National Signing Day Running Thread

Wimbearly said:

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Started the day ranked #18 and #3 in Big 12. By days end we bottomed out at #26. WOW not much to celebrate today.

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Have we signed anyone since the Colts news?

I thought we were #16. Or was that a BS ranking?

BUGWBBear said:

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I thought we were #16. Or was that a BS ranking?

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It was accurate at the time according to one recruiting site. Hence the recurring problem: Baylor is very given to that kind of cherrypicking, because it fosters facade building. Then, when reality arrives, we just look silly.

247SPORTS COMPOSITE RANKINGS PAST 15 CLASSES (LISTED WITH TOP 5 HIGHEST RATED RECRUITS)

2018 - #30 (National), #4 (Big 12)
91.17 (#10 DT QB) - Gerry Bohanon (Earle, AR)
91.14 (#11 ATH) - B.J. Hanspard (DeSoto, TX)
89.84 (#50 WR) - Joshua Fleeks (Cedar Hill, TX)
89.71 (#53 WR) - Tyquan Thornton (Miami, FL)
89.37 (#11 APB) - Craig Williams (Crosby, TX)

2017 - #40 (National), #5 (Big 12)
89.00 (#20 OG) - Xavier Newman (DeSoto, TX)
87.91 (#64 WR) - Gavin Holmes (Justin, TX)
87.86 (#65 WR) - R.J. Sneed (Cypress, TX)
87.72 (#28 ATH) - Trestan Ebner (Henderson, TX)
86.84 (#35 ATH) - Johnathan Lovett (Burlington, NJ)

2016 - #40 (National), #5 (Big 12)
89.13 (#36 DT) - Bravvion Roy (Spring, TX)
88.47 (#16 PS QB) - Zach Smith (Grandview, TX)
88.20 (#67 WR) - Jared Atkinson (Mesquite, TX)
87.92 (#68 WR) - Denzel Mims (Daingerfield, TX)
87.03 (#47 CB) - Grayland Arnold (Kountze, TX)

2015 - #36 (National), #5 (Big 12)
98.30 (#2 DT QB) - Jarrett Stidham (Stephenville, TX)
91.99 (#23 WR) - Blake Lynch (Gilmer, TX)
91.15 (#6 APB) - JaMycal Hasty (Longview, TX)
88.34 (#51 WR) - Pooh Stricklin (Waco, TX)
87.77 (#31 ATH) - J.W. Ketchum III (Houston, TX)

2014 - #25 (National), #3 (Big 12)
98.58 (#4 WR) - K.D. Cannon (Mount Pleasant, TX)
97.59 (#5 ATH) - Davion Hall (Texarkana, TX)
90.79 (#18 ATH) - Terence Williams (Ennis, TX)
88.73 (#49 WR) - Ishmael Zamora (Houston, TX)
86.21 (#78 WR) - Chris Platt (Willis, TX)

2013 - #27 (National), #3 (Big 12)
98.66 (#3 WR) - Robbie Rhodes (Fort Worth, TX)
93.70 (#12 DT) - Andrew Billings (Waco, TX)
89.39 (#12 DT QB) - Chris Johnson (Bryan, TX)
89.17 (#2 PREP OLB) - Brian Nance (Hargrave Military Academy)
87.52 (#34 OT) - Mo Porter (Missouri City, TX)

2012 - #26 (National), #3 (Big 12)
97.13 (#7 DT) - Javonte Magee (San Antonio, TX)
93.95 (#11 ATH) - Corey Coleman (Richardson, TX)
90.53 (#18 CB) - Ryan Reid (Sherman, TX)
89.44 (#22 S) - Aiavion Edwards (Stephenville, TX)
88.37 (#54 WR) - Kiante' Griffin (Carrollton, TX)

