When is the NCAA Constitutional Convention supposed to end?

Johnny Bear said:

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JustWinBears said:

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gobears20 said:

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I would think that the PAC 12 would still want to get into Texas since a lot of California is moving into Texas.

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Yes and Central time zone games for pac 12 teams means more exposure for the conference as a whole. It honestly makes a lot of sense for the conference to do so and not just bias coming from the hope of Baylor landing somewhere decent.

Recruiting would be able to go multiple ways as well. A Texas native could be recruited to California teams and still be able to play in Texas multiple times in their time playing. A native Californian living in Texas gets to go play in their home state around family still there as well.

Ultimately if the PAC-12 expand without taking at least Baylor, tech, TCU and OKst they are making a mistake.

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IMO this is a rare opportunity for the PAC to gain a foothold in Texas and for the reasons noted above I see it as a "win-win" if all 4 of the schools mentioned are taken as a package. I would think a conference that was previously willing to admit somebody like Colorado would jump at the chance.

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Unless they see that as a blunder & think they have learned from the mistake. Not that I agree, I'm just speculating about what their thought process may look like.

Baylorbears111 said:

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Bear8084 said:

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ImABearToo said:

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You must have a better crystal ball

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Baylor isn't dropping down to FCS or going to the Sun Belt. Nothing in the news, insiders, rumors, etc. are pointing that way. At the very worst, if everything is exhausted and no more potential moves or deals are on the table, it's the AAC with the rest of the 8.

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The absolute worse case for Baylor is the following:

1. PAC expands to 16 with Tech, TCU, OSU, and KState

2. B1G takes ISU and KU

3. WVU goes to the ACC.

4. AAC rejects Baylor because the Texas schools don't want to compete against another Texas team and harbor some grudge about the SWC and use this opportunity to "get even".

5. Baylor goes alone to the MWC. ---> Worst case scenario here.

I think that #5 is unlikely, I have a hard time seeing the AAC pass over Baylor. I have a hard time seeing most of the things described above, but they are still within the realm of "possible."

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None of those scenarios are very likely except maybe #1.

No way WVU goes to ACC. Would have made sense 10 years ago but ACC doesn't want them.

gobears20 said:

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I had a feeling this would move fast because the ACC, Big ten, and PAC 12 didn't know what else was up the SEC's sleeves. I figure the ACC was nervous that the SEC was coming after Clemson and FSU. Who knows they still might.

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I am surprised SEC didn't jump on Clemson and FSU immediately.

vanillabryce said:

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The "alliance" won't mean much in the end. They've tried to do this before and it never came to fruition.

Baylor, TCU, Tech and OSU would be the four to the P12. The P12 wants nothing to do with ISU or KSU.

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I thought PAC 12 was not crazy about private schools, especially Christian ones. Did I dream that? Is ISU not viable because of the TV viewers? I would think with their latest record they would be a good draw. ???

LadyChickBear said:

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vanillabryce said:

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The "alliance" won't mean much in the end. They've tried to do this before and it never came to fruition.

Baylor, TCU, Tech and OSU would be the four to the P12. The P12 wants nothing to do with ISU or KSU.

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I thought PAC 12 was not crazy about private schools, especially Christian ones. Did I dream that? Is ISU not viable because of the TV viewers? I would think with their latest record they would be a good draw. ???

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There is no viable reporting that either Baylor or TCU are seriously being considered by the PAC.

ImABearToo said:

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Bulldoze McLayne and build the basketball arena. Put all our money towards it. Zags are doing fine without footyball. Lots less stress and we can still beat the blue bloods on the hardwood. Sorry, happy hour started a little early here. Loose lips

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Not necessarily a bad idea. If left out BU football is dead and buried anyway. I like it.

vanillabryce said:

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The "alliance" won't mean much in the end. They've tried to do this before and it never came to fruition.

Baylor, TCU, Tech and OSU would be the four to the P12. The P12 wants nothing to do with ISU or KSU.

