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I tend to agree. The Big 12 doesn't need another school from Texas & Houston has no upsides athletically, academically, financially, in terms if recruiting, or anything else. In fact, arguably, they are a downside in each of these.

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yes we do.

You all that think that TCU, TECH, Baylor and Okie St can carry the state of Texas are being silly.

The SEC works because of the rivalry aspect of a lot of the games.

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The Big 12 has plenty of that and Houston will not necessarily add any more. No more than any other team we might add. The SEC does not have more than 2 teams from any one state.

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Would we now be considered an elite program? I think our basketball program is already on that trajectory, and Drew now has the Natty to legitimize the program.

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Baylor's basketball programs, both men & women, are already there. WBB established that by 2019 with 3 national titles and dominating the Big 12 for a decade. MBB did so most recently with so many quality wins and records broken in the past few years--and a natty to top it all off.

I'll have some updates on who among the fifteen schools who contacted the @Big12Conference about expansion have had preliminary visits and those who have been visited from my sources this week, including some that may not have been reported by @max_olson @skhanjr @AndyStaples

— David Smoak (@DavidSmoak) September 3, 2021

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I tend to agree. The Big 12 doesn't need another school from Texas & Houston has no upsides athletically, academically, financially, in terms if recruiting, or anything else. In fact, arguably, they are a downside in each of these.

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yes we do.

You all that think that TCU, TECH, Baylor and Okie St can carry the state of Texas are being silly.

The SEC works because of the rivalry aspect of a lot of the games.

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The Big 12 has plenty of that and Houston will not necessarily add any more. No more than any other team we might add. The SEC does not have more than 2 teams from any one state.

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Would we now be considered an elite program? I think our basketball program is already on that trajectory, and Drew now has the Natty to legitimize the program.

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Baylor's basketball programs, both men & women, are already there. WBB established that by 2019 with 3 national titles and dominating the Big 12 for a decade. MBB did so most recently with so many quality wins and records broken in the past few years--and a natty to top it all off.

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The Big 12 has plenty of that and Houston will not necessarily add any more. No more than any other team we might add. The SEC does not have more than 2 teams from any one state.

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NO WE DONT. The BIGXII no longer has A&M, Texas or OU.

Big rivalry games are what people like to watch on TV, and what gets the casual fan interested. That is why I was never interesting in Boise St, USF or some other far away school we have nothing in common with.

Just like in 2009...I will watch Tech vs UH if I think the game is going to be a good one.

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Baylor's basketball programs, both men & women, are already there. WBB established that by 2019 with 3 national titles and dominating the Big 12 for a decade. MBB did so most recently with so many quality wins and records broken in the past few years--and a natty to top it all off.

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The women are. The men are not.

I'm talking about being the next Duke/North Carolina/Kentucky....which is being #1 basketball school in the entire country for a decade or more.
A school that regularly competes for Conference Titles, Final Fours, and National Titles.

I think Drew could accomplish that over the next 10 years, but we need more skins on the wall.
21 was obviously a great start to this new decade of Baylor basketball.

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Retweet if you think this is a better conference than the @PAC12 pic.twitter.com/9BPYxrTLYL

— Texas Sports Life (@TXSportsLife) September 2, 2021

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That's a solid league. I would think a North-South alignment would work best, but that would also pair WVU and Cincinnati with BYU every year, forcing multiple cross country trips annually.

But I think that's better than splitting up the Texas schools and Oklahoma State. Those matchups are potential moneymakers. You'd want them played every year.

SOUTH -- Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, UCF
NORTH -- BYU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia

Pretty evenly matched and some good rivalry games preserved. Let's get them in here and do this.

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All of this works.

These schools will produce really good games against evenly matched schools that will be watched on television.

As of 21-22 that is probably the best basketball conference in the country.

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BU, TT, UCinn, KU, OSU, UHouston, WVU, ISU. It's quite possible to have these 6-8 of these teams in the Tournament or at least be competitive enough to be in the conversation.

The basketball alone will be phenomenal.

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It's going to be a really fun league for those involved. Hopefully national viewers will come to agree in time. The competition in this bunch is going to be intense. We may lack the elite programs at the top, but almost everyone is good or committed to being good in both football and basketball.

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One (possibly 2 or 3) of the remaining 12 WILL become the elite programs at the top.

Might as well be us.

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There can be elite teams, but elite programs take decades to build, and there are only a couple of cases we can point to of non-bluebloods crashing that party.

I think more than likely you'll see some really good teams in the Big 12, but it will be on a rotating basis.

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What if we win the next 10 BIGXII conference titles and win a Natty or two?

Would we now be considered an elite program? I think our basketball program is already on that trajectory, and Drew now has the Natty to legitimize the program.

Quit looking at the past, and look towards the future. This conference is going to be much easier to win than the SEC, or even the past BIGXII.

Part of the reason Miami and Florida St became blue bloods in the 80's and 90's was they dominated a weaker conference.

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Sure. That's what Florida State, Miami and Oregon (minus the national titles) did to get where they are. But it's really hard to attain that level of national respect as a non-traditional power, which is important in a sport where perception is reality.

And I don't know why you would take that post to be negative about this conference. I was the first on here to advocate for a rebuilt Big 12 with exactly the types of programs we're adding. I'm pumped.

