Anyone listened to this interview? It should be getting more attention than it is. Nothing we don't already know...just unbelievable how the facts and biases swallowed up everything.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wins-losses-with-clay-travis/id1464161769

Interesting interview. I thought it humanized Art a little and gave some good insight into what makes him tick.

Unfortunately, I thought he still came off as pretty out of touch when the conversation strayed from the football field. The thing that's always frustrated me about Briles is that he's never seemed to understand that the Title IX stuff was a symptom of a larger culture problem within his program. He's never owned the lack of discipline that made our scandal possible and he helped cultivate.

If it wasn't Title IX issues, it was going to be something else because he made a habit of bringing in questionable characters and failing to provide the necessary oversight to keep them in line/help them succeed.

I've always thought that the characterization of Art Briles as a rape enabler was unfair. But I do think his lack of leadership/organizational oversight led to a higher percentage than desired of entitled/enabled players. You can't take the hands-off approach he took to character development at the college level. That's just asking for disaster.

Good listen. Glad Travis took the time.

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Interesting interview. I thought it humanized Art a little and gave some good insight into what makes him tick.

Unfortunately, I thought he still came off as pretty out of touch when the conversation strayed from the football field. The thing that's always frustrated me about Briles is that he's never seemed to understand that the Title IX stuff was a symptom of a larger culture problem within his program. He's never owned the lack of discipline that made our scandal possible and he helped cultivate.

If it wasn't Title IX issues, it was going to be something else because he made a habit of bringing in questionable characters and failing to provide the necessary oversight to keep them in line/help them succeed.

I've always thought that the characterization of Art Briles as a rape enabler was unfair. But I do think his lack of leadership/organizational oversight led to a higher percentage than desired of entitled/enabled players. You can't take the hands-off approach he took to character development at the college level. That's just asking for disaster.

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Travis absolutely destroys your take on Oakman. Of course, he understands the law and the system.

Beyond that, I'm not sure how your comment relates to the podcast at all. And it's largely speculative hooey.

bear2be2 said:

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Interesting interview. I thought it humanized Art a little and gave some good insight into what makes him tick.

Unfortunately, I thought he still came off as pretty out of touch when the conversation strayed from the football field. The thing that's always frustrated me about Briles is that he's never seemed to understand that the Title IX stuff was a symptom of a larger culture problem within his program. He's never owned the lack of discipline that made our scandal possible and he helped cultivate.

If it wasn't Title IX issues, it was going to be something else because he made a habit of bringing in questionable characters and failing to provide the necessary oversight to keep them in line/help them succeed.

I've always thought that the characterization of Art Briles as a rape enabler was unfair. But I do think his lack of leadership/organizational oversight led to a higher percentage than desired of entitled/enabled players. You can't take the hands-off approach he took to character development at the college level. That's just asking for disaster.

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Perhaps it might have helped if Ken Starr would have had the nuts to tell the BOR thugs that despite their hatred of anything not right wing, Baylor had no choice other than to go all in to Title IX, and provide leadership, training and fear of dismissal for everyone, professors, deans, coaches, et al, if they did not do as instructed. Instructed is the operative word.

Instead, we left a football coach from Rule, Texas Tech and Houston to make those decisions.

That is called abdication of responsibility. Failure of leadership. By Starr.

Starr had argued more than thirty cases to the UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT!!!

He knew the law. He hated the law and was a coward when he failed to confront the BOR members.

There was the law and there was the "Dear Colleague" letter (not a law) - big difference.

GruntTuff said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Interesting interview. I thought it humanized Art a little and gave some good insight into what makes him tick.

Unfortunately, I thought he still came off as pretty out of touch when the conversation strayed from the football field. The thing that's always frustrated me about Briles is that he's never seemed to understand that the Title IX stuff was a symptom of a larger culture problem within his program. He's never owned the lack of discipline that made our scandal possible and he helped cultivate.

If it wasn't Title IX issues, it was going to be something else because he made a habit of bringing in questionable characters and failing to provide the necessary oversight to keep them in line/help them succeed.