2011 - #46 (National), #8 (Big 12)
90.30 (#21 OT) - Spencer Drango (Cedar Park, TX)
87.47 (#46 WR) - Jay Lee (Allen, TX)
86.13 (#34 ATH) - B.J. Allen (Tatum, TX)
85.19 (#44 RB) - Jermichael Selders (Houston, TX)
85.03 (#40 OG) - LaQuan McGowan (Briscoe, TX)

2010 - #38 (National), #8 (Big 12)
97.19 (#5 S) - Ahmad Dixon (Waco, TX)
90.21 (#18 CB) - Tyler Stephenson (Lancaster, TX)
87.99 (#1 PREP OLB) - Prince Kent (Hargrave Military Academy)
87.78 (#42 DT) - Sean Watson (Panama City, FL)
87.64 (#36 OT) - Troy Baker (Waco, TX)

2009 - #53 (National), #10 (Big 12)
91.86 (#17 CB) - Darius Jones (Marshall, TX)
88.56 (#22 OG) - Ivory Wade (Dickinson, TX)
88.13 (#43 RB) - Glasco Martin (Round Rock, TX)
86.53 (#80 WR) - Skyler Scott (Lancaster, TX)
86.53 (#42 OG) - Jeramie Roberts (Garland, TX)

2008 - #58 (National), #9 (Big 12)
90.82 (#15 ATH) - Kendall Wright (Pittsburg, TX)
89.41 (#6 DT QB) - Robert Griffin III (Copperas Cove, TX)
87.01 (#65 WR) - Lanear Sampson (Mesquite, TX)
85.73 (#11 DT QB) - Nick Florence (Garland< TX)
85.59 (#19 WDE) - Gary Mason (Waxahachie, TX)

2007 - #73 (National), #12 (Big 12)
85.59 (#38 OG) - Courtney Green (Corsicana, TX)
85.10 (#79 WR) - Romie Blaylock (Cedar Hill, TX)
84.44 (#7 JC ILB) - Leon Freeman (Mesa CC)
84.17 (#8 K) - Shea Brewster (College Station, TX)
83.85 (#61 OG) - John Jones (Cedar Hill, TX)

2006 - #49 (National), #10 (Big 12)
86.08 (#57 WR) - Ernest Smith (Tyler, TX)
85.56 (#39 S) - Tim Atchison (Copperas Cove, TX)
84.48 (#53 ATH) - Jeremy Sanders (Marlin, TX)
84.48 (#48 CB) - Dominique Criss (Arlington, TX)
84.17 (#39 OG) - Reid Prince (Dallas, TX)

2005 - #60 (National), #12 (Big 12)
86.67 (#3 JC OT) - Matt Lott (Pearl River CC)
85.56 (#24 ATH) - Queito Teasley (Katy, TX)
85.56 (#29 DT) - Trey Bryant (Richardson, TX)
83.33 (#12 APB) - Cordney Smith (Duncanville, TX)
83.33 (#62 OLB) - Shon Brown (Waco, TX)

2004 - #93 (National), #12 (Big 12)
81.11 (#38 OLB) - James Francis (La Marque, TX)
81.11 (#42 ILB) - Ben Hixon (Southlake, TX)
81.11 (#46 ILB) - Bradley Bullitt (Garland, TX)
80.00 (#2 JC PS QB) - Dane King (Blinn College)
76.67 (#63 S) - Anthony McDonald (Copperas Cove, TX)

Texasjeremy said:

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247SPORTS COMPOSITE RANKINGS PAST 15 CLASSES (LISTED WITH TOP 5 HIGHEST RATED RECRUITS)

2018 - #30 (National), #4 (Big 12)
91.17 (#10 DT QB) - Gerry Bohanon (Earle, AR)
91.14 (#11 ATH) - B.J. Hanspard (DeSoto, TX)
89.84 (#50 WR) - Joshua Fleeks (Cedar Hill, TX)
89.71 (#53 WR) - Tyquan Thornton (Miami, FL)
89.37 (#11 APB) - Craig Williams (Crosby, TX)

