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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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You kinda suck

Bear8084 said:

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I hate when our own fans use the same tired argument trolls used to make about Briles as to why we are 10-1. It completely ignores how good this team is and the hard work they have done to get there. It's not because the Big 12 is having a "down year".

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Yes
OU and UT are far better now than they were in the Briles era.

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I am a big Briles fan but I'm also objective. OU and UT weren't as good in 2013/2014 because they didn't have the QB's needed to win the B12 those years. They would have given us all we could handle with a good QB. But we were still good enough to beat them.

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Thank you for your common sense. Tough call on the best Baylor team. They were all great, but this 2019 version is the most fun to watch because of all they have overcome. What a great bunch of young men. Thank you coach Rhule for helping them to realize their potential.

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I don't see us as a national contender in 2019. Maybe in 2020 or 2021....

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Dude, we're losing a lot of players. And we're a few plays from having 4 or 5 losses. I could easily see us as being just as strong of a team next year but winding up 8-4 or 7-5. This whole conference is getting better. We're not going to get every single bounce next year. And our recruiting is not great for next year.

We need to savor this season because while the program is in good hands, we're just not going to automatically be better than 11-1 next year.

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Disagree. Recruiting is taking off.

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Recruiting will be good, but you can't buy experience and we're losing a lot on defense.

We could also be a better team with a worse record.

Savor the season (and be glad they don't have the catering contract any more).

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I am living in the moment.

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D. C. Bear said:

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I don't see us as a national contender in 2019. Maybe in 2020 or 2021....

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Dude, we're losing a lot of players. And we're a few plays from having 4 or 5 losses. I could easily see us as being just as strong of a team next year but winding up 8-4 or 7-5. This whole conference is getting better. We're not going to get every single bounce next year. And our recruiting is not great for next year.

We need to savor this season because while the program is in good hands, we're just not going to automatically be better than 11-1 next year.

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Disagree. Recruiting is taking off.

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Recruiting will be good, but you can't buy experience and we're losing a lot on defense.

We could also be a better team with a worse record.

Savor the season (and be glad they don't have the catering contract any more).

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I am living in the moment.

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You and me both. These guys are great fun to watch.

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Thee University said:

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REX said:

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Thee University said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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Art Briles teams never finished their own schedules undefeated. In fact, they never finished a season with fewer than two losses. All this nonsense about contending for national titles is revisionist history of the highest order.

And OSU and KSU are not down. They're right about where they were most years during the Briles era, and Oklahoma, Texas and Iowa State are all better than the teams they fielded at the height of Art Briles' time in Waco. It's fine to like Briles and think he was a good football coach. But let's keep some reality and objectivity in the discussion.

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KSU was ranked number one when bu beat them
OSU has had much much better teams
Texas worse?
Do you watch football?
Thanks

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We got dog-drilled by a 7-6 West Virginia team. We got curb stomped by an average Okie State team. Did you ever play football past 7th grade or maybe flag?

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I quit playing after seeing bu get " curb stomped " 2-30
Didn't want to actually be a part of that kind of embarrassment.
Thanks and happy thanksgiving!!

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Don't blame you. Don't kid yourself. You would have NEVER been able to be a part of that team!

I nearly quit myself after that game and two subsequent college all-star then the NFL drafted me. Damn. I had to play a little longer.

Are you going to make it to the Big 12 Championship game? Baylor's bowl ? Not man enough?

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Maybe but probably just gonna go to another game
Thanks for the invite though

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I did not invite you. Baylor fans only. The Baylor game is for manly men only.

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Both Briles and Rhule would laugh their a$$es off over this thread.

Then they'd probably sit down, combine their respective strengths...and fix our offense.

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I doubt very seriously if either one of them read a single post on here.

Our offense is fine. Unless we get beat by Kansas.

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Don't forget there's going to be penalties. Likely Rhule's squad has less.

Rex, since you like down talking our program, what about FSU? How many touchdowns will Florida win by this week and how many quarterbacks will FSU mow through while the Gator D tears them up? Give the gamblers some real insider knowledge.

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0&0

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Florida's staff isn't celebrating bowl bonuses. 3 touchdowns and 1 head injury is what I m betting.

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How much?
Loser quits posting for a year?
I'm in!

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Don't do it X. He's been ripped so many new @$$h0!e$ that he/she is looking for a way out. Extend it's suffering and our entertainment!!!

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I never thought a Florida State assistant coach's dad would be on a Baylor board trashing our football program. Florida State fans are getting a long weekend to suffer getting smoked by Florida. Two more games for those fans to suffer.

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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You kinda suck

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Don't understand the hurt feelings people get for posts they don't agree with - I don't mean anything personally toward anyone. I may be way off base, but that's my honest opinion. Our schedule this year has not been particularly difficult. The Big 12 just isn't that good this year. I think the Big 12 was better overall a few years ago.

That being said, we are getting much better as the season progresses this year. I'm not saying we are chopped liver or anything. I was not impressed with our record midway through the season, but I have been very impressed with the way we have played the last 2 weeks. This team plays with heart. I still think any number of teams would have our identical record playing our schedule, and quite a few would be undefeated.

Chuckroast said:

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SATXBear said:

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Chuckroast said:

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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You kinda suck

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Don't understand the hurt feelings people get for posts they don't agree with - I don't mean anything personally toward anyone. I may be way off base, but that's my honest opinion. Our schedule this year has not been particularly difficult. The Big 12 just isn't that good this year. I think the Big 12 was better overall a few years ago.

That being said, we are getting much better as the season progresses this year. I'm not saying we are chopped liver or anything. I was not impressed with our record midway through the season, but I have been very impressed with the way we have played the last 2 weeks. This team plays with heart. I still think any number of teams would have our identical record playing our schedule, and quite a few would be undefeated.

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What was better about the Big 12 in 2013 compared to 2019?

In 2013 Baylor beat a bad WVU team, they're rebuilding this year under a first year coach and we eeked out a win.

In 2013 Baylor squeaked by an 8-5 Bill Snyder coached KSU, in 2019 Baylor beat the doors off a bowl bound KSU that beat OU.

In 2013 Baylor pummeled a pathetic Iowa State team, this year Baylor came back to survive a conference contending and ranked ISU team that was almost a Big 12 title participant.

In 2013 Baylor pummeled a hapless Charlie Weis coached Kansas team, on Saturday Baylor faces a feisty and much improved Les Miles team that is better than their record.

In 2013 Baylor pulled away from a Blake Bell quarterbacked OU to win convincingly, in 2019 Baylor blew a big lead to lose in the final minute to a Heisman trophy contending QB in Jalen Hurts who commands the top offense in the conference, but will face him again in the conference title.

