Waco Public Schools

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hodedofome
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boxster said:

BaylorGuy314 said:

I don't think the number of private schools in Waco has doubled but I do think their enrollment is growing more quickly. As I think through the list, most of these schools have been around for at least 15 years (many closer to 20-30) but have grown in presence and offerings. This is what comes to mind...


Eagle Christian (PK-12)
Live Oak Classical (PK-12)
Parkview Christian Academy (1-12)
Waco Montessori (PK-6)
St Paul's (PK-6)
Woodway Christian (PK-8)
St. Louis (PK-8)
Vanguard (7-12)
Reicher Catholic (9-12)

And don't forget Harmony, a charter school.


Eagle Christian was formed a few years back with the merger of Texas Christian and Waco Baptist Academy.

Live Oak is fairly new.

Valor is like 5 years old and is in the old Texas Christian building and was started by several Antiochers, lots of Antioch families send their kids to school there.

Acton Academy was started a few years ago, first one got started in Austin. It's like Montessori on steroids, the kids choose whatever they want to do.
hodedofome
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TrapIt4Life said:

I taught in WISD for a few years (University High School) before eventually switching to Midway, and am also the parent of two younger kids.

You could not *pay* me to send my kids to Waco ISD. I can't speak to their elementary schools, but at least at the high school level, it was an absolute s*&t show. The inability to level any discipline whatsoever hamstrings any chance to employ some semblance of classroom management.

I would routinely have kids who would threaten me physically, throw supplies, hit other students, swear at me like a sailor with Tourettes, and when I would call down to the office, basically the refrain I would get was, "yeah, office is full, you're just going to have to deal with it". They would refuse to suspend them (that's what the student wants to happen anyway, woo-hoo, no school), they wouldn't expel them, because they need the funding per enrolled students, and the alternative school was always full.

On multiple occasions I was told to give the QB of the football team, who did not show up from about September 4th until late November, "somewhere in the high B to low A range" on all his missed assignments. I refused to give someone grades they hadn't earned, and was called in to meet with the principal at the time and a WISD board member suggesting that I give him those grades if I wanted to continue working there. I refused, and fortunately found a great landing spot at MHS, and the difference was night and day.

Anyone who tells you that WISD is sunshine and roses and an equally great academic atmosphere to MHS or these other charters is deluding themselves. There is zero accountability, and while many of the teachers are well-meaning and have patience for bulls*&^ beyond what I could handle, until they devise a system to deal with the bad apples, and/or start to engage parents into actually caring about their own kids, it would be a cold, cold day in hell before I ever let me kids walk through their doors.


Back in the day I substitute taught at every campus in WISD. There were some elementary schools that were pretty good, and even the ones in the rough parts of town weren't terrible.

Middle schools were hit or miss. Cesar Chavez was new when I was there and you could tell the kids were proud of it and pretty well behaved. They were respectful and had to wear a uniform. Wiley on the other hand was a complete zoo. I've never seen such madness and eventually the school was shut down and I support that 100%.

Of the high schools, University was better as far as behavior IMO. Waco High I'd get cussed out just for asking a kid to take a test. However at Waco High you have a few rich kids sprinkled in there because they transferred from Vanguard to get in the top 10% so they could get a scholarship.
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I know lots of kids who have had good experiences in the Waco High AP curriculum the last several years. Some from Ridgewood, Castle Heights, lake neighborhood; some good kids from working class neighborhoods. Some have transferred from private schools and preferred Waco High. I'd be less inclined to send a kid to Waco ISD in elementary or middle school/JH before the AP curriculum / bifurcation kicks in.

Now, as far as what people on this board are going to think...
cowboycwr
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BaylorGuy314 said:

I don't think the number of private schools in Waco has doubled but I do think their enrollment is growing more quickly. As I think through the list, most of these schools have been around for at least 15 years (many closer to 20-30) but have grown in presence and offerings. This is what comes to mind...


Eagle Christian (PK-12)
Live Oak Classical (PK-12)
Parkview Christian Academy (1-12)
Waco Montessori (PK-6)
St Paul's (PK-6)
Woodway Christian (PK-8)
St. Louis (PK-8)
Vanguard (7-12)
Reicher Catholic (9-12)



As someone mentioned there is also Harmony science academy and they just opened a second campus a few years ago. Elementary and secondary now.

There are also the rapoport academy campuses.

