As I said, if they want to play sports and make money on a college campuses, the NCAA owns their economic benefit. With no threat of competition.fadskier said:We disagree. How can a non-profit be a cartel? If schools don't like it, they don't have to join.robby44 said:fadskier said:Yeah, and?robby44 said:
O'Bannon v. NCAA ruled that
NCAA violated antitrust laws.
They're a cartel
Actually, the NCAA doesn't. The appeals court affirmed the NCAA's treatment of athletes during school as amateurs. What the NCAA doesn't get is the right to their likenesses after graduation. Additionally, they could also go to a non-NCAA school.TellMeYouLoveMe said:As I said, if they want to play sports and make money on a college campuses, the NCAA owns their economic benefit. With no threat of competition.fadskier said:We disagree. How can a non-profit be a cartel? If schools don't like it, they don't have to join.robby44 said:fadskier said:Yeah, and?robby44 said:
O'Bannon v. NCAA ruled that
NCAA violated antitrust laws.
They're a cartel
That's the economic definition of a cartel. It's controlled resources and assets.
If you want to play football and get a free scholarship, you do NOT have to play in the NCAA. There are now and have always been plenty of players in the NFL who did not attend NCAA institutions.TellMeYouLoveMe said:
You're lawyering something that's economic.
If i get together with my competition and we make it impossible for anyone else to start a competitor, we have a cartel.
If i want to play football and get a free scholarship, the NCAA demands I enter a clearinghouse and give up all my info. And they determine whether I can or cannot.
Rules regarding profiting from your likeness (or making any money, however small) apply to walk-ons, too. So you would permit non-scholarship, adult athletes to make money however they can, right?Malbec said:
If you want to play football and get a free scholarship, you do NOT have to play in the NCAA. There are now and have always been plenty of players in the NFL who did not attend NCAA institutions.
Alright, then every car dealer is offering big endorsement packages to players that include the cost of attendance to the car dealers favorite school.Quote:
Let's just remove the "scholarship" from the equation, for the sake of argument.
In a way, that is a part of this proposal. Cal schools are already bleeding with the 'cost of attendance" add-on voted in. They are behind in team travel, facilities, tv, etc. This is a hail mary political headline grab.LTbear said:fadskier said:
Both the PAC 12 and the SEC have come out against this law. Also, membership in the NCAA is voluntary. California could just have its own state championship.
Let's see
San Diego State
UCLA
California
Cal Poly
Fresno State
Cal-Davis
Sacramento State
San Jose State
that's some great football there!
My cynical side immediately thought "of course the SEC is against it, they're already paying the players and don't want others to catch up"
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I heard on the news last night that the state of Ohio is following California's lead. No way in Hell is
The Ohio State University gonna be put at a recruiting disadvantage! The dominoes are starting to fall.
CorsicanaBear said:Alright, then every car dealer is offering big endorsement packages to players that include the cost of attendance to the car dealers favorite school.Quote:
Let's just remove the "scholarship" from the equation, for the sake of argument.
That is what Corky Nelson used to tell us linebackers back in the day.robby44 said:
Pretty Tony addressed this issue years ago on the movie The Mack
"Man, all bxtches are the same, just like my ho's, you know? I keep 'em, broke. If they wake up one morning with some money, they're subject to go crazy. I keep 'em looking good, pretty and all that, but no dough,."
Ursa Baylor said:CorsicanaBear said:Alright, then every car dealer is offering big endorsement packages to players that include the cost of attendance to the car dealers favorite school.Quote:
Let's just remove the "scholarship" from the equation, for the sake of argument.
I think that's unlikely, but if a local business wants to hire student athletes, I think they should be able to. Or if a company wants to hire a student athlete to be in a movie, I think they should be able to. Or to sign autographs.
Anything that anyone else enrolled in school can do, so should student-athletes.
Responsible?Jorkel said:Ursa Baylor said:
Anything that anyone else enrolled in school can do, so should student-athletes.
True I got a juicy scholarship that paid for 99% of my time at Baylor and then was able to work and receive nice gifts and didn't not get my scholarship revoked. Left baylor with quite a bit a $$$. Though I was responsible and didn't spend it on women and booze like others in their 20's might do.
I think in 5 programs in the Top 20, it already is.Thee University said:
If you think college football, basketball, baseball, etc has an image problem now. Watch corruption, sexual assaults, skipping classes, blowing the $$$$, learning bad financial mgt habits all go out of sight.
This will only widen the gap between the haves and have nots. Prostitution will flourish. Drugs increase. Alcohol flowing. Hookers hooking.
These big paper guys will have a whole posse move in with them leaching and living. It will become a cesspool.
TellMeYouLoveMe said:Responsible?Jorkel said:Ursa Baylor said:
Anything that anyone else enrolled in school can do, so should student-athletes.
True I got a juicy scholarship that paid for 99% of my time at Baylor and then was able to work and receive nice gifts and didn't not get my scholarship revoked. Left baylor with quite a bit a $$$. Though I was responsible and didn't spend it on women and booze like others in their 20's might do.
No offense, amigo, those were good years.