2017 - #40 (National), #5 (Big 12)
89.00 (#20 OG) - Xavier Newman (DeSoto, TX)
87.91 (#64 WR) - Gavin Holmes (Justin, TX)
87.86 (#65 WR) - R.J. Sneed (Cypress, TX)
87.72 (#28 ATH) - Trestan Ebner (Henderson, TX)
86.84 (#35 ATH) - Johnathan Lovett (Burlington, NJ)

2016 - #40 (National), #5 (Big 12)
89.13 (#36 DT) - Bravvion Roy (Spring, TX)
88.47 (#16 PS QB) - Zach Smith (Grandview, TX)
88.20 (#67 WR) - Jared Atkinson (Mesquite, TX)
87.92 (#68 WR) - Denzel Mims (Daingerfield, TX)
87.03 (#47 CB) - Grayland Arnold (Kountze, TX)

2015 - #36 (National), #5 (Big 12)
98.30 (#2 DT QB) - Jarrett Stidham (Stephenville, TX)
91.99 (#23 WR) - Blake Lynch (Gilmer, TX)
91.15 (#6 APB) - JaMycal Hasty (Longview, TX)
88.34 (#51 WR) - Pooh Stricklin (Waco, TX)
87.77 (#31 ATH) - J.W. Ketchum III (Houston, TX)

2014 - #25 (National), #3 (Big 12)
98.58 (#4 WR) - K.D. Cannon (Mount Pleasant, TX)
97.59 (#5 ATH) - Davion Hall (Texarkana, TX)
90.79 (#18 ATH) - Terence Williams (Ennis, TX)
88.73 (#49 WR) - Ishmael Zamora (Houston, TX)
86.21 (#78 WR) - Chris Platt (Willis, TX)

2013 - #27 (National), #3 (Big 12)
98.66 (#3 WR) - Robbie Rhodes (Fort Worth, TX)
93.70 (#12 DT) - Andrew Billings (Waco, TX)
89.39 (#12 DT QB) - Chris Johnson (Bryan, TX)
89.17 (#2 PREP OLB) - Brian Nance (Hargrave Military Academy)
87.52 (#34 OT) - Mo Porter (Missouri City, TX)

2012 - #26 (National), #3 (Big 12)
97.13 (#7 DT) - Javonte Magee (San Antonio, TX)
93.95 (#11 ATH) - Corey Coleman (Richardson, TX)
90.53 (#18 CB) - Ryan Reid (Sherman, TX)
89.44 (#22 S) - Aiavion Edwards (Stephenville, TX)
88.37 (#54 WR) - Kiante' Griffin (Carrollton, TX)

2011 - #46 (National), #8 (Big 12)
90.30 (#21 OT) - Spencer Drango (Cedar Park, TX)
87.47 (#46 WR) - Jay Lee (Allen, TX)
86.13 (#34 ATH) - B.J. Allen (Tatum, TX)
85.19 (#44 RB) - Jermichael Selders (Houston, TX)
85.03 (#40 OG) - LaQuan McGowan (Briscoe, TX)

2010 - #38 (National), #8 (Big 12)
97.19 (#5 S) - Ahmad Dixon (Waco, TX)
90.21 (#18 CB) - Tyler Stephenson (Lancaster, TX)
87.99 (#1 PREP OLB) - Prince Kent (Hargrave Military Academy)
87.78 (#42 DT) - Sean Watson (Panama City, FL)
87.64 (#36 OT) - Troy Baker (Waco, TX)

2009 - #53 (National), #10 (Big 12)
91.86 (#17 CB) - Darius Jones (Marshall, TX)
88.56 (#22 OG) - Ivory Wade (Dickinson, TX)
88.13 (#43 RB) - Glasco Martin (Round Rock, TX)
86.53 (#80 WR) - Skyler Scott (Lancaster, TX)
86.53 (#42 OG) - Jeramie Roberts (Garland, TX)

