Unfortunately Tulsa ended up losing to lowly Tulane.

He spent too many years being the guy in the wings

He needs to go back to being an OC

Maybe Rhule should hire him as our OC

Tulsa is also a little private school, an actual little church school not one like Baylor that just thinks of itself that way but isn't, and it is not sitting in fertile recruiting ground unlike state schools that are large like USF, UCF, Cincy and UH. That just may be a really tough job.

Tulsa, while historically Presbyterian, can hardly be called a "church school" today. It's a secular, somewhat liberal small college with a chapel on its campus (like so many colleges in the midsouth and Midwest). While it rivals Rice as the smallest college with a D1 program, it is a beautiful campus in a very nice city in a state that clearly values football. Tulsa has seen limited success in the past. Good coaches there have found diamonds in the rough overlooked by OU and OSU.

Would love to have Monty back as OC at Baylor. Rhule is too arrogant and stubborn to allow it though.

BellCountyBear said:

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Would love to have Monty back as OC at Baylor. Rhule is too arrogant and stubborn to allow it though.

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True. Rhule would have to admit he's got a wrong offensive philosophy to hire Monty as OC, but it'll never happen because BU leadership wants nothing to do with Briles including anyone from his coaching tree.

He is not getting fired. Tulsa won't pay two coaches at a time and Tulsa isn't some commuter school letting a bunch of 10 Wonderlic scores to be admitted. It is not an easy job.

So what happened? Seemed like he had them headed in the right direction after a stellar second season, but then fell off a cliff in year 3.

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Tulsa is also a little private school, an actual little church school not one like Baylor that just thinks of itself that way but isn't, and it is not sitting in fertile recruiting ground unlike state schools that are large like USF, UCF, Cincy and UH. That just may be a really tough job.

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LOL @ calling Tulsa a "church school." Little? Yes. Church school? LOL no. They have a VERY loose affiliation with the Presbyterian Church.

And Tulsa might be a tough job, but they have a pretty good track record. 21 Bowl appearances and it has been a really good stepping stone job for football (John Cooper, Steve Kragthorpe, Todd Graham, etc) and basketball (Nolan Richardson, Tubby Smith, Bill Self, etc).

EDIT: should have read the whole thread before posting. Grumpy beat me to it.

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BellCountyBear said:

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Would love to have Monty back as OC at Baylor. Rhule is too arrogant and stubborn to allow it though.

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True. Rhule would have to admit he's got a wrong offensive philosophy to hire Monty as OC, but it'll never happen because BU leadership wants nothing to do with Briles including anyone from his coaching tree.

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And I doubt anyone from his coaching tree wants anything to do with BU

He could be done, depending on how serious Tulsa is about football. They may hold off a year just to not have to eat more contract.

It's a shame things are going down that way. If he's gone it's probably not good for Zach, too.

I'm waiting to see how next year looks

1. Tulsa has the rare distinction of being a merger of Presbyterian (Kendall College) and Methodist (McFarlin College) schools. Any attempt to blend those theologies will go bad.

2. I like TU and I hope they turn it around.

3. I'd love to see Montey back at BU.

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YoakDaddy said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Would love to have Monty back as OC at Baylor. Rhule is too arrogant and stubborn to allow it though.

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True. Rhule would have to admit he's got a wrong offensive philosophy to hire Monty as OC, but it'll never happen because BU leadership wants nothing to do with Briles including anyone from his coaching tree.

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And I doubt anyone from his coaching tree wants anything to do with BU

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That's 100% true.

Except Briles himself. I bet he would jump all over the chance if it were remotely possible in some alternate universe.

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Tulsa is also a little private school, an actual little church school not one like Baylor that just thinks of itself that way but isn't, and it is not sitting in fertile recruiting ground unlike state schools that are large like USF, UCF, Cincy and UH. That just may be a really tough job.

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And yet, they periodically have had great seasons.

If Montgomery cannot right the ship on offense on his own team, why would someone want him as an OC, as:

1. The AAC West is as down as its ever been (i.e. only Houston has a winning record in the division) and he cannot win any games.
2. There are up and coming offensive coordinators that have done more with less.
3. If the whole point of the Baylor offense was to make up for personnel deficiencies, he has not shown that he is able to do that with his offense.
4. He is 1-7 with likely at most 2 possible wins remaining in year 4 and he was 2-10 in year 3.

Baylor shouldn't want him back.

