11. UConn
12. Kansas State
13. Virginia
14. Miami
15. Xavier
16. Saint Mary's
17. Tennessee
18. Texas A&M
19. Indiana
20. San Diego State
21. Duke
22. TCU
23. Kentucky
24. Creighton
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I fear that Iowa State debacle is going to be the final nail that costs us a 2 seed.

Absolutely have to win Thursday to get back to a 2. Good chance that a couple of teams above us get upset. Obviously a win Thursday and Friday would secure a 2. I just don't know if this team has the ability to defend well enough. If our guards can penetrate on Iowa State we have a chance. I feel like Adam, Keyonte, and Dale; to a certain extent, can do that, but they have to be aggressive from the start and not let up.

Top 10 teams' records against other Top 10 teams:

Baylor 4-3
UT 3-2
KU 2-2
Purdue 1-0
Marquette 1-0
Bama 1-1
Zona 1-1
UCLA 1-2
Gonzaga 1-3
UH 0-1

Have no idea how they are still ranked in the top 10 after the past few weeks of games. If they lose to ISU again they should be no higher than a 5 seed.

EasyE said:

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Have no idea how they are still ranked in the top 10 after the past few weeks of games. If they lose to ISU again they should be no higher than a 5 seed.

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Thatsnfunny

11. UConn
12. Kansas State
13. Virginia

We could fall to a 4-seed if these teams all have deep conference tournament runs and bump us. It hurts bad that we've already lost to two of them.

I think some are new to the tournament selection/seeding

Conference tournaments results DONT, matter as much as some of y'all think they do

I used to think the same thing until I started paying attention to the results, the committee values the whole body of work so everyone please calm down

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Absolutely have to win Thursday to get back to a 2. Good chance that a couple of teams above us get upset. Obviously a win Thursday and Friday would secure a 2. I just don't know if this team has the ability to defend well enough. If our guards can penetrate on Iowa State we have a chance. I feel like Adam, Keyonte, and Dale; to a certain extent, can do that, but they have to be aggressive from the start and not let up.

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Can we beat Kansas in KC? If we win Thursday, we will almost certainly play them on Friday.

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Strange how this board gives very little value to these arguments when speaking about the football and the SEC.

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Everyone believes that the SEC is the strongest football conference and has been for a while. But...
1. Many of them schedule 4 non-conference games against lesser opponents, even with one of them being a P5 opponent, giving them a 4-0 record before playing in conference games.
2. Historically, they are fairly average during bowl season. A one-game sample to be sure, but it doesn't bode well when the bottom 2/3 of the conference don't perform well in bowls.
3. The top of the SEC, whether it's Georgia or Bama or LSU in a given year, is almost always miles ahead of any other team, the bulk of the conference is just pretty good, compared to this season's Big 12 basketball, which would have all 10 teams in the tournament if were based on NET rankings. Our worst team destroyed Alabama this year.

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Completely agree with your statements. To say the least, this is one of the strangest college basketball seasons seen in a while. The tournament will play judge on if the current rankings hold up. Will a Big 12 team put a beat down on a Houston in the final? Hope so.

Folks talk about the "eye test" a lot… watching the incredible inconsistency of the regular season with our Bears makes me think we will win a few but, get taken down in an overwhelming defeat. I hope Drew pulls and keeps them together.

Maybe i spend too much time in highlight world where you only see every shot taken go in. Then watch a live game only to witness 7 straight bricks making wonder how your team ever wins at all… yet, their shooting pct is still at least on par with everyone else. Maybe i also watch too much NBA and expect too much from college kids.

It's quite possible that a Cinderella will take down Houston in the first or second game. We may not have to play them this season.

This could easily be another year like 2014, where a 1 seed lost in each of the 2nd round (Wichita St, not unlike UH this year with the best record in the country but totally untested), Sweet 16 (UVA), Elite 8 (Arizona) and Semis (Florida), and you ended up with a 7 seed UConn beating an 8 seed Kentucky in the finals

Heisman25g said:

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I think some are new to the tournament selection/seeding

Conference tournaments results DONT, matter as much as some of y'all think they do

I used to think the same thing until I started paying attention to the results, the committee values the whole body of work so everyone please calm down

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While maybe true, however, its just more chances to WIN. And this time of year you need to get hot and WIN, WIN, WIN.

Because this year (and 2022 to be fair) are weak at the top. But there are a ton of solid to good teams. The big 12 has no bad teams.. they also don't have any great ones but neither does anyone else.

I don't love Kenpom but it seems to resonate with everyone else. Take out the teams with relatively weak comp (Gonzaga, Hou, St Mary's) or discount those teams by appox 3 to 4 points. Look over the last 10 years and then compare that to 22' and 23'. The top rated team is significantly lower than every other year. Since they are using the same standard.. it does give some indication of the weakness.

So a team like Bu can remain highly rated even when losing multiple games late in the year.

KSU 12 Baylor 10. KSU 2-0 against BU and has a better record in conference.

Heisman25g said:

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I think some are new to the tournament selection/seeding

Conference tournaments results DONT, matter as much as some of y'all think they do

I used to think the same thing until I started paying attention to the results, the committee values the whole body of work so everyone please calm down

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Yup. CBS even had a special where they walked through the daily scheduled from today through Sun, outlining what the selection committee does each day. It showed the seedings in concept were pretty much done by Thursday, subject to some last second shuffling of a few seeds where the conference tournament may be the separator for a couple of teams. But basically it showed the major conference tournaments didn't really impact the majority of teams or seedings. And all of the small conference auto qualifiers that have been going on since last week are basically done by Thursday and they know where those are already seeded as well.