There is also Waco Charter School that is PK- 5th public charter school not run by WISD.

The last two I would mention aren't choices for academically good students but are good choices for students who have fallen behind but want to finish.

Methodist children's home school- a public charter school that one can attend without living at the home.

And Premier High School for kids who want to graduate but have fallen behind.

So bottom line there are lots of choices for all levels of incomes and learners and I think many parents choose those instead of the struggling WISD schools. All the other options have smaller class size, less discipline issues, etc. etc. making them better learning environments.
cowboycwr
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jbbear said:

CTbruin said:

Yes

Waco public schools are not well thought of. And the reason Midway, China Springs, Lorena as well as many private schools have done so well.
Doesn't help that the previous superintendent was a pot smoker. And for those that have no issue with a public school superintendent smoking pot (not sure how that's possible), he was an incompetent idiot before he got caught with the wacky weed.


He was an idiot for smoking pot but he was doing good things in the district before that.
cowboycwr
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bularry said:

BaylorGuy314 said:

I don't think the number of private schools in Waco has doubled but I do think their enrollment is growing more quickly. As I think through the list, most of these schools have been around for at least 15 years (many closer to 20-30) but have grown in presence and offerings. This is what comes to mind...


Eagle Christian (PK-12)
Live Oak Classical (PK-12)
Parkview Christian Academy (1-12)
Waco Montessori (PK-6)
St Paul's (PK-6)
Woodway Christian (PK-8)
St. Louis (PK-8)
Vanguard (7-12)
Reicher Catholic (9-12)

It is just another way to divide the "have's" from the "have nots"

As the differences in income become wider, those in the upper tiers can pay for private school while the working class can't. ain't going away.




I agree it is a further separation of the two. Which is why I think the growth of charter schools is happening.

No cost to go there so the poorer families can take their kids out of the public schools and enroll them in the public charter schools.
cowboycwr
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TrapIt4Life said:

I taught in WISD for a few years (University High School) before eventually switching to Midway, and am also the parent of two younger kids.

You could not *pay* me to send my kids to Waco ISD. I can't speak to their elementary schools, but at least at the high school level, it was an absolute s*&t show. The inability to level any discipline whatsoever hamstrings any chance to employ some semblance of classroom management.

I would routinely have kids who would threaten me physically, throw supplies, hit other students, swear at me like a sailor with Tourettes, and when I would call down to the office, basically the refrain I would get was, "yeah, office is full, you're just going to have to deal with it". They would refuse to suspend them (that's what the student wants to happen anyway, woo-hoo, no school), they wouldn't expel them, because they need the funding per enrolled students, and the alternative school was always full.

On multiple occasions I was told to give the QB of the football team, who did not show up from about September 4th until late November, "somewhere in the high B to low A range" on all his missed assignments. I refused to give someone grades they hadn't earned, and was called in to meet with the principal at the time and a WISD board member suggesting that I give him those grades if I wanted to continue working there. I refused, and fortunately found a great landing spot at MHS, and the difference was night and day.

Anyone who tells you that WISD is sunshine and roses and an equally great academic atmosphere to MHS or these other charters is deluding themselves. There is zero accountability, and while many of the teachers are well-meaning and have patience for bulls*&^ beyond what I could handle, until they devise a system to deal with the bad apples, and/or start to engage parents into actually caring about their own kids, it would be a cold, cold day in hell before I ever let me kids walk through their doors.


Your story is the same as what happens at Waco high.

Part of the problem is state and federal mandates. If a district punishes too many minority students it raises flags and the get people from Austin asking why so many minorities are going to DAEP, ISS or being suspended. They don't care if your school is 90% minority. They just look at the ethnic make up of the ones in trouble.

I would have recorded that meeting with the board member and turned them in as that is highly illegal what they did.

WISD has great opportunities for AP students and their dual credit program. But I'm not sure that is worth the other stuff the kids have to put up with in other classes, the hall ways, lunch, etc.

The district, like all districts in TX, have their hands tied on being able to control discipline though. Rules like the ones I mentioned before. Or the ones around special ed students being out of service, age restrictions for suspensions, ISS, etc. handed down by the state.

But your last point is spot on. Until parents care WISD (and all schools across the state/country) can't improve.


cowboycwr
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hodedofome said:

boxster said:

BaylorGuy314 said:

I don't think the number of private schools in Waco has doubled but I do think their enrollment is growing more quickly. As I think through the list, most of these schools have been around for at least 15 years (many closer to 20-30) but have grown in presence and offerings. This is what comes to mind...


