bear2be2 said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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IowaBear said:

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You're as soft as this years Bear squad, paper thin! Not going to flame away. As far as Loveday, Turner, Lohner. Every team everywhere has benchwarmers so they aren't "sucking up scholarships" Drew's rotations are always 8 deep at most by this time of year so if it's not Turner and co it's going to be insert name. As far as George goes. The talents there no one should deny that. He also loafs defensively and bogs down the offense when the ball sticks in his hands. He's also good for 4-5 absolutely garbage shots a game leading to easy buckets for the opponent. And lastly thank you thinking of me on this chilly March Iowa Friday

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I don't disagree on George's flaws but my point is he's not the source of this team's issues. A lot of misplaced frustration and anger is projected toward him but our issue is we don't have defensive stalwarts like we had in years past. Can't blame Keyonte solely for our defensive shortcomings.

Fully agree Drew runs a tight rotation but bench spots I believe should be used for immediate production or redshirts / developmental guys with future upside. Unfortunately the trio of Lohner / Turner / Loveday offer neither current production nor future upside. Behind closed doors I'm sure our staff would agree they whiffed all three.

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No one player is the source of our team's issues, but George is certainly a source. He contributes heavily to many of this team's most glaring weakness -- weak, soft defense, extended periods with no or poor ball-movement, consistently bad shot selection, ill-advised and untimely turnovers, etc.

That he does so seemingly unchecked is a source of great frustration for me. I have nothing whatsoever against Key as a person, but I don't like his game. I'm ready for him to move on.

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As far as defense Cryer and Flagler are unfortunately worse on defense even despite George being out of place and not focused sometimes

jrock42 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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IowaBear said:

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You're as soft as this years Bear squad, paper thin! Not going to flame away. As far as Loveday, Turner, Lohner. Every team everywhere has benchwarmers so they aren't "sucking up scholarships" Drew's rotations are always 8 deep at most by this time of year so if it's not Turner and co it's going to be insert name. As far as George goes. The talents there no one should deny that. He also loafs defensively and bogs down the offense when the ball sticks in his hands. He's also good for 4-5 absolutely garbage shots a game leading to easy buckets for the opponent. And lastly thank you thinking of me on this chilly March Iowa Friday

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I don't disagree on George's flaws but my point is he's not the source of this team's issues. A lot of misplaced frustration and anger is projected toward him but our issue is we don't have defensive stalwarts like we had in years past. Can't blame Keyonte solely for our defensive shortcomings.

Fully agree Drew runs a tight rotation but bench spots I believe should be used for immediate production or redshirts / developmental guys with future upside. Unfortunately the trio of Lohner / Turner / Loveday offer neither current production nor future upside. Behind closed doors I'm sure our staff would agree they whiffed all three.

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No one player is the source of our team's issues, but George is certainly a source. He contributes heavily to many of this team's most glaring weakness -- weak, soft defense, extended periods with no or poor ball-movement, consistently bad shot selection, ill-advised and untimely turnovers, etc.

That he does so seemingly unchecked is a source of great frustration for me. I have nothing whatsoever against Key as a person, but I don't like his game. I'm ready for him to move on.

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As far as defense Cryer and Flagler are unfortunately worse on defense even despite George being out of place and not focused sometimes

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Cryer is, Flagler isn't. Flager has been a contributing member of good defensive teams in the past. He's not a plus defender by any stretch, but he's not a deficient one. Cryer and George are deficient, often lost defenders. Putting those two on the floor together is the recipe for a sub-100 defensive efficiency.

bear2be2 said:

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jrock42 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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IowaBear said:

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You're as soft as this years Bear squad, paper thin! Not going to flame away. As far as Loveday, Turner, Lohner. Every team everywhere has benchwarmers so they aren't "sucking up scholarships" Drew's rotations are always 8 deep at most by this time of year so if it's not Turner and co it's going to be insert name. As far as George goes. The talents there no one should deny that. He also loafs defensively and bogs down the offense when the ball sticks in his hands. He's also good for 4-5 absolutely garbage shots a game leading to easy buckets for the opponent. And lastly thank you thinking of me on this chilly March Iowa Friday

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I don't disagree on George's flaws but my point is he's not the source of this team's issues. A lot of misplaced frustration and anger is projected toward him but our issue is we don't have defensive stalwarts like we had in years past. Can't blame Keyonte solely for our defensive shortcomings.

