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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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If we want to play games from 9- midnight central time (not sure why we would I thought the Pac didnt like having that issue) couldnt we just schedule kick offs for 9 pm.

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We don't schedule kickoff times. Our TV partners do. They have to see value in it. And any added value for them is added value for us. That's why creative start times are going to have to be on the table for the Big 12 in the next round of negotiations. We're trying to provide valuable inventory for our TV partners when they need it.

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What I mean is if TV wants XII games kicking off at 10 pm ET/ 9 pm CT, there doesnt have to be a mountain time zone team playing to do that or a team west of the central time zone in the conference to do that.

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Because fans in Texas won't watch it, which is the furthest west we go right now. A Big 12 game in Provo between BYU and Boise St would draw eyeballs. From the west. Where they have fans.

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TV ratings from the past couple of seasons say you are wrong. the boise 9PM games have had solid ratings when they played on ESPN2 in the late night slot.... against other western opponents. Make that opponent one back east and more people will watch.

boognish_bear said:

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This was his take earlier when UT/OU left. I don't think anyone else was expecting the remaining teams to be on the SEC radar

Regarding the other teams remaining in the #Big12 , you would think that the other remaining P5 conferences are racing to find these teams homes before the #SEC or a certain conference scoops them all up. #CFB

— Tim Shepherd (@TimShep_) August 17, 2021

NEWS: Hearing there is strong traction that #OKST #Baylor #Kansas and #ISU will all move to #Big10 following the move of Oklahoma and Texas to the #SEC. #CFB @RedditCFB

Blog will be updated later this afternoon following conference call with Jim Stevenson.

— Tim Shepherd (@TimShep_) August 12, 2021

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Oh.

vanillabryce said:

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Suspect source based on past info

Boise is interesting, but why not UNLV? Bigger market, better academics, easier to get to plus Vegas baby, Vegas!

No more TX schools. It's not fair, but if everything was fair Texas who can rarely win more than 7 games wouldn't be in the SEC

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I think BYU already has a strong presence in Vegas, though I'd love to have an official footprint in Vegas. But, if you want to reach the Vegas market, BYU may already provide that for you.

PartyBear said:

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Someone explain why Houston is out and Boise is in the running. Boise is a mistake in my book.

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BYU and Boise together would be a gateway to adding PAC12 schools if that conference is poached and subsequently crumbles.

I know I am redundant--but, if the Cali schools are taken by B10--having those two opens the door for scheduling and travel for UW and Oregon--not to omit ASU, AZ, Utah--maybe CU.

It would likely be USC and Oregon or Washington or all 3 that go to the Big. If all the California schools go, then that means the Pac would be completely gutted more than the XII even was and frankly there would not be much to pick from there from the XII's stand point and frankly there would not be enough left behind in that case to even try to survive as a power conference. The BiG isnt going to leave Oregon and UW behind if they are taking all the Ca schools.

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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Cincy is way better than Boise. They almost made the play off and more importantly regarding eyes they have had prime time nationally televised games on one of the big 3 over the last 3 years. Same with UCF actually and I recall Memphis having one, not including an AAC championship game against Cincy, over that time period.

The XII's number one goal is to survive as a P5 and that is doable with the right moves and I dont see many being advocated on this thread.

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Boise State has been ranked in all of the past 20 seasons, finishing 13 of those seasons in the top 25. That is an outstanding football program that has sustained its success despite multiple coaching changes and having a fraction of the resources many of those they're competing with have had.

There is a reason Boise State has been included among the top Big 12 expansion candidates by most national writers. That's a respected national brand that has earned its respect on the field.

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Do you realize every rationale you give for Boise, you completely disregard for Baylor etc. regarding other P5s. It doesnt matter if they have been good on the field or finished in the top 20. What matters is that Idaho is basically a geographically smaller Alaska. The entire state is a little over twice the size of the Waco, Temple, Killeen metroplex. The entire region of the country it is in is not much bigger than that as well. The XII is literally getting nothing but a slot filled that does not need to be filled at this time. We can stop at 12 for now. And if Boise is one of our top 4 targets the conference sounds like it has no plans to try to continue to be P5. No one else is going to take Boise unless the Pac gets raided by about 5 or 6 programs. Talk about expanding just for the sake of saying we expanded. This is it.

