WHY is Grimes coming to Baylor as new OC?

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Timbear said:

Just listened to a Grimes interview. This guy is a state of Texas guy. I predict he'll rival Art in Offensive Production and winning. With Randa on D and Grimes on O, we could be in a great place. He's 52, I think, so if he does good and stays 3 years, we'll be fortunate.


I would wait and see what plans he has to install and how long they will take to learn. From what I read it's a simple playback but has a lot of jet sweeps and pre-snap formation changes. It is high production, but it has been called a power spread with heavy emphasis on big linemen and run plays. He most likely be very productive his first year here, but I expect bigger results in his second year.
I think that's a pretty fair way to look at it. The bar is so low that I'm sure we will see improvements next year....but I don't expect us to be melting scoreboards in the first year of a new offense with a new QB.

(So PSA....let's hold off on the fire Grimes threads after the first few games)


You know they are coming...people want production out of the gate
The problem is that Aranda has made the political miscalcuation of saying they were right. We were going to turn around post COVID and when some of this staff had some of their own players. However Aranda through his actions has said it was his staff's fault we were bad and that Baylor should be good right now. This means the new OC has to produce right away or Aranda goes into year 3 as his likely last year if there isnt production in that year. Again I think there was going to be a big turnaround in Aranda's year 2 post covid anyway without any changes. So the new OC is poised to look great and like an immediate results producer. But Aranda has set it up where that has to be how it looks in 21 for his own sake as HC here.
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You know they are coming...people want production out of the gate


3 years??? You have mistaken this chat room for the UT chat room. This is Baylor, where we fire coaches for reasons not associated with their success.

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jumpinjoe said:

PartyBear said:

Jorkel said:

boognish_bear said:

Bear8084 said:

Timbear said:

Just listened to a Grimes interview. This guy is a state of Texas guy. I predict he'll rival Art in Offensive Production and winning. With Randa on D and Grimes on O, we could be in a great place. He's 52, I think, so if he does good and stays 3 years, we'll be fortunate.


I would wait and see what plans he has to install and how long they will take to learn. From what I read it's a simple playback but has a lot of jet sweeps and pre-snap formation changes. It is high production, but it has been called a power spread with heavy emphasis on big linemen and run plays. He most likely be very productive his first year here, but I expect bigger results in his second year.
I think that's a pretty fair way to look at it. The bar is so low that I'm sure we will see improvements next year....but I don't expect us to be melting scoreboards in the first year of a new offense with a new QB.

(So PSA....let's hold off on the fire Grimes threads after the first few games)


You know they are coming...people want production out of the gate
The problem is that Aranda has made the political miscalcuation of saying they were right. We were going to turn around post COVID and when some of this staff had some of their own players. However Aranda through his actions has said it was his staff's fault we were bad and that Baylor should be good right now. This means the new OC has to produce right away or Aranda goes into year 3 as his likely last year if there isnt production in that year. Again I think there was going to be a big turnaround in Aranda's year 2 post covid anyway without any changes. So the new OC is poised to look great and like an immediate results producer. But Aranda has set it up where that has to be how it looks in 21 for his own sake as HC here.
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You know they are coming...people want production out of the gate


3 years??? You have mistaken this chat room for the UT chat room. This is Baylor, where we fire coaches for reasons not associated with their success.


I think Aranda will be given 2 years for his new OC to prove something. Had he not fired Fedora and there was not a turnaround next season, he would have been given 2 years for his second OC to prove something anyway. I think Aranda handled this in a way that jips him out of a year if OC number 2 doesnt work out. Aranda will not be given a 3rd shot at hiring an OC after a second failed one in his 3 year tenure at that point and we are mediocre at best, it will be replacing Aranda that will be the focus at that point.
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DanaDane said:

He's got a chance to coach in the playoffs and possibly win a Natty here. They are never gonna let BYU or the Group of 5 in the playoffs. He's a wise man.
Lots of reasons for him to choose Baylor over BYU, but this isn't one of them.

They played an especially weak schedule this year because of Covid and I'm not sure if they would have gotten in even if they had beaten coastal Carolina, but in a typical year they would make it if they ran the table.

BTW only two big 12 programs have won a national championship since BYU last did.
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Franklins said:

DanaDane said:

He's got a chance to coach in the playoffs and possibly win a Natty here. They are never gonna let BYU or the Group of 5 in the playoffs. He's a wise man.
Lots of reasons for him to choose Baylor over BYU, but this isn't one of them.

