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This was his take earlier when UT/OU left. I don't think anyone else was expecting the remaining teams to be on the SEC radar

Regarding the other teams remaining in the #Big12 , you would think that the other remaining P5 conferences are racing to find these teams homes before the #SEC or a certain conference scoops them all up. #CFB

— Tim Shepherd (@TimShep_) August 17, 2021

NEWS: Hearing there is strong traction that #OKST #Baylor #Kansas and #ISU will all move to #Big10 following the move of Oklahoma and Texas to the #SEC. #CFB @RedditCFB

Blog will be updated later this afternoon following conference call with Jim Stevenson.

— Tim Shepherd (@TimShep_) August 12, 2021

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Wow I'd take B10 in a heartbeat. I think we would do well there. Not getting my hopes up as Tim doesn't even have a blue checkmark.

Look at the date. This was not tweeted today.

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Someone explain why Houston is out and Boise is in the running. Boise is a mistake in my book.

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If we bring in BYU then Boise makes more sense

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Boise makes no sense at all in terms of academics,

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I'm not sure the Big 12 is focused on expanding their research portfolio right now

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Ya I question whether in 2021 their is any discernible academic prestige gained or lost from your conference mates. It's not as though the other rice conference schools benefit from rice's academic reputation and it's not like theirs hurts rice and there are some pretty bad ones in their conference.

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boognish_bear said:

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This was his take earlier when UT/OU left. I don't think anyone else was expecting the remaining teams to be on the SEC radar

Regarding the other teams remaining in the #Big12 , you would think that the other remaining P5 conferences are racing to find these teams homes before the #SEC or a certain conference scoops them all up. #CFB

— Tim Shepherd (@TimShep_) August 17, 2021

NEWS: Hearing there is strong traction that #OKST #Baylor #Kansas and #ISU will all move to #Big10 following the move of Oklahoma and Texas to the #SEC. #CFB @RedditCFB

Blog will be updated later this afternoon following conference call with Jim Stevenson.

— Tim Shepherd (@TimShep_) August 12, 2021

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Wow I'd take B10 in a heartbeat. I think we would do well there. Not getting my hopes up as Tim doesn't even have a blue checkmark.

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Yep, those are old takes from the middle of August. Was just trying to show this guy may be off with his houston info

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Cincy is way better than Boise. They almost made the play off and more importantly regarding eyes they have had prime time nationally televised games on one of the big 3 over the last 3 years. Same with UCF actually and I recall Memphis having one, not including an AAC championship game against Cincy, over that time period.

The XII's number one goal is to survive as a P5 and that is doable with the right moves and I dont see many being advocated on this thread.

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Your last sentence is the key. If the Big 12 wants to stay a power 5 they have to add 4 teams now that have quality football and probably 4 more in a few years. Otherwise it will die as a P5 and become a G5 (of course then it would be P4 and G6)

Add in Boise, BYU, UNLV, Colorado State, Memphis and Cincy

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Someone explain why Houston is out and Boise is in the running. Boise is a mistake in my book.

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Because with Tech, TCU and Baylor already in Texas we don't need another Texas school in the Big 12. Boise being out West could potentially brings eyeballs to the table and would be a partner for BYU if we took them. I personally only would want BYU and Cincy right now but I do understand why Boise is being looked at.

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That's my thinking too: Boise as a partner for BYU. Given that we already have WVU so Far East, geographically Cincinnati & Memphis make more sense. They also offer good media markets & recruiting potential. Finally, for G5, their football (& MBB?) are pretty good.

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Someone explain why Houston is out and Boise is in the running. Boise is a mistake in my book.

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I agree, I don't even know why they mention Boise unless BYU requires a travel partner to jump to the conference, I would put USF above Boise.

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Cincy is way better than Boise. They almost made the play off and more importantly regarding eyes they have had prime time nationally televised games on one of the big 3 over the last 3 years. Same with UCF actually and I recall Memphis having one, not including an AAC championship game against Cincy, over that time period.

The XII's number one goal is to survive as a P5 and that is doable with the right moves and I dont see many being advocated on this thread.

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Boise State has been ranked in all of the past 20 seasons, finishing 13 of those seasons in the top 25. That is an outstanding football program that has sustained its success despite multiple coaching changes and having a fraction of the resources many of those they're competing with have had.

There is a reason Boise State has been included among the top Big 12 expansion candidates by most national writers. That's a respected national brand that has earned its respect on the field.