But there's nothing wrong with accepting the reality of our situation. We're likely to play fourth or fifth fiddle nationally because of our lack of traditional powers. And that's fine with me as long as we have access to an expanded playoff and a better TV contract that we would get as a member of the AAC. We have the opportunity to change the narrative where it really matters: On the field.

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I've agreed with you on about 90% of your posts on realignment. . On this topic, I slightly disagree with you.

I think this is a tremendous opportunity for Baylor University, and our Athletic Department.

If A&M and UT continue to be average we could easily surpass them....even with all that money they love to brag about.

Some school will dominate this new conference and will become a member of the Big Dog club.

In 2019 many of our rivals were terrified that we bounced back so quickly (11-3) after destroying our program in 2016. We came a defensive stop away from winning the BIGXII and going to the playoffs.

I don't see any reason why we cant replicate 2011-2015 and 2019 in this new conference.

I'm for everyone playing each other in a 12 team conference, with one nonconference game a year. One true champion. Every other year you get to see every opponent on your home field. With the alliance among PAC12, ACC, and B10, little chance of scheduling any of those teams anyway. The time to play those is bowl games.

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I tend to agree. The Big 12 doesn't need another school from Texas & Houston has no upsides athletically, academically, financially, in terms if recruiting, or anything else. In fact, arguably, they are a downside in each of these.

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yes we do.

You all that think that TCU, TECH, Baylor and Okie St can carry the state of Texas are being silly.

The SEC works because of the rivalry aspect of a lot of the games.

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The Big 12 has plenty of that and Houston will not necessarily add any more. No more than any other team we might add. The SEC does not have more than 2 teams from any one state.

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Would we now be considered an elite program? I think our basketball program is already on that trajectory, and Drew now has the Natty to legitimize the program.

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Baylor's basketball programs, both men & women, are already there. WBB established that by 2019 with 3 national titles and dominating the Big 12 for a decade. MBB did so most recently with so many quality wins and records broken in the past few years--and a natty to top it all off.

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The Big 12 has plenty of that and Houston will not necessarily add any more. No more than any other team we might add. The SEC does not have more than 2 teams from any one state.

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NO WE DONT. The BIGXII no longer has A&M, Texas or OU.

Big rivalry games are what people like to watch on TV, and what gets the casual fan interested. That is why I was never interesting in Boise St, USF or some other far away school we have nothing in common with.

Just like in 2009...I will watch Tech vs UH if I think the game is going to be a good one.

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Baylor's basketball programs, both men & women, are already there. WBB established that by 2019 with 3 national titles and dominating the Big 12 for a decade. MBB did so most recently with so many quality wins and records broken in the past few years--and a natty to top it all off.

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The women are. The men are not.

I'm talking about being the next Duke/North Carolina/Kentucky....which is being #1 basketball school in the entire country for a decade or more.
A school that regularly competes for Conference Titles, Final Fours, and National Titles.

I think Drew could accomplish that over the next 10 years, but we need more skins on the wall.
21 was obviously a great start to this new decade of Baylor basketball.

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It depends on how you define things, such as "elite".

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I tend to agree. The Big 12 doesn't need another school from Texas & Houston has no upsides athletically, academically, financially, in terms if recruiting, or anything else. In fact, arguably, they are a downside in each of these.

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yes we do.

You all that think that TCU, TECH, Baylor and Okie St can carry the state of Texas are being silly.

The SEC works because of the rivalry aspect of a lot of the games.

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The Big 12 has plenty of that and Houston will not necessarily add any more. No more than any other team we might add. The SEC does not have more than 2 teams from any one state.

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Would we now be considered an elite program? I think our basketball program is already on that trajectory, and Drew now has the Natty to legitimize the program.

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Baylor's basketball programs, both men & women, are already there. WBB established that by 2019 with 3 national titles and dominating the Big 12 for a decade. MBB did so most recently with so many quality wins and records broken in the past few years--and a natty to top it all off.

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While it is true that the SEC doesn't have more than 2 teams in a state the size of the states has been a factor. Until a few years ago they had only small states in their conference. Small states that don't have more than 2 big football teams.

Valid point. I'm not sure we can compare the Big 12 to the SEC in any way. However my main point is Houston doesn't offer any of those rivalries for any of the Texas teams. Maybe over time it will develop, but it's not there now. I don't think any of them even play UH regularly in any major sport (fb, MBB, WBB).

look at it this way. The Big12 will get more Texas team vs Texas team each year. The SEC will get one.

Well this "news" didn't turn out to dependable.

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Well this "news" didn't turn out to dependable.

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Perhaps it should have been posted on the R&P board. It would fit right in there.

Mannnnnnnn this thread aged horribly. He even deleted his tweets

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Mannnnnnnn this thread aged horribly. He even deleted his tweets

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Yeah it did

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Mannnnnnnn this thread aged horribly. He even deleted his tweets

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That Shepperd dude is a fraud

Oh the fake news.

All the speculation can end now: it's official. No surprise since it's been semi-official all week.

Please join us in welcoming Houston to the Big 12!@UHCougars | #Big12 pic.twitter.com/CPGuZQ9M5I

— Big 12 Conference (@Big12Conference) September 10, 2021

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I still don't understand why everyone takes The Athletic at their word?
Isn't it obvious that they don't know anything about The Big12 by now??

Houston was never an actual contender... anyway who truly thinks that Houston was going to be added is a moron or a liar!

The Athletic should NOT be considered a reliable source... especially when it comes to the Big12.

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Are you always this spectacularly wrong?