's easier to run the Oklahoma drill from a neighboring state. This fact should now complete your logic tree. Glad I could help.

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MilliVanilli said:

Jacques Strap said:

Chasing 4 stars like Andrew Billings, Spencer Drango and Corey Coleman worked out wonderfully for Baylor.
No, evaluating talent beyond their stars is what has helped. Sometimes players are worth their stars, but a recruiting class predicated solely on stars is typically doomed ala UT and Aggy and even many of Baylor's most highly hyped recruits of the last 5 years.

I know for a fact most veteran players hate five-star recruits, they seldom bring humility and work ethic with them, they often have a sense of superiority and entitlement to them that doesn't ingratiate them well with their teammates.

Whereas a hungry kid with something to prove can be developed into the starting second receiver for the Dallas Cowboys.






The other interesting factoid here is we "handed" the University of Texas all of our so-called high star recruits and nothing came of them over there in Austin.

Speaking for just me (not Milli -- don't know him/her but enjoy him/her blowing up all you guys conspiracy theories with hilarious response (to me / not to you), Hassan Reddick is a Exhibit A of what Rhule can do. Un-recruited at Temple U (not exactly an elite destination even for starred recruits) and become a heat seeking missile in both college and now in the NFL.

But don't let facts like this deter all of you from spouting some additional nonsense.
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TV55 said:

MilliVanilli said:

Jacques Strap said:

Chasing 4 stars like Andrew Billings, Spencer Drango and Corey Coleman worked out wonderfully for Baylor.
No, evaluating talent beyond their stars is what has helped. Sometimes players are worth their stars, but a recruiting class predicated solely on stars is typically doomed ala UT and Aggy and even many of Baylor's most highly hyped recruits of the last 5 years.

I know for a fact most veteran players hate five-star recruits, they seldom bring humility and work ethic with them, they often have a sense of superiority and entitlement to them that doesn't ingratiate them well with their teammates.

Whereas a hungry kid with something to prove can be developed into the starting second receiver for the Dallas Cowboys.






The other interesting factoid here is we "handed" the University of Texas all of our so-called high star recruits and nothing came of them over there in Austin.

Speaking for just me (not Milli -- don't know him/her but enjoy him/her blowing up all you guys conspiracy theories with hilarious response (to me / not to you), Hassan Reddick is a Exhibit A of what Rhule can do. Un-recruited at Temple U (not exactly an elite destination even for starred recruits) and become a heat seeking missile in both college and now in the NFL.

But don't let facts like this deter all of you from spouting some additional nonsense.
Patience will be rewarded. Give me Gavin Holmes and Harrison Hand, Jonathan Lovett and Charlie Brewer in every recruitment class, and things will rapidly improve.
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TV55 said:

MilliVanilli said:

Jacques Strap said:

Chasing 4 stars like Andrew Billings, Spencer Drango and Corey Coleman worked out wonderfully for Baylor.
No, evaluating talent beyond their stars is what has helped. Sometimes players are worth their stars, but a recruiting class predicated solely on stars is typically doomed ala UT and Aggy and even many of Baylor's most highly hyped recruits of the last 5 years.

I know for a fact most veteran players hate five-star recruits, they seldom bring humility and work ethic with them, they often have a sense of superiority and entitlement to them that doesn't ingratiate them well with their teammates.

Whereas a hungry kid with something to prove can be developed into the starting second receiver for the Dallas Cowboys.






The other interesting factoid here is we "handed" the University of Texas all of our so-called high star recruits and nothing came of them over there in Austin.

Speaking for just me (not Milli -- don't know him/her but enjoy him/her blowing up all you guys conspiracy theories with hilarious response (to me / not to you), Hassan Reddick is a Exhibit A of what Rhule can do. Un-recruited at Temple U (not exactly an elite destination even for starred recruits) and become a heat seeking missile in both college and now in the NFL.

But don't let facts like this deter all of you from spouting some additional nonsense.


That one data point is fantastic.

