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McGregor is to Woodway/Hewitt what McKinney/Allen were to Plano back in the early 90s.

I expect McGregor (and Speegleville) to start experiencing rapid growth, probably sooner rather than later. With the overpass that was completed over Speeglville/Old Lorena Rd in 2020, it puts a much much quicker drive from McGregor to Waco... no more getting bottlenecked at that light.

I think this development, The Concourse, will probably get done.

There seems to quite a bit of development still going on in HWY 84 corridor. In the next 12 -18 years, I wouldn't be surprised if McGregor ISD becomes an in-demand school district.

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Taught at Mcgregor High School some time ago. When being shown around the high school, I was told MISD had the same demographic breakdown that Waco high did at the time. It's not what you think. I found it to be that way, but I love that. The kids were great.
I will say this, my old boss is a Baylor graduate who just bought the mcgregor mirror, the old town newspaper. Support that paper. Fantastic person.

But no, mcgregor won't becoming the next midway, and i hope it never does( not that you ever contended that it would).

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PartyBear said:

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I was going to say McGregor is a strange location at this time for this development, but then I realized the location is next to the McGregor Airport. That is just 3-4 miles past the Ritchie Road exit of 84 which means this location is practically in Woodway.

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It won't work in McGregor not enough people live in that area.

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That's a simple way to look at it. The area is in the process of absolutely exploding, and there's not much going to stop it. It's akin to buying Tesla stock the day before earnings last week rather than buying 6 years ago. You can be ahead of the curve, or let it flatten you after the fact.

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dave714 said:

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PartyBear said:

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I was going to say McGregor is a strange location at this time for this development, but then I realized the location is next to the McGregor Airport. That is just 3-4 miles past the Ritchie Road exit of 84 which means this location is practically in Woodway.

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It won't work in McGregor not enough people live in that area.

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That's a simple way to look at it. The area is in the process of absolutely exploding, and there's not much going to stop it. It's akin to buying Tesla stock the day before earnings last week rather than buying 6 years ago. You can be ahead of the curve, or let it flatten you after the fact.

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To quote the great Yogi Berra, "Nobody goes there anymore..it's too crowded."

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trey3216 said:

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dave714 said:

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PartyBear said:

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I was going to say McGregor is a strange location at this time for this development, but then I realized the location is next to the McGregor Airport. That is just 3-4 miles past the Ritchie Road exit of 84 which means this location is practically in Woodway.

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It won't work in McGregor not enough people live in that area.

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That's a simple way to look at it. The area is in the process of absolutely exploding, and there's not much going to stop it. It's akin to buying Tesla stock the day before earnings last week rather than buying 6 years ago. You can be ahead of the curve, or let it flatten you after the fact.

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To quote the great Yogi Berra, "Nobody goes there anymore..it's too crowded."

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There's that terrible anti-growth Waco mentality we all love......

Anothet great Yogi-ism..."It's tough to make predictions..especially about the future." :-) PS..I'm agreeing with Trey..that area is indeed exploding!

Bexar Pitts said:

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Anothet great Yogi-ism..."It's tough to make predictions..especially about the future." :-) PS..I'm agreeing with Trey..that area is indeed exploding!

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Oh ok lol

Bexar Pitts said:

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Anothet great Yogi-ism..."It's tough to make predictions..especially about the future." :-) PS..I'm agreeing with Trey..that area is indeed exploding!

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And hopefully not as a result of a SpaceX "rapid unplanned disintegration"

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Bexar Pitts said:

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Anothet great Yogi-ism..."It's tough to make predictions..especially about the future." :-) PS..I'm agreeing with Trey..that area is indeed exploding!

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And hopefully not as a result of a SpaceX "rapid unplanned disintegration"

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Which brings up the question...how loud is rocket testing in the McGregor area? Big deal? Can't even hear it?

I'm asking because we are looking for property and really like the area within a few miles surrounding Hwy 84. But, I don't want to have a quiet night looking at stars interrupted by SpaceX.

Thoughts?

No problem, the last nightly rumble is at 8:59pm

It's a great area and yes it is the growth spot for sure

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whitetrash said:

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Bexar Pitts said:

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Anothet great Yogi-ism..."It's tough to make predictions..especially about the future." :-) PS..I'm agreeing with Trey..that area is indeed exploding!

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And hopefully not as a result of a SpaceX "rapid unplanned disintegration"

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Which brings up the question...how loud is rocket testing in the McGregor area? Big deal? Can't even hear it?

I'm asking because we are looking for property and really like the area within a few miles surrounding Hwy 84. But, I don't want to have a quiet night looking at stars interrupted by SpaceX.

Thoughts?

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The Space X rapters rumble for sure.. i dont think they are using the Merlin engines any more. The Falcons and the Dracos arent really felt/heard too much.

