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Than that had in the 1st half. Hilarious.

No-3, No-D, No-W

This team is pitiful defensively

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This team is pitiful defensively

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Hopefully this game will be a wake up call for the home stretch of our regular season. I love Scott Drew, but we were simply out coached on this day. A tale of two halves.

We've been pathetic defensively virtually all season. That's not likely to change. Just have to hope the teams we play in the dance are ice cold from the field

Painful loss for sure. That said, all you do is complain. What a terrible fan

That's not complaining that's reality. We're really bad defensively. Staying the obvious doesn't make me a terrible fan

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We've been pathetic defensively virtually all season. That's not likely to change. Just have to hope the teams we play in the dance are ice cold from the field

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I don't think that's our only hope. Our offense gives us a chance against most opponents, even good ones.

What we have to hope is that we don't have a cold stretch that puts us down double digits because we're not good enough defensively to stack stops.

Look at the stats … they had 3 more field goals than us ,,,, we had 4 more 3's than Kansas but they have 27 free throws … F the big 12 protecting Self and Jayhawks

It's conference play where a home court advantage is huge. Get to the NCAA's and with few exceptions every game is a neutral site. I like our young team in a neutral site vs Allen or Moody. The '21 team could handle any situation.

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IowaBear said:

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We've been pathetic defensively virtually all season. That's not likely to change. Just have to hope the teams we play in the dance are ice cold from the field

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I don't think that's our only hope. Our offense gives us a chance against most opponents, even good ones.

What we have to hope is that we don't have a cold stretch that puts us down double digits because we're not good enough defensively to stack stops.

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Statistically, Baylor's defense is so bad it is ~50% worse relative to the competition than the worst national champion in history.

With EJ in full time and not in foul trouble, we have a chance. But a limited minutes EJ returning to form who is foul prone and also baited into fouls, the team can't get it done defensively--not even close. EJ is plugging a big hole in a ship that keeps taking on water.

Dude Look at the stat sheet ….. net difference is we're plus 6 pts on floor points ,, then u factor in the zebra points …. Big 12 is disgusting,, dine even try and hide the Self bias,,,,

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IowaBear said:

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We've been pathetic defensively virtually all season. That's not likely to change. Just have to hope the teams we play in the dance are ice cold from the field

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I don't think that's our only hope. Our offense gives us a chance against most opponents, even good ones.

What we have to hope is that we don't have a cold stretch that puts us down double digits because we're not good enough defensively to stack stops.

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Statistically, Baylor's defense is so bad it is ~50% worse relative to the competition than the worst national champion in history.

With EJ in full time and not in foul trouble, we have a chance. But a limited minutes EJ returning to form who is foul prone and also baited into fouls, the team can't get it done defensively--not even close. EJ is plugging a big hole in a ship that keeps taking on water.

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Jon is a shell of himself on the defensive end right now. He was as bad as Thamba today.

I love his leadership and effort, but he's no better equipped to stay with quick bigs or help on switches than Flo is in his current state.

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Dude Look at the stat sheet ….. net difference is we're plus 6 pts on floor points ,, then u factor in the zebra points …. Big 12 is disgusting,, dine even try and hide the Self bias,,,,

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Did you even watch the second half? That loss had nothing to do with officiating.

The officiating was a factor in the game. I'm not blaming the loss on Higgins, et al but they certainly favored the home team. The fouls were completely lopsided in their favor & some of those were questionable, not to mention Jayhawks fouls not called. That's the reality of playing in Lawrence. It seems like there is some of that every year.

The officials m didn't cost us the game. We had far too many mistakes, especially a lack of defense in the second half. However, we cannot ignore them altogether.

We can go two ways.

One: Be angry (can't say the word I want to) and come out Tuesday on fire, and sustain that the rest of the season wherever it takes us.

Two: Doubt ourselves and wither on the vine.

Today I saw fear and passivity. No one wanted to get in the grill of a Kansas player and maybe get a technical or worse. Too many Mr. Nice guys. No Davion Mitchell sighting.

This debacle can be a turning point. Up or down.

If I were the head coach I would scald their backsides and challenge them to show some….(can't say it again on a Baylor board)……"guts". You know what I mean.

The game Tuesday, in another hostile environment, will tell a lot about this team.