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Can't quite follow your logic on BU & PAC. BU, to the Left Coast, is like a Redneck with a "Make America Great Again" hat carrying a Bible walking thru Martha's Vineyard in daylight.

BBWCBear said:

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ImABearToo said:

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Bulldoze McLayne and build the basketball arena. Put all our money towards it. Zags are doing fine without footyball. Lots less stress and we can still beat the blue bloods on the hardwood. Sorry, happy hour started a little early here. Loose lips

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Not necessarily a bad idea. If left out BU football is dead and buried anyway. I like it.

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Not really.

I think there's a specific group of the same posters in the forum who think if they post the Pac 12 wants Baylor and TCU enough, then it will come true.

If the playoffs had been 12 all along, UCF, UH and Cincinnati would have all played in the playoffs. Even if we end up in the AAC or a combo with some of the AAC programs, it's not like we have no shot of ever competing at all. It's always one extreme or the other in here.

DanaDane said:

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If the playoffs had been 12 all along, UCF, UH and Cincinnati would have all played in the playoffs. Even if we end up in the AAC or a combo with some of the AAC programs, it's not like we have no shot of ever competing at all. It's always one extreme or the other in here.

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It really is. A lot of crazy things can and will happen during realignment, but the whole "Baylor is going to the Southland! Tear down McLane!!!" mentality is frustrating.

Bear8084 said:

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DanaDane said:

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If the playoffs had been 12 all along, UCF, UH and Cincinnati would have all played in the playoffs. Even if we end up in the AAC or a combo with some of the AAC programs, it's not like we have no shot of ever competing at all. It's always one extreme or the other in here.

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It really is. A lot of crazy things can and will happen during realignment, but the whole "Baylor is going to the Southland! Tear down McLane!!!" mentality is frustrating.

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reality bites

Stranger said:

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Bear8084 said:

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DanaDane said:

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If the playoffs had been 12 all along, UCF, UH and Cincinnati would have all played in the playoffs. Even if we end up in the AAC or a combo with some of the AAC programs, it's not like we have no shot of ever competing at all. It's always one extreme or the other in here.

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It really is. A lot of crazy things can and will happen during realignment, but the whole "Baylor is going to the Southland! Tear down McLane!!!" mentality is frustrating.

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reality bites

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Good thing it's not the reality.

Some random thoughts based on previous comments.

None of the eight schools individually add anything to any P5 conference, IMO. None of them move the needle that would result in a network paying more to compensate for more pieces of the conference pie. I'm not even sure that a package of them do so, especially if scheduling alliances provide wider coverage and essentially accomplish the same effect, but without having to share the media money with more schools in the conference.

Religion has got nothing to do with this anymore. It is about dollars. If the PAC were told they would get a significant bump in revenue per school by adding BYU, they would do it. BTW, a lot of people here seem to believe Baylor is way more religions and straight laced than they are. May have been true through the last century (perhaps), but I see nothing that says it is so today. The statements may say something, but the actions of students and administration say otherwise. If you don't think current culture doesn't exist at Baylor, I think you are not seeing how the world has changed.

Lastly, conferences may want to tap into recruiting areas, but that has to translate into enough of a overall conference viewership bump that provides a contract that isn't a pay cut to the existing schools.

Bottom line, I don't believe that any of the remaining eight schools do much for any of the remaining P5 conferences, at least not enough to move the needle for the networks. Doesn't mean nothing will change, people get blinded with perceived future greed and often move hastily to possibly regret it later, as probably was the result of much of the realignment a decade ago.

Each of the P5 has/had its impact teams....anywhere from 2 to 5. The rest of them are no different than the remaining 8 in the Big XII.

Just my opinion but the state of Texas is a growing state with 29 million and soon to be 35 million. That equals recruits and TV ratings. Big Ten, PAC 12 & ACC should want a bigger footprint here. Comes down to $$$ and better recruiting.