I think our seed could be influenced more with our slide, I think if we lose Thursday we would be 3 and 3 in our last six. Two of those were not close. I think it's more pronounced with the fact that we had a 11 out of 13 win streak. Agree that the conf tourneys mean less, but if we get blown out like the last game, I could definitely see it costing us a seed or two. Right now we are 2 or 3 depending on whose bracket you look at. Get beat badly Thursday and a 4 seed is certainly possible.

If we lose Thursday we drop to a 3 seed. It's that simple. Really need a win Thursday. After that it's gravy just take care of Thursday and lock in a 2 seed in the dance

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KSU 12 Baylor 10. KSU 2-0 against BU and has a better record in conference.

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And a much worse non-conference schedule. Baylor has wins over UCLA and Gonzaga. Pretty sure nobody KSU played outside the conference is going to the tournament.

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EasyE said:

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KSU 12 Baylor 10. KSU 2-0 against BU and has a better record in conference.

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And a much worse non-conference schedule. Baylor has wins over UCLA and Gonzaga. Pretty sure nobody KSU played outside the conference is going to the tournament.

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KSt's P5/midmajor noncon opponents were Cal (3-28 and last in Pac12), Nevada (22-9, 3rd in WAC), LSU (last in SEC), Butler (9th in Big East), WichitaSt (6th in AAC), Nebraska (11th in B1G) and Florida (8th in SEC). Of those only Nevada finished the regular season more than 2 games over .500.

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EasyE said:

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Have no idea how they are still ranked in the top 10 after the past few weeks of games. If they lose to ISU again they should be no higher than a 5 seed.

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Thatsnfunny

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Trolls gonna troll

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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EasyE said:

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KSU 12 Baylor 10. KSU 2-0 against BU and has a better record in conference.

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And a much worse non-conference schedule. Baylor has wins over UCLA and Gonzaga. Pretty sure nobody KSU played outside the conference is going to the tournament.

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KSt's P5/midmajor noncon opponents were Cal (3-28 and last in Pac12), Nevada (22-9, 3rd in WAC), LSU (last in SEC), Butler (9th in Big East), WichitaSt (6th in AAC), Nebraska (11th in B1G) and Florida (8th in SEC). Of those only Nevada finished the regular season more than 2 games over .500.

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Yep.

I'm not saying we're better than KSU. They beat us on the court twice. But I'm giving the rationale of the people doing the rankings and selecting. Plus, we are now in that rare air of getting the benefit of the doubt because of recent success.

Simple fact is we're going to be a 2 or a 3. Win Thursday, we're a 2. Lose Thursday and we're a 3.

Despite all that, we're not playing well, and I can see a scenario, however rare, where we go 0-2 in our next two games. I think we're good enough to get to the Sweet Sixteen and then see how the matchups fall. Regardless, this is yet another year where we are one of the big dogs playing in a big dog conference and we matter in college basketball and will most likely for at least the next two years and longer. In a sport that decides its champion on a single elimination scenario, I'll take it. If you had told me in college what our program would be like now, I'd have laughed you out of the room.

I think that's why they say they have the field seeded, for the most part, by Thursday. Most of the line changers from 3rd to 4th, 5th to 6th, 8th to 7th, 3rd to 2nd all happen with results in the first rounds (maybe 2) of the conference tourneys, which are Wednesday and Thursday in most cases.

Agree with the others, our seeding basically comes down to Thursday. I don't think what we do Friday or Saturday changes anything.

Head to head always trumps these stats, ESPECIALLY when they have played twice and swept both games and have a better in conference record. As a Baylor alum, I wish this wasn't the case, but that is the reality.

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Head to head always trumps these stats, ESPECIALLY when they have played twice and swept both games and have a better in conference record. As a Baylor alum, I wish this wasn't the case, but that is the reality.

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Because Head to head is why we are ranked ahead of UCLA and Gonzaga. Or not.

It seems to me, after listening to nine (9) post game interviews after nine (9) losses, that our Bears lack a leader / or leaders with that competitive do or die, win at any cost attitude like I saw in Davion, Jared and Macio (and like we saw in Terrel Bernard & Abram Smith).

Jon has a lot of heart and may be that leader, but the humiliating loss, "in our house" to ISU (which had lost 4 straight and dismissed a starting senior player who scored 18 the previous BU-ISU contest) appears to point to a leadership problem--and, unlike KU and KSU, we don't seem to have that type of confidence that strong leadership provides...............................

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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It's quite possible that a Cinderella will take down Houston in the first or second game. We may not have to play them this season.

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Houston ain't losing to a 16 seed.

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Probably not. They are more likely to lose in the next game or Sweet 16. Then again, they very would get to the Final Four again. They are more likely to get there than Baylor.

Some "experts" have us as a 3 seed now, we are 10 in the polls which technically puts as a 3 as well. If we drop 3-4 spots, a 4 is possible, that's all I was saying. Not saying it is going to happen.

EasyE said:

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Head to head always trumps these stats, ESPECIALLY when they have played twice and swept both games and have a better in conference record. As a Baylor alum, I wish this wasn't the case, but that is the reality.

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Are you already fogeteing how tcu won a big 12 "title" by finishing 2nd? These are new rules. Girls are girls. Boys are girls. Yadda