In 2013 Baylor pulled away late from a Kliff Kingsbury Texas Tech squad that had jumped to an early three score lead, in 2019 Baylor came back and took down Tech in double overtime a week after they had unexpectedly destroyed OSU.

In 2013 Baylor was humiliated on the road 49-17 by OSU in Stillwater, in 2019 Baylor beat the pants off of bowl bound OSU on the road.

In 2013 Baylor survived a furious TCU comeback on the road with a last second pick in the endzone to seal a narrow win over a bad TCU team, in 2019 Baylor forced OT against a TCU team that's better than their record and won on a pick in the endzone in double OT.

In 2013 Baylor got in a slugfest in the sleet with a Case McCoy led UT team and pulled away late. And the only reason this led to a Big 12 title was that OU beat OSU in Bedlam earlier in the day, handing Baylor the best record and voiding the tiebreaker held by OSU. In 2019 Baylor schooled a Sam Ehlinger led UT team and won a berth in the Big 12 title game against OU without any assistance from outside forces.

In conclusion, I see nothing about the 2013 team's schedule that suggests it was a superior one to the 2019 team.

At best it's nearly at parity, and in reality I dare say most of the teams are a little better, especially OU, UT, ISU, TCU, KU and perhaps even KSU.

It was also clear in the last portion of 2013 that both OU and OSU were playing better football than Baylor, and even though Baylor won the conference OU beat Bama in the Sugar Bowl while Baylor lost to UCF in the Fiesta, allowing OU to finish ranked #6 and Baylor to drop to #13 in the final rankings. Only OSU's loss in the Cotton Bowl, which dropped them to #17, prevented them from also finishing with a higher ranking

In 2019 Baylor will play in a Big 12 title game against a top ten team and a chance to avenge their lone narrow loss, which if the team wins will put Baylor in prime position for the College Football Playoff.

Chuckroast said:

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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You kinda suck

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Don't understand the hurt feelings people get for posts they don't agree with - I don't mean anything personally toward anyone. I may be way off base, but that's my honest opinion. Our schedule this year has not been particularly difficult. The Big 12 just isn't that good this year. I think the Big 12 was better overall a few years ago.

That being said, we are getting much better as the season progresses this year. I'm not saying we are chopped liver or anything. I was not impressed with our record midway through the season, but I have been very impressed with the way we have played the last 2 weeks. This team plays with heart. I still think any number of teams would have our identical record playing our schedule, and quite a few would be undefeated.

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You realize they actually measure this, right? The metric is called strength of record, and ours is currently eighth in the country. And our current strength of schedule (52nd) is better than both 2013 (62nd) and 2014 (60th) seasons, suggesting that your premise here is based more on internal bias and faulty memory than actual fact.

bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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SATXBear said:

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Chuckroast said:

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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You kinda suck

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Don't understand the hurt feelings people get for posts they don't agree with - I don't mean anything personally toward anyone. I may be way off base, but that's my honest opinion. Our schedule this year has not been particularly difficult. The Big 12 just isn't that good this year. I think the Big 12 was better overall a few years ago.

That being said, we are getting much better as the season progresses this year. I'm not saying we are chopped liver or anything. I was not impressed with our record midway through the season, but I have been very impressed with the way we have played the last 2 weeks. This team plays with heart. I still think any number of teams would have our identical record playing our schedule, and quite a few would be undefeated.

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You realize they actually measure this, right? The metric is called strength of record, and ours is currently eighth in the country. And our current strength of schedule (52nd) is better than both 2013 (62nd) and 2014 (60th) seasons, suggesting that your premise here is based more on internal bias and faulty memory than actual fact.

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You and milli are correct
All of bu's opponents are way better than their records and all are actually fielding their best teams ever.
Good call

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The real comparison would be, will CMR's 6th and 7th year at Baylor teams be better than CABs 13 & 14 teams?

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This. 2010 was Briles 3rd year team and it doesn't stack up to Rhules 3rd year team. I appreciate both coaches so it doesn't really matter to me. Looking forward to what Rhule can do in the next 5 years.

Could Briles' line even block our current front 3? Michigan State and West Virginia were physical lines that ate up finesse football.

Phil Snow versus Journeyman OC? What a mismatch!

Chuckroast said:

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SATXBear said:

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Chuckroast said:

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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You kinda suck

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Don't understand the hurt feelings people get for posts they don't agree with - I don't mean anything personally toward anyone. I may be way off base, but that's my honest opinion. Our schedule this year has not been particularly difficult. The Big 12 just isn't that good this year. I think the Big 12 was better overall a few years ago.

That being said, we are getting much better as the season progresses this year. I'm not saying we are chopped liver or anything. I was not impressed with our record midway through the season, but I have been very impressed with the way we have played the last 2 weeks. This team plays with heart. I still think any number of teams would have our identical record playing our schedule, and quite a few would be undefeated.

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Strength of record ranking at 8 says there is an extremely low percentage chance that would happen by any top 25 team.

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RedBear05 said:

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The real comparison would be, will CMR's 6th and 7th year at Baylor teams be better than CABs 13 & 14 teams?

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This. 2010 was Briles 3rd year team and it doesn't stack up to Rhules 3rd year team. I appreciate both coaches so it doesn't really matter to me. Looking forward to what Rhule can do in the next 5 years.

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Agree. The fair comparison is 2010 to 2019 or 2013 to 2022. I also think it depends what year the match up is played. If played in 2010 Briles might have the edge because defenses had not adjusted. If the game was played anytime between 2019 to 2022, Rhule has the advantage. Defenses have currently adjusted to the HUNH.

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Chuckroast said:

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Chuckroast said:

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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You kinda suck

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Don't understand the hurt feelings people get for posts they don't agree with - I don't mean anything personally toward anyone. I may be way off base, but that's my honest opinion. Our schedule this year has not been particularly difficult. The Big 12 just isn't that good this year. I think the Big 12 was better overall a few years ago.

That being said, we are getting much better as the season progresses this year. I'm not saying we are chopped liver or anything. I was not impressed with our record midway through the season, but I have been very impressed with the way we have played the last 2 weeks. This team plays with heart. I still think any number of teams would have our identical record playing our schedule, and quite a few would be undefeated.

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You realize they actually measure this, right? The metric is called strength of record, and ours is currently eighth in the country. And our current strength of schedule (52nd) is better than both 2013 (62nd) and 2014 (60th) seasons, suggesting that your premise here is based more on internal bias and faulty memory than actual fact.