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Once upon a time--the same could be said for Nebraska...

PartyBear said:

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It would likely be USC and Oregon or Washington or all 3 that go to the Big. If all the California schools go, then that means the Pac would be completely gutted more than the XII even was and frankly there would not be much to pick from there from the XII's stand point and frankly there would not be enough left behind in that case to even try to survive as a power conference. The BiG isnt going to leave Oregon and UW behind if they are taking all the Ca schools.

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Disagree--Arizona schools and Utah would be worthy as football intense schools. they would be great additions.

I think Boise State has been disqualified because the Big XII has an obscure rule against any member having blue turf on their football field.

I firmly support that there rule. That field looks real weird on the tv set.

I'm pretty sure this is true because I read it on the interweb.

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It would likely be USC and Oregon or Washington or all 3 that go to the Big. If all the California schools go, then that means the Pac would be completely gutted more than the XII even was and frankly there would not be much to pick from there from the XII's stand point and frankly there would not be enough left behind in that case to even try to survive as a power conference. The BiG isnt going to leave Oregon and UW behind if they are taking all the Ca schools.

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I'm sorry, but hedging our future on the off-chance that 1/2 of the PAC 12 moves to the B1G is insanity. It makes no geographic sense for west coast schools to join an east coast/Midwest conference. Please refer to a map of the USA.

I love Baylor, but we will be on the outside looking in if there's ever a merger of the Big 12 and PAC 12. Let's hope it never comes to that.

We need to devise a realistic plan if we want the big 12 to survive. Think big, expand to 16 with the best of the MWC and aac.

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I fully expect BYU (and the corresponding BYU network) to be enough of a headache that Cincinnati and UCF get the call up in the short term, then the presidents watch the lay of the land for the next few years to see if there are any more seismic shifts.

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Cincy and UCF have both managed to get the ABC Saturday evening prime time slot in the past couple of years it should be noted. I think Memphis has pulled a prime time ESPN slot as well during this time period. Doing that as G5s is not bad.

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I see Cincy and UCF as very similar to Louisville.

Louisville plays Ole Miss Monday night in prime time.

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I think Boise State has been disqualified because the Big XII has an obscure rule against any member having blue turf on their football field.

I firmly support that there rule. That field looks real weird on the tv set.

I'm pretty sure this is true because I read it on the interweb.

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yeah--it is a very bad look...that blue field.

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It would likely be USC and Oregon or Washington or all 3 that go to the Big. If all the California schools go, then that means the Pac would be completely gutted more than the XII even was and frankly there would not be much to pick from there from the XII's stand point and frankly there would not be enough left behind in that case to even try to survive as a power conference. The BiG isnt going to leave Oregon and UW behind if they are taking all the Ca schools.

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I'm sorry, but hedging our future on the off-chance that 1/2 of the PAC 12 moves to the B1G is insanity. It makes no geographic sense for west coast schools to join an east coast/Midwest conference. Please refer to a map of the USA.

I love Baylor, but we will be on the outside looking in if there's ever a merger of the Big 12 and PAC 12. Let's hope it never comes to that.

We need to devise a realistic plan if we want the big 12 to survive. Think big, expand to 16 with the best of the MWC and aac.

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Where on earth did I say the XII should not act so we could see if half the Pac is raided??

I was responding to those who somehow think taking Boise is some path to getting Pac schools into the XII. Boise is not a path to anything frankly.

I fully endorse the reported strategy of taking BYU, Cincy now and endorse as well the reported strategy of taking , UCF and UH now as well.

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Stranger said:

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I think Boise State has been disqualified because the Big XII has an obscure rule against any member having blue turf on their football field.

I firmly support that there rule. That field looks real weird on the tv set.

I'm pretty sure this is true because I read it on the interweb.

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yeah--it is a very bad look...that blue field.

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I mean that field just screams "bush league " !

Clown source.

The Athletic and ESPN are saying HOU is definitely still in play.