Eagle Christian (PK-12)
Live Oak Classical (PK-12)
Parkview Christian Academy (1-12)
Waco Montessori (PK-6)
St Paul's (PK-6)
Woodway Christian (PK-8)
St. Louis (PK-8)
Vanguard (7-12)
Reicher Catholic (9-12)

And don't forget Harmony, a charter school.


Eagle Christian was formed a few years back with the merger of Texas Christian and Waco Baptist Academy.

Live Oak is fairly new.

Valor is like 5 years old and is in the old Texas Christian building and was started by several Antiochers, lots of Antioch families send their kids to school there.

Acton Academy was started a few years ago, first one got started in Austin. It's like Montessori on steroids, the kids choose whatever they want to do.


Eagle Christian is new in name but the two that combined to make it had been around a while.

I wouldn't call live oak fairly new anymore. 2004 is when they started. They have benefited a lot from the silos and charging parking for the tourists. Well the church really since it owns the property but it seems the money gets to the school as they have added several buildings, remodeled them, etc.

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Robert Wilson said:

I know lots of kids who have had good experiences in the Waco High AP curriculum the last several years. Some from Ridgewood, Castle Heights, lake neighborhood; some good kids from working class neighborhoods. Some have transferred from private schools and preferred Waco High. I'd be less inclined to send a kid to Waco ISD in elementary or middle school/JH before the AP curriculum / bifurcation kicks in.

Now, as far as what people on this board are going to think...


I agree that I would not send my kids to to WISD below high school level.

But if they are focused enough they can get lots of credits through AP and dual credit classes. WISD has a program where you can graduate with your high school diploma and an associates degree. Some kids even do it in 3 years.

I wouldn't want my kid to do it early as I would worry about them being ready for college.

Also for most kids in the AP track the associates is essentially worthless as it's in general studies or something like that and they are going on to college to get a bachelors. But it can help tremendously in getting many basics out of the way and reducing the cost of college.
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My wife runs one of the private schools n your list. This is her third year there. Enrollment has grown about 40% since she started, mostly because she is awesome. They had a float n the parade for the first time this year because it was something they wanted to do, not because they are a new school.

She was in Waco ISD for two years before that. Lots of people trying but those schools are a disaster.
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Booray said:

My wife runs one of the private schools n your list. This is her third year there. Enrollment has grown about 40% since she started, mostly because she is awesome. They had a float n the parade for the first time this year because it was something they wanted to do, not because they are a new school.

She was in Waco ISD for two years before that. Lots of people trying but those schools are a disaster.
She is awesome!
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He was an idiot for smoking pot but he was doing good things in the district before that.

Met him once. He came to Columbus Avenue and spoke at the service. Arrived with a posse of female administrators in tow (4 at least). Gave a talk about how we all had to pull together to make things better.

In the NFL the drug rules are not about drugs, they are an intelligence test. If your not bright enough to avoid being caught you're likely not smart enough to play. Ditto here.

And his accomplishments seemed never to amount to more than rhetoric, but he was plenty good at that.

Illigitimus non carborundum
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CorsicanaBear said:

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He was an idiot for smoking pot but he was doing good things in the district before that.

Met him once. He came to Columbus Avenue and spoke at the service. Arrived with a posse of female administrators in tow (4 at least). Gave a talk about how we all had to pull together to make things better.

In the NFL the drug rules are not about drugs, they are an intelligence test. If your not bright enough to avoid being caught you're likely not smart enough to play. Ditto here.

And his accomplishments seemed never to amount to more than rhetoric, but he was plenty good at that.


Does the Waco school board have some sort of secret requirement of their superintendents that they must all travel with a group of staffers? The last 3 and current one all seem to have done it/do it.
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Wife is a WISD teacher who was honored last night by the new superintendent as the Teacher of the Year at her school. Her school is one where the parents don't speak English, but the school had been excelling at the STAAR test.

Waco schools are fine. The test scores at her school proves it.
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Live Oak seems to be putting some kids in some great schools. How strict are they on their religious policies? Would we be looked down upon in admissions if we don't have a church, but we don't mind their beliefs being taught to our kids?
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Education Friends,

Per article in the DMN since 1970 only 1 in 10 new residents that have moved into the Dallas ISD boundaries have opted to send their kids to the DISD schools. I doubt if the WISD track record is quite that bad however they have wasted a tremendous amount of money building and then closing high schools. Jefferson Moore, Waco High on N19th and old/new University High schools are all tributes to the fiscal stupidity.