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I'm not comparing our schedule this year strictly to the 2013 schedule, I was merely stating that I think the big 12 during the Briles era was better. It seemed every year, there were 3 - 4 really strong teams (the names sometimes changed). This year there are two If you count Baylor. Our most impressive game was probably the close loss to OU. Our best wins were over decent at best OSU and Kansas State teams. Our record is outstanding, but I'm just not sure how good we really are. Don't know why that is so controversial. We'll have a chance to prove it in the championship game and hopefully in a good bowl game. I think we need to look out for Kansas though we definitely don't need to be overlooking that one.

When you go beyond the schedule and factor in the way we dominated most of the teams on our schedule a few years ago, that is also a big differentiator.

Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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SATXBear said:

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Chuckroast said:

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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You kinda suck

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Don't understand the hurt feelings people get for posts they don't agree with - I don't mean anything personally toward anyone. I may be way off base, but that's my honest opinion. Our schedule this year has not been particularly difficult. The Big 12 just isn't that good this year. I think the Big 12 was better overall a few years ago.

That being said, we are getting much better as the season progresses this year. I'm not saying we are chopped liver or anything. I was not impressed with our record midway through the season, but I have been very impressed with the way we have played the last 2 weeks. This team plays with heart. I still think any number of teams would have our identical record playing our schedule, and quite a few would be undefeated.

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You realize they actually measure this, right? The metric is called strength of record, and ours is currently eighth in the country. And our current strength of schedule (52nd) is better than both 2013 (62nd) and 2014 (60th) seasons, suggesting that your premise here is based more on internal bias and faulty memory than actual fact.

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I'm not comparing our schedule this year strictly to the 2013 schedule, I was merely stating that I think the big 12 during the Briles era was better. It seemed every year, there were 3 - 4 really strong teams (the names sometimes changed). This year there are two If you count Baylor. Our most impressive game was probably the close loss to OU. Our best wins were over decent at best OSU and Kansas State teams. Our record is outstanding, but I'm just not sure how good we really are. Don't know why that is so controversial. We'll have a chance to prove it in the championship game and hopefully in a good bowl game. I think we need to look out for Kansas though we definitely don't need to be overlooking that one.

When you go beyond the schedule and factor in the way we dominated most of the teams on our schedule a few years ago, that is also a big differentiator.

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I think you hold to a revisionist history.

2013 Big 12 records:

#13 Baylor 11-2
#6 Oklahoma 11-2
#17 Oklahoma State 10-3
Texas 8-5
Kansas State 8-5
Texas Tech 8-5
TCU 4-8
West Virginia 4-8
Iowa State 3-9
Kansas 3-9

2014 Big 12 records:

#7 Baylor 11-2
#3 TCU 12-1
#18 KSU 9-4
Oklahoma 8-5
West Virginia 7-6
Texas 6-7
Oklahoma State 7-6
Texas tech 4-8
Kansas 3-9
Iowa State 2-10


Present Big 12 rankings with one week to go and a conference championship still to play:

#7 Oklahoma 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#9 Baylor 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#21 Oklahoma State 8-3(Play tomorrow)
#23 Iowa State 7-4 (Play tomorrow)
Texas 7-5
Kansas State 7-4(Play tomorrow)
TCU 5-6 (Playing tonight)
West Virginia 4-7 (Playing tonight)
Texas Tech 4-8
Kansas 3-8 (Play tomorrow)

As you can see, every year three teams have finished ranked, right now 4 are ranked with a week left in the season.

And in all three seasons UT has been an unranked mediocrity, OU wasn't ranked at the end of 2014 either.

It's objectively observable that the Big 12 is not down, and it can be argued it is better overall than in 2013 and 2014.

There were 6 bowl teams in 2013, 7 in 2014 and there are presently six and possibly seven if TCU wins tonight for 2019.

When Rhule wins 2 Ships, he'll be as good. Until then, no.

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When Rhule wins 2 Ships, he'll be as good. Until then, no.

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If he makes the playoff and wins a conference title game he'll have trumped anything done by finishing #13 and #7.

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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Chuckroast said:

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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You kinda suck

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Don't understand the hurt feelings people get for posts they don't agree with - I don't mean anything personally toward anyone. I may be way off base, but that's my honest opinion. Our schedule this year has not been particularly difficult. The Big 12 just isn't that good this year. I think the Big 12 was better overall a few years ago.

That being said, we are getting much better as the season progresses this year. I'm not saying we are chopped liver or anything. I was not impressed with our record midway through the season, but I have been very impressed with the way we have played the last 2 weeks. This team plays with heart. I still think any number of teams would have our identical record playing our schedule, and quite a few would be undefeated.

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You realize they actually measure this, right? The metric is called strength of record, and ours is currently eighth in the country. And our current strength of schedule (52nd) is better than both 2013 (62nd) and 2014 (60th) seasons, suggesting that your premise here is based more on internal bias and faulty memory than actual fact.

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I'm not comparing our schedule this year strictly to the 2013 schedule, I was merely stating that I think the big 12 during the Briles era was better. It seemed every year, there were 3 - 4 really strong teams (the names sometimes changed). This year there are two If you count Baylor. Our most impressive game was probably the close loss to OU. Our best wins were over decent at best OSU and Kansas State teams. Our record is outstanding, but I'm just not sure how good we really are. Don't know why that is so controversial. We'll have a chance to prove it in the championship game and hopefully in a good bowl game. I think we need to look out for Kansas though we definitely don't need to be overlooking that one.

When you go beyond the schedule and factor in the way we dominated most of the teams on our schedule a few years ago, that is also a big differentiator.

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I think you hold to a revisionist history.

2013 Big 12 records:

#13 Baylor 11-2
#6 Oklahoma 11-2
#17 Oklahoma State 10-3
Texas 8-5
Kansas State 8-5
Texas Tech 8-5
TCU 4-8
West Virginia 4-8
Iowa State 3-9
Kansas 3-9

2014 Big 12 records:

#7 Baylor 11-2
#3 TCU 12-1
#18 KSU 9-4
Oklahoma 8-5
West Virginia 7-6
Texas 6-7
Oklahoma State 7-6
Texas tech 4-8
Kansas 3-9
Iowa State 2-10


Present Big 12 rankings with one week to go and a conference championship still to play:

#7 Oklahoma 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#9 Baylor 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#21 Oklahoma State 8-3(Play tomorrow)
#23 Iowa State 7-4 (Play tomorrow)
Texas 7-5
Kansas State 7-4(Play tomorrow)
TCU 5-6 (Playing tonight)
West Virginia 4-7 (Playing tonight)
Texas Tech 4-8
Kansas 3-8 (Play tomorrow)

As you can see, every year three teams have finished ranked, right now 4 are ranked with a week left in the season.

And in all three seasons UT has been an unranked mediocrity, OU wasn't ranked at the end of 2014 either.

It's objectively observable that the Big 12 is not down, and it can be argued it is better overall than in 2013 and 2014.