Fully agree Drew runs a tight rotation but bench spots I believe should be used for immediate production or redshirts / developmental guys with future upside. Unfortunately the trio of Lohner / Turner / Loveday offer neither current production nor future upside. Behind closed doors I'm sure our staff would agree they whiffed all three.

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No one player is the source of our team's issues, but George is certainly a source. He contributes heavily to many of this team's most glaring weakness -- weak, soft defense, extended periods with no or poor ball-movement, consistently bad shot selection, ill-advised and untimely turnovers, etc.

That he does so seemingly unchecked is a source of great frustration for me. I have nothing whatsoever against Key as a person, but I don't like his game. I'm ready for him to move on.

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As far as defense Cryer and Flagler are unfortunately worse on defense even despite George being out of place and not focused sometimes

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Cryer is, Flagler isn't. Flager has been a contributing member of good defensive teams in the past. He's not a plus defender by any stretch, but he's not a deficient one. Cryer and George are deficient, often lost defenders. Putting those two on the floor together is the recipe for a sub-100 defensive efficiency.

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I would agree Flagler played with other good defensive players but he was the weakest link. Sure eye test with the effort and his positioning it seems like you could call him a better defensive player but he's smaller, doesn't rebound as well, and efficiency stats say otherwise. I mean if we had good defensive players I would rather pair Flagler with them then George but we don't. Cryer and Flagler together I think is a worse defensive pairing unless we are playing a smaller team because we switch on everything.

jrock42 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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jrock42 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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IowaBear said:

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You're as soft as this years Bear squad, paper thin! Not going to flame away. As far as Loveday, Turner, Lohner. Every team everywhere has benchwarmers so they aren't "sucking up scholarships" Drew's rotations are always 8 deep at most by this time of year so if it's not Turner and co it's going to be insert name. As far as George goes. The talents there no one should deny that. He also loafs defensively and bogs down the offense when the ball sticks in his hands. He's also good for 4-5 absolutely garbage shots a game leading to easy buckets for the opponent. And lastly thank you thinking of me on this chilly March Iowa Friday

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I don't disagree on George's flaws but my point is he's not the source of this team's issues. A lot of misplaced frustration and anger is projected toward him but our issue is we don't have defensive stalwarts like we had in years past. Can't blame Keyonte solely for our defensive shortcomings.

Fully agree Drew runs a tight rotation but bench spots I believe should be used for immediate production or redshirts / developmental guys with future upside. Unfortunately the trio of Lohner / Turner / Loveday offer neither current production nor future upside. Behind closed doors I'm sure our staff would agree they whiffed all three.

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No one player is the source of our team's issues, but George is certainly a source. He contributes heavily to many of this team's most glaring weakness -- weak, soft defense, extended periods with no or poor ball-movement, consistently bad shot selection, ill-advised and untimely turnovers, etc.

That he does so seemingly unchecked is a source of great frustration for me. I have nothing whatsoever against Key as a person, but I don't like his game. I'm ready for him to move on.

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As far as defense Cryer and Flagler are unfortunately worse on defense even despite George being out of place and not focused sometimes

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Cryer is, Flagler isn't. Flager has been a contributing member of good defensive teams in the past. He's not a plus defender by any stretch, but he's not a deficient one. Cryer and George are deficient, often lost defenders. Putting those two on the floor together is the recipe for a sub-100 defensive efficiency.

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I would agree Flagler played with other good defensive players but he was the weakest link. Sure eye test with the effort and his positioning it seems like you could call him a better defensive player but he's smaller, doesn't rebound as well, and efficiency stats say otherwise. I mean if we had good defensive players I would rather pair Flagler with them then George but we don't. Cryer and Flagler together I think is a worse defensive pairing unless we are playing a smaller team because we switch on everything.

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We'll just have to agree to disagree. I haven't seen Flagler get blown by or get lost off the ball the way George consistently does. Flagler has his own issues, most of them physical, but he's not lost on that end of the floor. George and Cryer often are.