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whitetrash said:

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Bexar Pitts said:

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Anothet great Yogi-ism..."It's tough to make predictions..especially about the future." :-) PS..I'm agreeing with Trey..that area is indeed exploding!

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And hopefully not as a result of a SpaceX "rapid unplanned disintegration"

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Which brings up the question...how loud is rocket testing in the McGregor area? Big deal? Can't even hear it?

I'm asking because we are looking for property and really like the area within a few miles surrounding Hwy 84. But, I don't want to have a quiet night looking at stars interrupted by SpaceX.

Thoughts?

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My office is probably 18-19 miles as the crow flies, and home is probably 20-22 miles. I can hear and feel SpaceX, from both places (even more so when it's cloudy and the sound waves reverberate), but not to the point of shaking things. Obviously those closer feel it more strongly.

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whitetrash said:

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Bexar Pitts said:

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Anothet great Yogi-ism..."It's tough to make predictions..especially about the future." :-) PS..I'm agreeing with Trey..that area is indeed exploding!

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And hopefully not as a result of a SpaceX "rapid unplanned disintegration"

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Which brings up the question...how loud is rocket testing in the McGregor area? Big deal? Can't even hear it?

I'm asking because we are looking for property and really like the area within a few miles surrounding Hwy 84. But, I don't want to have a quiet night looking at stars interrupted by SpaceX.

Thoughts?

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I'm about 5 miles from Space-X and you get pretty used to it. Any test is usually no more than 2 mins, it's not that bad, and typically 9pm is the cutoff. If it's after 9pm you know the City of McGregor just got a new playground paid for.

We're right across from McGregor Executive Airport and I'm way more annoyed by Cessnas than I am by Elon n' Co.

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No comprendo

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I'm not saying that Trader Joe's isn't coming to that area; however, they would be much better suited in Central Texas Market Place.

The McGregor seems a little too limited at this point for them to move there.

There name on this announcement feels more splash to draw attention to the project. (Think every time Pappasito's is mentioned.) I could see Central Market saying yes to that area.

[Crap. I thought about Pappasito's - now I want Tex-Mex tonight]

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2 of those 7 actually showed up. And only one of them lasted.

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I liked Potbelly the few times I ate there. The location was just not good as it is sort of hard to get to and small parking area.

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whitetrash said:

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SteamedHams said:

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I'm not saying that Trader Joe's isn't coming to that area; however, they would be much better suited in Central Texas Market Place.

The McGregor seems a little too limited at this point for them to move there.

There name on this announcement feels more splash to draw attention to the project. (Think every time Pappasito's is mentioned.) I could see Central Market saying yes to that area.

[Crap. I thought about Pappasito's - now I want Tex-Mex tonight]

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2 of those 7 actually showed up. And only one of them lasted.

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I liked Potbelly the few times I ate there. The location was just not good as it is sort of hard to get to and small parking area.

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rule #1- never build a business near starbucks drive thru

This building and the one on wooded acres cant keep a business in it

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cowboycwr said:

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SteamedHams said:

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I'm not saying that Trader Joe's isn't coming to that area; however, they would be much better suited in Central Texas Market Place.

The McGregor seems a little too limited at this point for them to move there.

There name on this announcement feels more splash to draw attention to the project. (Think every time Pappasito's is mentioned.) I could see Central Market saying yes to that area.

[Crap. I thought about Pappasito's - now I want Tex-Mex tonight]

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2 of those 7 actually showed up. And only one of them lasted.

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I liked Potbelly the few times I ate there. The location was just not good as it is sort of hard to get to and small parking area.

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rule #1- never build a business near starbucks drive thru

This building and the one on wooded acres cant keep a business in it

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That certainly didn't help but I always thought it was the fact that there were about 10 parking spots out front, many of which usually taken by someone eating at Bubba's next door. Or the fact that if you were coming from Valley Mills you had to drive through the whole shopping center to get there.

Can confirm there's no current plans for new or remodeling of HEB's in the Waco area. Not to say that can't change, but what's the incentive for them? Virtually no competition(and their competition isn't interested in the market either) and they're growth plan is currently focused on DFW and Austin area.

Also I don't see any traditional grocer as a play in this area; a Trader Joes, Sprouts, or Natural Grocers could be an option to hit the niche market with the higher end crowd out there.

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Can confirm there's no current plans for new or remodeling of HEB's in the Waco area. Not to say that can't change, but what's the incentive for them? Virtually no competition(and their competition isn't interested in the market either) and they're growth plan is currently focused on DFW and Austin area.

Also I don't see any traditional grocer as a play in this area; a Trader Joes, Sprouts, or Natural Grocers could be an option to hit the niche market with the higher end crowd out there.