JP1037 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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Bear8084 said:

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ImABearToo said:

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You must have a better crystal ball

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Baylor isn't dropping down to FCS or going to the Sun Belt. Nothing in the news, insiders, rumors, etc. are pointing that way. At the very worst, if everything is exhausted and no more potential moves or deals are on the table, it's the AAC with the rest of the 8.

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The absolute worse case for Baylor is the following:

1. PAC expands to 16 with Tech, TCU, OSU, and KState

2. B1G takes ISU and KU

3. WVU goes to the ACC.

4. AAC rejects Baylor because the Texas schools don't want to compete against another Texas team and harbor some grudge about the SWC and use this opportunity to "get even".

5. Baylor goes alone to the MWC. ---> Worst case scenario here.

I think that #5 is unlikely, I have a hard time seeing the AAC pass over Baylor. I have a hard time seeing most of the things described above, but they are still within the realm of "possible."

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6. We burn down McClane,, eliminate all sports except soccer and spikeball and change to only a seminary and charge $5 a glass during Dr. Pepper Float hour.

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We should add pickleball

Aberzombie1892 said:

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LadyChickBear said:

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vanillabryce said:

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The "alliance" won't mean much in the end. They've tried to do this before and it never came to fruition.

Baylor, TCU, Tech and OSU would be the four to the P12. The P12 wants nothing to do with ISU or KSU.

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I thought PAC 12 was not crazy about private schools, especially Christian ones. Did I dream that? Is ISU not viable because of the TV viewers? I would think with their latest record they would be a good draw. ???

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There is no viable reporting that either Baylor or TCU are seriously being considered by the PAC.

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I haven't seen any viable reporting that anyone specifically is being considered by the PAC actually. Just that the PAC is considering expansion.. I have just seen columns etc speculating who might be considered.

gobears20 said:

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Hopefully our AD knows more about the situation because a couple of days ago he was extremely positive that Baylor will land in a good place.

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His job depends on saying that.

TexasScientist said:

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gobears20 said:

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Hopefully our AD knows more about the situation because a couple of days ago he was extremely positive that Baylor will land in a good place.

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His job depends on saying that.

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His job depends on it being reasonably true. If it is announced we arent headed to a P5 in a couple of weeks, he'll be in hot water for that statement with many. That said I think the current 8 of the XII with Cincy, UCF and a couple other cream of the G5's added in isnt really a bad place. I think that is preferable to the AAC and probably would be to the G5's I mentioned as well.

PartyBear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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gobears20 said:

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Hopefully our AD knows more about the situation because a couple of days ago he was extremely positive that Baylor will land in a good place.

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His job depends on saying that.

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His job depends on it being reasonably true. That said I think the current 8 of the XII with Cincy, UCF and a couple other cream of the G5's added in isnt really a bad place.

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Even so, it's not likely a revamped B12 will have the clout to remain P5. The way this is shaping up, the three or four surviving P5 conferences will have the lock on playoff spots, BU and the others will be locked out of competing for a national championship football title.

Squatch Hunter said:

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JP1037 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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Bear8084 said:

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ImABearToo said:

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You must have a better crystal ball

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Baylor isn't dropping down to FCS or going to the Sun Belt. Nothing in the news, insiders, rumors, etc. are pointing that way. At the very worst, if everything is exhausted and no more potential moves or deals are on the table, it's the AAC with the rest of the 8.

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The absolute worse case for Baylor is the following:

1. PAC expands to 16 with Tech, TCU, OSU, and KState

2. B1G takes ISU and KU

3. WVU goes to the ACC.

4. AAC rejects Baylor because the Texas schools don't want to compete against another Texas team and harbor some grudge about the SWC and use this opportunity to "get even".

5. Baylor goes alone to the MWC. ---> Worst case scenario here.

I think that #5 is unlikely, I have a hard time seeing the AAC pass over Baylor. I have a hard time seeing most of the things described above, but they are still within the realm of "possible."