I've always thought that the characterization of Art Briles as a rape enabler was unfair. But I do think his lack of leadership/organizational oversight led to a higher percentage than desired of entitled/enabled players. You can't take the hands-off approach he took to character development at the college level. That's just asking for disaster.

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Perhaps it might have helped if Ken Starr would have had the nuts to tell the BOR thugs that despite their hatred of anything not right wing, Baylor had no choice other than to go all in to Title IX, and provide leadership, training and fear of dismissal for everyone, professors, deans, coaches, et al, if they did not do as instructed. Instructed is the operative word.

Instead, we left a football coach from Rule, Texas Tech and Houston to make those decisions.

That is called abdication of responsibility. Failure of leadership. By Starr.

Starr had argued more than thirty cases to the UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT!!!

He knew the law. He hated the law and was a coward when he failed to confront the BOR members.

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Starr's cowardice and ineptitude destroyed more than a few lives.

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There was the law and there was the "Dear Colleague" letter (not a law) - big difference.

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Title IX is law. The Dear Colleague letter was a clear signal to anyone with a brain to get your act together.

Starr personally disliked the law and the letter and his refusal to act in the best interest of Baylor had terrible consequences. His inaction was cowardly, leaving the institution vulnerable and people's lives at risk.

GruntTuff said:

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57Bear said:

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There was the law and there was the "Dear Colleague" letter (not a law) - big difference.

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Title IX is law. The Dear Colleague letter was a clear signal to anyone with a brain to get your act together.

Starr personally disliked the law and the letter and his refusal to act in the best interest of Baylor had terrible consequences. His inaction was cowardly, leaving the institution vulnerable and people's lives at risk.

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Title IX is a funding equity law. The OCR guidance is based on that agency's extension of the law to include other forms of "discrimination" in education unrelated to funding. Whether such application is constitutional and/or in concert with intent remains to be decided. In any event, Baylor should have either petitioned for redress, or complied with the guidance; not ignored it like the vast majority of other institutions did.

Regardless, the events of this "volleyball" case make the consideration and application of T9 protocol moot.

Starr messed up. He was fired for it.

While it's unreasonable to expect a football coach to have a complete understanding of Title IX and it's implications, especially when the school didn't have a clear procedure, the football coach should still have a basic understanding of what to do when these situations present themselves other than "handling it internally". That works for high school, but when you are paid millions and you are the highest paid employee of an organization, you can't just sweep big problems under the rug and hope they go away.

Starr is still ensnared in a legal fight at Baylor, the world's largest Baptist university. A Title IX lawsuit filed by 10 women alleges that Baylor officials had mishandled their sexual-misconduct reports. He said on Sunday that he also expects to be deposed soon in an investigation into Baylor by the National Collegiate Athletic Association. So as he was speaking at a conference on higher-education law, the institution he used to lead stood accused of having violated higher-education law.

But Starr seemed bullish on how those legal battles will end up. When the first reports came out about Baylor and sexual assault, he said, "it looked like it was an athletic-department issue. It turned out, it was not. And I hope that will eventually be the conclusion of the NCAA, the private litigation, and so forth." (He declined to elaborate after the event.)

https://www.chronicle.com/article/When-Kenneth-Starr-Gives-the/245602

I have a love hate relationship with baylor.

This conversation is stirring up stuff I had let go for my own health. Sometimes though I cant believe I am such a fanatic.

Glad this all ultimately got addressed but hate they way it was done.

I do think baylor students and faculty are better positioned now than ever. That said I will refrain from grandstanding for the 100th time my disdain for that board. I hope briles has success again because he is not an enabler.

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GruntTuff said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Interesting interview. I thought it humanized Art a little and gave some good insight into what makes him tick.

Unfortunately, I thought he still came off as pretty out of touch when the conversation strayed from the football field. The thing that's always frustrated me about Briles is that he's never seemed to understand that the Title IX stuff was a symptom of a larger culture problem within his program. He's never owned the lack of discipline that made our scandal possible and he helped cultivate.

If it wasn't Title IX issues, it was going to be something else because he made a habit of bringing in questionable characters and failing to provide the necessary oversight to keep them in line/help them succeed.