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They just completely remodeled Wooded Acres and it took almost 2 years to make it one level below Central Market. Best store in town though is S. Valley Mills.

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Can confirm there's no current plans for new or remodeling of HEB's in the Waco area. Not to say that can't change, but what's the incentive for them? Virtually no competition(and their competition isn't interested in the market either) and they're growth plan is currently focused on DFW and Austin area.

Also I don't see any traditional grocer as a play in this area; a Trader Joes, Sprouts, or Natural Grocers could be an option to hit the niche market with the higher end crowd out there.

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They just completely remodeled Wooded Acres and it took almost 2 years to make it one level below Central Market. Best store in town though is S. Valley Mills.

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Lost in all this is that the most pressing issue in McLennan County...is the need to resurrect the Ghetto HEB. The Baylor bubble grocery desert is real.

BRING IT BACK, YOU COWARDS.

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Can confirm there's no current plans for new or remodeling of HEB's in the Waco area. Not to say that can't change, but what's the incentive for them? Virtually no competition(and their competition isn't interested in the market either) and they're growth plan is currently focused on DFW and Austin area.

Also I don't see any traditional grocer as a play in this area; a Trader Joes, Sprouts, or Natural Grocers could be an option to hit the niche market with the higher end crowd out there.

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They just completely remodeled Wooded Acres and it took almost 2 years to make it one level below Central Market. Best store in town though is S. Valley Mills.

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Correct on Wooded Acres, but there's no current plans for other remodels or new stores in the area beyond that one already being complete.

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Jackson Bear said:

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Weston Rogers said:

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Can confirm there's no current plans for new or remodeling of HEB's in the Waco area. Not to say that can't change, but what's the incentive for them? Virtually no competition(and their competition isn't interested in the market either) and they're growth plan is currently focused on DFW and Austin area.

Also I don't see any traditional grocer as a play in this area; a Trader Joes, Sprouts, or Natural Grocers could be an option to hit the niche market with the higher end crowd out there.

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They just completely remodeled Wooded Acres and it took almost 2 years to make it one level below Central Market. Best store in town though is S. Valley Mills.

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Lost in all this is that the most pressing issue in McLennan County...is the need to resurrect the Ghetto HEB. The Baylor bubble grocery desert is real.

BRING IT BACK, YOU COWARDS.

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meh. VM location is plenty close

trey3216 said:

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SteamedHams said:

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Jackson Bear said:

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Weston Rogers said:

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Can confirm there's no current plans for new or remodeling of HEB's in the Waco area. Not to say that can't change, but what's the incentive for them? Virtually no competition(and their competition isn't interested in the market either) and they're growth plan is currently focused on DFW and Austin area.

Also I don't see any traditional grocer as a play in this area; a Trader Joes, Sprouts, or Natural Grocers could be an option to hit the niche market with the higher end crowd out there.

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They just completely remodeled Wooded Acres and it took almost 2 years to make it one level below Central Market. Best store in town though is S. Valley Mills.

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Lost in all this is that the most pressing issue in McLennan County...is the need to resurrect the Ghetto HEB. The Baylor bubble grocery desert is real.

BRING IT BACK, YOU COWARDS.

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meh. VM location is plenty close

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Yeah, hard pass on that idea. Ghetto HEB was a 2 min in and out operation. It was a simpler time.

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trey3216 said:

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SteamedHams said:

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Jackson Bear said:

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Can confirm there's no current plans for new or remodeling of HEB's in the Waco area. Not to say that can't change, but what's the incentive for them? Virtually no competition(and their competition isn't interested in the market either) and they're growth plan is currently focused on DFW and Austin area.

Also I don't see any traditional grocer as a play in this area; a Trader Joes, Sprouts, or Natural Grocers could be an option to hit the niche market with the higher end crowd out there.

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They just completely remodeled Wooded Acres and it took almost 2 years to make it one level below Central Market. Best store in town though is S. Valley Mills.

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Lost in all this is that the most pressing issue in McLennan County...is the need to resurrect the Ghetto HEB. The Baylor bubble grocery desert is real.

BRING IT BACK, YOU COWARDS.

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meh. VM location is plenty close

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Yeah, hard pass on that idea. Ghetto HEB was a 2 min in and out operation. It was a simpler time.

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oh it was simple, but good luck getting decent meats and such there. VM store is quick and easy, but with a vehicle involved (assuming the kids don't get them delivered, or if they buy groceries at all)

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Infrastructure out that way is about be revamped as well. They are about to begin construction of a fly over exchange between 340 and 84 similar to the the one at 35 and 340. This is badly needed as of now btw. Additionally the Hewitt exit is about to be revamped at the same time along with 84 expansion along that stretch ( caveat: my memory may be a little murky over whether 84 is being expanded).