They played an especially weak schedule this year because of Covid and I'm not sure if they would have gotten in even if they had beaten coastal Carolina, but in a typical year they would make it if they ran the table.

BTW only two big 12 programs have won a national championship since BYU last did.

When you compare the two schools and programs side by side, it may be that BYU has just as likely of a chance as Baylor to make the playoff or win a national championship. But as a whole, it is a much easier path to the playoff at a Power 5 school than at BYU. The national exposure alone is just so much more from week to week, which definitely has a role in the playoff committee's evaluation, whether that is intended or not. The fact is, if it came down to an undefeated BYU team with 1 win over a power 5 school or a 1 loss Big 12 championship Baylor team for the final playoff spot, the committee is much more likely to go with Big 12 champion Baylor in that scenario, and that's the difference.
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I agree with all that, I just don't think anyone is thinking "let me jump from BYU to Baylor because I have a better chance of winning a national championship at Baylor".

If his main goal was to make the playoffs, he'd stay at the place that has 7 P5s plus Boise on the schedule next year and nearly ran the table this year.

I agree with the reasons listed above for coming to Baylor, and I bet he's also thinking if he can turn this putrid offense around he's going to be in line for a head coaching job.
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Franklins said:

DanaDane said:

He's got a chance to coach in the playoffs and possibly win a Natty here. They are never gonna let BYU or the Group of 5 in the playoffs. He's a wise man.
Lots of reasons for him to choose Baylor over BYU, but this isn't one of them.

They played an especially weak schedule this year because of Covid and I'm not sure if they would have gotten in even if they had beaten coastal Carolina, but in a typical year they would make it if they ran the table.

BTW only two big 12 programs have won a national championship since BYU last did.
Actually it is one of the reasons. Our Eeyore-ish football complex needs to end definitively, and last month. Here's the paragraph that gets my attention:

"In at least eight of 11-1 BYU's games, Wilson and company watched the fourth quarter from the sidelines as Sitake called off the dogs. Grimes' offense was that good."

There won't be as many games in Big XII play where that will happen, but it was one of the great pluses of the Briles era. Lots of younger players getting meaningful game experience can't be anything but good for our future. Our future if BU leadership can finally quit taking 3 steps forward in football and 7 back. Jury's still out on that.
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They had an atrocious schedule this year because of Covid. They play half the pack 12+ us and Virginia next year, and that's more typical of their standard schedule.

Obviously it's possible to be great at Baylor. We've had two different regimes do it within half a decade of each other. It's a great move for him and I'm glad to have him. Just my opinion that he didn't come here because he thought Baylor can make the playoffs while BYU couldn't.

I think he came here to turn a trash offense around and become a known commodity. Thar's the opportunity he has here that he wouldn't have had nearly as much there. IMO he had done what you can do there and if he comes here and does the same now it's a pattern and he's a hot commodity.

And the money
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Fair enough. Yea I think the resume boost for a potential HC job down the road was probably a factor as well.
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I noticed. I was being sarcastic.
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Here's a fresh article from the other major paper in Utah, the Salt Lake Tribune. Basically it says it's a Baptist thing:

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/byu-cougars/2021/01/04/gordon-monson-byu-should/ 3/9


Gordon Monson: BYU should take no offense at Jeff Grimes leaving

for Baylor. And the Cougars will be fine.

The Texas native and practicing Baptist is going home to the place he always wanted to be

By Gordon Monson | Jan. 4, 2021, 2:12 p.m.

Offensive coordinator Jeff Grimes is leaving BYU, but for the Texas native and practicing Baptist, it's a chance to go home.

Jeff Grimes told me a story once about the way he became a football coach.

He took the long way a route that eventually went through BYU twice and now, as of Monday,
is taking him to Baylor, where he'll hold the same position he held at BYU offensive
coordinator. He's psyched about coaching the Bears "I am absolutely fired up," he says but
BYU fans shouldn't take any offense.

The man's going home.

Here's the backstory:

Grimes was living in College Station, Texas, in the early 1990s, his wife attending school at Texas
A&M, and, after working as a substitute teacher and a forklift operator, he was selling
advertising coupons and calendars to fast-food restaurants and other small joints that usually had
neither the inclination, nor the means to give him the money for which he was pitching.