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So what happened? Seemed like he had them headed in the right direction after a stellar second season, but then fell off a cliff in year 3.

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Have quarterback, will travel (to a bowl game).

No QB? No swag bag (or plane ticket or bus ticket).

Jes' straight back into off-season. And cruitin' ...

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1. Tulsa has the rare distinction of being a merger of Presbyterian (Kendall College) and Methodist (McFarlin College) schools. Any attempt to blend those theologies will go bad.

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Hmmph. Just try goin' straight Baptist. That's no walk in the park either. As Alma Mater demonstrates on an almost daily basis ...

Media Bear said:

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JETHRO said:

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1. Tulsa has the rare distinction of being a merger of Presbyterian (Kendall College) and Methodist (McFarlin College) schools. Any attempt to blend those theologies will go bad.

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Hmmph. Just try goin' straight Baptist. That's no walk in the park either. As Alma Mater demonstrates on an almost daily basis ...

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Been a long time since Baylor gone straight Baptist.

YoakDaddy said:

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Media Bear said:

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JETHRO said:

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1. Tulsa has the rare distinction of being a merger of Presbyterian (Kendall College) and Methodist (McFarlin College) schools. Any attempt to blend those theologies will go bad.

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Hmmph. Just try goin' straight Baptist. That's no walk in the park either. As Alma Mater demonstrates on an almost daily basis ...

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Been a long time since Baylor gone straight Baptist.

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Poll the members of Baylor's BOR and see how many are not (or just read their bios).
https://www.baylor.edu/boardofregents/index.php?id=937243

And there's this:

The Board of Regents is the official governing body of Baylor University. Voting regents are selected by election, with 75% of the membership elected by the Regents themselves and up to 25% elected through a process with the Baptist General Convention of Texas.

Yah ... I'd say the hold on power is quite substantial ...

Media Bear said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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Media Bear said:

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JETHRO said:

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1. Tulsa has the rare distinction of being a merger of Presbyterian (Kendall College) and Methodist (McFarlin College) schools. Any attempt to blend those theologies will go bad.

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Hmmph. Just try goin' straight Baptist. That's no walk in the park either. As Alma Mater demonstrates on an almost daily basis ...

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Been a long time since Baylor gone straight Baptist.

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Poll the members of Baylor's BOR and see how many are not (or just read their bios).
https://www.baylor.edu/boardofregents/index.php?id=937243

And there's this:

The Board of Regents is the official governing body of Baylor University. Voting regents are selected by election, with 75% of the membership elected by the Regents themselves and up to 25% elected through a process with the Baptist General Convention of Texas.

Yah ... I'd say the hold on power is quite substantial ...

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They pick the group the 25% comes out of as well.

As for Tulsa, hopefully they give him another year. They need a QB and they have one sitting out a year that beat a ranked team in a bowl game as a true freshman and QBed a 1-11 team to nearly beating a playoff team. That's still Rhule's best game btw and I wish we'd run the offense like that weekly, but that's off topic.

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If Montgomery cannot right the ship on offense on his own team, why would someone want him as an OC, as:

1. The AAC West is as down as its ever been (i.e. only Houston has a winning record in the division) and he cannot win any games.
2. There are up and coming offensive coordinators that have done more with less.
3. If the whole point of the Baylor offense was to make up for personnel deficiencies, he has not shown that he is able to do that with his offense.
4. He is 1-7 with likely at most 2 possible wins remaining in year 4 and he was 2-10 in year 3.

Baylor shouldn't want him back.

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I am sorry, you're saying the OC that led Baylor to the most successful run in school history and beat the likes of OU and UT on several occasions has not shown the ability to make up for personnel deficiencies?

Honest question: Did you watch Baylor at all from 2008 to 2014?

Mothra said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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If Montgomery cannot right the ship on offense on his own team, why would someone want him as an OC, as:

1. The AAC West is as down as its ever been (i.e. only Houston has a winning record in the division) and he cannot win any games.
2. There are up and coming offensive coordinators that have done more with less.
3. If the whole point of the Baylor offense was to make up for personnel deficiencies, he has not shown that he is able to do that with his offense.
4. He is 1-7 with likely at most 2 possible wins remaining in year 4 and he was 2-10 in year 3.

Baylor shouldn't want him back.

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I am sorry, you're saying the OC that led Baylor to the most successful run in school history and beat the likes of OU and UT on several occasions has not shown the ability to make up for personnel deficiencies?