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boognish_bear said:

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This was his take earlier when UT/OU left. I don't think anyone else was expecting the remaining teams to be on the SEC radar

Regarding the other teams remaining in the #Big12 , you would think that the other remaining P5 conferences are racing to find these teams homes before the #SEC or a certain conference scoops them all up. #CFB

— Tim Shepherd (@TimShep_) August 17, 2021

NEWS: Hearing there is strong traction that #OKST #Baylor #Kansas and #ISU will all move to #Big10 following the move of Oklahoma and Texas to the #SEC. #CFB @RedditCFB

Blog will be updated later this afternoon following conference call with Jim Stevenson.

— Tim Shepherd (@TimShep_) August 12, 2021

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Wow I'd take B10 in a heartbeat. I think we would do well there. Not getting my hopes up as Tim doesn't even have a blue checkmark.

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Yep, those are old takes from the middle of August. Was just trying to show this guy may be off with his houston info

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You many be right but there is apparently some bad blood between B12 and Houston after some things that went down after the 2016 non-expansion fall out.

....and I dont think we should be letting BYU, who isnt in the XII at this time be dictating expansion strategy, if they are requiring another western move. I'm not saying they are.

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I'm willing to bet the candidate list is more expansive than five teams considering there's reasonable traction behind the idea of expanding all the way to 14.

This Houston blocking nonsense is so short-sided. Bring them in so we can have four Texas teams split between two divisions.

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It is a mistake at this time to fill up to 14 with current G5 teams. Note I said "at this time" we may have no choice 2-3 years down the road. But we may still have better options not far down the road.

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My guess is that the conference wasn't to add 2 now to stabilize things after OU & the goes tried to nuke the conference. They can always add 2-4 more in a year or so when they have a better idea of what is happening nationally. Maybe other P5 conferences will splinter as well.

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This was his take earlier when UT/OU left. I don't think anyone else was expecting the remaining teams to be on the SEC radar

Regarding the other teams remaining in the #Big12 , you would think that the other remaining P5 conferences are racing to find these teams homes before the #SEC or a certain conference scoops them all up. #CFB

— Tim Shepherd (@TimShep_) August 17, 2021

NEWS: Hearing there is strong traction that #OKST #Baylor #Kansas and #ISU will all move to #Big10 following the move of Oklahoma and Texas to the #SEC. #CFB @RedditCFB

Blog will be updated later this afternoon following conference call with Jim Stevenson.

— Tim Shepherd (@TimShep_) August 12, 2021

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Wow I'd take B10 in a heartbeat. I think we would do well there. Not getting my hopes up as Tim doesn't even have a blue checkmark.

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Yep, those are old takes from the middle of August. Was just trying to show this guy may be off with his houston info

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You many be right but there is apparently some bad blood between B12 and Houston after some things that went down after the 2016 non-expansion fall out.

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If the Big 12 is butthurt that Fertitta, who is a jackass, correctly called them out for their stupid dog and pony show in 2016, then they need to get over it. Houston should be judged on its merit and the value it would add to the Big 12, not what someone affiliated with the school said about the league five years ago.

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Cincy is way better than Boise. They almost made the play off and more importantly regarding eyes they have had prime time nationally televised games on one of the big 3 over the last 3 years. Same with UCF actually and I recall Memphis having one, not including an AAC championship game against Cincy, over that time period.

The XII's number one goal is to survive as a P5 and that is doable with the right moves and I dont see many being advocated on this thread.

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Boise State has been ranked in all of the past 20 seasons, finishing 13 of those seasons in the top 25. That is an outstanding football program that has sustained its success despite multiple coaching changes and having a fraction of the resources many of those they're competing with have had.

There is a reason Boise State has been included among the top Big 12 expansion candidates by most national writers. That's a respected national brand that has earned its respect on the field.

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Do you realize every rationale you give for Boise, you completely disregard for Baylor etc. regarding other P5s. It doesnt matter if they have been good on the field or finished in the top 20. What matters is that Idaho is basically a geographically smaller Alaska. The entire state is a little over twice the size of the Waco, Temple, Killeen metroplex. The entire region of the country it is in is not much bigger than that as well. The XII is literally getting nothing but a slot filled that does not need to be filled at this time. We can stop at 12 for now. And if Boise is one of our top 4 targets the conference sounds like it has no plans to try to continue to be P5. No one else is going to take Boise unless the Pac gets raided by about 5 or 6 programs. Talk about expanding just for the sake of saying we expanded. This is it.

Especially since there's a good chance the reason for the screw up in 2016 was Texas or OU. But that may not be the reason. There are much better ones.