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6. We burn down McClane,, eliminate all sports except soccer and spikeball and change to only a seminary and charge $5 a glass during Dr. Pepper Float hour.

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We should add pickleball

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boat rowing. we should add boat rowing. we've got the river for it.

TexasScientist said:

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PartyBear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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gobears20 said:

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Hopefully our AD knows more about the situation because a couple of days ago he was extremely positive that Baylor will land in a good place.

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His job depends on saying that.

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His job depends on it being reasonably true. That said I think the current 8 of the XII with Cincy, UCF and a couple other cream of the G5's added in isnt really a bad place.

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Even so, it's not likely a revamped B12 will have the clout to remain P5. The way this is shaping up, the three or four surviving P5 conferences will have the lock on playoff spots, BU and the others will be locked out of competing for a national championship football title.

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It wouldn't be P5 but if the play off is expanded we should t be locked out. In fact our path would be easier. But is it worth it to have that in exchange for a lot less money.

PartyBear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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PartyBear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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gobears20 said:

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Hopefully our AD knows more about the situation because a couple of days ago he was extremely positive that Baylor will land in a good place.

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His job depends on saying that.

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His job depends on it being reasonably true. That said I think the current 8 of the XII with Cincy, UCF and a couple other cream of the G5's added in isnt really a bad place.

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Even so, it's not likely a revamped B12 will have the clout to remain P5. The way this is shaping up, the three or four surviving P5 conferences will have the lock on playoff spots, BU and the others will be locked out of competing for a national championship football title.

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It wouldn't be P5 but if the play off is expanded we should t be locked out. In fact our path would be easier. But is it worth it to have that in exchange for a lot less money.

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IDK. With realignment into 3 - 4 super conferences, I think eventually the playoffs will change to be more like the NFL. The better players will all be in the super conferences where the NIL $$'s are. The rest of the schools will have to realign into a lower division playoff system.

Squatch Hunter said:

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JP1037 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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Bear8084 said:

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ImABearToo said:

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You must have a better crystal ball

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Baylor isn't dropping down to FCS or going to the Sun Belt. Nothing in the news, insiders, rumors, etc. are pointing that way. At the very worst, if everything is exhausted and no more potential moves or deals are on the table, it's the AAC with the rest of the 8.

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The absolute worse case for Baylor is the following:

1. PAC expands to 16 with Tech, TCU, OSU, and KState

2. B1G takes ISU and KU

3. WVU goes to the ACC.

4. AAC rejects Baylor because the Texas schools don't want to compete against another Texas team and harbor some grudge about the SWC and use this opportunity to "get even".

5. Baylor goes alone to the MWC. ---> Worst case scenario here.

I think that #5 is unlikely, I have a hard time seeing the AAC pass over Baylor. I have a hard time seeing most of the things described above, but they are still within the realm of "possible."

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6. We burn down McClane,, eliminate all sports except soccer and spikeball and change to only a seminary and charge $5 a glass during Dr. Pepper Float hour.

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We should add pickleball

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There's always this, and the framework is already on campus:

http://www.baylorquidditch.com/

Depending on the announcement, the SEC might have to expand more.

A disappointed @WVUADLyons reacted to the news of a potential alliance between the ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12.
@WVUSports | @MarkPacker pic.twitter.com/7MPONoSfXH

— College Sports on SiriusXM (@SXMCollege) August 20, 2021

West Virginia athletic director reacts to conference realignment, alliances

https://www.on3.com/college/west-virginia-mountaineers/news/west-virginia-athletic-director-conference-realignment-acc-big-ten-pac-12-alliances/?fbclid=IwAR36v-77OErJY9uBO2K9xeLXw5zYCJfMBIUfweI5yWzzws4xehoH4561xwM

SEC didn't become the #! conference for being stupid. I suspect they are waiting for the Pac12 /Big Ten and ACC to announce this silly "agreement" and then they will move into Phase II.