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You should never ever post anything again
Stop

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Ursus Americanus said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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You kinda suck

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Don't understand the hurt feelings people get for posts they don't agree with - I don't mean anything personally toward anyone. I may be way off base, but that's my honest opinion. Our schedule this year has not been particularly difficult. The Big 12 just isn't that good this year. I think the Big 12 was better overall a few years ago.

That being said, we are getting much better as the season progresses this year. I'm not saying we are chopped liver or anything. I was not impressed with our record midway through the season, but I have been very impressed with the way we have played the last 2 weeks. This team plays with heart. I still think any number of teams would have our identical record playing our schedule, and quite a few would be undefeated.

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You realize they actually measure this, right? The metric is called strength of record, and ours is currently eighth in the country. And our current strength of schedule (52nd) is better than both 2013 (62nd) and 2014 (60th) seasons, suggesting that your premise here is based more on internal bias and faulty memory than actual fact.

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I'm not comparing our schedule this year strictly to the 2013 schedule, I was merely stating that I think the big 12 during the Briles era was better. It seemed every year, there were 3 - 4 really strong teams (the names sometimes changed). This year there are two If you count Baylor. Our most impressive game was probably the close loss to OU. Our best wins were over decent at best OSU and Kansas State teams. Our record is outstanding, but I'm just not sure how good we really are. Don't know why that is so controversial. We'll have a chance to prove it in the championship game and hopefully in a good bowl game. I think we need to look out for Kansas though we definitely don't need to be overlooking that one.

When you go beyond the schedule and factor in the way we dominated most of the teams on our schedule a few years ago, that is also a big differentiator.

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I think you hold to a revisionist history.

2013 Big 12 records:

#13 Baylor 11-2
#6 Oklahoma 11-2
#17 Oklahoma State 10-3
Texas 8-5
Kansas State 8-5
Texas Tech 8-5
TCU 4-8
West Virginia 4-8
Iowa State 3-9
Kansas 3-9

2014 Big 12 records:

#7 Baylor 11-2
#3 TCU 12-1
#18 KSU 9-4
Oklahoma 8-5
West Virginia 7-6
Texas 6-7
Oklahoma State 7-6
Texas tech 4-8
Kansas 3-9
Iowa State 2-10


Present Big 12 rankings with one week to go and a conference championship still to play:

#7 Oklahoma 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#9 Baylor 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#21 Oklahoma State 8-3(Play tomorrow)
#23 Iowa State 7-4 (Play tomorrow)
Texas 7-5
Kansas State 7-4(Play tomorrow)
TCU 5-6 (Playing tonight)
West Virginia 4-7 (Playing tonight)
Texas Tech 4-8
Kansas 3-8 (Play tomorrow)

As you can see, every year three teams have finished ranked, right now 4 are ranked with a week left in the season.

And in all three seasons UT has been an unranked mediocrity, OU wasn't ranked at the end of 2014 either.

It's objectively observable that the Big 12 is not down, and it can be argued it is better overall than in 2013 and 2014.

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Seeming you're a troll with zero ties to Baylor you should take your own advice and quit projecting.

It's clear reality is grating to your fragile sensibilities.

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Ursus Americanus said:

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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You kinda suck

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Don't understand the hurt feelings people get for posts they don't agree with - I don't mean anything personally toward anyone. I may be way off base, but that's my honest opinion. Our schedule this year has not been particularly difficult. The Big 12 just isn't that good this year. I think the Big 12 was better overall a few years ago.

That being said, we are getting much better as the season progresses this year. I'm not saying we are chopped liver or anything. I was not impressed with our record midway through the season, but I have been very impressed with the way we have played the last 2 weeks. This team plays with heart. I still think any number of teams would have our identical record playing our schedule, and quite a few would be undefeated.

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You realize they actually measure this, right? The metric is called strength of record, and ours is currently eighth in the country. And our current strength of schedule (52nd) is better than both 2013 (62nd) and 2014 (60th) seasons, suggesting that your premise here is based more on internal bias and faulty memory than actual fact.

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I'm not comparing our schedule this year strictly to the 2013 schedule, I was merely stating that I think the big 12 during the Briles era was better. It seemed every year, there were 3 - 4 really strong teams (the names sometimes changed). This year there are two If you count Baylor. Our most impressive game was probably the close loss to OU. Our best wins were over decent at best OSU and Kansas State teams. Our record is outstanding, but I'm just not sure how good we really are. Don't know why that is so controversial. We'll have a chance to prove it in the championship game and hopefully in a good bowl game. I think we need to look out for Kansas though we definitely don't need to be overlooking that one.

When you go beyond the schedule and factor in the way we dominated most of the teams on our schedule a few years ago, that is also a big differentiator.

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I think you hold to a revisionist history.

2013 Big 12 records:

#13 Baylor 11-2
#6 Oklahoma 11-2
#17 Oklahoma State 10-3
Texas 8-5
Kansas State 8-5
Texas Tech 8-5
TCU 4-8
West Virginia 4-8
Iowa State 3-9
Kansas 3-9

2014 Big 12 records:

#7 Baylor 11-2
#3 TCU 12-1
#18 KSU 9-4
Oklahoma 8-5
West Virginia 7-6
Texas 6-7
Oklahoma State 7-6
Texas tech 4-8
Kansas 3-9
Iowa State 2-10


Present Big 12 rankings with one week to go and a conference championship still to play:

#7 Oklahoma 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#9 Baylor 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#21 Oklahoma State 8-3(Play tomorrow)
#23 Iowa State 7-4 (Play tomorrow)
Texas 7-5
Kansas State 7-4(Play tomorrow)
TCU 5-6 (Playing tonight)
West Virginia 4-7 (Playing tonight)
Texas Tech 4-8
Kansas 3-8 (Play tomorrow)

As you can see, every year three teams have finished ranked, right now 4 are ranked with a week left in the season.

And in all three seasons UT has been an unranked mediocrity, OU wasn't ranked at the end of 2014 either.

It's objectively observable that the Big 12 is not down, and it can be argued it is better overall than in 2013 and 2014.

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Why? Looks like metrics included.

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Ursus Americanus said:

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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You kinda suck

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Don't understand the hurt feelings people get for posts they don't agree with - I don't mean anything personally toward anyone. I may be way off base, but that's my honest opinion. Our schedule this year has not been particularly difficult. The Big 12 just isn't that good this year. I think the Big 12 was better overall a few years ago.

That being said, we are getting much better as the season progresses this year. I'm not saying we are chopped liver or anything. I was not impressed with our record midway through the season, but I have been very impressed with the way we have played the last 2 weeks. This team plays with heart. I still think any number of teams would have our identical record playing our schedule, and quite a few would be undefeated.