The guy is a troll. One of his first "reports" was that Nick Saban coached his last game and was going to announce his retirement. He has 700 followers right now and that's DOUBLE was his follow count was a few weeks ago. He doesn't actually write or report for any media service or publication. There's no link to his supposed blog either.

It's crazy that only one other person in this thread even questioned his credentials. He's saying the Big 12 has conducted interviews with 6+ schools already. There's no chance that they are that far in the process. There's no rush and it's crazy to think that the Big 12 would add 4 schools while everything is in limbo with Texas/OU, the CFP, a new media-rights deal, the lawsuit, etc.

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Cincy is way better than Boise. They almost made the play off and more importantly regarding eyes they have had prime time nationally televised games on one of the big 3 over the last 3 years. Same with UCF actually and I recall Memphis having one, not including an AAC championship game against Cincy, over that time period.

The XII's number one goal is to survive as a P5 and that is doable with the right moves and I dont see many being advocated on this thread.

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Boise State has been ranked in all of the past 20 seasons, finishing 13 of those seasons in the top 25. That is an outstanding football program that has sustained its success despite multiple coaching changes and having a fraction of the resources many of those they're competing with have had.

There is a reason Boise State has been included among the top Big 12 expansion candidates by most national writers. That's a respected national brand that has earned its respect on the field.

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Do you realize every rationale you give for Boise, you completely disregard for Baylor etc. regarding other P5s. It doesnt matter if they have been good on the field or finished in the top 20. What matters is that Idaho is basically a geographically smaller Alaska. The entire state is a little over twice the size of the Waco, Temple, Killeen metroplex. The entire region of the country it is in is not much bigger than that as well. The XII is literally getting nothing but a slot filled that does not need to be filled at this time. We can stop at 12 for now. Talk about expanding just for the sake of saying we expanded. This is it.

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I shouldn't have to make this point this many times. The Big 12 isn't in the same position other power conferences are. The other leagues get to be choosy because their footing is sound for the time being. The Big 12 is desperate. Either the league expands or it fades into G5 hell.

The only path forward for this league is to add the four best G5 programs available and prove it can compete at a high enough level on the field to a) earn consistent inclusion into an expanded playoff and b) provide more TV value as a collective than any of its schools do individually.

Without those two things, this league is doomed. And again, Boise helps in both areas.

We dont have to take everyone who wants to be in as well. Again the goal here is to remain P5.

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We dont have to take everyone who wants to be in as well. Again the goal here is to remain P5.

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Where did I say that we did? We need good programs that create intriguing matchups. That's the only thing that will make this conference relevant in a post OUT future. Advocating Colorado State or UNLV over Boise is lunacy. This league needs to prove on the field that its deserving of a playoff spot and decent TV contract. That's not done by adding ****ty programs in media markets they don't carry.

We don't need to have 2 different Cougar schools anyway

I told you people 3 weeks ago Houston had no shot. Memphis doesn't either. This was pretty well known among 7 of the 8 of the Leftovers. There was only 1 school that supported UH and 1 who supported Memphis. They may as well go ahead and announce Memphis is out.

I'm curious as to why though.

Having both BYU and Boise from mountain time zone appeals to me--I like to watch good teams play to close down my Saturday nights--and I'd like for those to be conference games.

And that blue turf is just a fun factor.

Can you imagine if Texas went to orange turf (helping to hide what Bevo lays down)? And if K-State went full-on purple?

Now what school can we persuade to use yellow??

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Having both BYU and Boise from mountain time zone appeals to me--I like to watch good teams play to close down my Saturday nights--and I'd like for those to be conference games.

And that blue turf is just a fun factor.

Can you imagine if Texas went to orange turf (helping to hide what Bevo lays down)? And if K-State went full-on purple?

Now what school can we persuade to use yellow??

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Agree with your first point about the late games. I would love to have a B12 nightcap too.

I'm not down with that blue filed though. That thing is unholy.

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#Breaking: After the Big 12 meeting today, #Houston is no longer part of the conversations. The teams that remain in conversation are #Cincy, #BYU, #Memphis, #UCF, and #BoiseState. #Big12 #CFB @TheAthleticCFB

— Tim Shepherd (@TimShep_) August 31, 2021

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cougar king & HitCoog, either of y'all care to comment?

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Yes, let me know when a credible source says so. Such as McMurphy.

Byu. Houston..Cincy. UCF or Memphis.

This isnt rocket science.