Wow who is worse Baylor women or men.......

Blunt but a lot here that I cannot disasters with. I still believe we can win out , although we may very well stop one of the next two games. We also cdd as n gave a decent run in both post season tournaments. I don't expect our guys will play in Houston.

Scott Drew usually doesn't get out coached in this phase of his career. Today was an exception.

I agree with you, particularly on the physicality part. Today's team simply didn't seem to care. The team played like they were afraid. Pretty disgusting. Last year, Baylor at least had an enforcer in Sochan. If Baylor lost last year, at least they lost "throwing punches" with Sochan making it more miserable for the other team. I would have loved it these guys showed any sort of fight in the 2nd half, and by "fight" I mean perhaps committing some very hard to illegal fouls just for the hell of it. If you lose by 15, you may as well make the other team more miserable in the process. This team didn't give a rat's ass, and this is not something Drew will be able to correct. You can't teach heart. When I was a kid, I loved the Houston Oilers, particularly in the old Jerry Glanville House of Pain Days. Yes, I'm dating myself. But the thing with that team was that they would typically go a respectful 9-7 on the season, and in those 7 losses, you'd better believe they made the other team very uncomfortable in the win. If they were getting beat, then they would hit even harder, and if a penalty resulted, so be it. This Baylor team decided that when the tough got going, they would do nothing.

Women. MBB is a flawed, but still top 20 team.

I had already counted this as a loss before the game and even a blow out inKansad. But when we held a 13 point Lead at the half I started to think we might have a chance. Inexplicable how he fall apart so quickly to start the half the. Lose by 18. This team has some mental issues for sure.

Definitely the women. This HC ain't no Mulkey.

Not at all surprised by the result, going in pretty sure we wouldn't sweep Kansas on their home floor. There is a wide range of outcomes for this team, we could get knocked out in the round of 32 or we could win it all. Our tournament chances will depend on matchups moreso than seeding. Our guards are bad defenders and struggle with guards who can penetrate and get down hill, and we struggle with teams who have athletic fours and fives like Kansas and TCU. I was watching a replay of our national title game and it's shocking how much weight Flo has gained since that game (not the good kind of weight). That game also reminded me of how special EJ was defensively with his elite lateral agility and ability to switch and guard positions 1-5. Now 2 seasons removed, both of those guys are shells of their former selves, albeit for vastly different reasons. Yesterday Bridges was passive and played like he did in pre-conference, and Lohner continues to regress in his limited minutes. Next season we need to hit the transfer portal for an athletic, defensive-minded SF/PF to rotate in with Bridges. Lohner doesn't look like big 12 material he needs to be sitting over there with Turner and Loveday. Feel pretty good at center next season with EJ another year removed from his injury and Josh O after an offseason of development. Our perimeter D will improve dramatically with the addition of Ja'Kobe Walter who will remind you of a bigger Davion on the defensive end.

Yes. I might add that the guard's lack of D is not a result of lack of effort. I guess not everyone will be like Davion.

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I had already counted this as a loss before the game and even a blow out inKansad. But when we held a 13 point Lead at the half I started to think we might have a chance. Inexplicable how he fall apart so quickly to start the half the. Lose by 18. This team has some mental issues for sure.

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Like everybody, I was pumped with the 13 point lead at halftime, but I also knew the game was a long, long way from over, and as I posted before the start of the second half, the odds were that our guards - talented as they are - wouldn't be able to sustain the near flawless play on the offensive end and we better get scoring help from elsewhere in the 2nd half to be able to hold on for a "W". Among everything else that happened in the disaster that ensued, that of course didn't happen, and the tone was set right off the bat with Bridges missing one of the easiest layup attempts he's ever going to get, and Flo bricking 2 FTs shortly thereafter. And yes, there was also the "Higgins crew factor" that had already established in the first half that we weren't going to be allowed to play aggressive interior defense. I knew we could still very well lose the game at halftime, but the complete meltdown and lack of mental toughness was a still a surprise to me and a huge disappointment.

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This. My issue isn't that we lost. It's how we lost.

That second half was as soft and lazy an effort as I've ever seen from a Scott Drew-coached team, and that's really disappointing this time of year. It was basically a flashback to the Virginia, Marquette and Iowa State games -- a period I thought we were past as a team.