They need to do something. I still like Mike Leach's idea, put 64 teams in and do it like the ncaa basketball tournament lol
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Very good point and seeing two Sec teams in last year was ridiculous.Forest Bueller said:
Like I said about a week ago, 12-1 conference champion tOSU getting left out of the dance was the last straw.
It may take a few years, but it will happen now. Likely 8, but hoping for 16.
I'm no expert here, but a lot of those arguing "it won't change for a long time" have told me that the contract has another five years to run.YoakDaddy said:
Pretty sure the bowl contracts designated for the 4 team playoffs are ending after next year. Pretty sure they were 5-year contracts, so, yeah, they're gonna talk about expanding the playoffs.
If next year is the end of the contract, there will be a new format very soon after that.YoakDaddy said:
Pretty sure the bowl contracts designated for the 4 team playoffs are ending after next year. Pretty sure they were 5-year contracts, so, yeah, they're gonna talk about expanding the playoffs.
PartyBear said:
They wouldnt be discussing expanding it publicly if they didnt have the power to do it within the next year or two one way or the other. either modifying the contract or the current one about to expire. If it was a 5 year contract this is the final play off under the existing contract.
BTW if 5 P5 winners have automatic bids. There is no incentive for the P5 conferences to realign into 4. In fact the XII with 10 members will be the envy of the the 14 team members. In fact the two 14 member conferences may think it better to re split up with the 8 or so total cast offs becoming a seperate then P6 conference and just having two at large bids.
This is the reason you have 8 teams and not 6.PartyBear said:
They wouldnt be discussing expanding it publicly if they didnt have the power to do it within the next year or two one way or the other. either modifying the contract or the current one about to expire. If it was a 5 year contract this is the final play off under the existing contract.
BTW if 5 P5 winners have automatic bids. There is no incentive for the P5 conferences to realign into 4. In fact the XII with 10 members will be the envy of the the 14 team members. In fact the two 14 member conferences may think it better to re split up with the 8 or so total cast offs becoming a seperate then P6 conference and just having two at large bids.
TechDawgMc said:I'm no expert here, but a lot of those arguing "it won't change for a long time" have told me that the contract has another five years to run.YoakDaddy said:
Pretty sure the bowl contracts designated for the 4 team playoffs are ending after next year. Pretty sure they were 5-year contracts, so, yeah, they're gonna talk about expanding the playoffs.
I don't think contracts matter. If they decide they want to expand, it just means more money -- no one's going to say "no"
BellCountyBear said:
Why not 6? P5 champions plus one G5.
That's not going to happen for a handful of reasons.PartyBear said:
Hopefully there is objective criteria for at least 5 of the slots. Such as P5 champ. That way every P5 knows at the beginning of the season what they need to do to get in--win the conference. Honestly I dont mind giving the winner of the AAC and MWC an automatic bid either and just allow one subjectively chosen play off team. That may be asking for too much though.
Number needs to be a power of 2. Makes the brackets nicer.Quote:
Why not 6? P5 champions plus one G5.
If they went to eight, the P5 would demand that 5 slots were for each conference champion with 3 at large spots. I also think there has to be a provision that if you finish as an undefeated champion of a G5 conference, you get a spot (so long as there weren't more than three of those, and the odds are astronomically low).PartyBear said:
You think an 8 team play off will be 8 subjectively chosen teams? Is that what you meant? If that is how an 8 team play off is, that would end up more controversial than 4 subjectively chosen if a few Conf champs are passed over.
Duh, tOSU would be one of the 5, the Florida school probably gets the other spot.Forest Bueller said:This is the reason you have 8 teams and not 6.PartyBear said:
They wouldnt be discussing expanding it publicly if they didnt have the power to do it within the next year or two one way or the other. either modifying the contract or the current one about to expire. If it was a 5 year contract this is the final play off under the existing contract.
BTW if 5 P5 winners have automatic bids. There is no incentive for the P5 conferences to realign into 4. In fact the XII with 10 members will be the envy of the the 14 team members. In fact the two 14 member conferences may think it better to re split up with the 8 or so total cast offs becoming a seperate then P6 conference and just having two at large bids.
With 8, all of the leftovers that are worthy should be able to make it.
Being upfront, the PAC 12 will just be glad they get in it every year. BIG and SEC might get 2 in each on a good year, that leaves room for one more.
If it were 8 this year, I think Georgia andtOSUas well as ND get the three extra spots.
They aren't going to guarantee bids to P5s by an official rule, and it's unclear why so many sports fans in forums believe that that would happen.PartyBear said:
You think an 8 team play off will be 8 subjectively chosen teams? Is that what you meant? If that is how an 8 team play off is, that would end up more controversial than 4 subjectively chosen if a few Conf champs are passed over.
Aberzombie1892 said:They aren't going to guarantee bids to P5s by an official rule, and it's unclear why so many sports fans in forums believe that that would happen.PartyBear said:
You think an 8 team play off will be 8 subjectively chosen teams? Is that what you meant? If that is how an 8 team play off is, that would end up more controversial than 4 subjectively chosen if a few Conf champs are passed over.
For clarification, is this suggesting that -all- FBS conference winners be guaranteed a spot, and, if so, is this also suggesting that the powers that be (i.e. media rights holders and power conferences) would allow that to happen?PartyBear said:
All of the conference champs in both men's and women's hoops are guaranteed in the tourney. Don't see why that can't happen here.
No I actually suggested the 5 P5 winners and 3 at large. But I'm fine with 5 P5 winners and the highest ranked G5 also being an automatic participant then 2 at large. I'm also not opposed to the AAC winner and perhaps one other G5's winner getting an automatic bid and just one at large. However that would not be fair to the other G5 conferences.Aberzombie1892 said:For clarification, is this suggesting that -all- FBS conference winners be guaranteed a spot, and, if so, is this also suggesting that the powers that be (i.e. media rights holders and power conferences) would allow that to happen?PartyBear said:
All of the conference champs in both men's and women's hoops are guaranteed in the tourney. Don't see why that can't happen here.
That would literally break everything.
Barry thought the Big 10 and the SEC would get auto bids every year.TechDawgMc said:
I heard Barry Alvarez talking about being in favor of at least 6 and possibly 8. He was part of the original committee. I don't think he envisioned the B10 being left out repeatedly.
Two major conferences left out two years in a row -- that's going to bring change.
Okay great.PartyBear said:No I actually suggested the 5 P5 winners and 3 at large. But I'm fine with 5 P5 winners and the highest ranked G5 also being an automatic participant then 2 at large. I'm also not opposed to the AAC winner and perhaps one other G5's winner getting an automatic bid and just one at large. However that would not be fair to the other G5 conferences.Aberzombie1892 said:For clarification, is this suggesting that -all- FBS conference winners be guaranteed a spot, and, if so, is this also suggesting that the powers that be (i.e. media rights holders and power conferences) would allow that to happen?PartyBear said:
All of the conference champs in both men's and women's hoops are guaranteed in the tourney. Don't see why that can't happen here.
That would literally break everything.