I've always thought that the characterization of Art Briles as a rape enabler was unfair. But I do think his lack of leadership/organizational oversight led to a higher percentage than desired of entitled/enabled players. You can't take the hands-off approach he took to character development at the college level. That's just asking for disaster.

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Perhaps it might have helped if Ken Starr would have had the nuts to tell the BOR thugs that despite their hatred of anything not right wing, Baylor had no choice other than to go all in to Title IX, and provide leadership, training and fear of dismissal for everyone, professors, deans, coaches, et al, if they did not do as instructed. Instructed is the operative word.

Instead, we left a football coach from Rule, Texas Tech and Houston to make those decisions.

That is called abdication of responsibility. Failure of leadership. By Starr.

Starr had argued more than thirty cases to the UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT!!!

He knew the law. He hated the law and was a coward when he failed to confront the BOR members.

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Starr's cowardice and ineptitude destroyed more than a few lives.

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zunooreo said:

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Stranger said:

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GruntTuff said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Interesting interview. I thought it humanized Art a little and gave some good insight into what makes him tick.

Unfortunately, I thought he still came off as pretty out of touch when the conversation strayed from the football field. The thing that's always frustrated me about Briles is that he's never seemed to understand that the Title IX stuff was a symptom of a larger culture problem within his program. He's never owned the lack of discipline that made our scandal possible and he helped cultivate.

If it wasn't Title IX issues, it was going to be something else because he made a habit of bringing in questionable characters and failing to provide the necessary oversight to keep them in line/help them succeed.

I've always thought that the characterization of Art Briles as a rape enabler was unfair. But I do think his lack of leadership/organizational oversight led to a higher percentage than desired of entitled/enabled players. You can't take the hands-off approach he took to character development at the college level. That's just asking for disaster.

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Perhaps it might have helped if Ken Starr would have had the nuts to tell the BOR thugs that despite their hatred of anything not right wing, Baylor had no choice other than to go all in to Title IX, and provide leadership, training and fear of dismissal for everyone, professors, deans, coaches, et al, if they did not do as instructed. Instructed is the operative word.

Instead, we left a football coach from Rule, Texas Tech and Houston to make those decisions.

That is called abdication of responsibility. Failure of leadership. By Starr.

Starr had argued more than thirty cases to the UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT!!!

He knew the law. He hated the law and was a coward when he failed to confront the BOR members.

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Starr's cowardice and ineptitude destroyed more than a few lives.

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Nothing to see if you choose to close your eyes...

That's right, Grunt

It's not. There was no Title IX office when I was in school in the 90s and I don't remember out of control rapists roaming campus. Rape is rape. A criminal act that should be investigated by professionals, not college administrators.

The lack of such an office did not contribute to the problem, only the liabilities.

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It's not. There was no Title IX office when I was in school in the 90s and I don't remember out of control rapists roaming campus. Rape is rape. A criminal act that should be investigated by professionals, not college administrators.

The lack of such an office did not contribute to the problem, only the liabilities.

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Wrong. 20-30 years ago women didn't report assaults. Your experience then has no applicability to today.

Please tell us about the "professionals" who were assigned by Baylor to handle these issues. How successful were they. Baylor is the nation's poster child for sexual assault.

Baylor PD???

WacoPD??

Ramsouer? However that loser spells his name?

No one was trained. No responsibilities were assigned. It was the arrogantly blind leading the "not my job) blind ALL OVER CAMPUS. Not just football.

And yet the true culprits skated.

But the football coach is the face of the problem....shunned.....while Ken Starr is defending our"president" and being the idol on Fox News.

GruntTuff said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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It's not. There was no Title IX office when I was in school in the 90s and I don't remember out of control rapists roaming campus. Rape is rape. A criminal act that should be investigated by professionals, not college administrators.

The lack of such an office did not contribute to the problem, only the liabilities.

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Wrong. 20-30 years ago women didn't report assaults. Your experience then has no applicability to today.

Please tell us about the "professionals" who were assigned by Baylor to handle these issues. How successful were they. Baylor is the nation's poster child for sexual assault.