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There's also the Houston side. It could be that the back channel communication (you're essentially proposing that these schools divorce their current conferences - you don't do that out loud and official-like) says that Houston doesn't want to trash their stable deal and take on the risk of joining the Big 12.

It's all good identifying what's good for the Big 12. The proposed school also has to see value as well.

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Any AAC is leaving if they get the option. Also, any AAC team we'd even consider the AAC would fall all over themselves to keep or take back. There's no risk here for Houston.

There's also no value to Houston whatsoever. Nobody watches them and we already would have some presence in Houston anyway. Houston wouldn't add anything meaningful. Adding Idaho is more valuable that adding 1/50th of Houston.

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If we want to play games from 9- midnight central time (not sure why we would I thought the Pac didnt like having that issue) couldnt we just schedule kick offs for 9 pm.

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We don't schedule kickoff times. Our TV partners do. They have to see value in it. And any added value for them is added value for us. That's why creative start times are going to have to be on the table for the Big 12 in the next round of negotiations. We're trying to provide valuable inventory for our TV partners when they need it.

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What I mean is if TV wants XII games kicking off at 10 pm ET/ 9 pm CT, there doesnt have to be a mountain time zone team playing to do that or a team west of the central time zone in the conference to do that.

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Because fans in Texas won't watch it, which is the furthest west we go right now. A Big 12 game in Provo between BYU and Boise St would draw eyeballs. From the west. Where they have fans.

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Suspect source based on past info

Boise is interesting, but why not UNLV? Bigger market, better academics, easier to get to plus Vegas baby, Vegas!

No more TX schools. It's not fair, but if everything was fair Texas who can rarely win more than 7 games wouldn't be in the SEC

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Unfortunately for UNLV, they've never made the commitment necessary to compete at a high level. If they can't win at a high level in the Mountain West, they're not going to do so in the Big 12. And we need teams that can come in and compete immediately.

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Athletic quality is irrelevant. We'd rather have a team with fans and crappy athletics so we get money and an easy win. See SEC regarding UT.

UNLV's problem is fans.

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Suspect source based on past info

Boise is interesting, but why not UNLV? Bigger market, better academics, easier to get to plus Vegas baby, Vegas!

No more TX schools. It's not fair, but if everything was fair Texas who can rarely win more than 7 games wouldn't be in the SEC

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Unfortunately for UNLV, they've never made the commitment necessary to compete at a high level. If they can't win at a high level in the Mountain West, they're not going to do so in the Big 12. And we need teams that can come in and compete immediately.

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Athletic quality is irrelevant. We'd rather have a team with fans and crappy athletics so we get money and an easy win. See SEC regarding UT.

UNLV's problem is fans.

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Athletic quality is not at all irrelevant for a league that can't add name brands. No one this conference could add, other than BYU, brings inherent value as a brand/TV draw. The value added comes in their contributions to a competitive and exciting league. This conference needs to ignore all the bull**** other power leagues have the luxury of chasing and focus on building the best brand it can around the on-field product. It's there that the Big 12 will find relevancy, not in adding ****ty programs in big markets they can't carry.

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Cincy is way better than Boise. They almost made the play off and more importantly regarding eyes they have had prime time nationally televised games on one of the big 3 over the last 3 years. Same with UCF actually and I recall Memphis having one, not including an AAC championship game against Cincy, over that time period.

The XII's number one goal is to survive as a P5 and that is doable with the right moves and I dont see many being advocated on this thread.

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Boise State has been ranked in all of the past 20 seasons, finishing 13 of those seasons in the top 25. That is an outstanding football program that has sustained its success despite multiple coaching changes and having a fraction of the resources many of those they're competing with have had.

There is a reason Boise State has been included among the top Big 12 expansion candidates by most national writers. That's a respected national brand that has earned its respect on the field.

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Do you realize every rationale you give for Boise, you completely disregard for Baylor etc. regarding other P5s. It doesnt matter if they have been good on the field or finished in the top 20. What matters is that Idaho is basically a geographically smaller Alaska. The entire state is a little over twice the size of the Waco, Temple, Killeen metroplex. The entire region of the country it is in is not much bigger than that as well. The XII is literally getting nothing but a slot filled that does not need to be filled at this time. We can stop at 12 for now. And if Boise is one of our top 4 targets the conference sounds like it has no plans to try to continue to be P5. No one else is going to take Boise unless the Pac gets raided by about 5 or 6 programs. Talk about expanding just for the sake of saying we expanded. This is it.

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Boise may be a bad option, I don't really know, but you're missing a huge point of expansion. To remain P5 we need the biggest gap possible between us and the G5. Taking the best from the MWC and AAC is the most certain way to do that permanently.