I bet on payday you multiply your check by 365 and assume that's your new salary because you made it one day, so it's going to be what you make every other day, right?

He's done lots to help our current guys and their draft stocks...
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BU254 said:

MilliVanilli said:

That's quite a diatribe, again, go back and read what I wrote, slowly, and sound it out if you have to.
You make this board a terrible place. Good grief. Who cares if people are still mad about CAB, the BOR, and the overall state of our program? After all BU fans have been through since this started, it should be no wonder people take time to relieve their grief and frustration. The funny thing is that you blast everyone for their perceived inability to apply logic, yet any criticism of our current coach, staff, and admin automatically makes him/her a snowflake, t-shirt fan, CAB-er. Geez. No wonder you have been banned. No one cares if you post, but grow up and lay off.
You thin skinned caber peons waste so much breath clutching your pearls and telling me how you don't read my posts or care about them, it's way too funny.

How on earth you let an internet poster rattle you and consume your daily lives is just bizarre, you must be very sensitive to critique or very uncertain of yourselves to be so unable to cope with some words on the internet.


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MilliVanilli said:

BU254 said:

MilliVanilli said:

That's quite a diatribe, again, go back and read what I wrote, slowly, and sound it out if you have to.
You make this board a terrible place. Good grief. Who cares if people are still mad about CAB, the BOR, and the overall state of our program? After all BU fans have been through since this started, it should be no wonder people take time to relieve their grief and frustration. The funny thing is that you blast everyone for their perceived inability to apply logic, yet any criticism of our current coach, staff, and admin automatically makes him/her a snowflake, t-shirt fan, CAB-er. Geez. No wonder you have been banned. No one cares if you post, but grow up and lay off.
You thin skinned caber peons waste so much breath clutching your pearls and telling me how you don't read my posts or care about them, it's way too funny.

How on earth you let an internet poster rattle you and consume your daily lives is just bizarre, you must be very sensitive to critique or very uncertain of yourselves to be so unable to cope with some words on the internet.



And yet this board is filled with your whining, defenses, and rambling. I casually visit a few times a week, if that, for Baylor updates, and have discovered you find ways to derail nearly every single thread in which you post simply to mouth your own jargon. You waste more time on here on the attack than CAB-ers do lamenting the past. I'm not even a CAB-er, yet I can see why whole threads have been posted about you. Oh the irony in your bolded statements. But hey, just wanted to speak my peace; continue your oh-so-intelligent banter.
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......and who is PHIL KNIGHT, please. Just the facts would be welcomed. BG
MilliVanilli
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BU254 said:

MilliVanilli said:

BU254 said:

MilliVanilli said:

That's quite a diatribe, again, go back and read what I wrote, slowly, and sound it out if you have to.
You make this board a terrible place. Good grief. Who cares if people are still mad about CAB, the BOR, and the overall state of our program? After all BU fans have been through since this started, it should be no wonder people take time to relieve their grief and frustration. The funny thing is that you blast everyone for their perceived inability to apply logic, yet any criticism of our current coach, staff, and admin automatically makes him/her a snowflake, t-shirt fan, CAB-er. Geez. No wonder you have been banned. No one cares if you post, but grow up and lay off.
You thin skinned caber peons waste so much breath clutching your pearls and telling me how you don't read my posts or care about them, it's way too funny.

How on earth you let an internet poster rattle you and consume your daily lives is just bizarre, you must be very sensitive to critique or very uncertain of yourselves to be so unable to cope with some words on the internet.



And yet this board is filled with your whining, defenses, and rambling. I casually visit a few times a week, if that, for Baylor updates, and have discovered you find ways to derail nearly every single thread in which you post simply to mouth your own jargon. You waste more time on here on the attack than CAB-ers do lamenting the past. I'm not even a CAB-er, yet I can see why whole threads have been posted about you. Oh the irony in your bolded statements. But hey, just wanted to speak my peace; continue your oh-so-intelligent banter.
Stop it, you're hurting my feelings.