PartyBear said:

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PartyBear said:

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It would likely be USC and Oregon or Washington or all 3 that go to the Big. If all the California schools go, then that means the Pac would be completely gutted more than the XII even was and frankly there would not be much to pick from there from the XII's stand point and frankly there would not be enough left behind in that case to even try to survive as a power conference. The BiG isnt going to leave Oregon and UW behind if they are taking all the Ca schools.

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I'm sorry, but hedging our future on the off-chance that 1/2 of the PAC 12 moves to the B1G is insanity. It makes no geographic sense for west coast schools to join an east coast/Midwest conference. Please refer to a map of the USA.

I love Baylor, but we will be on the outside looking in if there's ever a merger of the Big 12 and PAC 12. Let's hope it never comes to that.

We need to devise a realistic plan if we want the big 12 to survive. Think big, expand to 16 with the best of the MWC and aac.

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Where on earth did I say the XII should not act so we could see if half the Pac is raided??

I was responding to those who somehow think taking Boise is some path to getting Pac schools into the XII. Boise is not a path to anything frankly.

I fully endorse the reported strategy of taking BYU, Cincy now and endorse as well the reported strategy of taking , UCF and UH now as well.

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Boise is a path to higher quality football than we will get with Houston. But Houston brings enough in other areas that I'm fine with that route.

I still don't understand why everyone takes The Athletic at their word?
Isn't it obvious that they don't know anything about The Big12 by now??

Houston was never an actual contender... anyway who truly thinks that Houston was going to be added is a moron or a liar!

The Athletic should NOT be considered a reliable source... especially when it comes to the Big12.

HalibutRetro said:

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vanillabryce said:

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Suspect source based on past info

Boise is interesting, but why not UNLV? Bigger market, better academics, easier to get to plus Vegas baby, Vegas!

No more TX schools. It's not fair, but if everything was fair Texas who can rarely win more than 7 games wouldn't be in the SEC

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I think BYU already has a strong presence in Vegas, though I'd love to have an official footprint in Vegas. But, if you want to reach the Vegas market, BYU may already provide that for you.

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Not sure about Vegas, but BYU probably gets us the Phoenix market. Before software I worked in banking and had many BYU alum contacts. Most, if not from Utah, were from the PHX metro. Lot of BYU undergrad ASU MBAs.

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I still don't understand why everyone takes The Athletic at their word?
Isn't it obvious that they don't know anything about The Big12 by now??

Houston was never an actual contender... anyway who truly thinks that Houston was going to be added is a moron or a liar!

The Athletic should NOT be considered a reliable source... especially when it comes to the Big12.

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yeah, but we got a shiny new realignment thread tho.

ShooterTX said:

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I still don't understand why everyone takes The Athletic at their word?
Isn't it obvious that they don't know anything about The Big12 by now??

Houston was never an actual contender... anyway who truly thinks that Houston was going to be added is a moron or a liar!

The Athletic should NOT be considered a reliable source... especially when it comes to the Big12.

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You'd rather trust the tweet in the OP? Cause that guy is an idiot.

If there was only a way to have a cage match betweeh UH & Memphis

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ShooterTX said:

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I still don't understand why everyone takes The Athletic at their word?
Isn't it obvious that they don't know anything about The Big12 by now??

Houston was never an actual contender... anyway who truly thinks that Houston was going to be added is a moron or a liar!

The Athletic should NOT be considered a reliable source... especially when it comes to the Big12.

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You'd rather trust the tweet in the OP? Cause that guy is an idiot.

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i'd rather trust all the people who so accurately reported our past coaching hires... as in.. zero sources.

ALL of these people are just full of crap, but they think they are experts. It seems like no one with a national following knows ANYTHING about the Big12. How many predicted that Baylor would win 10+ games in 2019? How many actually picked UT to win or come in 2nd place in the Big12 that year? Remind me how many of these wizards of smart picked Baylor to finish top 10 back in 2013? How many in 2014? How many pick UT to be top 10 every preseason for the past 15 years?

Stop worrying about what some self-appointed "expert" thinks or says. They don't know a damn thing.