He had a job offer selling insurance back in El Paso, where he had played football at UTEP,
an endeavor he had already attempted to prolong professionally by trying out for the then-Los
Angeles Raiders and an outfit called the San Antonio Riders.

Grimes was cut each time.

So, he said, he sat behind the wheel of his beat-to-hell '79 Chevy Blazer, stuck in traffic at a
railroad crossing, sweating through his clothes at the end of the day in the cruel-hot Texas sun,
watching the waves of heat coming off the hood of his beater, wondering what in God's good
name he was doing with his life.

More importantly, he pondered his future, where he wanted to be, what he wanted to be doing,
what he wanted to be achieving, 10 or 20 or 30 years from that moment.

Turns out, he wanted to be the OC at Baylor, as mentioned, a job he just now accepted, after
assistant coaching stints at assorted stops, such as Rice, Texas A&M, Boise State, Arizona
State, BYU, Colorado, Auburn, Virginia Tech, LSU, BYU again, and now for the Bears.

Grimes had always been a religious man, a Baptist from birth, and he stares now at doing what
he's been doing for the Cougars for Baylor, the Baptist school in Waco.

The notion that came to him, though, on that steamy day lacked that kind of specificity. The bolt
out of boiling blue, he said, hit him hard as the train blew on by and it went like this:

"'You would really enjoy being a football coach.' I sat there, sweating my tail off, and it hit me
just like that."

Grimes had loved playing football, loved the physicality and brutality of it, despite his strong
religious beliefs. The former offensive lineman who played at 300 pounds in college, back
before that was commonplace had a firm gridiron-battle background, steeled by playing high
school ball in Garland, near Dallas. He remembered getting thrashed playing the game he loved,
hurling his guts out after practices, to the point of loving it so much he wanted to quit, but he
never did. A coach reminded him about the fortitude of his Biblical hero.

"When Jesus walked on this earth for 33 years," the coach told him, "he never had an easy day."

That was good enough for Grimes. He was built on football, fought through football, was made
better by the game. And years later, he didn't want to leave it behind.

But he was also built on having a tight-knit family and knew coaching would test that, what with
its long and varied hours and demands.

That's one of the reasons he came to BYU the first time, from ASU, where he had been working
relentless and sometimes ridiculous hours. When he was offered the assistant position with
the Cougars in 2004, he was told he could carve out the time necessary to spend with his wife and
then-young kids.

He did.

The time spent with his family energized him and his approach to coaching, enabling him to see
success with his offensive line at BYU, then at all those other places.

"I have a standard that I will not change," he said back then. "Everyone stays tough, everyone
plays hard on every play. That's what I ask, that's what i want."

That's usually what he got.

Grimes progressed through his coaching stops, including leading BYU's offense this past season
in a most proficient way. He benefited from having Zach Wilson at quarterback, but the attack, all
around, was solid. He also had talented coaches working alongside him Aaron Roderick and
Fesi Sitake, each of whom had a huge hand in the Cougars' success.

Those guys are some of the reasons BYU won't miss Grimes as much as you might think.
He'll move on to Waco now, back to Texas, his original digs. He liked working at BYU and enjoyed
the atmosphere there. But between the fully congruent religious aspects of Baylor's environment
and the fact that he's a Texas boy, home is home.

"There's tremendous alignment between what Baylor University stands for and who I am at my
core," he says. "I can't wait to get back home to the great state of Texas and begin working with
the tremendous student-athletes and coaches in the Baylor program. Sic 'em."

And that's all good.


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historian said:

I noticed. I was being sarcastic.
:-)
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It is very unlikely that BYU will ever get in the playoffs. They are not ND, nor even a blue blood. The Big 12 is the one conference in which a non blue blood could reasonably expect to get in. Last year, we were 1-2 plays in Arlington away being a 1 loss conference champion with a better resume than any other contenders. If we had run the table & gone 13-0 it would have been a lock. It's virtually impossible for any team in the SEC west to get in other than Bama. The Big 10 made it very clear that they will cheat to get OSU in.
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To the question, JG still has family who live in Garland and obviously a bunch of ties in-and-around the state.

This was probably a no brainer for him.
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It's all about the money.
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"Grimes had loved playing football, loved the physicality and brutality of it, despite his strong religious beliefs."

You know, I've often wondered if this very basic misunderstanding of what it is to follow Jesus isn't a background issue that has hobbled Baylor football over the years. It's just a completely, totally wrong-headed perspective.
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He will be our head coach when some blueblood school snatches Aranda away.