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You realize they actually measure this, right? The metric is called strength of record, and ours is currently eighth in the country. And our current strength of schedule (52nd) is better than both 2013 (62nd) and 2014 (60th) seasons, suggesting that your premise here is based more on internal bias and faulty memory than actual fact.

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I'm not comparing our schedule this year strictly to the 2013 schedule, I was merely stating that I think the big 12 during the Briles era was better. It seemed every year, there were 3 - 4 really strong teams (the names sometimes changed). This year there are two If you count Baylor. Our most impressive game was probably the close loss to OU. Our best wins were over decent at best OSU and Kansas State teams. Our record is outstanding, but I'm just not sure how good we really are. Don't know why that is so controversial. We'll have a chance to prove it in the championship game and hopefully in a good bowl game. I think we need to look out for Kansas though we definitely don't need to be overlooking that one.

When you go beyond the schedule and factor in the way we dominated most of the teams on our schedule a few years ago, that is also a big differentiator.

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I think you hold to a revisionist history.

2013 Big 12 records:

#13 Baylor 11-2
#6 Oklahoma 11-2
#17 Oklahoma State 10-3
Texas 8-5
Kansas State 8-5
Texas Tech 8-5
TCU 4-8
West Virginia 4-8
Iowa State 3-9
Kansas 3-9

2014 Big 12 records:

#7 Baylor 11-2
#3 TCU 12-1
#18 KSU 9-4
Oklahoma 8-5
West Virginia 7-6
Texas 6-7
Oklahoma State 7-6
Texas tech 4-8
Kansas 3-9
Iowa State 2-10


Present Big 12 rankings with one week to go and a conference championship still to play:

#7 Oklahoma 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#9 Baylor 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#21 Oklahoma State 8-3(Play tomorrow)
#23 Iowa State 7-4 (Play tomorrow)
Texas 7-5
Kansas State 7-4(Play tomorrow)
TCU 5-6 (Playing tonight)
West Virginia 4-7 (Playing tonight)
Texas Tech 4-8
Kansas 3-8 (Play tomorrow)

As you can see, every year three teams have finished ranked, right now 4 are ranked with a week left in the season.

And in all three seasons UT has been an unranked mediocrity, OU wasn't ranked at the end of 2014 either.

It's objectively observable that the Big 12 is not down, and it can be argued it is better overall than in 2013 and 2014.

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Why? Looks like metrics included.

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He's the butt hurt father of a fired Briles staffer that can't quit trolling Baylor four years after the fact, and is really bitter we might be having our best season ever.

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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You kinda suck

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Don't understand the hurt feelings people get for posts they don't agree with - I don't mean anything personally toward anyone. I may be way off base, but that's my honest opinion. Our schedule this year has not been particularly difficult. The Big 12 just isn't that good this year. I think the Big 12 was better overall a few years ago.

That being said, we are getting much better as the season progresses this year. I'm not saying we are chopped liver or anything. I was not impressed with our record midway through the season, but I have been very impressed with the way we have played the last 2 weeks. This team plays with heart. I still think any number of teams would have our identical record playing our schedule, and quite a few would be undefeated.

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You realize they actually measure this, right? The metric is called strength of record, and ours is currently eighth in the country. And our current strength of schedule (52nd) is better than both 2013 (62nd) and 2014 (60th) seasons, suggesting that your premise here is based more on internal bias and faulty memory than actual fact.

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I'm not comparing our schedule this year strictly to the 2013 schedule, I was merely stating that I think the big 12 during the Briles era was better. It seemed every year, there were 3 - 4 really strong teams (the names sometimes changed). This year there are two If you count Baylor. Our most impressive game was probably the close loss to OU. Our best wins were over decent at best OSU and Kansas State teams. Our record is outstanding, but I'm just not sure how good we really are. Don't know why that is so controversial. We'll have a chance to prove it in the championship game and hopefully in a good bowl game. I think we need to look out for Kansas though we definitely don't need to be overlooking that one.

When you go beyond the schedule and factor in the way we dominated most of the teams on our schedule a few years ago, that is also a big differentiator.

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I think you hold to a revisionist history.

2013 Big 12 records:

#13 Baylor 11-2
#6 Oklahoma 11-2
#17 Oklahoma State 10-3
Texas 8-5
Kansas State 8-5
Texas Tech 8-5
TCU 4-8
West Virginia 4-8
Iowa State 3-9
Kansas 3-9

2014 Big 12 records:

#7 Baylor 11-2
#3 TCU 12-1
#18 KSU 9-4
Oklahoma 8-5
West Virginia 7-6
Texas 6-7
Oklahoma State 7-6
Texas tech 4-8
Kansas 3-9
Iowa State 2-10


Present Big 12 rankings with one week to go and a conference championship still to play:

#7 Oklahoma 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#9 Baylor 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#21 Oklahoma State 8-3(Play tomorrow)
#23 Iowa State 7-4 (Play tomorrow)
Texas 7-5
Kansas State 7-4(Play tomorrow)
TCU 5-6 (Playing tonight)
West Virginia 4-7 (Playing tonight)
Texas Tech 4-8
Kansas 3-8 (Play tomorrow)

As you can see, every year three teams have finished ranked, right now 4 are ranked with a week left in the season.

And in all three seasons UT has been an unranked mediocrity, OU wasn't ranked at the end of 2014 either.

It's objectively observable that the Big 12 is not down, and it can be argued it is better overall than in 2013 and 2014.

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Why? Looks like metrics included.

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Yeah, agreed. There was nothing wrong with what Ursus posted. It a pretty straightforward look at why the Big 12 isn't down and about where it was in 2013, and 2014.

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Chuckroast said:

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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You kinda suck

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Don't understand the hurt feelings people get for posts they don't agree with - I don't mean anything personally toward anyone. I may be way off base, but that's my honest opinion. Our schedule this year has not been particularly difficult. The Big 12 just isn't that good this year. I think the Big 12 was better overall a few years ago.

That being said, we are getting much better as the season progresses this year. I'm not saying we are chopped liver or anything. I was not impressed with our record midway through the season, but I have been very impressed with the way we have played the last 2 weeks. This team plays with heart. I still think any number of teams would have our identical record playing our schedule, and quite a few would be undefeated.

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You realize they actually measure this, right? The metric is called strength of record, and ours is currently eighth in the country. And our current strength of schedule (52nd) is better than both 2013 (62nd) and 2014 (60th) seasons, suggesting that your premise here is based more on internal bias and faulty memory than actual fact.