Defensive coaching strategy made Flagler look like a worse defender than he is this year. Adam is okay (not great, but definitely serviceable) as an on-ball defender but too often in switches he was left on much taller 3's, 4's and 5's, who simply were too physically dominant for him. No one wants to hear it, but I put some of that on the coaching staff.

Love too! He might be the worst of the four on the defensive end... maybe better than George.

bear2be2 said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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IowaBear said:

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You're as soft as this years Bear squad, paper thin! Not going to flame away. As far as Loveday, Turner, Lohner. Every team everywhere has benchwarmers so they aren't "sucking up scholarships" Drew's rotations are always 8 deep at most by this time of year so if it's not Turner and co it's going to be insert name. As far as George goes. The talents there no one should deny that. He also loafs defensively and bogs down the offense when the ball sticks in his hands. He's also good for 4-5 absolutely garbage shots a game leading to easy buckets for the opponent. And lastly thank you thinking of me on this chilly March Iowa Friday

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I don't disagree on George's flaws but my point is he's not the source of this team's issues. A lot of misplaced frustration and anger is projected toward him but our issue is we don't have defensive stalwarts like we had in years past. Can't blame Keyonte solely for our defensive shortcomings.

Fully agree Drew runs a tight rotation but bench spots I believe should be used for immediate production or redshirts / developmental guys with future upside. Unfortunately the trio of Lohner / Turner / Loveday offer neither current production nor future upside. Behind closed doors I'm sure our staff would agree they whiffed all three.

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No one player is the source of our team's issues, but George is certainly a source. He contributes heavily to many of this team's most glaring weakness -- weak, soft defense, extended periods with no or poor ball-movement, consistently bad shot selection, ill-advised and untimely turnovers, etc.

That he does so seemingly unchecked is a source of great frustration for me. I have nothing whatsoever against Key as a person, but I don't like his game. I'm ready for him to move on.

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You have made that clear over and over again LOL. You will get your wish sooner than later. Hopefully in 4+ games instead of 1 or 2.

I think Flagler is okay but limited. Think he is the best of the three.

George has better physical tools but is often caught flat footed and shows consistent mental lapses. I think there is some conditioning / saving energy for offense going on as well.

Thought the coaches would be able to improve it but it hasn't happened. They just haven't been able to keep the team motivated on that end for whatever reason. I agree on Lj and I'll just leave that there

Are there health issues with JTT and Josh….I need an answer to that question before I criticize.

The defensive deficiencies are not new. But the collapse of rebounding is new.

For what it's worth our team looks tired and the extra rest might be what we need.

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82, we've gone over this here. We are talking about the current roster. Sochan was too good a prospect so we only got one year instead of the two we expected. Bad break. I agree those guys were good.

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Who expected Sochan for two years? From the very beginning both he & Brown were talked about as a one & done. At least that's how I remember it. I know some of us hoped he might stay but as his draft prospects remained high (or even improved) it was clear that this was a dream.

.@BaylorMBB assistant @CoachJJakus told me the Bears spent half their practice time since Thursday's loss working on rebounding. Scott Drew vowed to make it a priority after being outrebounded 44-17 by the Cyclones. The team used a contraption on the rim to ensure missed shots.

— Matt Mosley (@mattmosley) March 15, 2023

Crawfoso1973 said:

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.@BaylorMBB assistant @CoachJJakus told me the Bears spent half their practice time since Thursday's loss working on rebounding. Scott Drew vowed to make it a priority after being outrebounded 44-17 by the Cyclones. The team used a contraption on the rim to ensure missed shots.

— Matt Mosley (@mattmosley) March 15, 2023

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Is that contraption called "our mid-second half offense?"

Thank you. I'll be here all week.

I hope they spent the other half of practice on D, learning how to handle switches. If they didn't, the probability of Creighton (assuming they win) being another Iowa St for us (assuming we win) is quite high.

Good they're doing the basics. I was pushing for that early in the year. Might seem like a waste of time but not with this team. Thought they should practice strictly ball security and crisp passing for. Portion of practice.

Unfortunately you can't teach fire if they've continued to try and it just hasn't shown. Seems like that's a part of the problem. To get worked against a team that swept you is wild. Hope they prove everyone wrong and come out swinging