In the meantime we need to tap into some transfer meat and have a great spring.

Needs:

#1. QB - neither one of our boys on campus have really shown they are the solution.

#2. OL - Need the big uglies like A&M has.

#3. DL - Already picked up Siaki "Apu" Ika. Need a few more SEC type DL or a few BYU Polynesian or Samoan DTs
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BU82EX said:

So you don't view Baylor as an upgrade over BYU? Yes money matters, but we are a P5 program and BYU is not. We play in a reputable conference, BYU does not. Exposure at Baylor is higher than BYU's exposure (TV, Time Zone, national media, etc..). Add that to all the other things you mentioned and I would say it is an upgrade over his current situation.

FSU and Miami haven't been the same since joining the ACC. FSU has one Natty and Miami zero yet they have the recruiting grounds and ACC money to do much better.

BYU had a very decent schedule lined up in 2020 before China Flu messed that up.

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Thee University said:

He will be our head coach when some blueblood school snatches Aranda away.

In the meantime we need to tap into some transfer meat and have a great spring.

Needs:

#1. QB - neither one of our boys on campus have really shown they are the solution.

#2. OL - Need the big uglies like A&M has.

#3. DL - Already picked up Siaki "Apu" Ika. Need a few more SEC type DL or a few BYU Polynesian or Samoan DTs



What have you seen from Zeno that makes you think he won't be a good quarterback? In the very small sample size we have seen seems like he has done pretty well considering he's been forced into games where he didn't spend the week before taking the majority of the snaps with the starters.
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BearlyBeloved said:

WHY is Jeff Grimes leaving a solid position as OC at BYU?

Some will say it's a lateral move, but I disagree.

Key factors probably are:

  • Money


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historian said:

It is very unlikely that BYU will ever get in the playoffs. They are not ND, nor even a blue blood. The Big 12 is the one conference in which a non blue blood could reasonably expect to get in. Last year, we were 1-2 plays in Arlington away being a 1 loss conference champion with a better resume than any other contenders. If we had run the table & gone 13-0 it would have been a lock. It's virtually impossible for any team in the SEC west to get in other than Bama. The Big 10 made it very clear that they will cheat to get OSU in.
Assuming a full season, and assuming no weird situation where 5 P5s or 4 plus Notre Dame undefeated, any P5 team that goes undefeated is going to get in.

BYU getting in all depends on their schedule. If they go undefeated next year (again, five pac teams plus Baylor plus Virginia plus Boise), they will get in (barring the situation above).
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Yes but, by definition, a team that is undefeated would the conference champ. And it is rare: there usually are no more than 2-3 undefeated teams by the end of the season. Where it gets tricky is in picking from among the one loss teams, most of which are not conference champs (i.e. Baylor in 2014 co-champs, Alabama in 2017, ND this season).
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Yeah I'm with you there but I still don't really understand what you're saying about our conference having an advantage getting non bluebloods in.

The SEC West can get two teams in, they have shown that already. Aggies didn't get in because they weren't competitive at all vs Alabama. If the score of that game had been 30-28 Bama, A&M would have gotten in.
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Yes, I think so. I guess it is theoretically possible (think of A&M this year) but highly unlikely. In those grey area decisions, the committee will always choose a blue blood over a school that is not. So in 2017, the SEC had two teams in although Bama wasn't even conference champ (or runner up) and this year ND got in over other teams that might have been more deserving. My point was mainly about the bias which does a disservice to everyone and makes a mockery of the entire process.

I could even be wrong about the Big 12. Hypothetically, a Baylor Big 12 champ in 2019 might still have been left out in favor of Georgia or another blue blood. It would have been insane and illegitimate and the committee would have made up some really lame excuse but it would not be very surprising. That's what they have done since the beginning of the playoff system n 2014.
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Let's try to win the Big 12 Championship and a NYD bowl. 13-0 would be the minimum requirement for BU to ever be even considered for the CFP.
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Probably. But I still think we would have been in last year if we had beaten OU in December even with the November loss.
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Agree. I also think there's no doubt that even if there had been a big 12 championship game in 2014, either 1-loss champ would have been left out.
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I hate to admit it, but OSU's thrashing of Wisconsin in their title game was pretty impressive. That does not change my view that Baylor was cheated out of the opportunity. Water under the bridge.
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BearlyBeloved said:

WHY is Jeff Grimes leaving a solid position as OC at BYU?