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Like Oak is 16 years old. The parking that is sold to tourists belongs to FBC Waco, not the school. Live Oak is definitely a Christian school but I don't believe it has a faith requirement for students. The classical education model is a very big emphasis there. It's a great small school with a lot of people who really care about the students.
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3rd String Kicker said:

Like Oak is 16 years old. The parking that is sold to tourists belongs to FBC Waco, not the school. Live Oak is definitely a Christian school but I don't believe it has a faith requirement for students. The classical education model is a very big emphasis there. It's a great small school with a lot of people who really care about the students.
True the church owns the lots but they also run the school so I am sure some of the money made from parking goes towards the school. Especially judging by how many buildings have been bought and upgraded over the years.
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BaylorHistory said:

Live Oak seems to be putting some kids in some great schools. How strict are they on their religious policies? Would we be looked down upon in admissions if we don't have a church, but we don't mind their beliefs being taught to our kids?
The one student I know there is sorta Greek Orthodox.
Jackson Bear
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Pea Weevil said:

Education Friends,

Per article in the DMN since 1970 only 1 in 10 new residents that have moved into the Dallas ISD boundaries have opted to send their kids to the DISD schools. I doubt if the WISD track record is quite that bad however they have wasted a tremendous amount of money building and then closing high schools. Jefferson Moore, Waco High on N19th and old/new University High schools are all tributes to the fiscal stupidity.

Pea Weevil
Jefferson Moore was planned and built before the desegregation lawsuit in 1970. Is has always been successfully used as consolidation happened. It has been several schools, but always as a replacement for older ones that were closed. Old Waco High on N. 19th replaced a building built around WWI. New University High is a palace that replaced a dilapidated building originating right after WWII. Where is there fiscal stupidity? Old building have to be replaced.
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Pea Weevil said:

Education Friends,

Per article in the DMN since 1970 only 1 in 10 new residents that have moved into the Dallas ISD boundaries have opted to send their kids to the DISD schools. I doubt if the WISD track record is quite that bad however they have wasted a tremendous amount of money building and then closing high schools. Jefferson Moore, Waco High on N19th and old/new University High schools are all tributes to the fiscal stupidity.

Pea Weevil
I would like to know how any of the Waco schools listed are a tribute to fiscal stupidity.

The old University high school was falling apart, old, too small, full of asbestos, etc.

While the new one does have parts of it that are common in schools built in the last 20 years that are unnecessary (huge foyer, tall ceilings, fancy entrance, etc.) it was needed.

Jefferson Moore was closed as a separate high school but the building has been used since then as various other campuses. So I don't see how that was a waste.

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robinsonbear said:

3rd String Kicker said:

Like Oak is 16 years old. The parking that is sold to tourists belongs to FBC Waco, not the school. Live Oak is definitely a Christian school but I don't believe it has a faith requirement for students. The classical education model is a very big emphasis there. It's a great small school with a lot of people who really care about the students.
True the church owns the lots but they also run the school so I am sure some of the money made from parking goes towards the school. Especially judging by how many buildings have been bought and upgraded over the years.

The parking revenue is shared by the church and the school. The church doesn't run the school. It is an independent organization, although certainly there are people who are involved in both. The buildings have been primarily funded through capital campaigns with donors and long-term debt.
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Thank you for recognizing this!
Baylor Pride
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Any ideas when Waco High will get a new campus and facilities? The current school must be 40yo +/-.
Baylor Alum - Class of '99
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Baylor Pride said:

Any ideas when Waco High will get a new campus and facilities? The current school must be 40yo +/-.
Nearly 60, the main buildings opened as Richfield HS in 1962.
Jackson Bear
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Baylor Pride said:

Any ideas when Waco High will get a new campus and facilities? The current school must be 40yo +/-.
The fairgrounds are being redone and expanded with new buildings and part of the bond issue was an agreement for WISD to give up Paul Tyson field and a practice field and would receive the land where Lake Air Little League is now (LALL gets in fields around the pee wee football field). Word is a new Waco High will go there in a few years. There are currently ongoing discussions in the new superintendent's office on this.
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