Honest question: Did you watch Baylor at all from 2008 to 2014?

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Why hire someone to do a job that they could not do at their prior destination (i.e. produce offense and win games)?

One would think that if he was as good as some believe he was, his time at Tulsa would have been similar to Kliff Kingsbury's time at Texas Tech (i.e. good offensive production even if it is paired with a bad defense). However, that has not been the case, and, as a result, it would be difficult to claim that he's some offensive guru with a scheme designed to make up for talent deficiencies if he is losing games to G5 teams the way he is in year 4 of his tenure.

This season, Tulsa has scored the following against FBS teams - 21, 20, 17, 26, 24, 0 and 17 - and each of those were losses, and, further, the media didn't expect anything more from him by predicting that he would finish last in the AAC West.

That makes him attractive as an OC? If this was his first year or two at Tulsa, sure, but this is year 4.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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Mothra said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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If Montgomery cannot right the ship on offense on his own team, why would someone want him as an OC, as:

1. The AAC West is as down as its ever been (i.e. only Houston has a winning record in the division) and he cannot win any games.
2. There are up and coming offensive coordinators that have done more with less.
3. If the whole point of the Baylor offense was to make up for personnel deficiencies, he has not shown that he is able to do that with his offense.
4. He is 1-7 with likely at most 2 possible wins remaining in year 4 and he was 2-10 in year 3.

Baylor shouldn't want him back.

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I am sorry, you're saying the OC that led Baylor to the most successful run in school history and beat the likes of OU and UT on several occasions has not shown the ability to make up for personnel deficiencies?

Honest question: Did you watch Baylor at all from 2008 to 2014?

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Why hire someone to do a job that they could not do at their prior destination (i.e. produce offense and win games)?

One would think that if he was as good as some believe he was, his time at Tulsa would have been similar to Kliff Kingsbury's time at Texas Tech (i.e. good offensive production even if it is paired with a bad defense). However, that has not been the case, and, as a result, it would be difficult to claim that he's some offensive guru with a scheme designed to make up for talent deficiencies if he is losing games to G5 teams the way he is in year 4 of his tenure.

This season, Tulsa has scored the following against FBS teams - 21, 20, 17, 26, 24, 0 and 17 - and each of those were losses, and, further, the media didn't expect anything more from him by predicting that he would finish last in the AAC West.

That makes him attractive as an OC? If this was his first year or two at Tulsa, sure, but this is year 4.

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HC and OC are two completely different things. He has shown much ability to be an incredible OC, as he did at Baylor. He's by far the best OC we ever had, and it's not even close. The fact he failed as a HC doesn't mean he wouldn't be a good OC.

There are countless examples of coordinators who couldn't cut it as head coaches. Doesn't mean they are not qualified coordinators.

Mothra said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Mothra said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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If Montgomery cannot right the ship on offense on his own team, why would someone want him as an OC, as:

1. The AAC West is as down as its ever been (i.e. only Houston has a winning record in the division) and he cannot win any games.
2. There are up and coming offensive coordinators that have done more with less.
3. If the whole point of the Baylor offense was to make up for personnel deficiencies, he has not shown that he is able to do that with his offense.
4. He is 1-7 with likely at most 2 possible wins remaining in year 4 and he was 2-10 in year 3.

Baylor shouldn't want him back.

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I am sorry, you're saying the OC that led Baylor to the most successful run in school history and beat the likes of OU and UT on several occasions has not shown the ability to make up for personnel deficiencies?

Honest question: Did you watch Baylor at all from 2008 to 2014?

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Why hire someone to do a job that they could not do at their prior destination (i.e. produce offense and win games)?

One would think that if he was as good as some believe he was, his time at Tulsa would have been similar to Kliff Kingsbury's time at Texas Tech (i.e. good offensive production even if it is paired with a bad defense). However, that has not been the case, and, as a result, it would be difficult to claim that he's some offensive guru with a scheme designed to make up for talent deficiencies if he is losing games to G5 teams the way he is in year 4 of his tenure.

This season, Tulsa has scored the following against FBS teams - 21, 20, 17, 26, 24, 0 and 17 - and each of those were losses, and, further, the media didn't expect anything more from him by predicting that he would finish last in the AAC West.

That makes him attractive as an OC? If this was his first year or two at Tulsa, sure, but this is year 4.