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I'm not comparing our schedule this year strictly to the 2013 schedule, I was merely stating that I think the big 12 during the Briles era was better. It seemed every year, there were 3 - 4 really strong teams (the names sometimes changed). This year there are two If you count Baylor. Our most impressive game was probably the close loss to OU. Our best wins were over decent at best OSU and Kansas State teams. Our record is outstanding, but I'm just not sure how good we really are. Don't know why that is so controversial. We'll have a chance to prove it in the championship game and hopefully in a good bowl game. I think we need to look out for Kansas though we definitely don't need to be overlooking that one.

When you go beyond the schedule and factor in the way we dominated most of the teams on our schedule a few years ago, that is also a big differentiator.

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I think you hold to a revisionist history.

2013 Big 12 records:

#13 Baylor 11-2
#6 Oklahoma 11-2
#17 Oklahoma State 10-3
Texas 8-5
Kansas State 8-5
Texas Tech 8-5
TCU 4-8
West Virginia 4-8
Iowa State 3-9
Kansas 3-9

2014 Big 12 records:

#7 Baylor 11-2
#3 TCU 12-1
#18 KSU 9-4
Oklahoma 8-5
West Virginia 7-6
Texas 6-7
Oklahoma State 7-6
Texas tech 4-8
Kansas 3-9
Iowa State 2-10


Present Big 12 rankings with one week to go and a conference championship still to play:

#7 Oklahoma 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#9 Baylor 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#21 Oklahoma State 8-3(Play tomorrow)
#23 Iowa State 7-4 (Play tomorrow)
Texas 7-5
Kansas State 7-4(Play tomorrow)
TCU 5-6 (Playing tonight)
West Virginia 4-7 (Playing tonight)
Texas Tech 4-8
Kansas 3-8 (Play tomorrow)

As you can see, every year three teams have finished ranked, right now 4 are ranked with a week left in the season.

And in all three seasons UT has been an unranked mediocrity, OU wasn't ranked at the end of 2014 either.

It's objectively observable that the Big 12 is not down, and it can be argued it is better overall than in 2013 and 2014.

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You should never ever post anything again
Stop

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You bring nothing of substance to this site. Why don't you provide some data to refute?

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BUbearinARK said:

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REX said:

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Ursus Americanus said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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You kinda suck

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Don't understand the hurt feelings people get for posts they don't agree with - I don't mean anything personally toward anyone. I may be way off base, but that's my honest opinion. Our schedule this year has not been particularly difficult. The Big 12 just isn't that good this year. I think the Big 12 was better overall a few years ago.

That being said, we are getting much better as the season progresses this year. I'm not saying we are chopped liver or anything. I was not impressed with our record midway through the season, but I have been very impressed with the way we have played the last 2 weeks. This team plays with heart. I still think any number of teams would have our identical record playing our schedule, and quite a few would be undefeated.

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You realize they actually measure this, right? The metric is called strength of record, and ours is currently eighth in the country. And our current strength of schedule (52nd) is better than both 2013 (62nd) and 2014 (60th) seasons, suggesting that your premise here is based more on internal bias and faulty memory than actual fact.

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I'm not comparing our schedule this year strictly to the 2013 schedule, I was merely stating that I think the big 12 during the Briles era was better. It seemed every year, there were 3 - 4 really strong teams (the names sometimes changed). This year there are two If you count Baylor. Our most impressive game was probably the close loss to OU. Our best wins were over decent at best OSU and Kansas State teams. Our record is outstanding, but I'm just not sure how good we really are. Don't know why that is so controversial. We'll have a chance to prove it in the championship game and hopefully in a good bowl game. I think we need to look out for Kansas though we definitely don't need to be overlooking that one.

When you go beyond the schedule and factor in the way we dominated most of the teams on our schedule a few years ago, that is also a big differentiator.

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I think you hold to a revisionist history.

2013 Big 12 records:

#13 Baylor 11-2
#6 Oklahoma 11-2
#17 Oklahoma State 10-3
Texas 8-5
Kansas State 8-5
Texas Tech 8-5
TCU 4-8
West Virginia 4-8
Iowa State 3-9
Kansas 3-9

2014 Big 12 records:

#7 Baylor 11-2
#3 TCU 12-1
#18 KSU 9-4
Oklahoma 8-5
West Virginia 7-6
Texas 6-7
Oklahoma State 7-6
Texas tech 4-8
Kansas 3-9
Iowa State 2-10


Present Big 12 rankings with one week to go and a conference championship still to play:

#7 Oklahoma 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#9 Baylor 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#21 Oklahoma State 8-3(Play tomorrow)
#23 Iowa State 7-4 (Play tomorrow)
Texas 7-5
Kansas State 7-4(Play tomorrow)
TCU 5-6 (Playing tonight)
West Virginia 4-7 (Playing tonight)
Texas Tech 4-8
Kansas 3-8 (Play tomorrow)

As you can see, every year three teams have finished ranked, right now 4 are ranked with a week left in the season.

And in all three seasons UT has been an unranked mediocrity, OU wasn't ranked at the end of 2014 either.

It's objectively observable that the Big 12 is not down, and it can be argued it is better overall than in 2013 and 2014.

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Why? Looks like metrics included.

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Yeah, agreed. There was nothing wrong with what Ursus posted. It a pretty straightforward look at why the Big 12 isn't down and about where it was in 2013, and 2014.

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You have to understand where Rex is coming from.

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BUbearinARK said:

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REX said:

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Ursus Americanus said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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You kinda suck

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Don't understand the hurt feelings people get for posts they don't agree with - I don't mean anything personally toward anyone. I may be way off base, but that's my honest opinion. Our schedule this year has not been particularly difficult. The Big 12 just isn't that good this year. I think the Big 12 was better overall a few years ago.

That being said, we are getting much better as the season progresses this year. I'm not saying we are chopped liver or anything. I was not impressed with our record midway through the season, but I have been very impressed with the way we have played the last 2 weeks. This team plays with heart. I still think any number of teams would have our identical record playing our schedule, and quite a few would be undefeated.

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You realize they actually measure this, right? The metric is called strength of record, and ours is currently eighth in the country. And our current strength of schedule (52nd) is better than both 2013 (62nd) and 2014 (60th) seasons, suggesting that your premise here is based more on internal bias and faulty memory than actual fact.

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I'm not comparing our schedule this year strictly to the 2013 schedule, I was merely stating that I think the big 12 during the Briles era was better. It seemed every year, there were 3 - 4 really strong teams (the names sometimes changed). This year there are two If you count Baylor. Our most impressive game was probably the close loss to OU. Our best wins were over decent at best OSU and Kansas State teams. Our record is outstanding, but I'm just not sure how good we really are. Don't know why that is so controversial. We'll have a chance to prove it in the championship game and hopefully in a good bowl game. I think we need to look out for Kansas though we definitely don't need to be overlooking that one.

When you go beyond the schedule and factor in the way we dominated most of the teams on our schedule a few years ago, that is also a big differentiator.