The Big 12's current preference in expansion discussions is adding four members, sources tell @TheAthletic.

BYU, UCF, Cincinnati and Houston are considered the leading contenders. Still a lot of work to be done.

More info: https://t.co/5V7wCpi0DH

— Max Olson (@max_olson) September 2, 2021

Realignment talk is just about as murky as coaching search talk. There will always be tons of misinformation to wade through. If you can't tolerate some ambiguity and some mirages then just wait for the thread where the final decision is announced.

I've got no skin in the game, but I see The Athletic as one of the stronger names in sports journalism. Doesn't mean they won't get things wrong or be mislead by faulty sources on occasion though. Plus, in the musical chairs of conference realignment what is right today may not be right tomorrow.

MBB & WBB too

AstroCowboy said:

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We don't need to have 2 different Cougar schools anyway

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I agree but I'm not sure it matters. The SEC has 3 tiger teams.

ShooterTX said:

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I still don't understand why everyone takes The Athletic at their word?
Isn't it obvious that they don't know anything about The Big12 by now??

Houston was never an actual contender... anyway who truly thinks that Houston was going to be added is a moron or a liar!

The Athletic should NOT be considered a reliable source... especially when it comes to the Big12.

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And ESPN is even less reliable.

From a trusted source, as of 4:30 this afternoon, UH is definitely still in the mix as an expansion candidate. Tim Shepherd is an idiot and has always thrown *****t on the wall to see what sticks.

Not a big UH guy, but I will say that they have better reception the more you get outside of Texas.

Retweet if you think this is a better conference than the @PAC12 pic.twitter.com/9BPYxrTLYL

— Texas Sports Life (@TXSportsLife) September 2, 2021

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From a trusted source, as of 4:30 this afternoon, UH is definitely still in the mix as an expansion candidate. Tim Shepherd is an idiot and has always thrown *****t on the wall to see what sticks.

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It's a made up name. He has a second account covering the sooners called @SoonerInsiders named John Bianchi. It's a troll making up "breaking news" to gain followers.

boognish_bear said:

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Retweet if you think this is a better conference than the @PAC12 pic.twitter.com/9BPYxrTLYL

— Texas Sports Life (@TXSportsLife) September 2, 2021

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That's a solid league. I would think a North-South alignment would work best, but that would also pair WVU and Cincinnati with BYU every year, forcing multiple cross country trips annually.

But I think that's better than splitting up the Texas schools and Oklahoma State. Those matchups are potential moneymakers. You'd want them played every year.

SOUTH -- Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, UCF
NORTH -- BYU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia

Pretty evenly matched and some good rivalry games preserved. Let's get them in here and do this.

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AstroCowboy said:

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We don't need to have 2 different Cougar schools anyway

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I agree but I'm not sure it matters. The SEC has 3 tiger teams.

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It could be two tigers and one war eagle, or maybe a plainsman

boognish_bear said:

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Retweet if you think this is a better conference than the @PAC12 pic.twitter.com/9BPYxrTLYL

— Texas Sports Life (@TXSportsLife) September 2, 2021

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I'd like to preface by saying I'm pretty bias when it comes to the Coogs and Texas colleges overall.

But this league looks like a bonafide yearly Top 3 basketball conference. And I'd argue as good or a step above the PAC12.

You can do East-West and keep Texoma together with BYU.

bear2be2 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Retweet if you think this is a better conference than the @PAC12 pic.twitter.com/9BPYxrTLYL

— Texas Sports Life (@TXSportsLife) September 2, 2021

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That's a solid league. I would think a North-South alignment would work best, but that would also pair WVU and Cincinnati with BYU every year, forcing multiple cross country trips annually.

But I think that's better than splitting up the Texas schools and Oklahoma State. Those matchups are potential moneymakers. You'd want them played every year.

SOUTH -- Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, UCF
NORTH -- BYU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia

Pretty evenly matched and some good rivalry games preserved. Let's get them in here and do this.

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All of this works.

These schools will produce really good games against evenly matched schools that will be watched on television.

As of 21-22 that is probably the best basketball conference in the country.