Baylor PD???

WacoPD??

Ramsouer? However that loser spells his name?

No one was trained. No responsibilities were assigned. It was the arrogantly blind leading the "not my job) blind ALL OVER CAMPUS. Not just football.

And yet the true culprits skated.

But the football coach is the face of the problem....shunned.....while Ken Starr is defending our"president" and being the idol on Fox News.

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Nope. Dead right. College administrators with zero education in sexual assaults and crimes should not be put in charge. Not now, not then.

The lack of an office in the late 2000s did not put our students at a higher risk but it did put our university at higher liability.

Simply stated, if you want to decrease crime on campus, add more officers - not more professors.

We had a BOR more worried about their attendance record at Sunday school and their personal reputations than worrying about girls they viewed as sinners who were having premarital sex. Much less when it came down to interracial sex ...oh the horror.

Our only official approach prior to Title IX was punishing girls through judicial affairs or ostracizing them rather than accepting college kids had sex and protecting and addressing the university wide problem when consensual sex crossed the line into sexual abuse/abuse. It became a safe haven for the wolves by default, because the girls were terrified to become the "guilty"... Our BoR looked at is as the risk they took When engaging in "sin".

Then they panicked, had a convenient face/fall guy for the problem (football) and fed the narrative to protect their own failures. It's what you get when you choose your leaders based on religious piety and ability to donate money..but with little to no actual leadership abilities on how to run a billion dollar university. Then, year after year, they simply created a culture of like minded, completely protected and untouchable echo chamber of their own weaknesses and biases.

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We had a BOR more worried about their attendance record at Sunday school and their personal reputations than worrying about girls they viewed as sinners who were having premarital sex. Much less when it came down to interracial sex ...oh the horror.

Our only official approach prior to Title IX was punishing girls through judicial affairs or ostracizing them rather than accepting college kids had sex and protecting and addressing the university wide problem when consensual sex crossed the line into sexual abuse/abuse. It became a safe haven for the wolves by default, because the girls were terrified to become the "guilty"... Our BoR looked at is as the risk they took When engaging in "sin".

Then they panicked, had a convenient face/fall guy for the problem (football) and fed the narrative to protect their own failures. It's what you get when you choose your leaders based on religious piety and ability to donate money..but with little to no actual leadership abilities on how to run a billion dollar university. Then, year after year, they simply created a culture of like minded, completely protected and untouchable echo chamber of their own weaknesses and biases.

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Perfect summation of the Regents.

Except most them have not donated to Baylor nearly enough money to even deserve their seats.

That was a great interview and there's another really good interview on The Checkdown Podcast HTX , it's on YouTube

GrowlTowel said:

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GruntTuff said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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It's not. There was no Title IX office when I was in school in the 90s and I don't remember out of control rapists roaming campus. Rape is rape. A criminal act that should be investigated by professionals, not college administrators.

The lack of such an office did not contribute to the problem, only the liabilities.

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Wrong. 20-30 years ago women didn't report assaults. Your experience then has no applicability to today.

Please tell us about the "professionals" who were assigned by Baylor to handle these issues. How successful were they. Baylor is the nation's poster child for sexual assault.

Baylor PD???

WacoPD??

Ramsouer? However that loser spells his name?

No one was trained. No responsibilities were assigned. It was the arrogantly blind leading the "not my job) blind ALL OVER CAMPUS. Not just football.

And yet the true culprits skated.

But the football coach is the face of the problem....shunned.....while Ken Starr is defending our"president" and being the idol on Fox News.

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Nope. Dead right. College administrators with zero education in sexual assaults and crimes should not be put in charge. Not now, not then.

The lack of an office in the late 2000s did not put our students at a higher risk but it did put our university at higher liability.

Simply stated, if you want to decrease crime on campus, add more officers - not more professors.

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So, as you see it, the solution was to add more officers and ignore Title IX implementation, training and enforcement.

Who was to make that decision? Ken Starr?? Ramsouer?? The BOR?? The dean of the business school? The head football coach??

Starr was the President. Ramsouer was in charge of the Baylor police. The BOR set the budget.