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I think you hold to a revisionist history.

2013 Big 12 records:

#13 Baylor 11-2
#6 Oklahoma 11-2
#17 Oklahoma State 10-3
Texas 8-5
Kansas State 8-5
Texas Tech 8-5
TCU 4-8
West Virginia 4-8
Iowa State 3-9
Kansas 3-9

2014 Big 12 records:

#7 Baylor 11-2
#3 TCU 12-1
#18 KSU 9-4
Oklahoma 8-5
West Virginia 7-6
Texas 6-7
Oklahoma State 7-6
Texas tech 4-8
Kansas 3-9
Iowa State 2-10


Present Big 12 rankings with one week to go and a conference championship still to play:

#7 Oklahoma 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#9 Baylor 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#21 Oklahoma State 8-3(Play tomorrow)
#23 Iowa State 7-4 (Play tomorrow)
Texas 7-5
Kansas State 7-4(Play tomorrow)
TCU 5-6 (Playing tonight)
West Virginia 4-7 (Playing tonight)
Texas Tech 4-8
Kansas 3-8 (Play tomorrow)

As you can see, every year three teams have finished ranked, right now 4 are ranked with a week left in the season.

And in all three seasons UT has been an unranked mediocrity, OU wasn't ranked at the end of 2014 either.

It's objectively observable that the Big 12 is not down, and it can be argued it is better overall than in 2013 and 2014.

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You should never ever post anything again
Stop

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Why? Looks like metrics included.

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Yeah, agreed. There was nothing wrong with what Ursus posted. It a pretty straightforward look at why the Big 12 isn't down and about where it was in 2013, and 2014.

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Some of the trolls over here will argue whether or not the sky is blue.

REX said:

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Ursus Americanus said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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SATXBear said:

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Chuckroast said:

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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You kinda suck

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Don't understand the hurt feelings people get for posts they don't agree with - I don't mean anything personally toward anyone. I may be way off base, but that's my honest opinion. Our schedule this year has not been particularly difficult. The Big 12 just isn't that good this year. I think the Big 12 was better overall a few years ago.

That being said, we are getting much better as the season progresses this year. I'm not saying we are chopped liver or anything. I was not impressed with our record midway through the season, but I have been very impressed with the way we have played the last 2 weeks. This team plays with heart. I still think any number of teams would have our identical record playing our schedule, and quite a few would be undefeated.

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You realize they actually measure this, right? The metric is called strength of record, and ours is currently eighth in the country. And our current strength of schedule (52nd) is better than both 2013 (62nd) and 2014 (60th) seasons, suggesting that your premise here is based more on internal bias and faulty memory than actual fact.

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I'm not comparing our schedule this year strictly to the 2013 schedule, I was merely stating that I think the big 12 during the Briles era was better. It seemed every year, there were 3 - 4 really strong teams (the names sometimes changed). This year there are two If you count Baylor. Our most impressive game was probably the close loss to OU. Our best wins were over decent at best OSU and Kansas State teams. Our record is outstanding, but I'm just not sure how good we really are. Don't know why that is so controversial. We'll have a chance to prove it in the championship game and hopefully in a good bowl game. I think we need to look out for Kansas though we definitely don't need to be overlooking that one.

When you go beyond the schedule and factor in the way we dominated most of the teams on our schedule a few years ago, that is also a big differentiator.

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I think you hold to a revisionist history.

2013 Big 12 records:

#13 Baylor 11-2
#6 Oklahoma 11-2
#17 Oklahoma State 10-3
Texas 8-5
Kansas State 8-5
Texas Tech 8-5
TCU 4-8
West Virginia 4-8
Iowa State 3-9
Kansas 3-9

2014 Big 12 records:

#7 Baylor 11-2
#3 TCU 12-1
#18 KSU 9-4
Oklahoma 8-5
West Virginia 7-6
Texas 6-7
Oklahoma State 7-6
Texas tech 4-8
Kansas 3-9
Iowa State 2-10


Present Big 12 rankings with one week to go and a conference championship still to play:

#7 Oklahoma 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#9 Baylor 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#21 Oklahoma State 8-3(Play tomorrow)
#23 Iowa State 7-4 (Play tomorrow)
Texas 7-5
Kansas State 7-4(Play tomorrow)
TCU 5-6 (Playing tonight)
West Virginia 4-7 (Playing tonight)
Texas Tech 4-8
Kansas 3-8 (Play tomorrow)

As you can see, every year three teams have finished ranked, right now 4 are ranked with a week left in the season.

And in all three seasons UT has been an unranked mediocrity, OU wasn't ranked at the end of 2014 either.

It's objectively observable that the Big 12 is not down, and it can be argued it is better overall than in 2013 and 2014.

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You should never ever post anything again
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Says the guy who called Houston the best team in Texas last year (after their blowout loss to 5-7 Texas Tech) and was telling us earlier this year how good the Florida State offense was going to be.

You should probably sit this (and every subsequent) college football discussion out.

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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You kinda suck

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Don't understand the hurt feelings people get for posts they don't agree with - I don't mean anything personally toward anyone. I may be way off base, but that's my honest opinion. Our schedule this year has not been particularly difficult. The Big 12 just isn't that good this year. I think the Big 12 was better overall a few years ago.

That being said, we are getting much better as the season progresses this year. I'm not saying we are chopped liver or anything. I was not impressed with our record midway through the season, but I have been very impressed with the way we have played the last 2 weeks. This team plays with heart. I still think any number of teams would have our identical record playing our schedule, and quite a few would be undefeated.

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You realize they actually measure this, right? The metric is called strength of record, and ours is currently eighth in the country. And our current strength of schedule (52nd) is better than both 2013 (62nd) and 2014 (60th) seasons, suggesting that your premise here is based more on internal bias and faulty memory than actual fact.

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I'm not comparing our schedule this year strictly to the 2013 schedule, I was merely stating that I think the big 12 during the Briles era was better. It seemed every year, there were 3 - 4 really strong teams (the names sometimes changed). This year there are two If you count Baylor. Our most impressive game was probably the close loss to OU. Our best wins were over decent at best OSU and Kansas State teams. Our record is outstanding, but I'm just not sure how good we really are. Don't know why that is so controversial. We'll have a chance to prove it in the championship game and hopefully in a good bowl game. I think we need to look out for Kansas though we definitely don't need to be overlooking that one.

When you go beyond the schedule and factor in the way we dominated most of the teams on our schedule a few years ago, that is also a big differentiator.

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I think you hold to a revisionist history.