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So they are currently working on 6 to make the frontage road go all the way from 35 to the lake.... and then when that is done or nearly done they are going to mess up the area again by working on a fly over at that intersection?

It is needed I guess I just don't understand why some of the work is not already started or what they are waiting on?

Will it be fly over going all directions or only certain ones like at 35 and 6?

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Infrastructure out that way is about be revamped as well. They are about to begin construction of a fly over exchange between 340 and 84 similar to the the one at 35 and 340. This is badly needed as of now btw. Additionally the Hewitt exit is about to be revamped at the same time along with 84 expansion along that stretch ( caveat: my memory may be a little murky over whether 84 is being expanded).

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So they are currently working on 6 to make the frontage road go all the way from 35 to the lake.... and then when that is done or nearly done they are going to mess up the area again by working on a fly over at that intersection?

It is needed I guess I just don't understand why some of the work is not already started or what they are waiting on?

Will it be fly over going all directions or only certain ones like at 35 and 6?

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I think the frontage road is supposed to end at Richland Mall, no? Isn't it the "mall to mall" project? Not that that invalidates your point re: the flyover, however.

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Infrastructure out that way is about be revamped as well. They are about to begin construction of a fly over exchange between 340 and 84 similar to the the one at 35 and 340. This is badly needed as of now btw. Additionally the Hewitt exit is about to be revamped at the same time along with 84 expansion along that stretch ( caveat: my memory may be a little murky over whether 84 is being expanded).

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So they are currently working on 6 to make the frontage road go all the way from 35 to the lake.... and then when that is done or nearly done they are going to mess up the area again by working on a fly over at that intersection?

It is needed I guess I just don't understand why some of the work is not already started or what they are waiting on?

Will it be fly over going all directions or only certain ones like at 35 and 6?

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If I remember correctly, there will be one from 84E to 6N and one from 6N to 84W

SteamedHams said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Infrastructure out that way is about be revamped as well. They are about to begin construction of a fly over exchange between 340 and 84 similar to the the one at 35 and 340. This is badly needed as of now btw. Additionally the Hewitt exit is about to be revamped at the same time along with 84 expansion along that stretch ( caveat: my memory may be a little murky over whether 84 is being expanded).

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So they are currently working on 6 to make the frontage road go all the way from 35 to the lake.... and then when that is done or nearly done they are going to mess up the area again by working on a fly over at that intersection?

It is needed I guess I just don't understand why some of the work is not already started or what they are waiting on?

Will it be fly over going all directions or only certain ones like at 35 and 6?

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I think the frontage road is supposed to end at Richland Mall, no? Isn't it the "mall to mall" project? Not that that invalidates your point re: the flyover, however.

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Well it already goes from the mall to the lake so this project does connect the two malls but essentially also connects the frontage road from the mall to the lake.

Technically it connects the frontage road from the Brazos river where it starts on 6 all the way to the lake.

Really either way you say it I think we are saying the same thing. Before construction began if you got on the frontage road at 35 it stopped at two different points due to railroad tracks.

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Infrastructure out that way is about be revamped as well. They are about to begin construction of a fly over exchange between 340 and 84 similar to the the one at 35 and 340. This is badly needed as of now btw. Additionally the Hewitt exit is about to be revamped at the same time along with 84 expansion along that stretch ( caveat: my memory may be a little murky over whether 84 is being expanded).

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So they are currently working on 6 to make the frontage road go all the way from 35 to the lake.... and then when that is done or nearly done they are going to mess up the area again by working on a fly over at that intersection?

It is needed I guess I just don't understand why some of the work is not already started or what they are waiting on?

Will it be fly over going all directions or only certain ones like at 35 and 6?

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If I remember correctly, there will be one from 84E to 6N and one from 6N to 84W

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One of those seems good- the 6 to 84. 84E to 6N seems like it needs to go to 6S as that is where the back up happens the most. Also, seems like there needs to be one more from 84W to 6S as that light is always backed up as well.

Like I said fly overs are necessary today actually at that intersection. I cannot imagine the cluster it will be while they are constructing the fly overs. In fact, I'm not sure how the hell they will do it without having to close down that intersection.

The access roads from 35 to Richland Mall on 340 did not go all they way. They broke and ended at spots become mandatory turn arounds in those spots. I'm using past tense now because they are currently destroyed.

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VM store is quick and easy, but with a vehicle involved (assuming the kids don't get them delivered, or if they buy groceries at all)

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I might disagree with the quick and easy. The parking lot is strangely configured with the adjacent strip center attached (Twin Liquors, etc.)

Entering the parking lot is somewhat challenging from either the VM side or access road side.

I love the store and their variety, but I find myself stopping at the Bellmead HEB for convenience on my way home. (I work on the north side of town.)

(City of Waco problems)