Let's say we added Memphis, UCF, and Cincy from the AAC. The AAC at that point may as well drop to FCS. They're effectively dead and have no hope of catching up to us, ever. That's how we best maintain P5. We need to get stable and stronger, sure, but we also need to kneecap the AAC especially, but if Boise (or another MWC school or 2) make any sense at all we can also kneecap the MWC.

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Suspect source based on past info

Boise is interesting, but why not UNLV? Bigger market, better academics, easier to get to plus Vegas baby, Vegas!

No more TX schools. It's not fair, but if everything was fair Texas who can rarely win more than 7 games wouldn't be in the SEC

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Unfortunately for UNLV, they've never made the commitment necessary to compete at a high level. If they can't win at a high level in the Mountain West, they're not going to do so in the Big 12. And we need teams that can come in and compete immediately.

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Athletic quality is irrelevant. We'd rather have a team with fans and crappy athletics so we get money and an easy win. See SEC regarding UT.

UNLV's problem is fans.

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Athletic quality is not at all irrelevant for a league that can't add name brands. No one this conference could add, other than BYU, brings inherent value as a brand/TV draw. The value added comes in their contributions to a competitive and exciting league. This conference needs to ignore all the bull**** other power leagues have the luxury of chasing and focus on building the best brand it can around the on-field product. It's there that the Big 12 will find relevancy, not in adding ****ty programs in big markets they can't carry.

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I don't disagree with you here actually, but UNLV was the school you talked about and is exactly the kind of school that doesn't carry its own market. Boise can and has a brand and athletic quality most don't.

Fans are the first 10 reasons to take a school. The 11th is athletic quality. UNLV fails all 11.

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Suspect source based on past info

Boise is interesting, but why not UNLV? Bigger market, better academics, easier to get to plus Vegas baby, Vegas!

No more TX schools. It's not fair, but if everything was fair Texas who can rarely win more than 7 games wouldn't be in the SEC

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Unfortunately for UNLV, they've never made the commitment necessary to compete at a high level. If they can't win at a high level in the Mountain West, they're not going to do so in the Big 12. And we need teams that can come in and compete immediately.

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Athletic quality is irrelevant. We'd rather have a team with fans and crappy athletics so we get money and an easy win. See SEC regarding UT.

UNLV's problem is fans.

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Athletic quality is not at all irrelevant for a league that can't add name brands. No one this conference could add, other than BYU, brings inherent value as a brand/TV draw. The value added comes in their contributions to a competitive and exciting league. This conference needs to ignore all the bull**** other power leagues have the luxury of chasing and focus on building the best brand it can around the on-field product. It's there that the Big 12 will find relevancy, not in adding ****ty programs in big markets they can't carry.

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I don't disagree with you here actually, but UNLV was the school you talked about and is exactly the kind of school that doesn't carry its own market. Boise can and has a brand and athletic quality most don't.

Fans are the first 10 reasons to take a school. The 11th is athletic quality. UNLV fails all 11.

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Well, for all but a handful of schools nationwide, fans and athletic quality go hand-in-hand.

And my post was against adding UNLV. If they had done what Boise or UCF had competitively, they'd be a great add. They haven't. And as a result, they bring nothing in terms of eyeballs or a competitive advantage.

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boognish_bear said:

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This was his take earlier when UT/OU left. I don't think anyone else was expecting the remaining teams to be on the SEC radar

Regarding the other teams remaining in the #Big12 , you would think that the other remaining P5 conferences are racing to find these teams homes before the #SEC or a certain conference scoops them all up. #CFB

— Tim Shepherd (@TimShep_) August 17, 2021

NEWS: Hearing there is strong traction that #OKST #Baylor #Kansas and #ISU will all move to #Big10 following the move of Oklahoma and Texas to the #SEC. #CFB @RedditCFB

Blog will be updated later this afternoon following conference call with Jim Stevenson.

— Tim Shepherd (@TimShep_) August 12, 2021

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Wow I'd take B10 in a heartbeat. I think we would do well there. Not getting my hopes up as Tim doesn't even have a blue checkmark.

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Yep, those are old takes from the middle of August. Was just trying to show this guy may be off with his houston info

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But it doesn't seem that far fetched. We most definitely wouldn't be scrapping the bottom of the barrel in Football...Who knows at this point.

The best thing I can say about UNLV is that Everyday Jon transferred to Baylor from there & he's a great add to the MBB program. But that's totally irrelevant to any football discussion.