Who had responsibility? Where was leadership?

The lobbyist thug from Austin ran the BOR with an iron hand. Ever read his letter about Baylor women? What did he call them?

Ramsouer knew where his bread was buttered, and it wasn't Ken Starr. Ramsouer ( in charge of Baylor PD) had as his main goal to protect the pious image of Baylor. No bad news!! We can't have any rumors about Baylor coeds drinking or having sex.

So, NO ONE was in charge, and Art Briles was the convenient scapegoat.

Was he perfect? Of course not. Name me a D1 head coach who is.

Would Briles have followed the rules and procedures, had there been rules and procedures to follow?

I believe he would have done as told if he knew it meant his job if he failed to do so.

There were no rules.....not just for athletics, but for the entire campus.

Failure of leadership at the highest level.

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That was a great interview and there's another really good interview on The Checkdown Podcast HTX , it's on YouTube

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URL please.

GruntTuff said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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GruntTuff said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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It's not. There was no Title IX office when I was in school in the 90s and I don't remember out of control rapists roaming campus. Rape is rape. A criminal act that should be investigated by professionals, not college administrators.

The lack of such an office did not contribute to the problem, only the liabilities.

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Wrong. 20-30 years ago women didn't report assaults. Your experience then has no applicability to today.

Please tell us about the "professionals" who were assigned by Baylor to handle these issues. How successful were they. Baylor is the nation's poster child for sexual assault.

Baylor PD???

WacoPD??

Ramsouer? However that loser spells his name?

No one was trained. No responsibilities were assigned. It was the arrogantly blind leading the "not my job) blind ALL OVER CAMPUS. Not just football.

And yet the true culprits skated.

But the football coach is the face of the problem....shunned.....while Ken Starr is defending our"president" and being the idol on Fox News.

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Nope. Dead right. College administrators with zero education in sexual assaults and crimes should not be put in charge. Not now, not then.

The lack of an office in the late 2000s did not put our students at a higher risk but it did put our university at higher liability.

Simply stated, if you want to decrease crime on campus, add more officers - not more professors.

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So, as you see it, the solution was to add more officers and ignore Title IX implementation, training and enforcement.

Who was to make that decision? Ken Starr?? Ramsouer?? The BOR?? The dean of the business school? The head football coach??

Starr was the President. Ramsouer was in charge of the Baylor police. The BOR set the budget.

Who had responsibility? Where was leadership?

The lobbyist thug from Austin ran the BOR with an iron hand. Ever read his letter about Baylor women? What did he call them?

Ramsouer knew where his bread was buttered, and it wasn't Ken Starr. Ramsouer ( in charge of Baylor PD) had as his main goal to protect the pious image of Baylor. No bad news!! We can't have any rumors about Baylor coeds drinking or having sex.

So, NO ONE was in charge, and Art Briles was the convenient scapegoat.

Was he perfect? Of course not. Name me a D1 head coach who is.

Would Briles have followed the rules and procedures, had there been rules and procedures to follow?

I believe he would have done as told if he knew it meant his job if he failed to do so.

There were no rules.....not just for athletics, but for the entire campus.

Failure of leadership at the highest level.

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I take it that you don't argue for a living. You lost this when you conceded my point. Nothing left to say.

Thanks.

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DAC said:

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That was a great interview and there's another really good interview on The Checkdown Podcast HTX , it's on YouTube

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URL please.

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Go to YouTube and search checkdown podcast Art Briles. I don't know how to post it here or I would , sorry

GrowlTowel said:

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GruntTuff said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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It's not. There was no Title IX office when I was in school in the 90s and I don't remember out of control rapists roaming campus. Rape is rape. A criminal act that should be investigated by professionals, not college administrators.

The lack of such an office did not contribute to the problem, only the liabilities.

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Wrong. 20-30 years ago women didn't report assaults. Your experience then has no applicability to today.

Please tell us about the "professionals" who were assigned by Baylor to handle these issues. How successful were they. Baylor is the nation's poster child for sexual assault.

Baylor PD???

WacoPD??

Ramsouer? However that loser spells his name?