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HC and OC are two completely different things. He has shown much ability to be an incredible OC, as he did at Baylor. He's by far the best OC we ever had, and it's not even close. The fact he failed as a HC doesn't mean he wouldn't be a good OC.

There are countless examples of coordinators who couldn't cut it as head coaches. Doesn't mean they are not qualified coordinators.

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We agree on that.

What was being said was that if he was as good on offense as some believe he is, his time at Tulsa would have been similar to Kliff Kingsbury's time at Tech (i.e. good offense even with bad defense). Basically, even if he didn't win a lot of games, he would have the offensive production to show that his version of the offense worked. However, because that has not been the case even at the G5 level, it's hard to take him seriously as an OC at this point.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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Mothra said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Mothra said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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If Montgomery cannot right the ship on offense on his own team, why would someone want him as an OC, as:

1. The AAC West is as down as its ever been (i.e. only Houston has a winning record in the division) and he cannot win any games.
2. There are up and coming offensive coordinators that have done more with less.
3. If the whole point of the Baylor offense was to make up for personnel deficiencies, he has not shown that he is able to do that with his offense.
4. He is 1-7 with likely at most 2 possible wins remaining in year 4 and he was 2-10 in year 3.

Baylor shouldn't want him back.

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I am sorry, you're saying the OC that led Baylor to the most successful run in school history and beat the likes of OU and UT on several occasions has not shown the ability to make up for personnel deficiencies?

Honest question: Did you watch Baylor at all from 2008 to 2014?

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Why hire someone to do a job that they could not do at their prior destination (i.e. produce offense and win games)?

One would think that if he was as good as some believe he was, his time at Tulsa would have been similar to Kliff Kingsbury's time at Texas Tech (i.e. good offensive production even if it is paired with a bad defense). However, that has not been the case, and, as a result, it would be difficult to claim that he's some offensive guru with a scheme designed to make up for talent deficiencies if he is losing games to G5 teams the way he is in year 4 of his tenure.

This season, Tulsa has scored the following against FBS teams - 21, 20, 17, 26, 24, 0 and 17 - and each of those were losses, and, further, the media didn't expect anything more from him by predicting that he would finish last in the AAC West.

That makes him attractive as an OC? If this was his first year or two at Tulsa, sure, but this is year 4.

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HC and OC are two completely different things. He has shown much ability to be an incredible OC, as he did at Baylor. He's by far the best OC we ever had, and it's not even close. The fact he failed as a HC doesn't mean he wouldn't be a good OC.

There are countless examples of coordinators who couldn't cut it as head coaches. Doesn't mean they are not qualified coordinators.

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We agree on that.

What was being said was that if he was as good on offense as some believe he is, his time at Tulsa would have been similar to Kliff Kingsbury's time at Tech (i.e. good offense even with bad defense). Basically, even if he didn't win a lot of games, he would have the offensive production to show that his version of the offense worked. However, because that has not been the case even at the G5 level, it's hard to take him seriously as an OC at this point.

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So, despite the fact he was by far the best OC in Baylor history he can no longer cut it at Baylor because he didn't succeed as a head coach at Tulsa?

No offense, but that is one of the more ridiculous takes I've seen on this board. One needs to look no further than how he performed HERE in the past to predict how he would perform here in the future. The fact he couldn't cut it as a head coach at Tulsa, where he could never recruit, is completely irrelevant.

I posted this on another thread last week but I'll put it here also. I think he's going to get another year no matter what happens this year because his buyout looks to be about $4m.

BoonDockSaint said:

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He spent too many years being the guy in the wings

He needs to go back to being an OC

Maybe Rhule should hire him as our OC

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hmmmmmm......I wouldn't mind this.

I question how much of an official OC he was here..kinda like Eric Bienemy is listed as OC for the Chiefs but Andy Reid runs the show.

On a so side note KC defensive coordinator BoB Sutton the old Army coach was a candidate for yhe Baylor job in early 90s

I've had mixed feelings about Monty since our Cotton Bowl crash. I want him to be successful yet I can't forgive him for NOT hanging around for our Cotton Bowl fiasco. I think we would have won if he were coaching the offense on the sidelines.

Tulsa's stadium holds 30K, in 2017 they averaged 18,459 per game.

They probably don't feel as much pressure as most programs to make a move. Maybe they give him one more year.

Tulsa went into this game at home favored by 18.5 points against 1-7 UConn.

At the end of Q1 they trail 10-0. Still very early....but this would be a tough loss to explain