I still believe that Baylor, TT, OSU and TCU will be part of a package - and if they go SEC, it wouldn't surprise me. Those 4 schools offer a lot to a conference.

ACC and Big Ten make no sense for those 4. Pac12 is a dumpster fire in Football outside of Oregon...

Who knows really - but its good to be talking about College football again so close to the start of the season.

Once you have Texas and A&M, you don't need anything else from Texas unless as a strategy you just want to keep every other P conference locked out of the state. OSU is like Tech but located in Oklahoma. No one really values they eyes of that state due to its size. OU is the end all be all there for a conference out of that state. There is some small value to other P conferences however of the Texas 3 just due to their location in a booming state just getting some footprint there has some value.

Again the SEC can have a strategy of complete greed and try to deprive the other Ps of having the little value of what is left in Texas. But if that was their business strategy the Texas 3 at least would have tagged along last month.

Stranger said:

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Squatch Hunter said:

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JP1037 said:

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Baylorbears111 said:

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Bear8084 said:

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ImABearToo said:

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You must have a better crystal ball

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Baylor isn't dropping down to FCS or going to the Sun Belt. Nothing in the news, insiders, rumors, etc. are pointing that way. At the very worst, if everything is exhausted and no more potential moves or deals are on the table, it's the AAC with the rest of the 8.

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The absolute worse case for Baylor is the following:

1. PAC expands to 16 with Tech, TCU, OSU, and KState

2. B1G takes ISU and KU

3. WVU goes to the ACC.

4. AAC rejects Baylor because the Texas schools don't want to compete against another Texas team and harbor some grudge about the SWC and use this opportunity to "get even".

5. Baylor goes alone to the MWC. ---> Worst case scenario here.

I think that #5 is unlikely, I have a hard time seeing the AAC pass over Baylor. I have a hard time seeing most of the things described above, but they are still within the realm of "possible."

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6. We burn down McClane,, eliminate all sports except soccer and spikeball and change to only a seminary and charge $5 a glass during Dr. Pepper Float hour.

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We should add pickleball

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boat rowing. we should add boat rowing. we've got the river for it.

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We should specify that it's UPSTREAM rowing only..We've got decades of experience in that.

There are about 12% to 15% of Texans who identify as UT fans and maybe 10% that are ATM fans. So yes the rest of people in Texas matter. BU, TT,TCU & Okie St matter. Also remember UT and ATM fans don't watch all games, all the time. Aggies and Longhorns don't run this state. Sicem.

PartyBear said:

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Once you have Texas and A&M, you don't need anything else from Texas unless as a strategy you just want to keep every other P conference locked out of the state. OSU is like Tech but located in Oklahoma. No one really values they eyes of that state due to its size. OU is the end all be all there for a conference out of that state. There is some small value to other P conferences however of the Texas 3 just due to their location in a booming state just getting some footprint there has some value.

Again the SEC can have a strategy of complete greed and try to deprive the other Ps of having the little value of what is left in Texas. But if that was their business strategy the Texas 3 at least would have tagged along last month.

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This. The SEC doesn't need to add Baylor, TCU and Tech in order to own Texas at the highest levels. Why would they care if Baylor vs TCU gets 800k viewers for some other conference if Texas vs Texas A&M is getting 6M viewers, Texas vs Oklahoma is getting 5M, Texas vs Arkansas is getting 4M, Texas A&M vs Arkansas (in Arlington) is getting 3M, Oklahoma vs Texas A&M is getting 4M, Texas vs LSU is getting 4M, and Oklahoma vs LSU is getting 4M?

Baylor TCU did get 4 million once... #61-58

Anyone know the viewership numbers of some of those games between Cincy and UCF when both were ranked highly and had a prime time ABC national tv slot? I think Cincy had a similar game with Memphis. These games would have been in the last 3 years.