Some will say it's a lateral move, but I disagree.




I don't think very many people at all will think this is a lateral move, rather a significant step up. His resume isn't what some wanted, but his career trajectory does seem to be moving up, rather than down or on on a plateau.

I think having an OL guy as our OC should help us recruit on the line, at least I hope so. Bell as a QB coach is better for Shawn's future, as well. I think we have a lot of reason to believe that today was a very good day for Baylor football.
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boognish_bear said:

Thee University said:

He will be our head coach when some blueblood school snatches Aranda away.

In the meantime we need to tap into some transfer meat and have a great spring.

Needs:

#1. QB - neither one of our boys on campus have really shown they are the solution.

#2. OL - Need the big uglies like A&M has.

#3. DL - Already picked up Siaki "Apu" Ika. Need a few more SEC type DL or a few BYU Polynesian or Samoan DTs



What have you seen from Zeno that makes you think he won't be a good quarterback? In the very small sample size we have seen seems like he has done pretty well considering he's been forced into games where he didn't spend the week before taking the majority of the snaps with the starters.
That's just it. Microscopic sample size. So my answer is nothing. #2 and #3 get snaps during the week. Particularly when you have an often injured starter.

Between the two of them they have thrown about 50 passes for 215 yards or so. They have combined to rush for about 330 yards on around 55 attempts.

More than anything...........I have to believe that if either one of them was even close to Charlie's talents they would have been used much more often. Something was wrong somewhere and I'm not going to say anymore about it. It is almost as if we don't have a QB going into spring. If I was a QB considering the portal Baylor would be at the top of my list.
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Thee University said:

boognish_bear said:

Thee University said:

He will be our head coach when some blueblood school snatches Aranda away.

In the meantime we need to tap into some transfer meat and have a great spring.

Needs:

#1. QB - neither one of our boys on campus have really shown they are the solution.

#2. OL - Need the big uglies like A&M has.

#3. DL - Already picked up Siaki "Apu" Ika. Need a few more SEC type DL or a few BYU Polynesian or Samoan DTs



What have you seen from Zeno that makes you think he won't be a good quarterback? In the very small sample size we have seen seems like he has done pretty well considering he's been forced into games where he didn't spend the week before taking the majority of the snaps with the starters.
More than anything...........I have to believe that if either one of them was even close to Charlie's talents they would have been used much more often. Something was wrong somewhere and I'm not going to say anymore about it. It is almost as if we don't have a QB going into spring. If I was a QB considering the portal Baylor would be at the top of my list.


That's the part that makes me wonder....the fact neither of them saw playing time this year despite our struggles to get things going on offense. To my untrained eye it looks like Zeno has good zip on his passes and can push the ball downfield to present at least the hint of a vertical threat.

But the fact that our coaches see the QB group in practice every day and didn't give one of them at least a few series....that's a little disconcerting.
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boognish_bear said:

Thee University said:

boognish_bear said:

Thee University said:

He will be our head coach when some blueblood school snatches Aranda away.

In the meantime we need to tap into some transfer meat and have a great spring.

Needs:

#1. QB - neither one of our boys on campus have really shown they are the solution.

#2. OL - Need the big uglies like A&M has.

#3. DL - Already picked up Siaki "Apu" Ika. Need a few more SEC type DL or a few BYU Polynesian or Samoan DTs



What have you seen from Zeno that makes you think he won't be a good quarterback? In the very small sample size we have seen seems like he has done pretty well considering he's been forced into games where he didn't spend the week before taking the majority of the snaps with the starters.
More than anything...........I have to believe that if either one of them was even close to Charlie's talents they would have been used much more often. Something was wrong somewhere and I'm not going to say anymore about it. It is almost as if we don't have a QB going into spring. If I was a QB considering the portal Baylor would be at the top of my list.


That's the part that makes me wonder....the fact neither of them saw playing time this year despite our struggles to get things going on offense. To my untrained eye it looks like Zeno has good zip on his passes and can push the ball downfield to present at least the hint of a vertical threat.

But the fact that our coaches see the QB group in practice every day and didn't give one of them at least a few series....that's a little disconcerting.
Years ago (back right after leather helmets) this might mean a few things:

1. QB can't remember plays well enough. No brainer.
2. QB can't read defenses and throws into coverage too often.
3. QB has a bad attitude or does not give 100% in practice and it poisons the team.
4. Rest of team (not only the coaches) don't react positively when one or both of them are in the game. Not a real team leader.