No one was trained. No responsibilities were assigned. It was the arrogantly blind leading the "not my job) blind ALL OVER CAMPUS. Not just football.

And yet the true culprits skated.

But the football coach is the face of the problem....shunned.....while Ken Starr is defending our"president" and being the idol on Fox News.

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Nope. Dead right. College administrators with zero education in sexual assaults and crimes should not be put in charge. Not now, not then.

The lack of an office in the late 2000s did not put our students at a higher risk but it did put our university at higher liability.

Simply stated, if you want to decrease crime on campus, add more officers - not more professors.

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You are correct

GruntTuff said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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GruntTuff said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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It's not. There was no Title IX office when I was in school in the 90s and I don't remember out of control rapists roaming campus. Rape is rape. A criminal act that should be investigated by professionals, not college administrators.

The lack of such an office did not contribute to the problem, only the liabilities.

---

Wrong. 20-30 years ago women didn't report assaults. Your experience then has no applicability to today.

Please tell us about the "professionals" who were assigned by Baylor to handle these issues. How successful were they. Baylor is the nation's poster child for sexual assault.

Baylor PD???

WacoPD??

Ramsouer? However that loser spells his name?

No one was trained. No responsibilities were assigned. It was the arrogantly blind leading the "not my job) blind ALL OVER CAMPUS. Not just football.

And yet the true culprits skated.

But the football coach is the face of the problem....shunned.....while Ken Starr is defending our"president" and being the idol on Fox News.

---

Nope. Dead right. College administrators with zero education in sexual assaults and crimes should not be put in charge. Not now, not then.

The lack of an office in the late 2000s did not put our students at a higher risk but it did put our university at higher liability.

Simply stated, if you want to decrease crime on campus, add more officers - not more professors.

---

So, as you see it, the solution was to add more officers and ignore Title IX implementation, training and enforcement.

Who was to make that decision? Ken Starr?? Ramsouer?? The BOR?? The dean of the business school? The head football coach??

Starr was the President. Ramsouer was in charge of the Baylor police. The BOR set the budget.

Who had responsibility? Where was leadership?

The lobbyist thug from Austin ran the BOR with an iron hand. Ever read his letter about Baylor women? What did he call them?

Ramsouer knew where his bread was buttered, and it wasn't Ken Starr. Ramsouer ( in charge of Baylor PD) had as his main goal to protect the pious image of Baylor. No bad news!! We can't have any rumors about Baylor coeds drinking or having sex.

So, NO ONE was in charge, and Art Briles was the convenient scapegoat.

Was he perfect? Of course not. Name me a D1 head coach who is.

Would Briles have followed the rules and procedures, had there been rules and procedures to follow?

I believe he would have done as told if he knew it meant his job if he failed to do so.

There were no rules.....not just for athletics, but for the entire campus.

Failure of leadership at the highest level.

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You make a lot of good points, but Briles was ultimately in charge of the football program. There were failures in his administrative leadership, so he was justly fired.

Keep telling yourself that. Saxt.

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Keep telling yourself that. Saxt.

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Well, it is the truth.

Dman said:

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We had a BOR more worried about their attendance record at Sunday school and their personal reputations than worrying about girls they viewed as sinners who were having premarital sex. Much less when it came down to interracial sex ...oh the horror.

Our only official approach prior to Title IX was punishing girls through judicial affairs or ostracizing them rather than accepting college kids had sex and protecting and addressing the university wide problem when consensual sex crossed the line into sexual abuse/abuse. It became a safe haven for the wolves by default, because the girls were terrified to become the "guilty"... Our BoR looked at is as the risk they took When engaging in "sin".

Then they panicked, had a convenient face/fall guy for the problem (football) and fed the narrative to protect their own failures. It's what you get when you choose your leaders based on religious piety and ability to donate money..but with little to no actual leadership abilities on how to run a billion dollar university. Then, year after year, they simply created a culture of like minded, completely protected and untouchable echo chamber of their own weaknesses and biases.

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Interesting. Starr was the one who did not believe in title 9 though. He blocked it as much as anyone.