That's a nice whine delivered with no irony other than its unintentional humor though.

Hail to your king, baby. I own the caber psyche, not a thread or day goes by where you don't pay homage to your obsession.

In the caber psyche, I alone rule, and I sit upon your throne, no coup can remove me, I am dictator for life.


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Big guy said:

......and who is PHIL KNIGHT, please. Just the facts would be welcomed. BG

Serious question???
D. C. Bear
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TV55 said:

MilliVanilli said:

Jacques Strap said:

Chasing 4 stars like Andrew Billings, Spencer Drango and Corey Coleman worked out wonderfully for Baylor.
No, evaluating talent beyond their stars is what has helped. Sometimes players are worth their stars, but a recruiting class predicated solely on stars is typically doomed ala UT and Aggy and even many of Baylor's most highly hyped recruits of the last 5 years.

I know for a fact most veteran players hate five-star recruits, they seldom bring humility and work ethic with them, they often have a sense of superiority and entitlement to them that doesn't ingratiate them well with their teammates.

Whereas a hungry kid with something to prove can be developed into the starting second receiver for the Dallas Cowboys.






The other interesting factoid here is we "handed" the University of Texas all of our so-called high star recruits and nothing came of them over there in Austin.

Speaking for just me (not Milli -- don't know him/her but enjoy him/her blowing up all you guys conspiracy theories with hilarious response (to me / not to you), Hassan Reddick is a Exhibit A of what Rhule can do. Un-recruited at Temple U (not exactly an elite destination even for starred recruits) and become a heat seeking missile in both college and now in the NFL.

But don't let facts like this deter all of you from spouting some additional nonsense.


Patrick Hudson tore an ACL after a redshirt year. "The 6'5, 325-pounder was rapidly emerging as key depth along an offensive line that doesn't have much of it. Now Hudson will be out for the season and faces a lengthy rehabilitation process that can be difficult for linemen."

Might want to withhold judgment.
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D. C. Bear said:

TV55 said:

MilliVanilli said:

Jacques Strap said:

Chasing 4 stars like Andrew Billings, Spencer Drango and Corey Coleman worked out wonderfully for Baylor.
No, evaluating talent beyond their stars is what has helped. Sometimes players are worth their stars, but a recruiting class predicated solely on stars is typically doomed ala UT and Aggy and even many of Baylor's most highly hyped recruits of the last 5 years.

I know for a fact most veteran players hate five-star recruits, they seldom bring humility and work ethic with them, they often have a sense of superiority and entitlement to them that doesn't ingratiate them well with their teammates.

Whereas a hungry kid with something to prove can be developed into the starting second receiver for the Dallas Cowboys.






The other interesting factoid here is we "handed" the University of Texas all of our so-called high star recruits and nothing came of them over there in Austin.

Speaking for just me (not Milli -- don't know him/her but enjoy him/her blowing up all you guys conspiracy theories with hilarious response (to me / not to you), Hassan Reddick is a Exhibit A of what Rhule can do. Un-recruited at Temple U (not exactly an elite destination even for starred recruits) and become a heat seeking missile in both college and now in the NFL.

But don't let facts like this deter all of you from spouting some additional nonsense.


Patrick Hudson tore an ACL after a redshirt year. "The 6'5, 325-pounder was rapidly emerging as key depth along an offensive line that doesn't have much of it. Now Hudson will be out for the season and faces a lengthy rehabilitation process that can be difficult for linemen."

Might want to withhold judgment.
JP Uriquidez has been pretty underwhelming so far too.

So if Hudson doesn't pan out, the two most prominent o-line recruits of the 2016 class will be duds, which is a pretty big deal.
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D. C. Bear said:

TV55 said:

MilliVanilli said:

Jacques Strap said:

Chasing 4 stars like Andrew Billings, Spencer Drango and Corey Coleman worked out wonderfully for Baylor.
No, evaluating talent beyond their stars is what has helped. Sometimes players are worth their stars, but a recruiting class predicated solely on stars is typically doomed ala UT and Aggy and even many of Baylor's most highly hyped recruits of the last 5 years.