These are just 4 wild @$$ guesses on my part. What do I know about QBs?
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Offensive line has more holes in it than a target used for buckshot practice.

Why risk getting them killed...when they can go into next season healthy.
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I suspect that both Bohanan & Zeno have plenty of talent but they were raw & inexperienced. It was talent that needed to be developed. Sad thing is that after 2 years, it's likely that this has not happened much. For whatever reason, the coaches (Rhule & Aranda) decided to stick almost exclusively with Brewer. Despite all the whining & complaining on these boards, he was the best we had and proved it repeatedly. He has the talent, experience, determination, toughness, & leadership qualities. It really is a shame that he transferred because 2021 could have been his best year. It also could have been his worst There were too many issues/mistakes to lay the blame in only one place (OL, QB, QB coach, OC, etc). We may never have the full picture.
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Thee University said:

boognish_bear said:

Thee University said:

boognish_bear said:

Thee University said:

He will be our head coach when some blueblood school snatches Aranda away.

In the meantime we need to tap into some transfer meat and have a great spring.

Needs:

#1. QB - neither one of our boys on campus have really shown they are the solution.

#2. OL - Need the big uglies like A&M has.

#3. DL - Already picked up Siaki "Apu" Ika. Need a few more SEC type DL or a few BYU Polynesian or Samoan DTs



What have you seen from Zeno that makes you think he won't be a good quarterback? In the very small sample size we have seen seems like he has done pretty well considering he's been forced into games where he didn't spend the week before taking the majority of the snaps with the starters.
More than anything...........I have to believe that if either one of them was even close to Charlie's talents they would have been used much more often. Something was wrong somewhere and I'm not going to say anymore about it. It is almost as if we don't have a QB going into spring. If I was a QB considering the portal Baylor would be at the top of my list.


That's the part that makes me wonder....the fact neither of them saw playing time this year despite our struggles to get things going on offense. To my untrained eye it looks like Zeno has good zip on his passes and can push the ball downfield to present at least the hint of a vertical threat.

But the fact that our coaches see the QB group in practice every day and didn't give one of them at least a few series....that's a little disconcerting.
Years ago (back right after leather helmets) this might mean a few things:

1. QB can't remember plays well enough. No brainer.
2. QB can't read defenses and throws into coverage too often.
3. QB has a bad attitude or does not give 100% in practice and it poisons the team.
4. Rest of team (not only the coaches) don't react positively when one or both of them are in the game. Not a real team leader.

These are just 4 wild @$$ guesses on my part. What do I know about QBs?


If any of these issues are at play and CB was still going to be our best option next year I wonder why he would leave?
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PartyBear said:

Jorkel said:

boognish_bear said:

Bear8084 said:

Timbear said:

Just listened to a Grimes interview. This guy is a state of Texas guy. I predict he'll rival Art in Offensive Production and winning. With Randa on D and Grimes on O, we could be in a great place. He's 52, I think, so if he does good and stays 3 years, we'll be fortunate.


I would wait and see what plans he has to install and how long they will take to learn. From what I read it's a simple playback but has a lot of jet sweeps and pre-snap formation changes. It is high production, but it has been called a power spread with heavy emphasis on big linemen and run plays. He most likely be very productive his first year here, but I expect bigger results in his second year.
I think that's a pretty fair way to look at it. The bar is so low that I'm sure we will see improvements next year....but I don't expect us to be melting scoreboards in the first year of a new offense with a new QB.

(So PSA....let's hold off on the fire Grimes threads after the first few games)


You know they are coming...people want production out of the gate
The problem is that Aranda has made the political miscalcuation of saying they were right. We were going to turn around post COVID and when some of this staff had some of their own players. However Aranda through his actions has said it was his staff's fault we were bad and that Baylor should be good right now. This means the new OC has to produce right away or Aranda goes into year 3 as his likely last year if there isnt production in that year. Again I think there was going to be a big turnaround in Aranda's year 2 post covid anyway without any changes. So the new OC is poised to look great and like an immediate results producer. But Aranda has set it up where that has to be how it looks in 21 for his own sake as HC here.
You're going to ride the Fedora/Wickline Titanic all the way down, aren't you?
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