SATXBear said:

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GruntTuff said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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GruntTuff said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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It's not. There was no Title IX office when I was in school in the 90s and I don't remember out of control rapists roaming campus. Rape is rape. A criminal act that should be investigated by professionals, not college administrators.

The lack of such an office did not contribute to the problem, only the liabilities.

---

Wrong. 20-30 years ago women didn't report assaults. Your experience then has no applicability to today.

Please tell us about the "professionals" who were assigned by Baylor to handle these issues. How successful were they. Baylor is the nation's poster child for sexual assault.

Baylor PD???

WacoPD??

Ramsouer? However that loser spells his name?

No one was trained. No responsibilities were assigned. It was the arrogantly blind leading the "not my job) blind ALL OVER CAMPUS. Not just football.

And yet the true culprits skated.

But the football coach is the face of the problem....shunned.....while Ken Starr is defending our"president" and being the idol on Fox News.

---

Nope. Dead right. College administrators with zero education in sexual assaults and crimes should not be put in charge. Not now, not then.

The lack of an office in the late 2000s did not put our students at a higher risk but it did put our university at higher liability.

Simply stated, if you want to decrease crime on campus, add more officers - not more professors.

---

So, as you see it, the solution was to add more officers and ignore Title IX implementation, training and enforcement.

Who was to make that decision? Ken Starr?? Ramsouer?? The BOR?? The dean of the business school? The head football coach??

Starr was the President. Ramsouer was in charge of the Baylor police. The BOR set the budget.

Who had responsibility? Where was leadership?

The lobbyist thug from Austin ran the BOR with an iron hand. Ever read his letter about Baylor women? What did he call them?

Ramsouer knew where his bread was buttered, and it wasn't Ken Starr. Ramsouer ( in charge of Baylor PD) had as his main goal to protect the pious image of Baylor. No bad news!! We can't have any rumors about Baylor coeds drinking or having sex.

So, NO ONE was in charge, and Art Briles was the convenient scapegoat.

Was he perfect? Of course not. Name me a D1 head coach who is.

Would Briles have followed the rules and procedures, had there been rules and procedures to follow?

I believe he would have done as told if he knew it meant his job if he failed to do so.

There were no rules.....not just for athletics, but for the entire campus.

Failure of leadership at the highest level.

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You make a lot of good points, but Briles was ultimately in charge of the football program. There were failures in his administrative leadership, so he was justly fired.

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Funny..even the failed BoR does not agree with you since he was terminated...WITHOUT CAUSE, given a letter of recommendation, and paid TENS OF MILLIONS.

He could have been kept, and made the adjustments necessary. He would have done it. He did not cover up rape. He was no different than Gary Patterson (still has his job) or 50 other P5 coaches.

Your argument fails every time you say Briles was justly fired, but then spend the rest of your time exonerating the BoR and make excuses on why they shouldn't have been. It's Keyer level shill/ hypocrisy. Plain and simple.

SATXBear said:

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Timbear said:

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Keep telling yourself that. Saxt.

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Well, it is the truth.

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You have a habit of calling your OPINION..fact/truth.

The FACT/TRUTH..is that it is nothing more than your opinion.

Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Timbear said:

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Keep telling yourself that. Saxt.

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Well, it is the truth.

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You have a habit of calling your OPINION..fact/truth.

The FACT/TRUTH..is that it is nothing more than your opinion.

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Facts - Like it was "Official Policy" for Judicial Affairs to punish victims that came forward. Yes some clown actually said that. Couldn't be more made up.

Wow what a hypocrite

Keyser Soze said:

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Dman said:

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SATXBear said:

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Timbear said:

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Keep telling yourself that. Saxt.

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Well, it is the truth.

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You have a habit of calling your OPINION..fact/truth.

The FACT/TRUTH..is that it is nothing more than your opinion.

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Facts - Like it was "Official Policy" for Judicial Affairs to punish victims that came forward. Yes some clown actually said that. Couldn't be more made up.

Wow what a hypocrite

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Look who got the bat signal. Never fails. The only time you ever show up..is when your employers tug your leash.

4 years of paid hypocrisy and counting.