2013 Big 12 records:

#13 Baylor 11-2
#6 Oklahoma 11-2
#17 Oklahoma State 10-3
Texas 8-5
Kansas State 8-5
Texas Tech 8-5
TCU 4-8
West Virginia 4-8
Iowa State 3-9
Kansas 3-9

2014 Big 12 records:

#7 Baylor 11-2
#3 TCU 12-1
#18 KSU 9-4
Oklahoma 8-5
West Virginia 7-6
Texas 6-7
Oklahoma State 7-6
Texas tech 4-8
Kansas 3-9
Iowa State 2-10


Present Big 12 rankings with one week to go and a conference championship still to play:

#7 Oklahoma 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#9 Baylor 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#21 Oklahoma State 8-3(Play tomorrow)
#23 Iowa State 7-4 (Play tomorrow)
Texas 7-5
Kansas State 7-4(Play tomorrow)
TCU 5-6 (Playing tonight)
West Virginia 4-7 (Playing tonight)
Texas Tech 4-8
Kansas 3-8 (Play tomorrow)

As you can see, every year three teams have finished ranked, right now 4 are ranked with a week left in the season.

And in all three seasons UT has been an unranked mediocrity, OU wasn't ranked at the end of 2014 either.

It's objectively observable that the Big 12 is not down, and it can be argued it is better overall than in 2013 and 2014.

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Why? Looks like metrics included.

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He's the butt hurt father of a fired Briles staffer that can't quit trolling Baylor four years after the fact, and is really bitter we might be having our best season ever.

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Well, this week I hope the inseminoles beat the overratergators. But after that I'll go back to laughing at criminole losses

Rex follows me around to police the internet for the former washed up regime. He likes to bark about Baylor but the terrible job done the by the soon to be on the street fired Florida State coaching staff is off limits. Most of us weren't even born the last time Florida State was this bad.
Florida is going to roll Florida State this evening.

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Rex follows me around to police the internet for the former washed up regime. He likes to bark about Baylor but the terrible job done the by the soon to be on the street fired Florida State coaching staff is off limits. Most of us weren't even born the last time Florida State was this bad.
Florida is going to roll Florida State this evening.

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I just worry about you little man
Get some sleep

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Rex follows me around to police the internet for the former washed up regime. He likes to bark about Baylor but the terrible job done the by the soon to be on the street fired Florida State coaching staff is off limits. Most of us weren't even born the last time Florida State was this bad.
Florida is going to roll Florida State this evening.

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I just worry about you little man
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Thank you for proving my point.

Rex, I have much bigger and more important things to lose sleep over than your son, who couldn't get a football coaching job at the junior high I attended and his boss who moves more times than a tent city resident.

You bragged after Houston was dog drilled in the Armed Forces Bowl last season about this season. What's next to brag about football wise? Is it time to brag about having more time to plan for the next move?

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When Rhule wins 2 Ships, he'll be as good. Until then, no.

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Timmy, Timmy Timmy.

Look, Mount Vernon may rebound next season and you and all of the yellow dawg riders can look forward to stopping at that worn out Pilot's Travel Center in Sulphur Springs or hold out for that bean burrito at the Love's Travel Stop right there in Mt. Vernon.

We've got you motel rooms at the American Inn.

Ships? Here is the SS Briles after he finished running the Baylor program into the ground and abandoning ship.







Art with his lil buddy Ian surveying damage just prior to leaving Waco.

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I think the 13/14 team destroys every team on our schedule this year except for OU. Because it was a home game and because this OU team has a poor defense, I think we still win that game handily and are easily sitting undefeated.

I have been pleasantly surprised by our team this year, but OSU, KSU, and TCU are all down, and TX is their usual average team. There are probably at least 20 other teams this year that would have only 1 loss with our schedule.

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Don't understand the hurt feelings people get for posts they don't agree with - I don't mean anything personally toward anyone. I may be way off base, but that's my honest opinion. Our schedule this year has not been particularly difficult. The Big 12 just isn't that good this year. I think the Big 12 was better overall a few years ago.

That being said, we are getting much better as the season progresses this year. I'm not saying we are chopped liver or anything. I was not impressed with our record midway through the season, but I have been very impressed with the way we have played the last 2 weeks. This team plays with heart. I still think any number of teams would have our identical record playing our schedule, and quite a few would be undefeated.

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You realize they actually measure this, right? The metric is called strength of record, and ours is currently eighth in the country. And our current strength of schedule (52nd) is better than both 2013 (62nd) and 2014 (60th) seasons, suggesting that your premise here is based more on internal bias and faulty memory than actual fact.

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I'm not comparing our schedule this year strictly to the 2013 schedule, I was merely stating that I think the big 12 during the Briles era was better. It seemed every year, there were 3 - 4 really strong teams (the names sometimes changed). This year there are two If you count Baylor. Our most impressive game was probably the close loss to OU. Our best wins were over decent at best OSU and Kansas State teams. Our record is outstanding, but I'm just not sure how good we really are. Don't know why that is so controversial. We'll have a chance to prove it in the championship game and hopefully in a good bowl game. I think we need to look out for Kansas though we definitely don't need to be overlooking that one.

When you go beyond the schedule and factor in the way we dominated most of the teams on our schedule a few years ago, that is also a big differentiator.

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I think you hold to a revisionist history.

2013 Big 12 records:

#13 Baylor 11-2
#6 Oklahoma 11-2
#17 Oklahoma State 10-3
Texas 8-5
Kansas State 8-5
Texas Tech 8-5
TCU 4-8
West Virginia 4-8
Iowa State 3-9
Kansas 3-9

2014 Big 12 records:

#7 Baylor 11-2
#3 TCU 12-1
#18 KSU 9-4
Oklahoma 8-5
West Virginia 7-6
Texas 6-7
Oklahoma State 7-6
Texas tech 4-8
Kansas 3-9
Iowa State 2-10


Present Big 12 rankings with one week to go and a conference championship still to play:

#7 Oklahoma 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#9 Baylor 10-1(Play tomorrow)
#21 Oklahoma State 8-3(Play tomorrow)
#23 Iowa State 7-4 (Play tomorrow)
Texas 7-5
Kansas State 7-4(Play tomorrow)
TCU 5-6 (Playing tonight)
West Virginia 4-7 (Playing tonight)
Texas Tech 4-8
Kansas 3-8 (Play tomorrow)

As you can see, every year three teams have finished ranked, right now 4 are ranked with a week left in the season.

And in all three seasons UT has been an unranked mediocrity, OU wasn't ranked at the end of 2014 either.

It's objectively observable that the Big 12 is not down, and it can be argued it is better overall than in 2013 and 2014.

There were 6 bowl teams in 2013, 7 in 2014 and there are presently six and possibly seven if TCU wins tonight for 2019.

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Easy now. Truth here on the pencil neck revisionist history board causes CABers to snap into self flagellation.