I know for a fact most veteran players hate five-star recruits, they seldom bring humility and work ethic with them, they often have a sense of superiority and entitlement to them that doesn't ingratiate them well with their teammates.

Whereas a hungry kid with something to prove can be developed into the starting second receiver for the Dallas Cowboys.






The other interesting factoid here is we "handed" the University of Texas all of our so-called high star recruits and nothing came of them over there in Austin.

Speaking for just me (not Milli -- don't know him/her but enjoy him/her blowing up all you guys conspiracy theories with hilarious response (to me / not to you), Hassan Reddick is a Exhibit A of what Rhule can do. Un-recruited at Temple U (not exactly an elite destination even for starred recruits) and become a heat seeking missile in both college and now in the NFL.

But don't let facts like this deter all of you from spouting some additional nonsense.


Patrick Hudson tore an ACL after a redshirt year. "The 6'5, 325-pounder was rapidly emerging as key depth along an offensive line that doesn't have much of it. Now Hudson will be out for the season and faces a lengthy rehabilitation process that can be difficult for linemen."

Might want to withhold judgment.


Naw, the prior staff couldn't judge talent. It was all smoke and mirrors...
MilliVanilli
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Krieg said:

D. C. Bear said:

TV55 said:

MilliVanilli said:

Jacques Strap said:

Chasing 4 stars like Andrew Billings, Spencer Drango and Corey Coleman worked out wonderfully for Baylor.
No, evaluating talent beyond their stars is what has helped. Sometimes players are worth their stars, but a recruiting class predicated solely on stars is typically doomed ala UT and Aggy and even many of Baylor's most highly hyped recruits of the last 5 years.

I know for a fact most veteran players hate five-star recruits, they seldom bring humility and work ethic with them, they often have a sense of superiority and entitlement to them that doesn't ingratiate them well with their teammates.

Whereas a hungry kid with something to prove can be developed into the starting second receiver for the Dallas Cowboys.






The other interesting factoid here is we "handed" the University of Texas all of our so-called high star recruits and nothing came of them over there in Austin.

Speaking for just me (not Milli -- don't know him/her but enjoy him/her blowing up all you guys conspiracy theories with hilarious response (to me / not to you), Hassan Reddick is a Exhibit A of what Rhule can do. Un-recruited at Temple U (not exactly an elite destination even for starred recruits) and become a heat seeking missile in both college and now in the NFL.

But don't let facts like this deter all of you from spouting some additional nonsense.


Patrick Hudson tore an ACL after a redshirt year. "The 6'5, 325-pounder was rapidly emerging as key depth along an offensive line that doesn't have much of it. Now Hudson will be out for the season and faces a lengthy rehabilitation process that can be difficult for linemen."

Might want to withhold judgment.


Naw, the prior staff couldn't judge talent. It was all smoke and mirrors...
They had their fair share of misses, especially with the higher starred players. They did a good job evaluating three star talents though, lots of homeruns hit there.


Krieg
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Lemme guess... the troll responded to me? I can't tell!
MilliVanilli
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Krieg said:

Lemme guess... the troll responded to me? I can't tell!
The fact you think you have to respond to someone you're supposedly ignoring without any provocation or solicitation let's us all know who reigns in that skull on your neck.


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Can anyone name me a team that won a natty that consisted of only a handful of 4-5 stars and a roster comprised or mostly 2-3 stars? Looking back through the recruiting rankings I can't seem to find one. Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson and Florida State - the last several winners - were all perennial top 10-15 finishers in recruiting rankings. Our best years consisted of the most amount of 4-5 stars ever on our roster.

The idea that a program needs less heralded recruits because a team like UT squanders their recruits seems absolutely ludicrous, but it's no surprise the lipsinker said it. Guy is a football moron. There is this thing called good coaching that UT has lacked the last several years. Is the poster in question so dense he doesn't realize good coaching develops talent?
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