2008 - #58 (National), #9 (Big 12)
90.82 (#15 ATH) - Kendall Wright (Pittsburg, TX)
89.41 (#6 DT QB) - Robert Griffin III (Copperas Cove, TX)
87.01 (#65 WR) - Lanear Sampson (Mesquite, TX)
85.73 (#11 DT QB) - Nick Florence (Garland< TX)
85.59 (#19 WDE) - Gary Mason (Waxahachie, TX)

2007 - #73 (National), #12 (Big 12)
85.59 (#38 OG) - Courtney Green (Corsicana, TX)
85.10 (#79 WR) - Romie Blaylock (Cedar Hill, TX)
84.44 (#7 JC ILB) - Leon Freeman (Mesa CC)
84.17 (#8 K) - Shea Brewster (College Station, TX)
83.85 (#61 OG) - John Jones (Cedar Hill, TX)

2006 - #49 (National), #10 (Big 12)
86.08 (#57 WR) - Ernest Smith (Tyler, TX)
85.56 (#39 S) - Tim Atchison (Copperas Cove, TX)
84.48 (#53 ATH) - Jeremy Sanders (Marlin, TX)
84.48 (#48 CB) - Dominique Criss (Arlington, TX)
84.17 (#39 OG) - Reid Prince (Dallas, TX)

2005 - #60 (National), #12 (Big 12)
86.67 (#3 JC OT) - Matt Lott (Pearl River CC)
85.56 (#24 ATH) - Queito Teasley (Katy, TX)
85.56 (#29 DT) - Trey Bryant (Richardson, TX)
83.33 (#12 APB) - Cordney Smith (Duncanville, TX)
83.33 (#62 OLB) - Shon Brown (Waco, TX)

2004 - #93 (National), #12 (Big 12)
81.11 (#38 OLB) - James Francis (La Marque, TX)
81.11 (#42 ILB) - Ben Hixon (Southlake, TX)
81.11 (#46 ILB) - Bradley Bullitt (Garland, TX)
80.00 (#2 JC PS QB) - Dane King (Blinn College)
76.67 (#63 S) - Anthony McDonald (Copperas Cove, TX)

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I thought this was supposed to be our best rated class ever? I'm confused. It looks like there are a few classes that were rated higher according to this list.

Recruiting rankings take someone else's opinion of a bunch of athletes and lump them together under the assumption that each team needs all of everything.

Now, it's always better to have the higher ranked athletes than not, given the choice, but managing a college football team is deeper than raw numbers. What do you need? Who's available? What's your recruiting footprint? Does a player need to start immediately, or can he afford to learn for a season?

What Baylor really needs right now is a room full of All-Big 12 caliber OL. Those just can't be plucked out of high schools. Selecting high school OL and building them up is a talent that can make you millions of you figure it out. Failing that, Baylor got "good enough". Just getting the injured healthy and the transfers eligible will be like adding 4 extra recruits at a position of need.

I wish Baylor had a LB or two. You can always hope a SS gets bigger or spins down, but this class needed at least one to make me comfortable. Considering all the player transfers after "the troubles", the roster still has holes in it. However, the ball handling positions are very well attended.

Compared to everyone else on a raw score, the class is down the list. Compared to Baylor's needs, it's considerably above expectation. Compared to recent events and 1-11, it's over the moon.

ColomboLQ said:

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I thought this was supposed to be our best rated class ever? I'm confused. It looks like there are a few classes that were rated higher according to this list.

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Considering we had 1 freaking win last year this is the best class ever. I think Matt Rhule is an awful game coach but this is a crazy good recruiting job.

My problem is Briles system allowed a class with less talent to beat a school with more talent. Rhules system is the exact opposite. It requires superior talent to win. Meaning we never beat OU or UT and probably not TCU because Patterson is more like Briles with maximizing talent.

I think a lot of people are ok with that because they only understand old school football which they like and they don't understand that Baylor will never get the kind of offensive and defensive line that Alabama has. I like winning. I like beating more talent with a better system. But that is just me.